Respect for the defense

[Had Enough 2057]

Go back and watch the tape.  Casey missed reads really the whole game but especially on third down plays the entire second half.  We desperately need to get our ends involved.  Looks to me as some of this is due to QB reads but a major part is with our  offensive schemes.

I watched it tonight. It’s pretty much everybody on occasion. Our backs played a part in at least two sacks. A dude on the Oline who’s played very little was responsible for one. No idea why he’s in there in crunch time of the 4th.

Ball distribution needs work. Keilan with only 1 touch in the final 58 minutes isn’t acceptable. Some of that is the play calling and some the QB decision making. We do force it to Worthy too much. Roschon had 2 rushes for 2 first downs yet he’s on the sideline in the most critical possession on short yardage. Our problems aren’t all on the Oline.

Then there’s the defense. PK is too passive much of the time but damned if he doesn’t put a blitzer in perfect position on occasion only to see them completely whiff. We had a couple dudes play very little yet were on the field in the 4th. And Cook needs to be on the field pretty much all the time.

We just need to win even if it’s ugly. Somebody make a play.

[dcar00 14035]

6 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

 

 

I watched it tonight. It’s pretty much everybody on occasion. Our backs played a part in at least two sacks. A dude on the Oline who’s played very little was responsible for one. No idea why he’s in there in crunch time of the 4th.

Ball distribution needs work. Keilan with only 1 touch in the final 58 minutes isn’t acceptable. Some of that is the play calling and some the QB decision making. We do force it to Worthy too much. Roschon had 2 rushes for 2 first downs yet he’s on the sideline in the most critical possession on short yardage. Our problems aren’t all on the Oline.

Then there’s the defense. PK is too passive much of the time but damned if he doesn’t put a blitzer in perfect position on occasion only to see them completely whiff. We had a couple dudes play very little yet were on the field in the 4th. And Cook needs to be on the field pretty much all the time.

We just need to win even if it’s ugly. Somebody make a play.

 

 

this is where "feed the studs" backfires.

[dcar00 14035]

9 hours ago, closetojumping said:

What happened? Fine, I'll tell you what happened.

Almost 12 years ago, on January 7th, 2010, Greg Davis called a running play with our star QB into the fucking teeth of an NFL-laden Alabama defensive line. Said QB, Colt McCoy, was then injured, pulled from the game, and Gale Gilbert passed his karmic rape gene on down to his child and Texas football has been getting buttfucked in public against its will from that moment forward. 

first the earth cooled, and then the dinosaurs came but they got too big and fat and turned into oil....

[Had Enough 2057]

you still haven't watched the post game presser huh?

No. I’ll do my best to work it in this week for you.

I did watch the game. Looks to be a little bit of everything. Klatt did reference an OSU adjustment in the 2nd half having an impact. It’s not one thing or one unit that cost us the game.

[dcar00 14035]

I have no problem saying the O lost this game.  the D gave up the last TD because they had to.   that said PK gave up another "rashaan salaam" peformance to a RB.  he needs to go. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by dcar00

[Atticus 3922]

You guys are overreacting to stats. Every defense is fallible, shit, Alabama gave up 34 pts on D to aggy. The same aggy O that barely scored 10 to Colorado. Alabama is deep as hell with highly ranked guys and a well entrenched defensive scheme. 

Our guys are not even close to deep, and when you get past 2 or 3 guys, it's a lot of fingers crossed. The defense doesn't struggle to stop the run, they struggle to stay disciplined and maintain their intensity when they get tired. If they were getting beat all game, I'd say the scheme is busted and PK needs to change his philosophy or be shown the door. These guys are playing pretty damn well until the offense leaves them out to dry. Who the hell is gonna effectively play all those snaps on D? Adeoye? Broughton? Complementary football.

I wouldn't be worried about this side of the ball unless they start consistently getting gashed throughout the game.

[closetojumping 62246]

9 hours ago, Had Enough said:

 

 

I watched it tonight. It’s pretty much everybody on occasion. Our backs played a part in at least two sacks. A dude on the Oline who’s played very little was responsible for one. No idea why he’s in there in crunch time of the 4th.

Ball distribution needs work. Keilan with only 1 touch in the final 58 minutes isn’t acceptable. Some of that is the play calling and some the QB decision making. We do force it to Worthy too much. Roschon had 2 rushes for 2 first downs yet he’s on the sideline in the most critical possession on short yardage. Our problems aren’t all on the Oline.

Then there’s the defense. PK is too passive much of the time but damned if he doesn’t put a blitzer in perfect position on occasion only to see them completely whiff. We had a couple dudes play very little yet were on the field in the 4th. And Cook needs to be on the field pretty much all the time.

We just need to win even if it’s ugly. Somebody make a play.

 

 

Keilan Robinson had an off the ball injury during the second half kickoff. He limped off the field and was helped by trainers. He went into the tent for a while. He eventually resurfaced in the middle of the 4th quarter because he's a tough motherfucker, but the quickness, at least in this game, that makes him a great auxiliary choice was taken away from him and Sarkisian accordingly.

8 hours ago, Atticus said:

You guys are overreacting to stats. Every defense is fallible, shit, Alabama gave up 34 pts on D to aggy. The same aggy O that barely scored 10 to Colorado. Alabama is deep as hell with highly ranked guys and a well entrenched defensive scheme. 

Our guys are not even close to deep, and when you get past 2 or 3 guys, it's a lot of fingers crossed. The defense doesn't struggle to stop the run, they struggle to stay disciplined and maintain their intensity when they get tired. If they were getting beat all game, I'd say the scheme is busted and PK needs to change his philosophy or be shown the door. These guys are playing pretty damn well until the offense leaves them out to dry. Who the hell is gonna effectively play all those snaps on D? Adeoye? Broughton? Complementary football.

I wouldn't be worried about this side of the ball unless they start consistently getting gashed throughout the game.

You and others keep selling this "they were worn out" narrative regarding the defense for the past two games. You keep using the premise that "well, it was happening all game" as a means of supporting your thesis. You're completely wrong and you should stop peddling this tripe on this board. 

For one, they rotated players three levels deep on the depth chart at almost every position for the entire game. Okie State did nothing of the sort on offense. It was also 75 degrees. Texas stayed fresh all fucking game long. They weren't "exhausted" in the second half. That's just fucking lazy to claim and suggests a complete lack of critical evaluation skills associated to what was happening in the game. Did S&C play a role? Maybe, but it's a tertiary or quaternary issue at best.

The run defense was abused against Arkansas from play one. All game. Texas showed zero ability to read keys, get push, and make plays. 

The run defense did nothing to adjust to the QB change, which led to a focus in the RPO and delay game, against OU. The run defense failed to make a play, any play, the entire second half after OU made its adjustments. Again, Texas rotated players heavily the entire game on defense.

The run defense was nonexistent in the second half on long 2nd down and most 3rd downs against Okie State. This was not due to some ethereal conditioning issue. The defense was keying pass on multiple 2nd and 3rd down mid-long plays, which played directly into Mike Gundy's plan of doing whatever he could to cram the ball down UT's throat and not jeopardize a close loss or a win by allowing Sanders to come unglued in the passing game.

On 3rd and 9, I believe at the end of the first half, coming out of a timeout in which Gundy clearly didn't like the look Sanders was facing for a pass play, Gundy called a run play while Texas sold out on the pass. Gundy hadn't called the timeout to preserve clock. He called the timeout because of what he saw from the UT setup. He'd already watched the clock tick away while running the ball heading into that down. Gundy was content to punt it deep and bet on going into the half down 7. Instead, his back picked up the requisite 9, they were then close to field goal position, and they pushed ahead to eventually kick it. 

The same shit happened at key points in the second half, where it was obvious that Gundy was content to run it and let results play out however they needed to, meanwhile Texas is working with a 3 man front and layering the field to account for a nonexistent passing game. All this fucking idiot Kwiatkowski had to account for in the passing game was the single man read to the main receiver. Bracket that fucking guy, stay on your toes in the screen game, man up the other JAGs at receiver and shut down the motherfucking run like an a defense with a bunch of adults playing within it and coaching it. 

The issue with you idiots who "respect the defense" is that you're seeing what you choose to see:

-You're not accounting for the pedestrian nature of OSU's offense all season. Gundy is, of course. And like a good coach, he's still winning games.

-You're not accounting for the reality that Arkansas is getting straight up fucking bullied in the meat of their schedule in the second half of the games against ATM, Auburn, and Georgia.

-They sustained one drive of substance against ATM in the second half in order to kick a field goal.

-They sustained 2 drives of substance against Auburn and otherwise were stopped on downs twice, once in which they could not get the needed 4 yards on 3 plays running the ball, stopped on turnovers or punted.

-Georgia pistolwhipped them entire game in the running game, but I can grant that that's Georgia.

-Ole Miss plays defense on par with Texas, so sure, Arkansas ran for the same amount of yardage against them as they did us. The difference in that game is that when someone punches Lane Kiffin in the mouth, he counters, as opposed to Sarkisian who appears to go fetal in facets of life when the going gets tough.

If Texas comes out of this bye week with another fucking 3 man front, base defense against an opponent with a full dependency upon its ability to run offensively, Kwiatkowski should be tarred and feathered stepping off the bus back in Austin. 

The bottom line is that we've got a west coast soft coaching staff, which is a sad surprise but looks obvious in hindsight with the two guys at the top. Kwiatkowski made a career out of stopping pass first teams that never imposed their will running the ball. Bring that shit out of the Pac 12 with very little proactive thinking because the guy has a coach's room temperature IQ and "we've always done it like this" and you have what we have. It isn't conditioning.

[westexhorn 2007]

11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Keilan Robinson had an off the ball injury during the second half kickoff. He limped off the field and was helped by trainers. He went into the tent for a while. He eventually resurfaced in the middle of the 4th quarter because he's a tough motherfucker, but the quickness, at least in this game, that makes him a great auxiliary choice was taken away from him and Sarkisian accordingly.

You and others keep selling this "they were worn out" narrative regarding the defense for the past two games. You keep using the premise that "well, it was happening all game" as a means of supporting your thesis. You're completely wrong and you should stop peddling this tripe on this board. 

For one, they rotated players three levels deep on the depth chart at almost every position for the entire game. Okie State did nothing of the sort on offense. It was also 75 degrees. Texas stayed fresh all fucking game long. They weren't "exhausted" in the second half. That's just fucking lazy to claim and suggests a complete lack of critical evaluation skills associated to what was happening in the game. Did S&C play a role? Maybe, but it's a tertiary or quaternary issue at best.

The run defense was abused against Arkansas from play one. All game. Texas showed zero ability to read keys, get push, and make plays. 

The run defense did nothing to adjust to the QB change, which led to a focus in the RPO and delay game, against OU. The run defense failed to make a play, any play, the entire second half after OU made its adjustments. Again, Texas rotated players heavily the entire game on defense.

The run defense was nonexistent in the second half on long 2nd down and most 3rd downs against Okie State. This was not due to some ethereal conditioning issue. The defense was keying pass on multiple 2nd and 3rd down mid-long plays, which played directly into Mike Gundy's plan of doing whatever he could to cram the ball down UT's throat and not jeopardize a close loss or a win by allowing Sanders to come unglued in the passing game.

On 3rd and 9, I believe at the end of the first half, coming out of a timeout in which Gundy clearly didn't like the look Sanders was facing for a pass play, Gundy called a run play while Texas sold out on the pass. Gundy hadn't called the timeout to preserve clock. He called the timeout because of what he saw from the UT setup. He'd already watched the clock tick away while running the ball heading into that down. Gundy was content to punt it deep and bet on going into the half down 7. Instead, his back picked up the requisite 9, they were then close to field goal position, and they pushed ahead to eventually kick it. 

The same shit happened at key points in the second half, where it was obvious that Gundy was content to run it and let results play out however they needed to, meanwhile Texas is working with a 3 man front and layering the field to account for a nonexistent passing game. All this fucking idiot Kwiatkowski had to account for in the passing game was the single man read to the main receiver. Bracket that fucking guy, stay on your toes in the screen game, man up the other JAGs at receiver and shut down the motherfucking run like an a defense with a bunch of adults playing within it and coaching it. 

The issue with you idiots who "respect the defense" is that you're seeing what you choose to see:

-You're not accounting for the pedestrian nature of OSU's offense all season. Gundy is, of course. And like a good coach, he's still winning games.

-You're not accounting for the reality that Arkansas is getting straight up fucking bullied in the meat of their schedule in the second half of the games against ATM, Auburn, and Georgia.

-They sustained one drive of substance against ATM in the second half in order to kick a field goal.

-They sustained 2 drives of substance against Auburn and otherwise were stopped on downs twice, once in which they could not get the needed 4 yards on 3 plays running the ball, stopped on turnovers or punted.

-Georgia pistolwhipped them entire game in the running game, but I can grant that that's Georgia.

-Ole Miss plays defense on par with Texas, so sure, Arkansas ran for the same amount of yardage against them as they did us. The difference in that game is that when someone punches Lane Kiffin in the mouth, he counters, as opposed to Sarkisian who appears to go fetal in facets of life when the going gets tough.

If Texas comes out of this bye week with another fucking 3 man front, base defense against an opponent with a full dependency upon its ability to run offensively, Kwiatkowski should be tarred and feathered stepping off the bus back in Austin. 

The bottom line is that we've got a west coast soft coaching staff, which is a sad surprise but looks obvious in hindsight with the two guys at the top. Kwiatkowski made a career out of stopping pass first teams that never imposed their will running the ball. Bring that shit out of the Pac 12 with very little proactive thinking because the guy has a coach's room temperature IQ and "we've always done it like this" and you have what we have. It isn't conditioning.

And hence those comments i read a while back in Hardcorehusky about Kwiatkowski's defense getting beat by Stanford...He might not know how to stop the fucking run.

Edited October 19, 2021 by westexhorn

[Atticus 3922]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Keilan Robinson had an off the ball injury during the second half kickoff. He limped off the field and was helped by trainers. He went into the tent for a while. He eventually resurfaced in the middle of the 4th quarter because he's a tough motherfucker, but the quickness, at least in this game, that makes him a great auxiliary choice was taken away from him and Sarkisian accordingly.

You and others keep selling this "they were worn out" narrative regarding the defense for the past two games. You keep using the premise that "well, it was happening all game" as a means of supporting your thesis. You're completely wrong and you should stop peddling this tripe on this board. 

For one, they rotated players three levels deep on the depth chart at almost every position for the entire game. Okie State did nothing of the sort on offense. It was also 75 degrees. Texas stayed fresh all fucking game long. They weren't "exhausted" in the second half. That's just fucking lazy to claim and suggests a complete lack of critical evaluation skills associated to what was happening in the game. Did S&C play a role? Maybe, but it's a tertiary or quaternary issue at best.

The run defense was abused against Arkansas from play one. All game. Texas showed zero ability to read keys, get push, and make plays. 

The run defense did nothing to adjust to the QB change, which led to a focus in the RPO and delay game, against OU. The run defense failed to make a play, any play, the entire second half after OU made its adjustments. Again, Texas rotated players heavily the entire game on defense.

The run defense was nonexistent in the second half on long 2nd down and most 3rd downs against Okie State. This was not due to some ethereal conditioning issue. The defense was keying pass on multiple 2nd and 3rd down mid-long plays, which played directly into Mike Gundy's plan of doing whatever he could to cram the ball down UT's throat and not jeopardize a close loss or a win by allowing Sanders to come unglued in the passing game.

On 3rd and 9, I believe at the end of the first half, coming out of a timeout in which Gundy clearly didn't like the look Sanders was facing for a pass play, Gundy called a run play while Texas sold out on the pass. Gundy hadn't called the timeout to preserve clock. He called the timeout because of what he saw from the UT setup. He'd already watched the clock tick away while running the ball heading into that down. Gundy was content to punt it deep and bet on going into the half down 7. Instead, his back picked up the requisite 9, they were then close to field goal position, and they pushed ahead to eventually kick it. 

The same shit happened at key points in the second half, where it was obvious that Gundy was content to run it and let results play out however they needed to, meanwhile Texas is working with a 3 man front and layering the field to account for a nonexistent passing game. All this fucking idiot Kwiatkowski had to account for in the passing game was the single man read to the main receiver. Bracket that fucking guy, stay on your toes in the screen game, man up the other JAGs at receiver and shut down the motherfucking run like an a defense with a bunch of adults playing within it and coaching it. 

The issue with you idiots who "respect the defense" is that you're seeing what you choose to see:

-You're not accounting for the pedestrian nature of OSU's offense all season. Gundy is, of course. And like a good coach, he's still winning games.

-You're not accounting for the reality that Arkansas is getting straight up fucking bullied in the meat of their schedule in the second half of the games against ATM, Auburn, and Georgia.

-They sustained one drive of substance against ATM in the second half in order to kick a field goal.

-They sustained 2 drives of substance against Auburn and otherwise were stopped on downs twice, once in which they could not get the needed 4 yards on 3 plays running the ball, stopped on turnovers or punted.

-Georgia pistolwhipped them entire game in the running game, but I can grant that that's Georgia.

-Ole Miss plays defense on par with Texas, so sure, Arkansas ran for the same amount of yardage against them as they did us. The difference in that game is that when someone punches Lane Kiffin in the mouth, he counters, as opposed to Sarkisian who appears to go fetal in facets of life when the going gets tough.

If Texas comes out of this bye week with another fucking 3 man front, base defense against an opponent with a full dependency upon its ability to run offensively, Kwiatkowski should be tarred and feathered stepping off the bus back in Austin. 

The bottom line is that we've got a west coast soft coaching staff, which is a sad surprise but looks obvious in hindsight with the two guys at the top. Kwiatkowski made a career out of stopping pass first teams that never imposed their will running the ball. Bring that shit out of the Pac 12 with very little proactive thinking because the guy has a coach's room temperature IQ and "we've always done it like this" and you have what we have. It isn't conditioning.

I disagree with you. They stopped the run very well early on. I dunno if it is fatigue, but that's a convenient reason. I also think it's lazy to blame the scheme. They did well in this game and in the game against OU until the offense bogged down. There were only a handful of runs that beat us before the run of 3 and outs in the 2nd half. One of them was after the 3 and out after the pick six in the first half.

Nothing I can say will make you see differently because your mind is already made up and we know how you are. But, I don't believe the scheme is the issue with the defense. If the offense starts sustaining drives in the second half, I believe the defense will play better in the second half.

If you are expecting a championship level defense this year, you are going to be disappointed no matter how well they play. We've seen coordinators come in and look like the godsends. You were praying to the gods that Todd fucking Orlando didn't get poached from us early on, if I remember correctly. Let's see this shit play out.

*Obligatory random insult*

Edited October 19, 2021 by Atticus

[dcar00 14035]

1 hour ago, Atticus said:

I disagree with you. They stopped the run very well early on. I dunno if it is fatigue, but that's a convenient reason. I also think it's lazy to blame the scheme. They did well in this game and in the game against OU until the offense bogged down. There were only a handful of runs that beat us before the run of 3 and outs in the 2nd half. One of them was after the 3 and out after the pick six in the first half.

Nothing I can say will make you see differently because your mind is already made up and we know how you are. But, I don't believe the scheme is the issue with the defense. If the offense starts sustaining drives in the second half, I believe the defense will play better in the second half.

If you are expecting a championship level defense this year, you are going to be disappointed no matter how well they play. We've seen coordinators come in and look like the godsends. You were praying to the gods that Todd fucking Orlando didn't get poached from us early on, if I remember correctly. Let's see this shit play out.

*Obligatory random insult*

we are looking for competent/average not championship level.

[Knighthawk 284]

Can’t read through all the verbal diarrhea above … it’s just exhausting.  However, I will provide my ground-breaking analysis of the game after we scored a td on our first possession of the 2nd half:  
 

Plays, Yards, ToP, Result

3,  -3,  1:42,  Punt

3,    7,   1:24,  Punt

3,    4,  1:00,  Punt

3,  -6,  2:03,  Punt

4,    7,   1:25,  Downs

1,     0,   0:21,  Int 

 

Total for last 27 minutes:   6 possessions,  17 plays,  9 yards,  7:55 ToP.   Result: no fucks left to give by the defense

[Had Enough 2057]

we are looking for competent/average not championship level.

There you go again with your unrealistic expectations Mr. Ahole.

73-72 or 3-2. As long as we’re on the good end, I’ll be happy for 15 minutes.

[closetojumping 62246]

2 hours ago, Atticus said:

I disagree with you. They stopped the run very well early on. I dunno if it is fatigue, but that's a convenient reason. I also think it's lazy to blame the scheme. They did well in this game and in the game against OU until the offense bogged down. There were only a handful of runs that beat us before the run of 3 and outs in the 2nd half. One of them was after the 3 and out after the pick six in the first half.

Nothing I can say will make you see differently because your mind is already made up and we know how you are. But, I don't believe the scheme is the issue with the defense. If the offense starts sustaining drives in the second half, I believe the defense will play better in the second half.

If you are expecting a championship level defense this year, you are going to be disappointed no matter how well they play. We've seen coordinators come in and look like the godsends. You were praying to the gods that Todd fucking Orlando didn't get poached from us early on, if I remember correctly. Let's see this shit play out.

*Obligatory random insult*

It's clear you disagree with me, logic, and anyone else watching the game with a clue, so that was a given. 

Who the fuck is talking about championship level anything here right now? How about competent? Is that too much to ask? 

Who the fuck wouldn't like a coordinator to come in and look like a godsend? I don't even follow your vague attempt at logic on that one. Yes, please! Give me a godsend coordinator, thank you very much! We don't have a fucking thing close to that right now.

As to me being a Todd Orlando fan, you should find that and post it. Seriously, I'd like to see what I said, because I don't give a fuck about what I thought in 2017 in regard to someone who was fine then and lost his shit later, so it would entertain me. I remember feeling like I'd prefer the guy not leave versus leave after year one, which was a weird feeling given that almost every other fucker on the Herman staff was an unjustifiable hire and should never have been here. You know who else thought that way? Anyone else paying attention. Just like no one really predicted that Kwiatkowski would show up here and shit all over himself in public, no one was predicting Todd Orlando to melt all the fucking way down starting in Year 2. 

What difference does it make anyway? With positions like that, you're attacking this hateful concept called "learning". It's what happens when people have an understanding of something, then get presented with new data, and then they change the way they were thinking about things. 

"Deeeeerrrrrrrrrppppp, you once thought that thing though!?!?!" is one of the dumbest rhetorical maneuvers imbeciles like you attempt on the Internet. 

[Atticus 3922]

25 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

It's clear you disagree with me, logic, and anyone else watching the game with a clue, so that was a given. 

Who the fuck is talking about championship level anything here right now? How about competent? Is that too much to ask? 

Who the fuck wouldn't like a coordinator to come in and look like a godsend? I don't even follow your vague attempt at logic on that one. Yes, please! Give me a godsend coordinator, thank you very much! We don't have a fucking thing close to that right now.

As to me being a Todd Orlando fan, you should find that and post it. Seriously, I'd like to see what I said, because I don't give a fuck about what I thought in 2017 in regard to someone who was fine then and lost his shit later, so it would entertain me. I remember feeling like I'd prefer the guy not leave versus leave after year one, which was a weird feeling given that almost every other fucker on the Herman staff was an unjustifiable hire and should never have been here. You know who else thought that way? Anyone else paying attention. Just like no one really predicted that Kwiatkowski would show up here and shit all over himself in public, no one was predicting Todd Orlando to melt all the fucking way down starting in Year 2. 

What difference does it make anyway? With positions like that, you're attacking this hateful concept called "learning". It's what happens when people have an understanding of something, then get presented with new data, and then they change the way they were thinking about things. 

"Deeeeerrrrrrrrrppppp, you once thought that thing though!?!?!" is one of the dumbest rhetorical maneuvers imbeciles like you attempt on the Internet. 

So you're saying with more information, former positions can give way to new ones? Fascinating. My entire point is that we don't have enough information yet. Especially compared to the mountain of proof that he's done well literally everywhere else.

Your argument that you are right because "anyone with a clue" agrees with you is also a weak one. Try harder, sir.

I choose to let it play out. In its first game, the defense held an experienced ULL to its lowest point total of the year. Generally held TTU in check outside of those 3 horrific pass plays. Arkansas was an abortion in the 2nd half. We held TCU to their lowest scoring output this year. OU was an abortion in the 2nd half. OkSt. was an abortion in the 2nd half. 

We haven't played to the standard we expect, however we even distinguish what that is, but we could definitely finish games better. I believe we will see improvement as the year ends, and especially next season.

Once again *obligatory lazy namecalling to make myself seem more correct*

Edited October 19, 2021 by Atticus

[mwaadeeb 1152]

The truth is somewhere between you bitches, of course. Take out a few shit flags and 3rd and nines running for 9 yards, add any kind of second half offense, and our maybe our D does the job the last two games and we are building something. Then again, results. Figure we give PK the year to show something -- still possible -- because what fucking else are we going to do. 

[Thatguy 8503]

On 10/17/2021 at 10:33 PM, 6th Street said:

Clutch effort. Gave up only 170 yards. 11 first downs, and 16 points with the game on the line in the 4th quarter. 

[closetojumping 62246]

53 minutes ago, Atticus said:

So you're saying with more information, former positions can give way to new ones? Fascinating. My entire point is that we don't have enough information yet. Especially compared to the mountain of proof that he's done well literally everywhere else.

Your argument that you are right because "anyone with a clue" agrees with you is also a weak one. Try harder, sir.

I choose to let it play out. In its first game, the defense held an experienced ULL to its lowest point total of the year. Generally held TTU in check outside of those 3 horrific pass plays. Arkansas was an abortion in the 2nd half. We held TCU to their lowest scoring output this year. OU was an abortion in the 2nd half. OkSt. was an abortion in the 2nd half. 

We haven't played to the standard we expect, however we even distinguish what that is, but we could definitely finish games better. I believe we will see improvement as the year ends, and especially next season.

Once again *obligatory lazy namecalling to make myself seem more correct*

You are the Mike Roach of this forum. You're going to be "letting it play out" long after Pete Kwiatkowski is handed a one-way ticket to Spokane on a Greyhound. When you realize there's a new guy in role, you'll then immediately begin defending him to the hilt as well. 

It will be hard not to see improvement next season. As bad as some of the UT DCs have been over the years, from Bobby Jack Wright and Gary Darnell to Manny Iaz to Larry McDuff to Todd Orlando, so far this Kwiatkowski motherfucker is giving every one of them a run for their money. 

[HtownHorn 14487]

Where is Greg Robinson when you need him the most?

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

You are the Mike Roach of this forum. You're going to be "letting it play out" long after Pete Kwiatkowski is handed a one-way ticket to Spokane on a Greyhound. When you realize there's a new guy in role, you'll then immediately begin defending him to the hilt as well. 

It will be hard not to see improvement next season. As bad as some of the UT DCs have been over the years, from Bobby Jack Wright and Gary Darnell to Manny Iaz to Larry McDuff to Todd Orlando, so far this Kwiatkowski motherfucker is giving every one of them a run for their money. 

Does this mean you feel confident Sark will cut bait on PK after just one season, or is it just wishful thinking on my part that you you are implying this?

[dcar00 14035]

10 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

The bottom line is that we've got a west coast soft coaching staff, which is a sad surprise but looks obvious in hindsight with the two guys at the top. Kwiatkowski made a career out of stopping pass first teams that never imposed their will running the ball. Bring that shit out of the Pac 12 with very little proactive thinking because the guy has a coach's room temperature IQ and "we've always done it like this" and you have what we have. It isn't conditioning.

Preach on....Sark needs to be looking elsewhere or his stay will be short.  hiring a coach because he did good against your offense once is a pretty stupid reason to hire a guy.    then again, maybe we should hire the OSU DC?

[dcar00 14035]

52 minutes ago, nunna yo bizness said:

Does this mean you feel confident Sark will cut bait on PK after just one season, or is it just wishful thinking on my part that you you are implying this?

IMO, he will be here regardless next season unless it we end up 6-6, the D is giving up 500+ a game in the losses and it can be laid completely at the feet of the D.

Head coaches hate firing coordinators because "continuity/recruiting", especially when they are on the other side of the ball from you.

The best we can hope for is Sark getting an opinion from someone he trusts on D to give him some honest feedback.  Nick Saban...you are our only hope.

 

[Sawbonz 27434]

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

from Bobby Jack Wright and Gary Darnell to Manny Iaz to Larry McDuff to Todd Orlando

[Atticus 3922]

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

You are the Mike Roach of this forum. You're going to be "letting it play out" long after Pete Kwiatkowski is handed a one-way ticket to Spokane on a Greyhound. When you realize there's a new guy in role, you'll then immediately begin defending him to the hilt as well. 

It will be hard not to see improvement next season. As bad as some of the UT DCs have been over the years, from Bobby Jack Wright and Gary Darnell to Manny Iaz to Larry McDuff to Todd Orlando, so far this Kwiatkowski motherfucker is giving every one of them a run for their money. 

Call me an imbecile or whatever your word of the day is, but calling me Mike Roach is simply crossing the line pal.

I've never been much of a rah rah guy, but I do know football well enough. I also have friends who do. Texas looks different, and it feels like we're heading in a positive direction but time will tell. 

Also, not setting reasonable, objective qualifiers for success/failure will make it impossible to fairly judge any performance.

This isn't going anywhere though, good luck being miserable!

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

IMO, he will be here regardless next season unless it we end up 6-6, the D is giving up 500+ a game in the losses and it can be laid completely at the feet of the D.

Head coaches hate firing coordinators because "continuity/recruiting", especially when they are on the other side of the ball from you.

The best we can hope for is Sark getting an opinion from someone he trusts on D to give him some honest feedback.  Nick Saban...you are our only hope.

 

Yeah, it would surprise me if he pushed out PK after one year.  Then again Aranda is an example of a guy who made a needed change after only one year, so there's always hope.

While I know CTJ can't predict what Sark will do, I was hooing maybe he's heard rumblings from those in high places that would be giving Sark "suggestions".

[dcar00 14035]

1 hour ago, Atticus said:

Call me an imbecile or whatever your word of the day is, but calling me Mike Roach is simply crossing the line pal.

I've never been much of a rah rah guy, but I do know football well enough. I also have friends who do. Texas looks different, and it feels like we're heading in a positive direction but time will tell. 

Also, not setting reasonable, objective qualifiers for success/failure will make it impossible to fairly judge any performance.

This isn't going anywhere though, good luck being miserable!

we aren't miserable, we are long past that.  we are pretty good at seeing and understanding shitty coaching, so we are calling a spade a spade.  we were right on Charlie after a year(59 yards in Texas Bowl while getting pulverized on D as well to fat fuckin retard), right on Watson right after he was hired, right on Orlando, right about Mack when he decided he wanted to be Bama with Garrett Gilbert and that he needed to be gone.

I was meh on Herman and he ended up being what I thought he was.  an average Texas coach.  we screamed about going to 4DL.  he hires Ash and we immediately look better on D. who knew? we did.  why? because people in Texas watch a fuckton of football, we grow up playing it.  its not just a hobby.

we complain about Diaz' schtick and we were right.  Gerg comes in and it immediately gets better.

I actually think Sark is a very very good to great OC. He's shown it at multiple levels in different situations.  PK is a PAC12 DC who aint gonna work here based on what I've seen.  I want Sark to succeed as a HC and PK isn't the guy to help make that happen IMO. 

Sure its possible the last 7 games have been bad luck, personnel issues, refs, etc and PK ends up being a stud.  To date, I'm seeing no adjustments to personnel and a scheme that is getting punished weekly by Big 12 OC's(I'll include Kendall Briles in that for Ark) so I'm not hopeful.  I'd be ecstatic to be wrong.  Let's beat the shit out of Baylor.

[HtownHorn 14487]

dcar00 makes a good point, we are so used to mediocre coaching it is easy to spot when we see it.

Kwiatkowski is a mediocre coach outside the Pac 12.

[Atticus 3922]

1 hour ago, HtownHorn said:

dcar00 makes a good point, we are so used to mediocre coaching it is easy to spot when we see it.

Kwiatkowski is a mediocre coach outside the Pac 12.

How does one define an above average coach? In measurable and objective parameters

[HtownHorn 14487]

14 minutes ago, Atticus said:

How does one define an above average coach? In measurable and objective parameters

One that can adjust the scheme to the talent on hand, or simplify it so that players can attack and not have to overthink assignments.

Once you see an average Arkansas offense run for over 300 yards, you don't run the same shit and expect better offensive teams not to run all over you too.

 

The strength of the defense is found in Collins, Cook, Overshown, and the CBs which you have 5-6 guys you feel good about playing. 

Cook should have been moved to safety in the spring when it was obvious that all your safeties are fucking slow. You could have moved another CB to safety as well, maybe Dunn. Convincing him that it's good to have tape playing all over the secondary for NFL teams to evaluate.

While you have no true stand out pass rushers, Collins reeking havoc from the DT spot is kryptonite for offenses, and odd front defense on a team full of even front players should have been a non starter.

You have maybe 1 or 2 LBs worth a shit, so why are you playing 3-4 at all times.

4-2-5 should have been the base with Overshown playing a hybrid safety/LB role. Created to funnel plays to him to clean up in space.

Edited October 20, 2021 by HtownHorn

[closetojumping 62246]

14 hours ago, nunna yo bizness said:

Does this mean you feel confident Sark will cut bait on PK after just one season, or is it just wishful thinking on my part that you you are implying this?

 

11 hours ago, nunna yo bizness said:

Yeah, it would surprise me if he pushed out PK after one year.  Then again Aranda is an example of a guy who made a needed change after only one year, so there's always hope.

While I know CTJ can't predict what Sark will do, I was hooing maybe he's heard rumblings from those in high places that would be giving Sark "suggestions".

I’ve heard nothing, just wishful thinking. Sarkisian seems pretty soft, so I’ll assume we roll into next year with the same staff excepting those who leave for promotions somewhere, if any get that chance. 

11 hours ago, dcar00 said:

we aren't miserable, we are long past that.  we are pretty good at seeing and understanding shitty coaching, so we are calling a spade a spade.  we were right on Charlie after a year(59 yards in Texas Bowl while getting pulverized on D as well to fat fuckin retard), right on Watson right after he was hired, right on Orlando, right about Mack when he decided he wanted to be Bama with Garrett Gilbert and that he needed to be gone.

I was meh on Herman and he ended up being what I thought he was.  an average Texas coach.  we screamed about going to 4DL.  he hires Ash and we immediately look better on D. who knew? we did.  why? because people in Texas watch a fuckton of football, we grow up playing it.  its not just a hobby.

we complain about Diaz' schtick and we were right.  Gerg comes in and it immediately gets better.

I actually think Sark is a very very good to great OC. He's shown it at multiple levels in different situations.  PK is a PAC12 DC who aint gonna work here based on what I've seen.  I want Sark to succeed as a HC and PK isn't the guy to help make that happen IMO. 

Sure its possible the last 7 games have been bad luck, personnel issues, refs, etc and PK ends up being a stud.  To date, I'm seeing no adjustments to personnel and a scheme that is getting punished weekly by Big 12 OC's(I'll include Kendall Briles in that for Ark) so I'm not hopeful.  I'd be ecstatic to be wrong.  Let's beat the shit out of Baylor.

Mostly agree, but where I differ is that Sarkisian looks like a front runner. All the hallmarks are there and they’re supported historically on and off the field with him as well. The minute he gets punched in the face, he appears to shit himself and go fetal. So, he seems like a great coordinator until a defense pushes back on him. 

[dcar00 14035]

14 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Mostly agree, but where I differ is that Sarkisian looks like a front runner. All the hallmarks are there and they’re supported historically on and off the field with him as well. The minute he gets punched in the face, he appears to shit himself and go fetal. So, he seems like a great coordinator until a defense pushes back on him. 

you might be right.  I'm trying not to go completely down the "we're fucked again" rabbit hole.  He definitely needs Flood to do work.  If Flood is a failure(coaching and recruiting) he is in trouble.  Hopefully Flood does a great job but the failure on transfers(whether by choice or not) this year has me concerned.

[Atticus 3922]

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

I’ve heard nothing, just wishful thinking. Sarkisian seems pretty soft, so I’ll assume we roll into next year with the same staff excepting those who leave for promotions somewhere, if any get that chance. 

Mostly agree, but where I differ is that Sarkisian looks like a front runner. All the hallmarks are there and they’re supported historically on and off the field with him as well. The minute he gets punched in the face, he appears to shit himself and go fetal. So, he seems like a great coordinator until a defense pushes back on him. 

This was also a big concern I had when he was hired. His teams tend to flutter down the stretch, maybe he's figured it out in his time at Alabama maybe not. Maybe we just score enough on everyone in the first half of games and keep the other team from scoring too quickly in the second half. 

Lots of good coaches seem to believe in him though, but time will tell.

[LTtxfan 48977]

5 hours ago, dcar00 said:

Hopefully Flood does a great job but the failure on transfers(whether by choice or not) this year has me concerned.

 

Yeah, the poor spring roster evaluation by coaches before "the bullets started flying" this fall is worthy of criticism.   More transfer help needed to be brought in at OL for sure.  

It really is discouraging to have so many areas that are currently struggling. 

• Player leadership is terrible
• OL play horrible
• No pass rushers worth a damn
• No DL guys that draw doubleteams
• Defense rarely creates negative plays
• LBs can't get off blocks
• Safeties out of position missing tackles
• Only one WR that defenses have to stop
• Terrible TEs that can't block
• Mediocre QB play vs Arky, Tcu, okie lite

 

This year's team sure reminds me of a joke Ron White likes to tell about 'what his grandfather used to say about Ron when he was growing up':

"That boy (Texas) sure has a lotta of quit in 'em"

 

Edited October 20, 2021 by LTtxfan
Fuckin' Autocorrect

[HtownHorn 14487]

Sarkisian needs to find a different DC, or his tenure at Texas will be as long as the previous 2 HCs. 

[JBJ 3649]

On 10/20/2021 at 12:48 AM, HtownHorn said:

One that can adjust the scheme to the talent on hand, or simplify it so that players can attack and not have to overthink assignments.

Once you see an average Arkansas offense run for over 300 yards, you don't run the same shit and expect better offensive teams not to run all over you too.

 

The strength of the defense is found in Collins, Cook, Overshown, and the CBs which you have 5-6 guys you feel good about playing. 

Cook should have been moved to safety in the spring when it was obvious that all your safeties are fucking slow. You could have moved another CB to safety as well, maybe Dunn. Convincing him that it's good to have tape playing all over the secondary for NFL teams to evaluate.

While you have no true stand out pass rushers, Collins reeking havoc from the DT spot is kryptonite for offenses, and odd front defense on a team full of even front players should have been a non starter.

You have maybe 1 or 2 LBs worth a shit, so why are you playing 3-4 at all times.

4-2-5 should have been the base with Overshown playing a hybrid safety/LB role. Created to funnel plays to him to clean up in space.

You are an idiot.

[Zeus 5950]

Respect

Maybe secretly Patterson is the HC of the defense while Sark can focus on the offense