Wash St. Covid thread of despair and anti-vax bannination

[MotownHorn 1798]

2 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

His buy out is null and void. 

Man he really owned the libs 

[Deej 76946]

10 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Liberty is possible but unless there's some underlying health issue he's at virtually no risk of dying from Covid complications which I'm sure is a bummer to most of the respondents I'm this thread.

724,000 dead people in the U.S. beg to differ.

[HtownHorn 14786]

40 minutes ago, SwAss said:

Not to CR but it seems like some are more concerned with their individual freedoms then how their choices affect other people.  Which is ironic (and selfish).  

If you got vaccinated wtf do you care?

[Sawbonz 27596]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

If you got vaccinated wtf do you care?

So people like Colin Powell have more protection. I have a patient right now who is 88, on chemo for prostate cancer. People on chemo are about 40% protected by the vaccine. If they get the virus they can get very sick and die 

[Patrick Bateman 3933]

3 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

If you got vaccinated wtf do you care?

There's a thing called a social contract or community citizenry.  Folks sometimes gotta think beyond themselves and/or their nuclear family.

 

[83Horn 1648]

11 minutes ago, Deej said:

724,000 dead people in the U.S. beg to differ.

44.2 million covid survivors in the U.S. indicate otherwise.

[Deej 76946]

4 minutes ago, 83Horn said:

44.2 million covid survivors in the U.S. indicate otherwise.

Well, I guess that makes the needless deaths ok. 

We probably shouldn't have had vaccines for diseases that had more people survive than die. 

What a fucking idiot. 

[maninblack 7974]

29 minutes ago, Deej said:

724,000 dead people in the U.S. beg to differ.

The 35-44 age group make up 17,292 or 2.5%. Of that 17,292 a significant amount had underlying health issues. So like I said unless those health issues exist he's at virtually no risk of dying from Covid.

Edited October 19, 2021 by maninblack

[maninblack 7974]

19 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

There's a thing called a social contract or community citizenry.  

Show me this contract and where anyone has signed it

[Deej 76946]

2 minutes ago, maninblack said:

The 35-44 age group make 17,292 or 2.5%. Of that 17,292 a significant amount had underlying health issues. So like I said unless those health issues exist he's at virtually no risk of dying from Covid.

So you know his medical history?

And he's not at risk of spreading to people who may be at Risk?

Because you know football coaches don't interact with many people on a daily basis.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Deej

[maninblack 7974]

Just now, Deej said:

So you know his medical history?

I don't and didn't claim to but I can look at the data and make that statement with confidence.

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Show me this contract and where anyone has signed it

That's why it's called a "social contract", because it doesn't physically exist.  Like the term "unspoken rule" or "goes without saying or "social fabric."  

Basically the foundations of Texas.

[Deej 76946]

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

I don't and didn't claim to but I can look at the data and make that statement with confidence.

Lulz.

[maninblack 7974]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

That's why it's called a "social contract", because it doesn't physically exist.  Like the term "unspoken rule" or "goes without saying or "social fabric."  

Basically the foundations of Texas.

That's sweet you can make stuff up that doesn't exist and want people to abide by it.

[mchookem 16408]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

That's why it's called a "social contract", because it doesn't physically exist.  Like the term "unspoken rule" or "goes without saying or "social fabric."  

Basically the foundations of Texas.

don't forget "gentlemen's agreement"!

those are also binding...oh, wait...🤣

 

[Deej 76946]

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

That's sweet you can make stuff up that doesn't exist and want people to abide by it.

Like making up that you can look at someone and tell they won't die from COVID?

[Guest Lobo]

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

That's sweet you can make stuff up that doesn't exist and want people to abide by it.

I didn't make it up.  That's the point of my post.  Every society has multiple terms for "unwritten laws of society."  They literally go back to before we could even write.

[Sawbonz 27596]

8 minutes ago, maninblack said:

The 35-44 age group make up 17,292 or 2.5%. Of that 17,292 a significant amount had underlying health issues. So like I said unless those health issues exist he's at virtually no risk of dying from Covid.

But he will help keep the virus circulating so that it can kill folks who do have those risk factors.

[maninblack 7974]

Just now, Deej said:

Like making up that you can look at someone and tell they won't die from COVID?

I didn't claim to know his medical status. What I said is if there aren't any underlying conditions he's at virtually no risk which the data shows.

[maninblack 7974]

4 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

But he will help keep the virus circulating so that it can kill folks who do have those risk factors.

What about vaccinated people that contract and spread the virus?

Edited October 19, 2021 by maninblack

[maninblack 7974]

1 minute ago, Horn Dog said:

Here is a letter I received in 2012 regarding mandatory vaccination or get fired notice.  This isn’t new people.  If you attended UT you also had mandatory vaccination or GTFO notices.  This is the way it always has been.  There is no constitutional right to employment.  Comply or exercise your right to get fucked. 

Show me the long term safety date for these vaccines. 

There's plenty of data on whole virus vaccines like the flu and MMR.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

What about vaccinated people contract and spread the virus?

What about the stupid notion that this virus will at some point stop being spread. Too late. It’s here to stay. 

[Deej 76946]

1 minute ago, maninblack said:

What about vaccinated people contract and spread the virus?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/

[aggie08 21555]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Show me the long term safety date for these vaccines. 

There's plenty of data on whole virus vaccines like the flu and MMR.

What's an appropriate "just to be super duper safe" waiting period? 5 years? 10? How many more will needlessly die between then and now?

I'm sure that you're also aware that the flu vaccine is different every single year? It's not some constant, unchanging entity.

Edited October 19, 2021 by aggie08

[Sawbonz 27596]

Just now, maninblack said:

What about vaccinated people contract and spread the virus?

They are much less likely to catch the virus, therefore they are much less likely to spread it. If your argument is that a vaccine must be 100% successful in order for it be mandated for use, we really have nothing else to discuss. Singapore is at 85% vaccinated, and for a population of 5 1/2 million they are averaging fewer than 10 Covid deaths per day. Compare to Texas at 52% with population of 29 million and still averaging almost 200 per day. It’s not debatable 

[Bigjohns97 125]

2 minutes ago, Deej said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/

Complete and utter bullshit.

[Deej 76946]

Just now, Bigjohns97 said:

Complete and utter bullshit.

Show your work.

[maninblack 7974]

5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What's an appropriate "just to be super duper safe" waiting period? 5 years? 10? How many more will needlessly die between then and now?

I'm sure that you're also aware that the flu vaccine is different every single year? It's not some constant, unchanging entity.

It's still a whole virus vaccine that shouldn't be conflated with these mRNA vaccines

[Horn Dog 9946]

13 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Show me the long term safety date for these vaccines. 

There's plenty of data on whole virus vaccines like the flu and MMR.

The safety data has been shown to scientists who know how to interpret the data and it is safe and approved by the FDA.   It has been injected billions of times and it is safe. Why do you get any say what so ever in what an employer gets to mandate from its employees?   If you don’t like the employers requirements then fuck off just like these putzes did.  

[maninblack 7974]

4 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

The safety data has been shown to scientists who know how to interpret the data and it is safe and approved by the FDA.   It has been injected billions of times and it is safe. Why do you get any say what so ever in what an employer gets to mandate from its employees?   If you don’t like the employers requirements then fuck off just like these putzes did.  

A lot of people have taken it. It doesn't change the fact there's no long term safety data. There's also a lot of ADRs in the VAERS and WHO reporting systems. Only one as far as I know, Pfizer, is approved by the FDA and the organization circumvented their own process to do it.

If the state of WA or an employer wants to create the requirement that's fine I just think it's stupid b/c the data doesn't support the hysteria.

[maninblack 7974]

3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, he could easily pass it on to someone who is.  

So could someone that's vaccinated.

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

Just now, maninblack said:

So could someone that's vaccinated.

Not nearly as easily and breakthrough infections are much more rare than someone unvaccinated contracting the virus.  These are all facts.  It's called the preponderance of evidence.  Anyone can find 1-2 articles showing bullshit one way.  The way we practice medicine is we look at ALL the studies then form a consensus.  Sorry, science is not on your side.  There's a lot of doctors in buttfuck america supporting your view too...like I said preponderance of evidence.  Am I saying the doctors in major academic centers opinions count more and their studies are better?  Um...yes, yes that's what I'm saying.  

[Guest Lobo]

Preponderance?  And so now you coming in here with your science AND maths?  Not up in here.  No Sir!  Not up in here. 

[Sawbonz 27596]

27 minutes ago, maninblack said:

It's still a whole virus vaccine that shouldn't be conflated with these mRNA vaccines

Walk me through the proposed mechanism(s) for long term side effects from an mRNA vaccine 

[SizzleChest 8284]

I'm shocked that we're 3 pages into this thread and MIB has not posted some FB links, screenshots, or other misinformation or shit all over Colin Powell for that matter.  Maybe I missed it - his posts tend to congeal into thick streams of inanity almost immediately, so it's too easy to just glaze over them.  At this point, he could just post punctuation, and we'd understand it as coded vaccine misinformation.  Like a Morse code of the stupid that we can't interpret, but know what it means.

[maninblack 7974]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Not nearly as easily and breakthrough infections are much more rare than someone unvaccinated contracting the virus.  

Those breakthroughs don't seem to be very rare in some countries. England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinated. Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. Rhode Island's breakthrough hospitalizations and mortality rate exceeded unvaccinated in September. 

Considering the short timeline the vaccines have been available and the data that coming out globally I don't think you can make that statement with any real certainty.

[aggie08 21555]

4 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Those breakthroughs don't seem to be very rare in some countries. England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinated. Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. Rhode Island's breakthrough hospitalizations and mortality rate exceeded unvaccinated in September. 

Considering the short timeline the vaccines have been available and the data that coming out globally I don't think you can make that statement with any real certainty.

I'm begging you, man: diversify your information sources.

[SizzleChest 8284]

3 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Those breakthroughs don't seem to be very rare in some countries. England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinated. Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. Rhode Island's breakthrough hospitalizations and mortality rate exceeded unvaccinated in September. 

Considering the short timeline the vaccines have been available and the data that coming out globally I don't think you can make that statement with any real certainty.

Considering that you are a gullible simp with a totally defective understanding of any of this means you are not changing anyone's opinion.  So, why do you keep bothering?  

[Walser 1110]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Those breakthroughs don't seem to be very rare in some countries. England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinated. Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. Rhode Island's breakthrough hospitalizations and mortality rate exceeded unvaccinated in September. 

Considering the short timeline the vaccines have been available and the data that coming out globally I don't think you can make that statement with any real certainty.

Show your work.

[ChiTownDoc 21175]

4 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Those breakthroughs don't seem to be very rare in some countries. England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinated. Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. Rhode Island's breakthrough hospitalizations and mortality rate exceeded unvaccinated in September. 

Considering the short timeline the vaccines have been available and the data that coming out globally I don't think you can make that statement with any real certainty.

Sweet.  Pick and choose whatever data point you want, from particular studies...  Point is people vaccinated are dying in MUCH lower numbers.  Like, well over 10-1 hospitalized are unvaccinated.  So show me more studies proving that wrong vs studies proving that correct and I'll listen.  

[Guest Lobo]

9 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated. New York now has more than double Florida's rate of Covid cases per 100K. Vermont is reporting most of their deaths in the month of September are vaccinated people. 

Do you get your  Covid news from the Singapore bureau of the Burlington Free Press or from the Vermont bureau of the Singapore-Straits Times?  

Edited October 19, 2021 by Lobo

[Sawbonz 27596]

3 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Singapore is exploding with cases and most of the country is vaccinated.

If by exploding you mean going from a tiny number of cases to a multiple of that tiny number of cases then yes. As I mentioned their daily average deaths has “exploded” to 9. For a population of 5.5 M. Texas is averaging 200 for 29M and Florida 170 for 21.5. 
 

 

[SizzleChest 8284]

Daily Caller screenshots incoming in 5...4....3..2...1....

[Deej 76946]

OAN and Newsmax couldn't possibly be wrong?

 

[hornian 5226]

59 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Show me the long term safety date for these vaccines. 

There's plenty of data on whole virus vaccines like the flu and MMR.

[Sawbonz 27596]

17 minutes ago, maninblack said:

England is reporting more deaths among vaccinated than unvaccinate

UK population 67 M is averaging 120 Covid deaths per day. 85% vax rate

TX + FL 52M around 50% vax rate 370 per day 

Covid vaccinations unequivocally save lives

[JimmyJames 12271]

44 minutes ago, maninblack said:

A lot of people have taken it. It doesn't change the fact there's no long term safety data. There's also a lot of ADRs in the VAERS and WHO reporting systems. Only one as far as I know, Pfizer, is approved by the FDA and the organization circumvented their own process to do it.

If the state of WA or an employer wants to create the requirement that's fine I just think it's stupid b/c the data doesn't support the hysteria.

I agree. The Chinese flu is a hoax. 700k dead is just hospitals making bucks off the government. Fauci is the antchrist and hates horse paste. The vaccine is killing people left and right and is the mark of the beast. We should hang and discuss our thoughts about “the data.” I’ve been doing research too.

[maninblack 7974]

7 minutes ago, Walser said:

Show your work.

England Public Health Data: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf

Table 5

Rhode Island Department of Health Raw Data: https://www.andrewbostom.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Copy-of-September-COVID-Infections.xlsx

Hospitalizations

—136 breakthrough hospitalizations/684,000 fully vaccinated=19.9/100,000

—27 not fully vaccinated hospitalizations/416,000 not fully vaccinated= 6.5/100,000

—12 hospitalizations in those with prior infection history/638,000 with prior infection=1.9/100,000

Deaths

—22 breakthrough deaths/684,000 fully vaccinated=3.2/100,000

—5 not fully vaccinated deaths/416,000 not fully vaccinated= 1.2/100,000

—0 deaths in those with prior infection history/638,000 with prior infection=0/100,000

Vermont and New York data can be found here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

https://vermontdailychronicle.com/2021/09/30/76-of-september-covid-19-deaths-are-vaxxed-breakthroughs/

Singapore:

 

[westexhorn 2020]

Surveillance for Adverse Events After COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination | Vaccination | JAMA | JAMA Network

Just check out Kaiser Permanente which has monitored over 6.2 mil of their patients for adverse effects.  This is fresh off the press.

Question  Are mRNA COVID-19 vaccines associated with increased risk for serious health outcomes during days 1 to 21 after vaccination?

Findings  In this interim analysis of surveillance data from 6.2 million persons who received 11.8 million doses of an mRNA vaccine, event rates for 23 serious health outcomes were not significantly higher for individuals 1 to 21 days after vaccination compared with similar individuals at 22 to 42 days after vaccination.

Meaning  This analysis found no significant associations between vaccination with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and selected serious health outcomes 1 to 21 days after vaccination, although CIs were wide for some rate ratio estimates and additional follow-up is ongoing.

[perfectchaos007 6677]

30 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

If I believed for a second that most of these people consulted honestly with their personal doctors, epidemiologists, and local public health experts, but still decided that they're just not comfortable with getting vaccinated yet, I'd have sympathy. But that's not what's happening. Most of them are acting on junk science from bad faith actors with a political agenda (many of whom are vaccinated themselves) and what they hear from social media directly or via family/friends. Then they usually spread that misinformation further in an attempt to justify their choices.

What antivaxxers on facebook want us to do when they say "do your own research!"