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5 minutes ago, txhorns said:

Seems like if Baldwin fired as part of actual filming he should be fine.  If he was messing around between filming he may be fucked.

This.  Lots of witnesses and probably camera footage.  

So to the point, why was he pointing the gun at the director of photography and the director himself?  Maybe they were filming a scene where the gun was pointed at the camera or off camera in their direction. The two people that were shot were likely looking through the camera monitors or coaching the scene?

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Nearly all the examples I have found involve either extremely close range damage by the gases/squib/both or an actual projectile that was left in or otherwise found its way into a firearm. I can’t see how two people get killed unless it was an actual live round—and it’s colossally stupid for live ammo to find its way onto a Western set. 
 

/csb my parents were officials and had a very convincing .32 starter pistol when I was a kid, the barrel was plugged so even if it ended up getting a live round chambered, it would be more likely to blow up or at least spend most of the energy of the bullet./csb 

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17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

The issue I think is that range and type of squib load the prop guys loaded.  Why more and more close in shots, if you look carefully (talking to you John Wick) are actually CGI'd for effect.

John Wick isn't real?

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55 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

Entry and exit from one person into another. 

With a prop gun ?  there's nothing but cotton wadding basically.  It's the concussive force at close range that kills I thought.

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2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

With a prop gun ?  there's nothing but cotton wadding basically.  It's the concussive force at close range that kills I thought.

That is what this article said. 

 

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An eyewitness on set tells this column that the bullet went straight through the body of DP Halyna Hutchins and into the clavicle of the film’s director Joel Souza.

 

Link: https://www.showbiz411.com/2021/10/22/exclusive-eyewitness-recounts-shooting-on-alec-baldwin-movie-set-one-bullet-ripped-through-both-victims

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

WTF was ANY live ammunition doing on a movie set?  Seriously, there shouldn't have been a bullet even allowed on the premises.

Well remember you're talking Hollywood types here.  Bullet is anything that comes out of the barrel of a gun, and that includes water from a squirt gun.

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1 hour ago, Capt. Squints said:

"Fucking amateurs" ~ Vic Morrow

54 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Nothing to lose your head over, fellas- Vic Morrow. 

I make the jokes about his death as well, but Morrow was actually trying to save those kids. 

 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

I make the jokes about his death as well, but Morrow was actually trying to save those kids. 

 

Yeah, John Landis is the one saying, “Hold my beer!” in the Twilight Zone Movie deaths.

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23 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

"What are you gonna do, stab me?" -Last words of man who was stabbed.

 

Matthew Broderick Jewish GIF

Damnit, thought I was quoting sandman's post about Baldwin purposely firing at them. 

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2 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

Yeah, John Landis is the one saying, “Hold my beer!” in the Twilight Zone Movie deaths.

Landis should have gone to prison. His attitude regarding the entire incident, before and after was disgusting. 

Read the book "Outrageous Conduct".

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And to think De Niro convinced Cimino and Walken that they should use a live round in the Russian roulette scene in the Deer Hunter.

But I've gotta imagine any movie production going forward isn't going to get insurance if there's anything close to live ammunition within 5 miles of the set. CGI that shit.

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Those prop guys know more about guns than almost anyone else I know.  I talked with the guy from 'Appaloosa' and he was just an encyclopedia of old guns, new guns, prop guns, etc.  The steps they take to bring both authenticity and safety to the set is unreal.  If they don't, the movie is out of insurance and they are out of a job. 

I think this may well end up like a Malcom Gladwell chapter.  Where a series of 9 things had to go wrong first, and then the 10th was Alec cracking wise too close with his itchy trigger finger.  Or somebody wanted to be a method actor and wanted real ammunition "because I want to feel the actual weight of a loaded gun in that era."  

Well, Urban, Gruden, Chappelle, and that unvacc'd dude from Wazzou can all breathe easier right now.  Baldwin's gonna do the heavy lifting in the celebrity department from now until Halloween.  What happened?  Will he charged?  Will the movie shut down?  If not, how can people stream it?  Status of the injured?  Alec's public comments?  eTc.

 

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The movie is toast. Saw it was not that big of a production and no way will insurance continue to fund it. I did some work for a film group providing international support and it all came down to insurance. 

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He may not win an Academy Award for this role but Baldwin can take cold comfort that the cinematic device known as Chekhov's gun will renamed for him in perpetuity. 

"Now honey, why would they bother showing that gun at the start of the film unless the pacifist farmer is gonna be driven to use it eventually?  OH SHIT!" 

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1 hour ago, txhorns said:

Seems like if Baldwin fired as part of actual filming he should be fine.  If he was messing around between filming he may be fucked.

he’s not fucked either way. the propmaster and on-set prop guy will take the hit. they’ll never work again.

they typically have shields in the firing line, which tells me this wasn’t during a live take or rehearsal, so prob no footage. 

insurance company will write a check. 

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I'm pretty sure they said it was during a take on a news report this morning.  If that's the case, then it would seem Baldwin wouldn't have much culpability.

I'm on team "sounds like a live round" if in fact one pull of the trigger hit two people.

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2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

If it was a live take, I cannot imagine he did anything wrong. This really sucks for everyone involved.

again, he didn’t do anything wrong either way. once the prop makes it on set, it is considered safe to use and cleared. 

people who prepare prop guns are trained professionals and know more than everyone else. this is on them, nobody else. 

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12 hours ago, Vito Andolini said:

He’s a deeply flawed guy, also a recovering addict, frequent angry guy and once called his then teen daughter a “pig” on a phone call. I’m sure others will criticize him for a myriad of things. 

He's all of those things.  He's also an incredibly generous and charitable man.  When he was doing those credit card commercials, he donated every penny of the millions that he made to the NYU Theater Department. 

When Comedy Central offered him $ 1 million to be "roasted", he said no.  Then, he had dinner with Tony Bennett, heard about a charity that Bennett was working with, and went back to Comedy Central and said "yes", and donated the million to Bennett's charity.  

There are a lot of stories like that.   

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6 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

He's all of those things.  He's also an incredibly generous and charitable man.  When he was doing those credit card commercials, he donated every penny of the millions that he made to the NYU Theater Department. 

When Comedy Central offered him $ 1 million to be "roasted", he said no.  Then, he had dinner with Tony Bennett, heard about a charity that Bennett was working with, and went back to Comedy Central and said "yes", and donated the million to Bennett's charity.  

There are a lot of stories like that.   

You’d have to go back a few posts to get more context on what I wrote, but it’s the Internet, context is mostly lost and I probably did a poor job making my point. I’m an Alec Baldwin fan.

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19 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

So a "prop gun" is a real gun that is loaded with blanks.  In that case, one should never be pointed at any human being.  Fuck Hollywood.

Not always.

 

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