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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I don't KNOW if he should be held civilly liable for his actions/inactions as a producer.  I don't have all the evidence - not even close to it.  I have, however, read enough facts that would support a colorable claim and discovery into the facts and circumstances of the event to determine if he is liable.

This was a small production, and there are allegations that he was aware of sloppiness on the part of the armorer and the handling and prep of weapons.  IF that were true (the "if" is the part you find out in discovery), then yes, he may and perhaps should be found liable for negligence.  Same as if he was aware that his crew was regularly driving around local roads drunk as shit in production vehicles.  Senior personnel can have personal liability if they know of a risky situation and allow it to continue.  If there ends up being any basis for legal consequences against Baldwin, that's where they'll come from.  

Wouldn't supervising those things have to be part of a job description somewhere?

Are the producers and executive producers who were not present on the set because it was not their job (some likely just got fees for finding money or the script) be similarly liable?

If Baldwin's only role as a producer was as part of the creative team (likely) with no responsibilities for anything to do with crew, production management, scheduling, or anything other than developing the story, what would you say his liability might be?

I'm not a lawyer, so the questions are unprejudiced. I do know movie making.

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2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Wouldn't supervising those things have to be part of a job description somewhere?

Are the producers and executive producers who were not present on the set because it was not their job (some likely just got fees for finding money or the script) be similarly liable?

If Baldwin's only role as a producer was as part of the creative team (likely) with no responsibilities for anything to do with crew, production management, scheduling, or anything other than developing the story, what would you say his liability might be?

I'm not a lawyer, so the questions are unprejudiced. I do know movie making.

Bottom line, yes, some supervision/actual knowledge of the circumstances on set would be a necessary element to find someone liable (most likely, presuming NM law is similar to Texas law).  But Baldwin was -- again, by the accounts I've read -- more than just someone who provided funded and developed a story.  He was actively on-set, and was (allegedly) aware of some of the misconduct AND was in a position to do something about it.  Again, facts still to be fully determined.

Producer Jones on the other hand, who provided a traunch of money 2 years back and gets quarterly emails to his office in Hollywood saying "filming is on track," almost certainly has no liability.  It's all about the defendant's awareness of the dangerous condition, and his ability to do something about it.

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Thanks for that, Brisket. I guess courts and juries will ultimately decide, but I still am not convinced that Baldwin had some supervision/actual knowledge of the circumstances on set. He likely had far less specific knowledge of what was going on around the set than a production assistant manning the craft services (snack) table. I doubt he ever did anything supervisory regarding the crew other than to ask for a Diet Coke or ask someone to get out of his eye line.

I wasn't there, so I can't say definitively. 

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Stated perhaps more simply, actors (and other on-set types) generally have knowledge of dangerous set conditions, but no power to change them.

Similarly, producers may have power to change dangerous set conditions, but generally lack knowledge of them.

Baldwin's position as both actor and producer puts him in a unique position that may expose him to civil liability.  Exposure that he wouldn't have if he had been one or the other.

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They're advertising a new reality series featuring Mr. Anger Management, Mrs. Attention Whore and their seven teat clutching children. Just openly wondering what kind of self loathing sub human would be interested in this

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On 3/4/2025 at 6:16 PM, mr. sunshine said:

They're advertising a new reality series featuring Mr. Anger Management, Mrs. Attention Whore and their seven teat clutching children. Just openly wondering what kind of self loathing sub human would be interested in this

Have you seen the Lively/Baldoni thread there are several in there that’d be interested in this show. 

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On 3/4/2025 at 5:16 PM, mr. sunshine said:

They're advertising a new reality series featuring Mr. Anger Management, Mrs. Attention Whore and their seven teat clutching children. Just openly wondering what kind of self loathing sub human would be interested in this

I don’t understand the effort to reintegrate him into Hollywood’s good graces by Lorne Michaels and whomever he knows at WB Discovery. He pointed a gun at a woman, and it went off. If some dumb ass PA did exactly the same thing, he’d be doing time for manslaughter. He should consider himself lucky and withdraw from the public eye. But, I assume he needs money and needs to work so his friends are doing him more favors. 

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On 3/6/2025 at 10:43 AM, billfromlaketravis said:

I don’t understand the effort to reintegrate him into Hollywood’s good graces by Lorne Michaels and whomever he knows at WB Discovery. He pointed a gun at a woman, and it went off. If some dumb ass PA did exactly the same thing, he’d be doing time for manslaughter. He should consider himself lucky and withdraw from the public eye. But, I assume he needs money and needs to work so his friends are doing him more favors. 

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The Ignorance Shield was used throughout this thread. Maybe read the responses.

Negged for distortion and ignorance.

Start a new thread for your derangement syndrome. 

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I mean, if you actually search for articles that interviewed armorer immediately after the incident, they pretty much all said the same thing. It wasn't until after the spin machine got ahold of things that the narrative changed. Regardless, I don't think they should have charged him. 

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