Alec Baldwin Shoots and Kills Cinematographer, Wounds Director

[VirginiaLonghorn 4781]

SIAP … but, it would have been better for everyone involved had Baldwin warmed up with a round of Russian Roulette.

[williemackgarza 1826]

So if the beloved Mr Baldwin, his holiness (not pointing blame, dont want to trigger a certain poster) was practicing the scene why was he pulling the trigger?
The non culpable and innocent Sir Baldwin seems like a pretty good shot, 2 hits and 1 kill with a single blast. Pretty efficient.

[workswithseed 2109]

3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Considering my question was legitimate I'm not sure what medicine you think you're administering.  

I feel that way too when I ask questions here. 

[Deej 76882]

I think they had live ammo on the set in case they needed to take down a raging Alec Baldwin.

[DDD Dad 14346]

4 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I feel that way too when I ask questions here. 

[workswithseed 2109]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

[DDD Dad 14346]

Just now, workswithseed said:

[Captainant 27722]

3 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

 

damn AB for bringing hundreds of rounds of live ammo onto the set!!!! /immortal13

 

but in seriousness, this is crossing into criminal negligence territory to have a whole range trip's worth of ammo on a film set where they're using real-ass guns instead of prop guns. What kind of slapdick operation were they running? I wonder how much exposure AB will have since by all accounts it was his production and show to run. 

[workswithseed 2109]

Just now, DDD Dad said:

Your use made sense though.

[DDD Dad 14346]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

Your use made sense though.

[Jim Ed Love 93]

5 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Yeah that clip of the guy shooting a bunch of different guns looks bad. Good enough for a lot of people, I guess, but creative types tend to be picky.

How did it look that bad?  Serious question? The action of the bolt, the spent cartridge ejection, and the muzzle flash of what looked like an MP5 and an ACR looked good to me, but I only saw the GIF here and did not slow it down.

[henrygandorf 29194]

11 minutes ago, Captainant said:

but in seriousness, this is crossing into criminal negligence territory to have a whole range trip's worth of ammo on a film set where they're using real-ass guns instead of prop guns. What kind of slapdick operation were they running? I wonder how much exposure AB will have since by all accounts it was his production and show to run. 

i said this initially, but i'll repeat that i think this ends with his production company losing whatever deal they had and going away.  i don't think people really grasp the basic idea of what a production company is, but it's not like a regular business and they go away all the time.

i would be absolutely shocked if he faced any personal responsibility here on the civil side, and there's less chance of anything criminal.  maybe some bombshell comes out in the coming days or weeks that will serve as a metaphorical smoking gun, but i doubt it. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

39 minutes ago, williemackgarza said:

So if the beloved Mr Baldwin, his holiness (not pointing blame, dont want to trigger a certain poster) was practicing the scene why was he pulling the trigger?
The non culpable and innocent Sir Baldwin seems like a pretty good shot, 2 hits and 1 kill with a single blast. Pretty efficient.

Can't really practice a quick draw without shooting at the proper time. I mean, it doesn't matter how fast you shuck your gun, if you don't shoot it you're pretty much dead.

[MrBig 5424]

The armorer allegedly pissed off Nicolas Cage on her last film.

According to The Wrap, the 24-year-old rookie was allegedly complained about a lot ... not just by Cage, but by other seasoned people who noticed -- she was out of her element.

As for the supposed NC blowup ... Sharon Waxman reports after the second time in 3 days of Gutierrez-Reed testing a weapon near everyone else unexpectedly, Cage yelled -- "Make an announcement, you just blew my f***ing eardrums out!" Then, he stormed off.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/27/nicolas-cage-yelled-hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust/

[mr. sunshine 2832]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Can't really practice a quick draw without shooting at the proper time. I mean, it doesn't matter how fast you shuck your gun, if you don't shoot it you're pretty much dead.

This and marksmanship. History tells us that most everyone ever involved in a gunfight was really, really fucking drunk

[Nivek 16958]

The armorer allegedly pissed off Nicolas Cage on her last film.

According to The Wrap, the 24-year-old rookie was allegedly complained about a lot ... not just by Cage, but by other seasoned people who noticed -- she was out of her element.

As for the supposed NC blowup ... Sharon Waxman reports after the second time in 3 days of Gutierrez-Reed testing a weapon near everyone else unexpectedly, Cage yelled -- "Make an announcement, you just blew my f***ing eardrums out!" Then, he stormed off.

https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/27/nicolas-cage-yelled-hannah-gutierrez-reed-rust/

Jesus. That alone should have ended her as an armorer.

[Nivek 16958]

So if the beloved Mr Baldwin, his holiness (not pointing blame, dont want to trigger a certain poster) was practicing the scene why was he pulling the trigger?
The non culpable and innocent Sir Baldwin seems like a pretty good shot, 2 hits and 1 kill with a single blast. Pretty efficient.

^Don’t mind this asshole, he was an abused child.

[burntorangebongos 10751]

3 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Can't really practice a quick draw without shooting at the proper time. I mean, it doesn't matter how fast you shuck your gun, if you don't shoot it you're pretty much dead.

 The armorer should have reminded him NOT to pull the trigger in this instance since there was no shield in place to protect the people he was pointing towards. He should have remembered this for himself but them having an incompetent armorer that wasn't even there really was a wild west shitshow. 

 

[immortal13 4059]

So you hire a guy to run your shit that got fired 2 years ago for a gun safety issue. What could go wrong? 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

Nah, he shouldn't have been practicing it at all without safeguards in place. Make a gun with your finger. Stick it down by your waist on the opposite side like where a cross draw holster would be. Now pretend you are drawing it out to point at something in the room. Your finger will point in a nice wide arc accross the room. That is what his gun would be pointing at while making the motion. Now you also have to practice cocking the hammer while drawing it. And your finger pretty much has to be in the trigger gaurd on a Colt Single Action Revolver to maintain control while cocking the hammer, but also because it doesn't do much good to practice the wrong way. Finger on the trigger plus hammer cocked on a single action revolver is a recipe for unintentionally pulling said trigger.

[immortal13 4059]

4 hours ago, Captainant said:

damn AB for bringing hundreds of rounds of live ammo onto the set!!!! /immortal13

 

but in seriousness, this is crossing into criminal negligence territory to have a whole range trip's worth of ammo on a film set where they're using real-ass guns instead of prop guns. What kind of slapdick operation were they running? I wonder how much exposure AB will have since by all accounts it was his production and show to run. 

Funny

[henrygandorf 29194]

2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Make a gun with your finger.

perfect. 

2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

also because it doesn't do much good to practice the wrong way.

wait. 

[Sam Lin 3560]

Maybe he's practicing the fingerbang?

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

This could be simply solved going forward if they would use finger guns and say "pew pew" like we did as kids. No one was harmed in my neighborhood as a result.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

4 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

This could be simply solved going forward if they would use finger guns and say "pew pew" like we did as kids. No one was harmed in my neighborhood as a result.

Pussies !!!!!

[burntorangebongos 10751]

9 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Nah, he shouldn't have been practicing it at all without safeguards in place. Make a gun with your finger. Stick it down by your waist on the opposite side like where a cross draw holster would be. Now pretend you are drawing it out to point at something in the room. Your finger will point in a nice wide arc accross the room. That is what his gun would be pointing at while making the motion. Now you also have to practice cocking the hammer while drawing it. And your finger pretty much has to be in the trigger gaurd on a Colt Single Action Revolver to maintain control while cocking the hammer, but also because it doesn't do much good to practice the wrong way. Finger on the trigger plus hammer cocked on a single action revolver is a recipe for unintentionally pulling said trigger.

I don't know why he would need to practice as though he were working with a gun with bullets. What you are describing is as if though he is going to fire a bullet. He was not. He should be practicing to make it look like he would win a duel with a cross fire draw. He was told "cold gun", which means no blanks that go bang should be in the weapon. That should mean he can get used to the weight of the gun and  even cock it without worry of any bang from a blank. But an armorer and actor would still need to be mindful of the safety of the situation. No shield in place should mean don't point toward people and pull the trigger. This would protect everyone from the Brandon Lee type incident.  

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Pussies !!!!!

Full disclosure. Many were injured. Just not from finger guns. "Kill the guy with the ball" ended when someone went home crying. 

[Guest Lobo]

You told me your finger was a gun! /terrancemann

[Hate 20130]

Baldwin is retweeting posts that direct blame at the AD.  I think it would be wiser of him to just STFU for a while. 

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just heard reporting on NPR as they were discussing this tragic incident baldwin himself said I should’ve checked closer and made sure that the weapon was safe.

interesting even he freaking Recognized some common sense after the fact of course.

 

Which one are you gonna be the first one to call him out and say it wasn’t his responsibility or his job

[Nivek 16958]

Baldwin is retweeting posts that direct blame at the AD.  I think it would be wiser of him to just STFU for a while. 
 

Maybe Alec Baldwin doesn’t have your experience at processing accidental death.

[Nivek 16958]

Just heard reporting on NPR as they were discussing this tragic incident baldwin himself said I should’ve checked closer and made sure that the weapon was safe.
interesting even he freaking Recognized some common sense after the fact of course.
 
Which one are you gonna be the first one to call him out and say it wasn’t his responsibility or his job

He shouldn’t be giving interviews. Yeah, I think going forward he and many others will check all weapons for the next 3 years until this fades from their memories.

That he said he should have checked, underscores how movies are made and how much faith is placed in the armorer.

[Hate 20130]

7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

He shouldn’t be giving interviews. Yeah, I think going forward he and many others will check all weapons for the next 3 years until this fades from their memories.

That he said he should have checked, underscores how movies are made and how much faith is placed in the armorer.

Maybe he didn't have your experience with accidental shootings.

[Michael Knight 12990]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Just heard reporting on NPR as they were discussing this tragic incident baldwin himself said I should’ve checked closer and made sure that the weapon was safe.

interesting even he freaking Recognized some common sense after the fact of course.

 

Which one are you gonna be the first one to call him out and say it wasn’t his responsibility or his job

Are you intentionally this obtuse or are you just a moron?

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

On 10/27/2021 at 10:20 AM, Captainant said:

IMO, Baldwin the actor isn't at fault here. The people responsible for safety on the set told him it was "cold" meaning no blanks or anything in it. 

 

Yeah, and those same people should have made sure that when he was practicing, he was doing it safely.

 

 

I can imagine a scenario where an armorer does his job perfectly, hands a triple-checked gun to an actor, and then the actor starts to check the ammo by taking the clip out and the armorer yells "what the fuck you are doing doing fucking with my gun and ammo, you fucking dipshit? You don't fucking remove a clip that I just triple checked!! Goddamit mother fucker, now I have to recheck everything!!"

 

 

 

 

[Jerry Callo 8715]

11 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Are you intentionally this obtuse or are you just a moron?

Aren't we all just intentionally obtuse morons?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

29 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Are you intentionally this obtuse or are you just a moron?

Once again you prove yourself to be One of the rudest biggest assholes on all surly and that’s saying something

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 hours ago, Jerry Callo said:

Aren't we all just intentionally obtuse morons?

Some are  in class by themselves

See below

Edited October 28, 2021 by Onboard 2.0

[Michael Knight 12990]

9 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Once again you prove yourself to be One of the rudest biggest assholes on all surly and that’s saying something

You're the fucking asshole claiming a grieving Alec Baldwin wishing he could have done something different instead of killing someone somehow validates your political beliefs. Forgive me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming your were just stupid and not actually just a piece of shit. Good job owning the libs as usual.

Edited October 28, 2021 by Michael Knight

[burntorangebongos 10751]

8 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Once again you prove yourself to be One of the rudest biggest assholes on all surly and that’s saying something

Because you were trolling. I will allow it.

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

29 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Aren't we all just intentionally obtuse morons?

Motto

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

You're the fucking asshole claiming a grieving Alec Baldwin wishing he could have done something different instead of killing someone somehow validates your political beliefs. Forgive me for giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming your were just stupid and not actually just a piece of shit. Good job owning the libs as usual.

Wow you manage to add a little bit more to the dumb ass pool every time you post

not even what I was posting in that context.I was pointing out that even Alec Baldwin agreed that he probably should’ve checked behind the person when they already had three safety issues on the set.

 

I’m quite sure he’s grieving as most any person would

I’m sure in that grieving process he’s gone over it in  his head several times and the point that he probably should’ve verified the gun was empty is probably front and center in his Thought process

[burntorangebongos 10751]

One thing that really proves how fucked up this production was is that AB did not question why the AD was handing him the gun and not the armorer. How is that normal? If they disrespected the armorer so much that they were bypassing her even before this event then how could the AD hand over a gun without tripple checking the rounds? How would Alec not be questioning of the cold gun call? 

In hindsight, it seems obvious to be suspicious of the weapon. Damn.

[Dutchrudder 11150]

I think the main question regarding all this is, who brought live ammunition to a movie set, and why was it there?

After that I have a few more questions:

1. Is it normal for a movie set to have some live ammunition available? Is there ever a reason to use live ammunition when shooting a movie?

2.  Who on the Rust movie set knew there was live ammunition available?  Was this common knowledge?

3. Who participated in the target practice they did while working on the movie?  Was it common knowledge among the staff that people were shooting live rounds for fun away from the movie?

4. Did Baldwin or the Assistant Director know about the live rounds being present on/around the movie set? 

5. Are either Baldwin or the AD capable of declaring a gun "cold" or is that duty always supposed to be performed by the armorer? 

 

I think a lot of this is uncommon, and the answers to these questions will result in a lot of finger pointing, with no one really being held accountable for this avoidable death. We shall see, it will be interesting to see what the investigation results are. I have always loved action movies and gun fights, but never really thought much about what all goes into the maintenance and stewardship required to manage all the guns on a big movie set. Sounds like a pretty awesome job, but you gotta be extremely careful, smart, sober and professional to do it right. 

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

This thread is perfectly prepared Top Surloin.

[Augustus 3061]

2 hours ago, Harrison Bergeron said:

This thread is perfectly prepared Top Surloin.

I don't know why it continues to me amaze me that a group of allegedly college educated adults can't discuss/debate anything without behaving like a gaggle of 10-year-olds.  

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

43 minutes ago, Augustus said:

I don't know why it continues to me amaze me that a group of allegedly college educated adults can't discuss/debate anything without behaving like a gaggle of 10-year-olds.  

 

WTF are you doing here man ?

[HornOnTheBayou 8945]

1 hour ago, Augustus said:

I don't know why it continues to me amaze me that a group of allegedly college educated adults can't discuss/debate anything without behaving like a gaggle of 10-year-olds.  

 

That's because you're a poo-poo head.

[Augustus 3061]

50 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

WTF are you doing here man ?

Case studies.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

11 minutes ago, Augustus said:

Case studies.

Can I get a footnote ????