Alec Baldwin Shoots and Kills Cinematographer, Wounds Director

[Deej 76768]

7 minutes ago, freyguy said:

I'm amazed you were able to get this all out as you rubbed one out while sticking your AR up your ass...impressive.

Hope he had good trigger discipline. 

[freyguy 4269]

6 minutes ago, Deej said:

Hope he had good trigger discipline. 

I'm sure he's shootin blanks. 😝

[BrickHorn 18230]

1 hour ago, williemackgarza said:

Dude fat shamed his daughter, pattern of dv, is paid to mock and make fun of other peoples fuck ups.
But now hes supposed to get a break from folks cause it was a tragic accident? But was it?
Fuck that, this is surly. Its what we do.
Karmas a bitch and he just ate that shit all up in her ass.
I feel sorry for these folks that got shot and killed by this piece of shit.
These libs hate evil guns but sure use the shit out of them in their movies to make tons of $, cashing in on americas love/obsession with guns.
Cant wait to see the SNL skit.
Like that would ever happen

What the fuck is with this CR bullshit? Save your dumb, puerile thoughts for a Jordan Klepper interview. 

[Goredho 17401]

7 hours ago, slorch said:

Assumptions are great, ain’t they?  Maybe they are, maybe they ain’t.  Is acting a profession that is exempt from common safety protocols?  It doesn’t seem like it would be, given all of the stunts they perform and different set# they perform on.

I mean, my safety protocol learned from my dad in a duck blind is always assume a gun is loaded and never point it at anyone.  That’s not really applicable to a western movie set, a civil war reenactment or whenever you are acting out violence with a gun.  Obviously someone fucked up and did something they shouldn’t have or didn’t do something they should.  But I don’t think common hunter safety rules can apply to a movie set, unless there are no movies with gun fights between actors in them.

[Helobious 9449]

1 hour ago, williemackgarza said:

These libs hate evil guns but sure use the shit out of them in their movies to make tons of $, cashing in on americas love/obsession with guns.
 

They know there’s a certain segment of the population that is stupid as fuck and eats those types of movies up like candy. Newsflash: you are a part of that segment.

[PRONG HORN 3146]

10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

They know there’s a certain segment of the population that is stupid as fuck and eats those types of movies up like candy. Newsflash: you are a part of that segment.

 

 

Because we all are part of that segment.  America loves the taste of blood and sometimes tragic blood tastes the best.  

 

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

Posted this on the CR thread since I saw it first, but it’s not political, so I’ll post it here:  basically AB is fucked.  

Not only is he a producer, but he also owns the production company behind the movie. 

He was in charge while union workers walked off the job due to safety concerns and scabs were brought on to continue work. 

AB literally owns and operated the company that promoted a culture of ignoring safety protocols in order to speed up production at a lower cost.

So Alec Baldwin owned the company at fault. He held a title of producer, who is ultimately responsible for the safety of the cast and crew, crew that have been walking off set due to unsafe conditions. And he literally fired the shot that killed one of his staff, and it was the third negligent gun discharge of the production.

Edited October 23, 2021 by Xian
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[Deej 76768]

26 minutes ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

 

Because we all are part of that segment.  America loves the taste of blood and sometimes tragic blood tastes the best.  

 

Dibs on "Tragic Blood" for my heavy metal band name. 

[Red Five 40857]

2 hours ago, williemackgarza said:

Cant wait to see the SNL skit.
Like that would ever happen

Oh, you don't think they would do a skit based off a tragic accident where someone died? Yeah probably not. 

[atomheartbevo 89659]

3 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Maybe we wait for the facts to come out before everyone starts taking sides and jumping to conclusions

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/23/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-saturday/index.html

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Hannah Gutierrez, the armorer for the movie, had recently finished work on her first project as head armorer, she said in a September podcast interview. 

Gutierrez was identified as the armorer who "set-up" the prop gun used by Baldwin, according to a search warrant issued by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office Friday. 

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"I was really nervous about it at first," Gutierrez said of working as head armorer on the set of the movie "The Old Way," starring Nicolas Cage. 

"I almost didn't take the job because I wasn't sure if I was ready, but doing it, like it went really smoothly," she said in an interview on the Voices of the West podcast, which is dedicated to the Old West.

"It's really cool... really badass way to start off a really long and cool career, I'm hoping," Gutierrez added. 

 

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Gutierrez said her father, Thell Reed -- a gunsmith, stuntman and armorer -- started passing on his knowledge of guns when she was 16 years old. Though she studied filmmaking and aspired to act, she said, the transition to armorer seemed natural.

"I tried it with dad one time and then I noticed I had a really natural knack for it -- growing up around guns my whole life," Gutierrez said.

Her work as armorer ranges from teaching actors how to wear a gun belt to aiming and shooting, she said.

"I have to like just show them how to hold it straight, make it look like they're aiming at something and also you have to teach them about the recoil," said Gutierrez. 

She added, "These blanks don't really have regular like push back that regular bullets do. In order to make it look more realistic [I] tell the actors to create a little bit of recoil with their wrist."

 

[MrBig 5397]

Alec is fucked. But he’s fucked in a PR and financial liability sense. I doubt he will get the Midnight Rider punishment by the courts.

[C-Man 27222]

Alec is fucked. But he’s fucked in a PR and financial liability sense. I doubt he will get the Midnight Rider punishment by the courts.

Based on what is trickling out, his production company insurance policies will max out and the company will go bye-bye. This will cost him millions, on top of the psychological trauma. He might face a civil lawsuit.

[Eastwood 4394]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

He might face a civil lawsuit.

He will be sued by pretty much everyone on set that day.

[Deej 76768]

10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Based on what is trickling out, his production company insurance policies will max out and the company will go bye-bye. This will cost him millions, on top of the psychological trauma. He might face a civil lawsuit.

[Buzzrock 14920]

Heard on a text thread with some friends that the scene required AB to point the gun at the camera. Anyone else seen that?

[ultimaton 2979]

2 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Heard on a text thread with some friends that the scene required AB to point the gun at the camera. Anyone else seen that?

Sounds like it from the reports that came out today -- cinematographer was behind the camera and the director was behind her.

[Lat22 4014]

You know to avoid this? Don’t point guns at people and pull the trigger. 

[Helobious 9449]

9 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

You know to avoid this? Don’t point guns at people and pull the trigger. 

So don’t make the most popular type of movie in America anymore? 

[mr. sunshine 2824]

The real tragedy would be if this hurts his wife’s career as an attention whore 

[MrBig 5397]

9 minutes ago, mr. sunshine said:

The real tragedy would be if this hurts his wife’s career as an attention whore 

[Hate 20108]

59 minutes ago, Helobious said:

So don’t make the most popular type of movie in America anymore? 

Why perpetuate it if you disagree with it so much?  Shouldn't one have principles.  He could make movies without gun violence, but he chooses not to. 

[OU Sucks 8816]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Gutierrez said her father, Thell Reed -- a gunsmith, stuntman and armorer -- started passing on his knowledge of guns when she was 16 years old. Though she studied filmmaking and aspired to act, she said, the transition to armorer seemed natural.

"I tried it with dad one time and then I noticed I had a really natural knack for it -- growing up around guns my whole life," Gutierrez said.

Her work as armorer ranges from teaching actors how to wear a gun belt to aiming and shooting, she said.

"I have to like just show them how to hold it straight, make it look like they're aiming at something and also you have to teach them about the recoil," said Gutierrez. 

She added, "These blanks don't really have regular like push back that regular bullets do. In order to make it look more realistic [I] tell the actors to create a little bit of recoil with their wrist."

Seems like she was too dumb to get any other job, so dad taught her the one thing he was an expert at to give her some skills.  She makes holding a gun straight sound like rocket surgery.  Imagine how many people she would've really killed on the set of Squid Game.

[Hate 20108]

We still don't know if she did anything wrong.  For all we know at this point, the AD grabbed the wrong gun.  From the reports, she did not give Baldwin the gun.   Now, logic would seem to dictate that there should not have been a "live weapon" there to be chosen, but we really don't know the facts yet.  She may be 100% to blame, but we do not know that yet.

Edited October 24, 2021 by Hate

[0xdeadbeef 1651]

I just can't come up with a plausible way that live ammunition could have gotten in to the gun. I would assume she makes the ammunition herself. Reloading is not hard. She controls how much gunpowder if any, what primer she use, and so on.  All she has to do is bring that ammo and nothing else to the set.  This doesn't seem that hard.  

Seriously, how could this happen? . Did she put her blanks into a box with live ammo to carry it into the set?  Did she make the blanks wrong and create real ammo by accident? 

 

Did somebody else bring a look alike gun on the set?  Is Baldwin too stupid to remember what the prop gun looks like and started using someone's personal EDC? 

I need to know now, my attention span is short!

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by 0xdeadbeef

[Helobious 9449]

53 minutes ago, Hate said:

Why perpetuate it if you disagree with it so much?  Shouldn't one have principles.  He could make movies without gun violence, but he chooses not to. 

I don’t know that he’s ever come out and made any anti-gun statements. Also just because a movie contains guns or gun violence doesn’t mean it endorses it. Schindler’s list showed what the Holocaust was like, that doesn’t mean it was pro Holocaust 

[Gil Bang 25951]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

Why perpetuate it if you disagree with it so much?  Shouldn't one have principles.  He could make movies without gun violence, but he chooses not to. 

Just fucking dumb.  He's made plenty of movies without gun violence. 

6 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I don’t know that he’s ever come out and made any anti-gun statements. Also just because a movie contains guns or gun violence doesn’t mean it endorses it. Schindler’s list showed what the Holocaust was like, that doesn’t mean it was pro Holocaust 

No shit.  The dude making the Rodney King video wasn't exactly promoting police brutality. 

[RPM 26319]

7 hours ago, Hate said:

Why perpetuate it if you disagree with it so much?  Shouldn't one have principles.  He could make movies without gun violence, but he chooses not to. 

You could watch movies without guns, then he wouldn't make them. But, noooo. You gotta watch a shoot 'em up. See how this logic runs?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

Prop master describes the mistakes as he can infer. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8UgCtLk/

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

16 hours ago, Nivek said:

Yeah, not obsessed with celebrity culture at all….

Conservatives are obsessed with gossip culture and celebrities. Their god emperor is a Manhattan socialite and their philosophers weep openly on YouTube about Disney princesses. It's awesome.

[Hate 20108]

You could watch movies without guns, then he wouldn't make them. But, noooo. You gotta watch a shoot 'em up. See how this logic runs?

I don’t really watch movies.

[956 Worldwide 34710]

I’m firmly against putting people’s heads in vises and twisting the handle until their eyes pop out; after reading the logic in this thread I’m gonna have to reconsider ever rewatching Casino since apparently that makes me pro-vise murder. 
 

Also some poor vise safety on that set, never put a head in a vise that you don’t want to squeeze till its eyes pop out; surely they can find a way to shoot around that. 

Edited October 24, 2021 by 956 Worldwide

[Herpa Derpa 6125]

11 hours ago, Hate said:

Shouldn't one have principles.

One should. But as this thread demonstrates; very, very few do. 99% adhere to the singular principle of Me.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

Crazy that a scene would call for the actor to fire a gun directly at the camera, and the crew behind the camera, but there wouldn’t be sufficient safety standards being followed. I also wonder if the recent trend of movies being filmed in more states has led to increased safety lapses.

and don’t reply that Vic Morrow and the 2 child actors were killed in CA so the location doesn’t matter. True and that was 40 years ago.

[Red Five 40857]

11 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Crazy that a scene would call for the actor to fire a gun directly at the camera, and the crew behind the camera, but there wouldn’t be sufficient safety standards being followed.

I've read conflicting info on that. One article said he was pulling the gun out of his holster when it went off. 

[otisdog 365]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Crazy that a scene would call for the actor to fire a gun directly at the camera, and the crew behind the camera, but there wouldn’t be sufficient safety standards being followed. I also wonder if the recent trend of movies being filmed in more states has led to increased safety lapses.

  Good point, and again I have to point out how cheap a 'tier one' budget production is. The DP (director of photography) is usually behind the camera, or their 2nd is. Whoever is back there is normally protected by a 'protection piece' which is a 4 x 10 piece of 3/4" lexan with a hole cut into it for the lens, which hangs from C stands.  The director is usually off to the side, behind a bank of monitors (video village) that capture the images of every camera rolling on the set. The fact that this wasn't the scenario is telling, and I think that these elements not being in place on the set is probably due to budget.

  As to your second point, out of state production has been a big thing for years due to tax incentives, and IATSE, which has strong safety protocols.  casts a wide net in their jurisdiction, so I wouldn't think there is a direct correlation re: safety / out of state production.. The low budget  'tiers' have always been an issue amongst union members...although they pay crap wages, the hours accrued on a low budget show count the same as a normal production, allowing the worker to earn enough hours to  achieve union membership.

Edited October 24, 2021 by otisdog

[MrBig 5397]

This prop guy is great and he is based out of Austin I believe. He talks about what happened on Rust. 
 

 

 

[williemackgarza 1826]

Funny how everyone is so triggered trying to run interference for this pos. Its everyones fault but the guy that was holding the gun, pulled the trigger (allegedly) and owned/paid the filming.

[otisdog 365]

Funny how you think that stating facts is 'running interference'.

[Brisketexan 105121]

Funny how everyone is so triggered trying to run interference for this pos. Its everyones fault but the guy that was holding the gun, pulled the trigger (allegedly) and owned/paid the filming.

I mean….except for the numerous, stacked-up posts like mine above, that postulate that AB is fucked because he was both the trigger man and it all comes back to problems on the set, which look to have been really shitty, and of which he was well aware because he was the producer?

You fuckers love to make up strawmen and then strut around like a badass when you knock them down. All you’ve done is make yourself look pathetic, in full view of everyone.

[bad_teammate 13195]

56 minutes ago, williemackgarza said:

Funny how everyone is so triggered trying to run interference for this pos. Its everyones fault but the guy that was holding the gun, pulled the trigger (allegedly) and owned/paid the filming.

I think the person primarily at fault, from a moral/ethical standpoint, is the armorer or whoever else was deemed responsible for handling weapons on the set. That's common sense, right? If you were to divorce your politics from the situation and just look at it straight, that's the common sense take.

The fact that it's an actor you viscerally hate because of politics shouldn't change your estimation of what happened, but it does because you are fully deranged by cultural and political allegiances and conflict.

I think it's absurd to expect an actor to understand what is going on with the guns. I wouldn't expect Joe Actor to be able to visually tell the difference between a projectile round and a blank. I wouldn't expect Denzel to be able to fly a 747. I wouldn't expect Ryan Gosling to be able to change the spark plugs in a Mustang. They're actors in a world of pretending and make-believe.

It's someone else's job to the change the oil. It's someone else's job to prepare the props. In his role as actor, Baldwin did nothing wrong.

Regarding his role as producer, I have no idea what the actual authority structure was and his involvement in any of those decisions. You don't, either. You have what you WANT to believe because of your aforementioned political and cultural psychosis and fury.

I don't even like Baldwin. I think he's annoying personally. I would rather spend an evening drinking storm runoff out of a culvert than watch SNL. He's been in some amazing movies. He was hilarious in 30 Rock. Whatever, don't care about him.

I've spent my far-too-lengthy life around guns and gun users/owners so this "I DUTIFULLY CHECK EVERY WEAPON I AM HANDED WITH A 20-POINT SAFETY INSPECTION!" is complete horseshit. I've been hunting too many times. I've been shooting too many times. I've been in the back of a buddy's truck heading out to drive the property too many times. I've been to too many competitions (obviously standards are very good at them). You idiots can sell that shit somewhere else.

[Nivek 16928]

Funny how everyone is so triggered trying to run interference for this pos. Its everyones fault but the guy that was holding the gun, pulled the trigger (allegedly) and owned/paid the filming.

So how many times have you tried to jerked off over this young woman’s death? 15 or 20 times?

[DoobieWah 1436]

On 10/22/2021 at 10:50 AM, henrygandorf said:

again, he didn’t do anything wrong either way. once the prop makes it on set, it is considered safe to use and cleared. 

people who prepare prop guns are trained professionals and know more than everyone else. this is on them, nobody else. 

Wrong. He pointed a loaded weapon at two people and pulled the trigger. 

That violates every principal of firearm safety. 

He thought it was a safe prop. It was not. He definitely did something wrong and " But I'm just an actor" should not be considered a defense. 

[956 Worldwide 34710]

“Actors shouldn’t be having fake gunfights on set” has to be the dumbest take on the internet. 

[jimmyjazz 45915]

5 minutes ago, DoobieWah said:

Wrong. He pointed a loaded weapon at two people and pulled the trigger. 

That violates every principal of firearm safety. 

He thought it was a safe prop. It was not. He definitely did something wrong and " But I'm just an actor" should not be considered a defense. 

That's ridiculous.  In the context of a film set, the armorer assumes the role of ensuring safety.  It's just not practical to expect actors to check a prop weapon for a lack of live rounds.  That check should have been performed immediately prior to being handed the gun.  It's a unique situation, completely different from a hunting lease or a gun range.

[jimmyjazz 45915]

And, I might add, the DP and director also assumed some risk when they staged a shot that placed themselves directly in the line of "fire" of a prop gun.

[Nivek 16928]

BT,

All I have to do is look up at the American Shooting Center range to know how well people are about gun safety.

I also went hunting in NE Texas and I was with some other guys, and we saw a huge hog on the side of the road, he asked me to shoot it. I told him I am left handed, as a passenger in a truck and my rifle is unloaded because we are traveling to the blinds. It made me wonder as to how other people travelled with their guns.

[Nivek 16928]

“Actors shouldn’t be having fake gunfights on set” has to be the dumbest take on the internet. 

Do you ever shoot?
I have seen people shoot and what they aim at isn’t what they are hitting.

Secondly, this could very well be what the director wanted, and seeing the barrel of a gun isn’t an uncommon thing in a movie.

You are projecting and seeing what you want to see, not what happened.

[0xdeadbeef 1651]

14 minutes ago, DoobieWah said:

Wrong. He pointed a loaded weapon at two people and pulled the trigger. 

That violates every principal of firearm safety. 

He thought it was a safe prop. It was not. He definitely did something wrong and " But I'm just an actor" should not be considered a defense. 

 

Either that or you are really, really, stupid.

 

[956 Worldwide 34710]

14 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Do you ever shoot?
I have seen people shoot and what they aim at isn’t what they are hitting.

Secondly, this could very well be what the director wanted, and seeing the barrel of a gun isn’t an uncommon thing in a movie.

You are projecting and seeing what you want to see, not what happened.

I do and…I think I am on your side here? Maybe you quoted the wrong post. Slam Baldwin for the hire or not firing her after other incidents, but the gun safety take is bullshit 

[956 Worldwide 34710]

There are hundreds of accidental shooting deaths among children per year caused by a failure of gun safety among 2nd Amendment enthusiasts. Any attempts to mandate child safety locks or storage requirements in homes are met with howls of protests. But it’s Hollywood movies that have an issue with gun safety.