NCAA Hoops 2021-22

[Pancho 45479]

He was always going to Seton Hall.  That deal was locked up weeks ago, per the beat writers I personally think are in the know.

[Tommy Nobis 905]

Poor aggys

[shadow_operative 15932]

[LTtxfan 49405]

 

[Blotto 23705]

 

https://butlersports.com/news/2022/4/3/mens-basketball-thad-matta-returns-to-the-sidelines-to-lead-butler-mens-basketball-program.aspx

Somehow I had forgot (or never knew) he coached at Butler for a season before Xavier).

[Sbbruin 21912]

Well this does my heart good. I fucking love Jaime. Just a hard nosed badass.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Sbbruin

[WhatTheBuck 28837]

On 4/3/2022 at 5:03 PM, Blotto said:

 

https://butlersports.com/news/2022/4/3/mens-basketball-thad-matta-returns-to-the-sidelines-to-lead-butler-mens-basketball-program.aspx

Somehow I had forgot (or never knew) he coached at Butler for a season before Xavier).

And Sean Miller is back at Xavier. He was Matta’s assistant and took over when Thad left for tOSU. I’m looking forward to the Butler-Xavier games. 

[Michael Knight 13049]

lol wat

 

[WhatTheBuck 28837]

10 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

lol wat

 

Transfer up, go somewhere and get paid?

[Js1 85760]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Transfer up, go somewhere and get paid?

Yep, pretty much 100% $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Pancho 45479]

Rumors heavy on twitter that Jay Wright is leaning towards retirement. 

Being reported by some well know (credible and correct) CBB sources.

 

I trust these 2:

 

 

 

[Js1 85760]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Rumors heavy on twitter that Jay Wright is leaning towards retirement. 

Being reported by some well know (credible and correct) CBB sources.

 

[Sbbruin 21912]

Wow, Wright was ready to take the mantle as the top dog in CBB.  60 and loaded.  I'd think about it too.

[Js1 85760]

 

[ztejas 43746]

Wow.

[PittsburghTiger 6240]

38 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Wow.

That’s an understatement 

[ztejas 43746]

Just now, PittsburghTiger said:

That’s an understatement 

Wonder if he has something health related? Hoping not. Some guys just walk away earlier I guess. 

[PittsburghTiger 6240]

6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Wonder if he has something health related? Hoping not. Some guys just walk away earlier I guess. 

I was just coming back to say I hope it’s not something bad. I’ve always liked him and enjoyed watching his teams play.

['stache 21907]

He banged a coed didn’t he, that’s where my cynical mind goes.

Edited April 21, 2022 by 'stache

[MNLonghornFUKM 8916]

Wow, Wright was ready to take the mantle as the top dog in CBB.  60 and loaded.  I'd think about it too.

Sounds like something a lakers fan without a head coach would say.

We know your mind games

[Blotto 23705]

If I could pick the coach to lead Texas hoops, he would be my guy. I'm not in anyway displeased with Beard, rather I just think that highly of Wright.

[Message Board User 12397]

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

reminder: when Patterson fired Barnes, the consensus among Texas fans was that Texas was too good for Jay Wright.  easy how quickly people forget. 

edit: take a trip down memory lane and remember what Wright's teams had been up to before he won his first title:

Wright was considered a perennial underachiever in the Tourney, and Texas fans (sadly, myself included) felt that we could/should do better than going after Jay Wright. just a reminder that most of the time, we don't don't know wtf we're talking about. 😂 

 

double edit: same with Dabo Swinney when Mack got canned. we all thought he was beneath Texas. not that he was a realistic replacement, but his name was brought up and then summarily shot down by the UT message board fan base. now we'd all give a pinky or two to have had him be Mack's replacement. just another reminder that predicting how a coach will fare (let's say the top 25% of coaches in each sport) is a fool's errand. it's easy to predict that shitty coaches will be shitty. it's damned hard to determine the ceiling of a good coach. Wright (and Tony Bennett) went from being Rick Barnes to Dean Smith overnight. that's why you've got to stick with your guy once you've got him. 

Edited April 21, 2022 by shadow_operative

[Pancho 45479]

Really?

I remember it being the opposite—90% of Texas fans/message board fans actually wanted Wright and thought he needed a place like Texas to achieve great things and would be a hand-in-glove type of fit.  But people thought Wright thought less of Texas because of our culture surrounding basketball and how we viewed football first. 

I also remember there never being any indication of Wright and Texas talking as it was all just message board fandom.  

I never got the sense that Texas fans thought we were too good for Wright. 

I did, however, say “absolutely not” to Dabo because of his Jesus pushing. 

[shadow_operative 15932]

yeah, i remember a lot of people saying that Wright would just be more of Barnes, a guy who couldn't win in the tourney. a year later and he wins the whole thing. 

[Bartles 769]

Wright responded to the one-and-done environment by making sure his team was stocked with multi-year players who fit his system. He may have decided that keeping it going with the double-whammy of NIL and transfer portal aren't worth the effort after what he's accomplished. Looks like they're trying to emulate the K-Scheyer plan where you plug in the young assistant and hope the strength of the brand carries on.

(I have to grudgingly admit, Ohio State FB is probably the best example; OU had it until Riley bailed on them)

[LTtxfan 49405]

28 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Wright responded to the one-and-done environment by making sure his team was stocked with multi-year players who fit his system. He may have decided that keeping it going with the double-whammy of NIL and transfer portal aren't worth the effort after what he's accomplished. Looks like they're trying to emulate the K-Scheyer plan where you plug in the young assistant and hope the strength of the brand carries on.

(I have to grudgingly admit, Ohio State FB is probably the best example; OU had it until Riley bailed on them)

Yeah, college coaching is becoming more of a younger Head Coach's game with NIL and transfer portal -- the job has become more time consuming and more difficult for sustained success especially at most smaller schools.  

[closetojumping 63156]

11 hours ago, shadow_operative said:

reminder: when Patterson fired Barnes, the consensus among Texas fans was that Texas was too good for Jay Wright.  easy how quickly people forget. 

edit: take a trip down memory lane and remember what Wright's teams had been up to before he won his first title:

Wright was considered a perennial underachiever in the Tourney, and Texas fans (sadly, myself included) felt that we could/should do better than going after Jay Wright. just a reminder that most of the time, we don't don't know wtf we're talking about. 😂 

 

double edit: same with Dabo Swinney when Mack got canned. we all thought he was beneath Texas. not that he was a realistic replacement, but his name was brought up and then summarily shot down by the UT message board fan base. now we'd all give a pinky or two to have had him be Mack's replacement. just another reminder that predicting how a coach will fare (let's say the top 25% of coaches in each sport) is a fool's errand. it's easy to predict that shitty coaches will be shitty. it's damned hard to determine the ceiling of a good coach. Wright (and Tony Bennett) went from being Rick Barnes to Dean Smith overnight. that's why you've got to stick with your guy once you've got him. 

Ok, Derka, get your shit together. Plenty of people would have jumped for fucking joy if Texas had landed Wright. There were a lot of people who actually didn't think he could be lured away from Villanova. You're painting with a very large brush on the whole "no one wanted Wright at Texas bullshit". Sorry.

Worse, your fucking Swinney take is dead wrong, you should rescind it, and you should feel bad for posting it. Just fucking laughably wrong there. Clemson had already been to 2 Orange Bowls under Swinney and won the one in the same season Brown was shitcanned. They were second fiddle in the ACC behind FSU at the time, and FSU won the fucking title that year or the year before so there was no shame in Clemson's performance. 

All of college football laughed when Swinney was hired full time after replacing Tommy Bowden during the season years earlier. By 2013? Swinney was viewed by damned near everyone as in ascent. 

Texas went after Saban hard. Mack Brown, Joe Jamail, and some big money donors running their mouths early ruined that deal. From there, the choices were reduced to a few options and Strong was chosen. Plenty of fans would have been ecstatic to get Swinney by the end of that bowl season. Come on. 

25 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Wright responded to the one-and-done environment by making sure his team was stocked with multi-year players who fit his system. He may have decided that keeping it going with the double-whammy of NIL and transfer portal aren't worth the effort after what he's accomplished. Looks like they're trying to emulate the K-Scheyer plan where you plug in the young assistant and hope the strength of the brand carries on.

(I have to grudgingly admit, Ohio State FB is probably the best example; OU had it until Riley bailed on them)

Ohio State's amazingly long run of CFB coaching hire success can hardly be attributed to grooming bright assistants and hiring them up. Earl Bruce, I guess, kind of qualifies but not really. Then Luke Fickell was a bust there for a one year emergency fill in. Urban Meyer builds a fucking machine and Day inherited it and has done well. Cooper, Tressel, Meyer - none of those guys fit the assistant grooming narrative. 

[Js1 85760]

44 minutes ago, Bartles said:

Wright responded to the one-and-done environment by making sure his team was stocked with multi-year players who fit his system. He may have decided that keeping it going with the double-whammy of NIL and transfer portal aren't worth the effort after what he's accomplished. Looks like they're trying to emulate the K-Scheyer plan where you plug in the young assistant and hope the strength of the brand carries on.

(I have to grudgingly admit, Ohio State FB is probably the best example; OU had it until Riley bailed on them)

Yeah, when people were speculating health or a coed, I didn't believe it.  The whole CBB coaching environment has changed with NIL and the portal on top of one and dones.  Adapt and get dirty, die and get fired or walk away with your millions and enjoy your life and kids/grandkids. 

Good for Jay Wright.  

We all know the real reason though - the introduction and adoption of casual dress on the sidelines.   It probably killed him inside.

[dcar00 14609]

the free agent transfer portal really is the "death knell" for some coaches.  the one and done thing wasn't nearly as big a problem as this.  you could add a one and done to a group of seasoned vets into your program and it might get you a FF or even NC.  now you are rebuilding your roster every year because the Tre Mitchell's and Devin Askew's of the world want 30 minutes a game AND the ball.

['stache 21907]

22 hours ago, dcar00 said:

the free agent transfer portal really is the "death knell" for some coaches.  the one and done thing wasn't nearly as big a problem as this.  you could add a one and done to a group of seasoned vets into your program and it might get you a FF or even NC.  now you are rebuilding your roster every year because the Tre Mitchell's and Devin Askew's of the world want 30 minutes a game AND the ball.

For old guys who have put in the time sure, retirement makes sense. I get tired of coaches bitching about these changes and the work it requires. These guys make more in a year than most of us will in a lifetime. I think it’s okay to expect that it’s a hard as shit job. Deal with it and quit your bitching, or retire, or coach at a lower level with lower pay and less difficulties. These changes are the right thing to do, the players are people, not commodities, locking them down and denying them compensation was never going to be sustainable.

[dcar00 14609]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

For old guys who have put in the time sure, retirement makes sense. I get tired of coaches bitching about these changes and the work it requires. These guys make more in a year than most of us will in a lifetime. I think it’s okay to expect that it’s a hard as shit job. Deal with it and quit your bitching, or retire, or coach at a lower level with lower pay and less difficulties. These changes are the right thing to do, the players are people, not commodities, locking them down and denying them compensation was never going to be sustainable.

okaaaay. where did I say coaches should be bitching. I just said it will be more difficult because your roster can turnover completely.  I think they should get rid of the year sit penalty and you can transfer mid season and play.  why should they be locked down like that?  I can quit my job and go work the next day for someone else. why can't Tre Mitchell?

Devin Askew and Tre Mitchell are commodities, though.

['stache 21907]

23 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

okaaaay. where did I say coaches should be bitching. I just said it will be more difficult because your roster can turnover completely.  I think they should get rid of the year sit penalty and you can transfer mid season and play.  why should they be locked down like that?  I can quit my job and go work the next day for someone else. why can't Tre Mitchell?

Devin Askew and Tre Mitchell are commodities, though.

You didn't, I was just adding to the conversation. Players don't have to sit a year for their first transfer through the portal. I'm not sure I agree with midseason transfers. Academics get too complicated and you can't have guys traded in March for tourney runs, or if they did, it would need to be closely governed like in pro sports. There are real jobs out there that don't allow you to quit and move on to a competitor the next day, including pro sports. If you're under contract you can quit but you can't play for another team until you are released from the contract or it expires. 

[dcar00 14609]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

You didn't, I was just adding to the conversation. Players don't have to sit a year for their first transfer through the portal. I'm not sure I agree with midseason transfers. Academics get too complicated and you can't have guys traded in March for tourney runs, or if they did, it would need to be closely governed like in pro sports. There are real jobs out there that don't allow you to quit and move on to a competitor the next day, including pro sports. If you're under contract you can quit but you can't play for another team until you are released from the contract or it expires. 

are they signing a non-compete?  are they under a contract?  are we really concerned with academics?  These players are not commodities. they should be able to move freely whenever they want and play whenever and wherever they want.  assuming someone wants them to play.

Edited April 22, 2022 by dcar00

['stache 21907]

20 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

are they signing a non-compete?  are they under a contract?  are we really concerned with academics?  These players are not commodities. they should be able to move freely whenever they want and play whenever and wherever they want.  assuming someone wants them to play.

Yes, they sign a scholarship contract. Not sure if they're worded like non-competes, but pro athletes cannot quit and play for another team while under contract. I'm with you on not being treated like commodities, but this is a rule that applies in the real world to real people, most notably in the closest analogy of pro sports. I do think that sitting out a year should never apply. If you want to play for four different schools over four years, I can't think of a reason they shouldn't be allowed to do so. The difference obviously is that scholarships are year to year and not long term like in the pros.

Edited April 22, 2022 by 'stache

[dcar00 14609]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yes, they sign a scholarship contract. Not sure if they're worded like non-competes, but pro athletes cannot quit and play for another team while under contract. I'm with you on not being treated like commodities, but this is a rule that applies in the real world to real people, most notably in the closest analogy of pro sports. I do think that sitting out a year should never apply. If you want to play for four different schools over four years, I can't think of a reason they shouldn't be allowed to do so. The difference obviously is that scholarships are year to year and not long term like in the pros.

that rule doesn't apply to everyone and only applies when you have a non compete(which are mostly unenforceable anyway).  why should it apply to them?  so what if pro sports has it.  that is negotiated through the CBA.  why should your idea of the "limit" be their idea of the "limit" or the coaches idea of the "limit"?

['stache 21907]

12 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

that rule doesn't apply to everyone and only applies when you have a non compete(which are mostly unenforceable anyway).  why should it apply to them?  so what if pro sports has it.  that is negotiated through the CBA.  why should your idea of the "limit" be their idea of the "limit" or the coaches idea of the "limit"?

One limitation is that, while we often laugh off the "academic" side of college athletics, there is a basic rule that you at least have to be enrolled, and colleges don't let you enroll mid-semester (there might be exceptions but I doubt there is one for athletes). Maybe someday they'll sever that tie-in and make the sports teams basically semi-pros who use campus facilities with enrollment being optional, but that's not how it's set up now, so that alone would limit mid-semester transfers regardless of contracts or non-competes.

Edited April 22, 2022 by 'stache

[LTtxfan 49405]

 

[Js1 85760]

Seems like 2022-2023 should be the last year for us then.  Someone needs to give OU the money so we can all bail after 2023. 

14-team conference for 2 years will be a mess in all sports.  Just get the fuck out. 

[PittsburghTiger 6240]

2025/26?

that's crazy.

[Js1 85760]

31 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

2025/26?

that's crazy.

That was the announced date. Our dear departed friend Lobo said his university bigwig buds felt like 2023 was going to be the move date

[SL Xpress 7518]

8 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That was the announced date. Our dear departed friend Lobo said his university bigwig buds felt like 2023 was going to be the move date

Yeah, I foresee this being the last year of Texas playing in the Big 12. 

[Js1 85760]

 

[Herpa Derpa 6160]

I'm sure the kid has the ability to take the matter to court against a billionaire, Stewart.

Stewart Mandel is a thoughtful commentator, in theory.

[RockyMountainHighHorn 896]

Who would have thought jai Lucas was the center of this whole thing? Sheeesh did we fumble that? Feels like we did but what could we have done?

[Js1 85760]

Juwan mad TJ Shannon couldn’t end up at UM (Illinois instead) and his players are taking it out on Mark Adams

 

[Brian Fantana 6708]

It's so weird. The whole thing started because his family wanted him to be back in the Chicago area, seems natural that Illinois is the choice?

[Guest]

Sounds more like Howard didn't get his way, and continues to be a bitch about life in general.

Mark Adams' record on the people side is pretty fucking decent, and that's low-balling the hell out of it.

[Js1 85760]

Mark Adams is a saint and cures cancer. We know. No way he’d ever play dirty or do wrong! 

He’s still not going to fuck you, Slorch

[Brian Fantana 6708]

What I don't get is, we supposedly blocked him from transferring to one B1G school but were just fine with him going to another? How does that make any sense and why would Tech care?