Do we have a McAullife vs. Younkin thread?

[gmr548 16517]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

If NOVA is at a slight increase from 2017 turnout Ds could eek out a close win. VA was D+9, about 275k votes, in 2017. That's a relatively big gap. R's need to get 125 percent of the raw vote total they got in 2917 just to hit the mark Ds got in that election. If NOVA is at or slightly above 2017 levels, I am not sure there are enough R votes out there, even if red counties end up with a 25-30 percent turnout increase, because that's not converting to votes at a 1:1 ratio.

tl;dr - I have no idea what to expect, but seeing Charlottesville (small college town) down is less worrying when NOVA (biggest population center and Democratic stronghold) is not.

I probably just guaranteed a Republican win though.

Edited November 2, 2021 by gmr548

[Homercles 10205]

Per a prior comment on ineffectual Dems…and this may not be the right thread for it…but the part that I consistently see in the news about Dems failing to make progress is due almost solely to Manchin and Sienna.  
 

Someone tell me how that’s not true

[956 Worldwide 34444]

4 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Per a prior comment on ineffectual Dems…and this may not be the right thread for it…but the part that I consistently see in the news about Dems failing to make progress is due almost solely to Manchin and Sienna.  
 

Someone tell me how that’s not true

It’s true in a sense but it’s also missing a larger picture. The Dems would likely have a lot of what they wanted if Manchin and Sinema were more traditional Democrats, let alone Progressives.

But in the larger picture, if Manchin was a traditional Democrat, he wouldn’t be the Senator from West Virginia. Some Republican would and the Democrats would be making even LESS progress. Probably also true of Sinema and Arizona, but not quite as obvious and a closer run thing. Arizona is not solidly blue and Sinema won on a pretty centrist ticket. 
 

 

[StruggleBus 3922]

I’m trying to care about the Virginia governor race. But I don’t. Results will be forgotten by end of week. 

[Pancho 44487]

 

[RomaVicta 29794]

Our electorate is getting worse. All the casual observers who thought Biden's victory was an end to the insanity are about to have another think.

I knew the problems weren't over, but I really didn't expect the contagion to spread and grow stronger among the Trumpists and GOP hangers_on. That's one hell of a hate engine they built. Malignant and addictive.

Forty years of the radio gods and the growing moron chorus.

It's fucking bad.

[RomaVicta 29794]

18 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

I’m trying to care about the Virginia governor race. But I don’t. Results will be forgotten by end of week. 

You're identifying the problem. Few understand what the republic is or that it takes involvement to make it work. You know, boring shit.

I doubt very many people outside of the national TV news and Virginia even care tonight. I'm not on the edge of my seat about the outcome. The demoralizing part is that it's even a contest.

I guess it may be even more demoralizing that this won't bother anybody a week from now.

The electorate is submitting through indifference, inaction, or blind loyalty to the Red Team colors.

[RDCanecutter 26282]

2 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

I've been observing this as an outsider because I forgot I'm probably moving to Alexandria in a few months. Fuck!

Do it right and move to Old Town.

[henrygandorf 29177]

43 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

the growing moron chorus.

surly slogan-worthy.

[tantric superman 4667]

49 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Our electorate is getting worse. All the casual observers who thought Biden's victory was an end to the insanity are about to have another think.

I knew the problems weren't over, but I really didn't expect the contagion to spread and grow stronger among the Trumpists and GOP hangers_on. That's one hell of a hate engine they built. Malignant and addictive.

Forty years of the radio gods and the growing moron chorus.

It's fucking bad.

There are lots of younger folks in my neighborhood, and the last two conversations I've had with some of them to me represent a significant dumbing down.  I think people in their 30s and early 40s are savvy as fuck and now shit loads of stuff, but they don't seem to be particularly interested in trying to understand an issue even to the level of a newspaper article. 

Nobody gives a fuck what the repercussions of political decisions are.  There's just no fucking time, or reason, to understand what those repercussions are.

[Mdhorn 5911]

53 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

You're identifying the problem. Few understand what the republic is or that it takes involvement to make it work. You know, boring shit.

I doubt very many people outside of the national TV news and Virginia even care tonight. I'm not on the edge of my seat about the outcome. The demoralizing part is that it's even a contest.

I guess it may be even more demoralizing that this won't bother anybody a week from now.

The electorate is submitting through indifference, inaction, or blind loyalty to the Red Team colors.

Elections have consequences.  

[Mdhorn 5911]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s true in a sense but it’s also missing a larger picture. The Dems would likely have a lot of what they wanted if Manchin and Sinema were more traditional Democrats, let alone Progressives.

But in the larger picture, if Manchin was a traditional Democrat, he wouldn’t be the Senator from West Virginia. Some Republican would and the Democrats would be making even LESS progress. Probably also true of Sinema and Arizona, but not quite as obvious and a closer run thing. Arizona is not solidly blue and Sinema won on a pretty centrist ticket. 
 

 

She's not centrist at all, and Manchin hasn't done shit for the Dems.  In fact, if Youngkin wins, I give it a week or two when he bails to the Republican brand.  Be proactive and boot their asses now, and call them out publicly for why.  Again, don't let them control the message.  I totally expect this all to fail because it's what the Dems do.  

[Mdhorn 5911]

3 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

based on what i've heard and read, there are 2 ways the dems lose this election:

1) a bunch of biden/dem voters decided to vote r

2) gop enthusiasm/turnout way up - dem turnout way down

i choose to believe option 1 is make-believe and option 2 is the way youngkin wins.  i get it, it's off year, bad campaign by dems, etc.  in a blue state, which virginia is, bigger turnout is always going to be better for the blue team.

No way dems could not give a shit about this election season with what they've been harangued with both on the radio and on tv.  You either care or you don't.  We can't be this shortsighted after this past 4 years of douchebaggery, and all the shit that continues to ooze out from that administration.  

[SydneyCarton 47884]

1 minute ago, Mdhorn said:

No way dems could not give a shit about this election season with what they've been harangued with both on the radio and on tv.  You either care or you don't.  We can't be this shortsighted after this past 4 years of douchebaggery, and all the shit that continues to ooze out from that administration.  

And yet…This is America. 

[Mdhorn 5911]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

And yet…This is America. 

Apathetic after a 4 year long national crime spree.  It's maddening, but expected.  We'll all just look disgusted without doing anything to prevent it again. 

[Pancho 44487]

This one looks about over based on Wasserman's latest tweets. 

[SydneyCarton 47884]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

This one looks about over based on Wasserman's latest tweets. 

Poor form to not link them sir.

[Pancho 44487]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Poor form to not link them sir.

too many

Basically Youngkin outperforming in the areas Terry needed to do well in. 

[SubliminalHorn 6674]

According to Wasserman, basically Youngkin’s doing very very well. Democrats are in for a bloodbath next year. 

[Pancho 44487]

Wasserman has called it for Youngkin.

[SubliminalHorn 6674]

Maybe this will light a fire under democrats 

 

 

😂

[Gengs1 2583]

21 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

this is america. 

Behind the Bastards podcast on Koch Brothers, Robert brought up how the Koch foundation put in a lot $$& on focus groups on how to get the ppl riled up and voting R, they also scared the suburbs voters back to R.

 A good listen if you have time to kill, a 2 parter 

 

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-charles-koch-the-luke-29710683/

[henrygandorf 29177]

2 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

how to get the ppl riled up and voting R

it doesn't take much.

[Bateshorn 9905]

We are a Jeffersonian republic of metaphorical “yeoman” farmers, which TJ said as a capital owner. Watching working class whites coming pouring out of the wood work to vote for candidate who will spend his 4 years advancing the causes of the Capitol owning class while playing up newsworthy “social strife” issues just confers that. The rich dads in Loudoun and Henrico who went back to the GOP after 2020 I get, they were just returning to the fold.  All the random poors in the sticks who voted for Glenn Youngkin who will literally never think about again….

 

Thomas Jefferson understood both the people and the overlord class in this country better than most people today.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Bateshorn

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2059]

i'm zen about this.  i suppose ordinary republicans don't offend me too much when trump isn't around. 

[SubliminalHorn 6674]

Do the Democrats have a supermajority in the legislature? If so, they should do what the GQP would do, pass legislation effectively neutering Youngkin

[Bateshorn 9905]

2 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Do the Democrats have a supermajority in the legislature? If so, they should do what the GQP would do, pass legislation effectively neutering Youngkin

They have barely a majority, and could lose it tonight 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Do it right and move to Old Town.

Right next to Bowman Brothers distillery.  Great bourbon 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Youngkin is gonna take it and the state is moving a bit more back to the red zone.  That’s according to state polls and some legal sources who rep many of the politicos in state and DC

[Firemans4Horn 17834]

Mcauliffe was as low-t as they get but with 10 months of Democratic control of President-Congress-senate and jack shit to show for it 2022 is shaping up to be a bloodbath for democrats. 

[alincoln 2364]

Worst performance by a McAuliffe since 1986

[Bateshorn 9905]

4 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Mcauliffe was as low-t as they get but with 10 months of Democratic control of President-Congress-senate and jack shit to show for it 2022 is shaping up to be a bloodbath for democrats. 

The limpest of limp dicks.

 

Having said that, this is a terrible night for Dems. And Biden carries that weight. 

[Firemans4Horn 17834]

4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

And Biden carries that weight. 

From an executive order perspective: yes

from a “return to normal” Bi-partisan Joe perspective: no. Sinema/Melendez/manchin are sinking that ship

Edited November 3, 2021 by Firemans4Horn

[Biff Tannen 45499]

Awesome. Good work all around. Can’t wait for the next two elections. Sane people are fucked. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Our electorate is getting worse. All the casual observers who thought Biden's victory was an end to the insanity are about to have another think.

I knew the problems weren't over, but I really didn't expect the contagion to spread and grow stronger among the Trumpists and GOP hangers_on. That's one hell of a hate engine they built. Malignant and addictive.

Forty years of the radio gods and the growing moron chorus.

It's fucking bad.

The American electorate as a whole is fucking ignorant.  It is disgusting.  

However, why did the Dems trot out McAuliffe?  He is tired and had a TON of baggage.  Where is the bench?  

Look at leaders around the world.  Macron is my age (43), the PMs of Finland and New Zealand are younger than 40.  Why does the US trend towards old, white, and male?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

Just now, Bravo said:

so you want young white males?

No, I want young people who represent the people.  Old White Males are not the fucking answer.  And to keep trotting them out there is fucking stupid.  You have to build your bench, and the bench should look like the people you represent.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

1 minute ago, Bravo said:

so you want young white males?

FYI, the PMs of Finland and New Zealand are women who are younger than 40.

[Pancho 44487]

1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Do the Democrats have a supermajority in the legislature? If so, they should do what the GQP would do, pass legislation effectively neutering Youngkin

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Should be good for Brandon’s agenda.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, Bravo said:

I know but Macron is young white male and theyre all white.

Not a lot of sisters in New Zealand.  

Edited November 3, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[Bateshorn 9905]

10 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

From an executive order perspective: yes

from a “return to normal” Bi-partisan Joe perspective: no. Sinema/Melendez/manchin are sinking that ship

Then he should have spent a bit more time obsessing about the Afghanistan withdrawal, instead of fobbing it off on State and the Pentagon.

[CooterBrown 17913]

Worst performance by a McAuliffe since 1986

[alincoln 2364]

5 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

No, I want young people who represent the people.  Old White Males are not the fucking answer.  And to keep trotting them out there is fucking stupid. 

This is the deep analysis of the merits of political candidates we should demand.  

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

4 minutes ago, Bravo said:

I know but Macron is young white male and theyre all white.

And Finland is mostly white.  Not sure about New Zealand.  France is more diverse, but still a shitload of white people.  Being white isn't a disqualifier.  However, when you look at the US Government, and a lot of state governments, they are most definitely NOT representative of the people they are supposed to represent.  It is absolutely disgusting that the United States has not had a female president when more than half of this country is female.

[alincoln 2364]

Old white man Bernie was a legitimate change agent but fuck old white men.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

4 minutes ago, Bravo said:

I just thought it a funny post was talking about old white people and examples were 3 white people and 1 man. 

You are a troll.  Good luck with that.

[Fastbreak 3959]

It’s not like the GOP led a coup attempt within the past year…

America is fucked. The country is Nebraska football. It will never be “back.”

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2059]

19 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Worst performance by a McAuliffe since 1986

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

2 minutes ago, alincoln said:

This is the deep analysis of the merits of political candidates we should demand.  

Unfortunately, a candidate that looks like them is what motivates some people to vote.  I wish most voters actually listened to positions and were smart enough to understand them, but they are not.  We are in the dumbest fucking timeline.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

1 minute ago, alincoln said:

Old white man Bernie was a legitimate change agent but fuck old white men.