Kyle Rittenhouse

[tx 3 putt 76295]

there's a difference between being a patriot to this country and being a patriot to your cause

[elfenix 34169]

2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Lol. The DT circle jerk has moved on over to the cloak room. Do you guys coordinate and wear the same color shirts when you all post at the same time? 

maybe they'll stay here and keep the politics out of DT

 

[ousuxndallas 65]

That's hilarious but I think the whole case hinges on what led up to rosenbaum (1st victim/attacker) getting shot. From what I understand this is also where we have the least video evidence..?
 

Here's some video footage of Rosenbaum chasing after Kyle Rittenhouse. Shows the exact moment when Kyle turns and fires.

[B00M 6280]

Well that's not what I was picturing based on the testimony... But chasing somebody that has a rifle? Dude must've had a death wish

Edited November 10, 2021 by B00M

[tx 3 putt 76295]

How was his life being threatened ?

orher than he can’t run very far ?

[Fud 9545]

Rittenhouse decided to take the stand 

[wildcat09 29213]

So this whole thing seems like a huge embarrassment for all lawyers involved, huh?

[JimmyJames 12271]

13 minutes ago, Fud said:

Rittenhouse decided to take the stand 

DT crowd is freaking out about it. Pretty funny to watch. 
 

Defense must not think it has this thing quite as locked up as the DT crowd does. It will all come down now to how his cross goes. 
 

If any sane person is watching it let us know how it goes. 

[tx 3 putt 76295]

19 minutes ago, Fud said:

Rittenhouse decided to take the stand 

 

dumb, why would his lawyers do this ?

[Fud 9545]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

dumb, why would his lawyers do this ?

It's possible that Rittenhouse insisted against their wishes, I suppose 

[Kel Varnsen 8429]

[RomaVicta 29769]

13 hours ago, Bravo said:

I assume you have no issue with this either. It's for your team.

 

 

Negged for tragically off sense of logical thinking. 

Mitigated by your projection of "team" loyalty to justify criminal activities by your team. Nobody here will defend the alleged claim above if it comes to any fruition whatever. If the claim is true, I hope law enforcement is on top of it enough to protect the jurors and bring any bad actors to justice.

You're really a rotten human being. 

[wildcat09 29213]

Please don't quote the boog apologist.

[WhatTheBuck 28703]

What a fucking putz. He’s loving this. Also, we have to consider that anything he says about his own victimhood or his own heroism could be complete bullshit. 

[workswithseed 2033]

7 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

dumb, why would his lawyers do this ?

1. He has a pale baby face and looks younger than 17.

2. When he cries (and he may do so, *he did when the police talked to him) he's going to look like  child actor, Jackie Cooper, and someone told him his dog died.

3. He may have no problem with lying on the stand. He may not do so, but with so many norms having been broken in our society especially in regards to the way we view institutions and the law, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

*crying after you've shot someone, even if it is because you realize you're in deep trouble, is at least a small sign that emotion is present. IMO, someone who kills without emotion is likely in far worse shape as a human.

[tx 3 putt 76295]

24 minutes ago, Bravo said:

well, earlier Rosenbaum told him "if I ever see you alone I'm going to kill you". Then he got him alone. Chased him and cornered him. Rittenhouse turns around Rosenbaum yells Fuck You and lunges for his gun. I think most people would have a reasonable fear for their life in this context, no?

was that meant for the KR fan boi board ?

[workswithseed 2033]

1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

1. He has a pale baby face and looks younger than 17.

2. When he cries (and he may do so, *he did when the police talked to him) he's going to look like  child actor, Jackie Cooper, and someone told him his dog died.

3. He may have no problem with lying on the stand. He may not do so, but with so many norms having been broken in our society especially in regards to the way we view institutions and the law, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

*crying after you've shot someone, even if it is because you realize you're in deep trouble, is at least a small sign that emotion is present. IMO, someone who kills without emotion is likely in far worse shape as a human.

He did cry on the stand, and it's kinda hard to cry on demand. I wonder how prosecutors will handle him.

[DonkeyCigars 144]

30 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

If any sane person is watching it let us know how it goes. 

This. It's hard to cut through all the noise and get some unbiased playback of what is going on and how it is going. Has anyone in 13 pages here shown themselves capable of being disaffected and neutral?

[DDD Dad 14243]

1 minute ago, DonkeyCigars said:

This. It's hard to cut through all the noise and get some unbiased playback of what is going on and how it is going. Has anyone in 13 pages here shown themselves capable of being disaffected and neutral?

[workswithseed 2033]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

So, what do you think so far? 

[DonkeyCigars 144]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

I'll bite, and I can see it as you are a lawyer and can approach this as a tradesman and a student of the craft:

How has this trial gone so far in your estimation and review? Who is winning? Have you seen enough to make an educated guess on the outcome? Any surprises or gotchas? 

[DDD Dad 14243]

Just now, workswithseed said:

So, what do you think so far? 

I think it's a lot closer case than those cheering on Rittenhouse think, given the decision to let him testify.

The testimony by the guy who got shot in the arm, from what I've been able to gather so far, was pretty awful to the prosecution.  Also I don't know why they overlooked putting on any evidence or presentation of argument regarding curfew violation, so that seemed like a pretty obvious whiff on their part.

To be honest, though, I haven't been watching any of the proceedings live and am only mildly interested in the outcome.

Any attempted doxxing of jurors needs to be investigated and prosecuted fully.

[DDD Dad 14243]

2 minutes ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I'll bite, and I can see it as you are a lawyer and can approach this as a tradesman and a student of the craft:

How has this trial gone so far in your estimation and review? Who is winning? Have you seen enough to make an educated guess on the outcome? Any surprises or gotchas? 

See above.  I don't have any strong inkling of how this will turn out, especially because I haven't sat through any of the proceedings.  Any guess on my part would be totally uneducated so I'll not even try (I know, this is Surly, but you asked for an honest answer).  

[4th&Five 41457]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

9 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

... it's kinda hard to cry on demand.

Have you led a charmed life, free from pain and worry? Many people can bring to mind memories and the tears will flow. The difficulty is expressing sincerity, and most importantly, believable sincerity and personal bias affects how one views that.

 

[workswithseed 2033]

Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

Have you led a charmed life, free from pain and worry? Many people can bring to mind memories and the tears will flow. The difficulty is expressing sincerity, and most importantly, believable sincerity and personal bias affects how one views that.

 

I haven't lived a charmed life, but for me, I can't cry on demand. I have to listen to Teddy Bear to get my chest to hurt. Everytime.

[Nivek 16843]

2 hours ago, ousuxndallas said:

Here's some video footage of Rosenbaum chasing after Kyle Rittenhouse. Shows the exact moment when Kyle turns and fires.
 

How to we know he was being chased?  Guy could have been jogging and he has the right to be there and jog.   It is a public space and he has the same right to it as anyone else.   

[Nivek 16843]

10 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Have you led a charmed life, free from pain and worry? Many people can bring to mind memories and the tears will flow. The difficulty is expressing sincerity, and most importantly, believable sincerity and personal bias affects how one views that.

 

One devoid of empathy has problems with emotions.  

[atomheartbevo 89396]

10 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Have you led a charmed life, free from pain and worry? Many people can bring to mind memories and the tears will flow. The difficulty is expressing sincerity, and most importantly, believable sincerity and personal bias affects how one views that.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

34 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

1. He has a pale baby face and looks younger than 17.

2. When he cries (and he may do so, *he did when the police talked to him) he's going to look like  child actor, Jackie Cooper, and someone told him his dog died.

3. He may have no problem with lying on the stand. He may not do so, but with so many norms having been broken in our society especially in regards to the way we view institutions and the law, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

 

*crying after you've shot someone, even if it is because you realize you're in deep trouble, is at least a small sign that emotion is present. IMO, someone who kills without emotion is likely in far worse shape as a human.

 

 

[RomaVicta 29769]

I believe he went there hoping to shoot a bad guy in fulfillment of the prophecies our fucked up mythology lays out. Evil is easily identified and deserving of only death by bullet. Or to quote Hans:

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Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?

Maybe when he was fleeing, he was beginning to see the real absurdity of his vision of the evening. Too late. He kills a guy he would never have otherwise met in fulfillment of the scriptures.

It's as good as murder in my book. I'm unmoved by his remorse. He deserves punishment.

The law may not agree with me, but I'm okay with that. Good for Kyle that I don't have his fucked sensibility about showing up to shoot bad guys wherever they may be.

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Hans Gruber : This time John Wayne does not walk off into the sunset with Grace Kelly.

John McClane : That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Whatever.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

32 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

He did cry on the stand, and it's kinda hard to cry on demand. I wonder how prosecutors will handle him.

That doesn't look like real crying to me. That looks like he is trying to cry to make himself more sympathetic.  

[workswithseed 2033]

Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That doesn't look like real crying to me. That looks like he is trying to cry to make himself more sympathetic.  

I mean you could be right. 

[washparkhorn 9934]

3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

 

 

That boy should have never been near that protest. Bringing a weapon compounded his immature decision-making. The crying made him look like a toddler. 

[Carl Spackler 3461]

8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

How to we know he was being chased?  Guy could have been jogging and he has the right to be there and jog.   It is a public space and he has the same right to it as anyone else.   

After watching that video a few times, I think it's pretty clear he was being chased.  (Galactically stupid for an unarmed man to chase an armed man, BTW.) 

But, for me, the video also undercuts the notion that Rittenhouse was "cornered" at the time he shot Rosenbaum -- Rittenhouse was able to continue running in the same path after he turned and fired, and eventually circled around the parked cars.

It will be interesting to see how the self-defense issue plays out with this jury.   

[WhatTheBuck 28703]

I’m not saying they were crocodile tears. I’m not saying they weren’t. But he sure calmed down quickly when the judge called for a recess. 

[Fud 9545]

The crying seemed real to me. He could be crying for various reasons though. 

Also, these prosecutors just doesn't seem very good. 

[workswithseed 2033]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m not saying they were crocodile tears. I’m not saying they weren’t. But he sure calmed down quickly when the judge called for a recess. 

This, crying and then being as calm is a bit off putting. It's definitely for the jury to determine I guess.

[JimmyJames 12271]

I figured he’d cry at some point. It’s pretty much impossible to tell if it’s real remorse or not since just the stress itself of being on the stand can cause it. 
 

More interested in the substance of what he’s saying. I’m sure the other thread has more of it but I don’t need the bullshit spin which makes the retelling worthless.

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

After watching that video a few times, I think it's pretty clear he was being chased.  (Galactically stupid for an unarmed man to chase an armed man, BTW.) 

But, for me, the video also undercuts the notion that Rittenhouse was "cornered" at the time he shot Rosenbaum -- Rittenhouse was able to continue running in the same path after he turned and fired, and eventually circled around the parked cars.

It will be interesting to see how the self-defense issue plays out with this jury.   

I agree with this. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That doesn't look like real crying to me. That looks like he is trying to cry to make himself more sympathetic.  

 

5 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I mean you could be right. 

I'm not going to assess the defendant's sincerity as I've not been following the broadcast; were I a juror, however, it would not matter to me with respect to following the charge of the court to weigh facts, evidence, and the charges. Tears for sentencing? Perhaps. After all, my children used to cry aplenty when they realized judgement was declared and it was time for the consequences. Who wouldn't?

 

[wildcat09 29213]

Jimmy I haven't been following too closely and my impression of WI's self-defense law might be a bit off, but my understanding of how it applies is basically the following (ignoring the duty to retreat for a moment): if he actually reasonably feared for his life and used reasonable force in self defense against the first guy he shot, causing the others to then try to disarm him thinking that THEY were using a reasonable level of force to defend themselves and/or others from his (believed to be) unlawful conduct, he can also succeed on a self defense claim for the subsequent shootings of the guys who reasonably thought THEY were legally acting to defend themselves and others. Does that sound accurate to you?

That seems like a pretty big fucking problem.

Edited November 10, 2021 by wildcat09

[workswithseed 2033]

2 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 

I'm not going to assess the defendant's sincerity as I've not been following the broadcast; were I a juror, however, it would not matter to me with respect to following the charge of the court to weigh facts, evidence, and the charges. Tears for sentencing? Perhaps. After all, my children used to cry aplenty when they realized judgement was declared and it was time for the consequences. Who wouldn't?

 

I think of Gone Girl, there is acting with some sincerity. I would probably break down too, but I also would wonder from others if it was real. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20342]

21 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

That doesn't look like real crying to me. That looks like he is trying to cry to make himself more sympathetic.  

Not one tear, as far as I could see.  That was rehearsed.  He's a stone cold killer.



 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19092]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Not one tear, as far as I could see.  That was rehearsed.  He's a stone cold killer.



 

Agreed.  I saw a lot of blubbering but no real tears.  I think he was doing all that over the top shit to try and actually force a tear.  I watched a number of times.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

34 minutes ago, Nivek said:

How to we know he was being chased?  Guy could have been jogging and he has the right to be there and jog.   It is a public space and he has the same right to it as anyone else.   

Maybe the part where he threatened to kill him if he caught him alone?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Rittenhouse is more than holding his own on cross.

[workswithseed 2033]

Holy shit, this judge is pissed.

[High Plains Drifter 10970]

 

any estimates on how long until a verdict?

 

anybody?