Kyle Rittenhouse

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

"It's arm length that matters!"

 

[washparkhorn 9934]

Let me circle back and close the loop.

This concludes this today's lesson from . . . The Power of Cross-Examination or How to Create a Perry Mason Moment in the Courtroom. (available soon in finer bookstores). 

The question was choose A or B.  Open-ended (a no-no for most cross), but he was left with choosing two bad choices for his projected persona and demeanor. Rather than choosing A or B, he instead chose to flail, which is the worst choice when trapped. 

The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case needs to work on his cross-examination skills. Rittenhouse was even less prepared for cross than @Bravo and the DA could not execute. 

[washparkhorn 9934]

Seriously though regarding cross-exam books,  this is what I rely on for cross-examination technique - Pozner and Dodd on Cross.

 

Edited November 14, 2021 by washparkhorn

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1 hour ago, washparkhorn said:

Let me circle back and close the loop.

This concludes this today's lesson from . . . The Power of Cross-Examination or How to Create a Perry Mason Moment in the Courtroom. (available soon in finer bookstores). 

The question was choose A or B.  Open-ended (a no-no for most cross), but he was left with choosing two bad choices for his projected persona and demeanor. Rather than choosing A or B, he instead chose to flail, which is the worst choice when trapped. 

The prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case needs to work on his cross-examination skills. Rittenhouse was even less prepared for cross than @Bravo and the DA could not execute. 

Who can we get on the case? We need Perry Mason. Someone to put you in place, calling Perry Mason. Again. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

I’m glad this piece of crap can no longer rape children.
 

 

[Frank The Tank 1492]

Yes, obviously no one here likes child rapists. But you keep circling back to this as if it somehow justifies KR’s actions. That’s your great point? KR didn’t know his history and it had nothing to do with his decision to pull the trigger. And if he had, it still wouldn’t be justified. He needs to be prosecuted and punished by the State for those crimes. The death penalty is not a legal punishment for rape, child or otherwise. 
Using this as your reason for supporting the shooting only furthers the point that in and of itself it wasn’t justified. Because if the victim had been pure and innocent you wouldn’t have an argument to make. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

22 minutes ago, Frank The Tank said:

Yes, obviously no one here likes child rapists. But you keep circling back to this as if it somehow justifies KR’s actions. That’s your great point? KR didn’t know his history and it had nothing to do with his decision to pull the trigger. And if he had, it still wouldn’t be justified. He needs to be prosecuted and punished by the State for those crimes. The death penalty is not a legal punishment for rape, child or otherwise. 
Using this as your reason for supporting the shooting only furthers the point that in and of itself it wasn’t justified. Because if the victim had been pure and innocent you wouldn’t have an argument to make. 

Pssh, gtfo with your logic. It has no place here. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

36 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

I’m glad this piece of crap can no longer rape children.
 

 

I’m pretty sure you’ve already said that like 285 times in this thread. Maybe you should start a “let’s kill all the pedos”thread in the DT safe space. 

[Guest Lobo]

12 hours ago, Bravo said:

This so stupid but hand size 9" from thumb to pinky. Challenge on degree and grip.  (definitely not a hand model but definitely 6' 3" and TX grad). Won't do D pics.

Dude, you have weird proportions.  9" hands but are 6'3"?  Not judging your politics or your degree.  But your hands should be bigger than that.  And also not so milky-soft.  Again, no judging...but you must be very popular behind Cracker Barrels.  6'1" and 10.75" on the hands meter.  Granted it still leaves South Austin's mom with 3 inches of unused infrastructure, but dead sexy nonetheless.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Pssh, gtfo with your logic. It has no place here. 

Sacks response: “Yeah but the dude was a pedo I’m glad he’s dead.”

Me: “Yeah I got that. What are you having for dinner?”

Sack: “Not sure yet but I am sure that dude was a pedo and I’m glad he’s dead.”

[Johnny Sack 8397]

38 minutes ago, Frank The Tank said:

Yes, obviously no one here likes child rapists. But you keep circling back to this as if it somehow justifies KR’s actions. That’s your great point? KR didn’t know his history and it had nothing to do with his decision to pull the trigger. And if he had, it still wouldn’t be justified. He needs to be prosecuted and punished by the State for those crimes. The death penalty is not a legal punishment for rape, child or otherwise. 
Using this as your reason for supporting the shooting only furthers the point that in and of itself it wasn’t justified. Because if the victim had been pure and innocent you wouldn’t have an argument to make. 

Rosenbaum was acting in conformity with his character by assaulting a minor when he attacked KR. I’m glad KR had the tool needed to defend himself from that attack.  Plenty of you disagree with me.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Rosenbaum was acting in conformity with his character by assaulting a minor when he attacked KR. I’m glad KR had the tool needed to defend himself from that attack.  Plenty of you disagree with me.  

I asked you this earlier but you ignored me, choosing instead to talk some more about pedos. What weapon did rosenbaum use in his attack against Kyle? 

[Captainant 27403]

Guys lay off sack for his laser focus on pedos - we know that conservatives tend to focus in on things that remind them of themselves. We see it all the time with gay bashing elected repubs paying gay escorts to give em the NowThis. Or church clergy and pastors cheating on their wives with secretaries while spouting hellfire and brimstone 

Y'all keep poking fun at him, he just gin up a reason to self defense you 

[JimmyJames 12271]

5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Guys lay off sack for his laser focus on pedos - we know that conservatives tend to focus in on things that remind them of themselves. We see it all the time with gay bashing elected repubs paying gay escorts to give em the NowThis. Or church clergy and pastors cheating on their wives with secretaries while spouting hellfire and brimstone 

Y'all keep poking fun at him, he just gin up a reason to self defense you 

Yeah but how tall is he and what are the size of his hands? 

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

What; no comments on the left hand with no ring? Y'all are slipping.

 

 

 

*and no, not even.

We’re not a bunch of chicks so we missed that one. 
 

On another note many people are saying one of the dudes Kyle killed was a pedo. Has that been discussed yet and do you know of anyone who can confirm that? 

Edited November 14, 2021 by JimmyJames

[Johnny Sack 8397]

27 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I asked you this earlier but you ignored me, choosing instead to talk some more about pedos. What weapon did rosenbaum use in his attack against Kyle? 

You saw on video how his attempted attack was foiled.  Luckily his attempt to take KR’s rifle was thwarted.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

You saw on video how his attempted attack was foiled.  Luckily his attempt to take KR’s rifle was thwarted.  

Ok I’ll ask again. What weapon did he have. And since you’re being obtuse, I’ll make the question even more specific, what did he throw at Kyle during his attack? 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Ok I’ll ask again. What weapon did he have. And since you’re being obtuse, I’ll make the question even more specific, what did he throw at Kyle during his attack? 

His hands.  Kyle’s rifle.  He failed because Kyle shot him.  
 

Are you trying to say he should have waited to shoot him until after the convicted serial rapist gained control of the rifle.  Because that would be really, really stupid.  Truthfully he waited too long to shoot that piece of shit by allowing him to make contact with the rifle.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

Just now, Johnny Sack said:

His hands.  Kyle’s rifle.  He failed because Kyle shot him.  
 

Are you trying to say he should have waited to shoot him until after the convicted serial rapist gained control of the rifle.  Because that would be really, really stupid.  Truthfully he waited too long to shoot that piece of shit by allowing him to make contact with the rifle.  

From the video he shot him multiple times before he could touch the rifle. So where do you get that from? 

[Dutchrudder 11113]

Rosenbaum was acting in conformity with his character by assaulting a minor when he attacked KR. I’m glad KR had the tool needed to defend himself from that attack.  Plenty of you disagree with me.  

I'm good with that. If the state did it's job and kept Rosenbaum in prison, none of this would have happened. Everyone would be better off if pedos we're castrated and locked up for life.

And if anyone wants to claim Kyle was "looking for trouble" due to character concerns, then you have to hold the other person to the same standard. Between those two, Kyle is the less shitty person at least. The other two guys that got shot attacked Kyle based on bad assumptions or info, and while that is very unfortunate it goes back to who started the original confrontation that lead to the first shot fired.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

11 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

From the video he shot him multiple times before he could touch the rifle. So where do you get that from? 

He shot 4 times in about half a second.  The Med examiner said his hand was on the rifle.   
 

It doesn’t really matter.  Someone who is chasing where you can’t escape after threatening to kill you twice while acting like a lunatic  — KR would have been justified shooting far earlier than he did.  

[JimmyJames 12271]

18 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

I'm good with that. If the state did it's job and kept Rosenbaum in prison, none of this would have happened. Everyone would be better off if pedos we're castrated and locked up for life.

And if anyone wants to claim Kyle was "looking for trouble" due to character concerns, then you have to hold the other person to the same standard. Between those two, Kyle is the less shitty person at least. The other two guys that got shot attacked Kyle based on bad assumptions or info, and while that is very unfortunate it goes back to who started the original confrontation that lead to the first shot fired.

And then the thread got Reallllyy stupid. 
 

Kyle was carrying around an assault rifle because he wanted to shoot people and that’s exactly what he did. He’s going to get away with it because judge ringtone excluded his statement from two weeks prior where he admitted that he wanted to shoot people and two weeks later he did. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by JimmyJames

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

We’re not a bunch of chicks so we missed that one. 
 

On another note many people are saying one of the dudes Kyle killed was a pedo. Has that been discussed yet and do you know of anyone who can confirm that? 

Don't have to be female to note details that might be pertinent though....

 

I have heard what many people are saying.  It does make one wonder if Rosenbaum himself was abused, given the propensity for abused to become abuser (like the adopted son of Jerry Sandusky) and also Rosenbaum's two suicide attempts. Pity if so, as early treatment of juvenile offenders (I have no idea how old Rosenbaum was when  Rosenbaum's first actual offense was as he was 17 when he was first charged with the initial sexual assaults (2002) and it doesn't matter anymore as he is no longer living) and intensive treatment for their victims, intervention, and if necessary-incarceration at a facility for mental health disorders with cognitive behavior therapy can stop the cycle before others are victimized. Too often, we treat the symptom and turn away from the genesis that was the driving force. It's a heinous crime, but has no bearing on this case as Rittenhouse was not attacked due to his specific age (the threat that people testified to in court was a general one directed at anyone caught alone, and Rittenhouse was one of the few people who did not seem to stay paired up with a buddy.)

One can find the sexual assault of children or sexual assault in general abhorrent w/o believing it is relevant to Rittenhouse and this altercation.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Don't have to be female to note details that might be pertinent though....

 

I have heard what many people are saying.  It does make one wonder if Rosenbaum himself was abused, given the propensity for abused to become abuser (like the adopted son of Jerry Sandusky) and also Rosenbaum's two suicide attempts. Pity if so, as early treatment of juvenile offenders (I have no idea how old Rosenbaum was when  Rosenbaum's first actual offense was as he was 17 when he was first charged with the initial sexual assaults (2002) and it doesn't matter anymore as he is no longer living) and intensive treatment for their victims, intervention, and if necessary-incarceration at a facility for mental health disorders with cognitive behavior therapy can stop the cycle before others are victimized. Too often, we treat the symptom and turn away from the genesis that was the driving force. It's a heinous crime, but has no bearing on this case as Rittenhouse was not attacked due to his specific age (the threat that people testified to in court was a general one directed at anyone caught alone, and Rittenhouse was one of the few people who did not seem to stay paired up with a buddy.)

One can find the sexual assault of children or sexual assault in general abhorrent w/o believing it is relevant to Rittenhouse and this altercation.

Excellent post.

And I agree with you about the ring thing. It is telling that this dude isn’t married but given his posts I think we can all understand why not. 
 

I’ve just noticed that women are much quicker to notice that than men. Probably because they are in general more intelligent. 

[Dutchrudder 11113]

And then the thread got Reallllyy stupid. 
 
Kyle was carrying around an assault rifle because he wanted to shoot people and that’s exactly what he did. He’s going to get away with it because judge ringtone excluded his statement from two weeks prior where he admitted that he wanted to shoot people and two weeks later he did. 

He's not "getting away" with anything, unless you think he is 100% responsible for starting the confrontation with Rosenbaum. I haven't heard any evidence of that, but I have heard plenty about Rosenbaum being a loud belligerent asshole looking to start some shit.

Kyle must have walked by plenty of other protesters that night and didn't shoot anyone. He didn't start any fights either. He didn't even shoot anyone in the crowd by accident, which is pretty amazing to me given the situation. If there were some innocent bystanders shot while he was running away, maybe I could see something serious sticking to him, but he was accurate even under duress. It's not a great outcome by any means, but he didn't go crazy firing at everyone in sight when he genuinely could have felt like he was going to be mobbed on the street.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

24 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

His hands.  Kyle’s rifle.  He failed because Kyle shot him.  
 

Are you trying to say he should have waited to shoot him until after the convicted serial rapist gained control of the rifle.  Because that would be really, really stupid. 

It's no less stupid than NOT shooting a guy carrying a semi-automatic at low ready next to a government agent in context of Shitty Version America being ruled by an authoritarian who has EXPLICITLY endorsed violence as ok. 

That was the Pandora's Box many of us were pointing to years ago. Where the fuck were you? 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

6 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

It's no less stupid than NOT shooting a guy carrying a semi-automatic at low ready next to a government agent in context of Shitty Version America being ruled by an authoritarian who has EXPLICITLY endorsed violence as ok. 

That was the Pandora's Box many of us were pointing to years ago. Where the fuck were you? 

Pandora’s box is three assholes attacking someone without justification getting shot?  The horror.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

9 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

It is telling that this dude isn’t married

That can be an errant assumption as many a woman has found out later, or man for that matter.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

18 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Excellent post. It is telling that this dude isn’t married

Penelope doesn’t like this argument   At all   

 

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

Pandora’s box is three assholes attacking someone without justification getting shot?  The horror.  

Pandora's box is encouraging violence from the head of an established, mainstream political party towards their domestic political rivals in the world's oldest existing continuous democracy. 

Again-

1) Would it be legally justified in your mind for an armed witness to shoot Derek Chauvin killing George Floyd while Floyd was making it known he couldn't breathe?

2) Would peaceful protestors be legally justified in your mind of using firearms to defend themselves at a political rally if the head rally speaker told the crowd to attack the protestors?

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

The time it would take that person to make that decision has elapsed. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

...and that was with me showing you the "pop quiz" ....what?.... days ago? The life-or-death answer was a 3 letter word or a 2 letter word that apparently you're still working on. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Dutchrudder said:

Kyle must have walked by plenty of other protesters that night and didn't shoot anyone. He didn't start any fights either. He didn't even shoot anyone in the crowd by accident, which is pretty amazing to me given the situation. 

Well lets just award him a medal then. I spent many a night on sixth street, witnessed many fights and otherwise out of control situations, and I too managed not to shoot anyone. Where’s my fucking medal?

Edited November 15, 2021 by JimmyJames

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Johnny Sack said:

Pandora’s box is three assholes attacking someone without justification getting shot?  The horror.  

It’s really weird why you care so much about this and indicates a mental issue.  Seek therapy.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

Those are just 2 actual possibilities that have come to pass, Sack. It's obvious you can't answer how to handle them. That's a fraction of the shit frontier generations after you are going to deal with.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13545]

Every day you wake up is a clean slate. Make the best of it. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Judge ringtone put his thumb on the scales of justice when he excluded the statement from Kyle from two weeks prior stating he wanted to shoot people. Once the defense became self defense, and especially once doughboy took the stand in his defense,  that statement comes in from any reasonable judge who knows what he’s doing.
 

Instead we get a judge who allows his cell phone to go off multiple times while he’s on the bench, actually gets the jury to applaud a defense witness before he testifies, and otherwise acts like a Barnum and Bailey circus conductor overseeing a three ring circus. 
 

He will likely get off and sack and the DT crew can have their circle jerk masturbation moment but it’s not justice.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

37 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Every day you wake up is a clean slate. Make the best of it. 

Having dinner with friends.  One is a great negro of our time.  You’d like him. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Having dinner with friends.  One is a great negro of our time.  You’d like him. 

I bet you won’t tell your “negro” friend that to his face. We all know why that is. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

35 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Judge ringtone put his thumb on the scales of justice when he excluded the statement from Kyle from two weeks prior stating he wanted to shoot people. Once the defense became self defense, and especially once doughboy took the stand in his defense,  that statement comes in from any reasonable judge who knows what he’s doing.
 

Instead we get a judge who allows his cell phone to go off multiple times while he’s on the bench, actually gets the jury to applaud a defense witness before he testifies, and otherwise acts like a Barnum and Bailey circus conductor overseeing a three ring circus. 
 

He will likely get off and sack and the DT crew can have their circle jerk masturbation moment but it’s not justice.

It wouldn’t have made a difference.  Self defense is obvious from all the evidence plus video.  
 

But that ruling was correct.  Any half ass criminal lawyer can confirm.  Even the most partisan liberal ones agree that ruling was right.  
 

I do appreciate your RealPolitik getting in the excuse for losing. 
 

Truth is KR shouldn’t have ever been charged.  He was because the DA is a democrat.  That’s the only reason. 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

I bet you won’t tell your “negro” friend that to his face. We all know why that is. 

What is wrong with calling him a great negro?  Is that offensive?

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Having dinner with friends.  One is a great negro of our time.  You’d like him. 

It should tell you Kyle supporters something that this guy, and our 6’3 and nine inch hand guy named bravo, are Kyle’s biggest and loudest supporters.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

What is wrong with calling him a great negro?  Is that offensive?

If it isn’t then tell your friend that and report back what he says in response. I’m interested in hearing it.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

It should tell you Kyle supporters something that this guy, and our 6’3 and nine inch hand guy named bravo, are Kyle’s biggest and loudest supporters.

And yet you’re the one very angry KR defended himself from the attack of a convicted serial child rapist who attacked him because he was putting out fires.  
 

I’ll take my side on this one.  You and other NAMBLA supporters can have the other side.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

If it isn’t then tell your friend that and report back what he says in response. I’m interested in hearing it.

Maybe it’s offensive and I shouldn’t call a black man that.  Would you agree?

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

It wouldn’t have made a difference.  Self defense is obvious from all the evidence plus video.  
 

But that ruling was correct.  Any half ass criminal lawyer can confirm.  Even the most partisan liberal ones agree that ruling was right.  
 

I do appreciate your RealPolitik getting in the excuse for losing. 
 

Truth is KR shouldn’t have ever been charged.  He was because the DA is a democrat.  That’s the only reason. 

The only half ass criminal lawyer who has expressed that opinion is you. Which isn’t surprising since you obviously don’t know how to try a case. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:

Maybe it’s offensive and I shouldn’t call a black man that.  Would you agree?

Well you already called your friend a “great negro of our time.” So are you now admitting your racism on this board towards your friend?

[VivaNaranja 465]

He's trying to make a cute jab at Biden after the Satchel Paige gaffe.  It's stupid but this is the guy who called a member of Congress a brother fucker the other day, so no surprise there

[Johnny Sack 8397]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The only half ass criminal lawyer who has expressed that opinion is you. Which isn’t surprising since you obviously don’t know how to try a case. 

You’re wrong on that.  And you’re wrong on the evidentiary ruling.  @TwiceHorntold you the same thing already.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Ask @scottsins about the ruling on the video.  I bet he’d agree it shouldn’t be admissible.  

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Well you already called your friend a “great negro of our time.” So are you now admitting your racism on this board towards your friend?

You’re right, I shouldn’t repeat Joe Biden’s phrases.  I apologize.