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2 minutes ago, futureman said:

Herb Hand is paid over half a million dollars to evaluate talent and we have keyboard jockeys on surly.com questioning the offers he gives out.  just fucking comical.

I agree - This is fucking brilliant and should be applied to politics. Can you please post it over on the political board, but exchange Hand with some high paid politician's name?

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Watched. The. Tape.

He plays with a mean streak, which I like. I think he finishes the play in damn near every clip in his Hudl. Moves well, pretty quick feet.

My biggest concerns are size and strength. Not gonna look up his height while I’m typing this out, but the frame isn’t impressive on tape. Strength doesn’t jump out at you.

There’s only a couple clips of pass pro, but the technique there looks rough to me. That said, I think he’s got the feet for it, just needs work.

Higher floor than Cade IMO but this is a guy that needs to gain weight and strength for like 3 years before he can contribute.

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On 9/17/2020 at 2:46 PM, Burt Macklin said:

I’d honestly rather shoot myself than try to read that whole thing. This is classic Ian Boyd. He just writes the most boring words imaginable going in an endless loop.  If we leave a CB alone on the boundary, other teams will attack that, and if we take the safety off the slot fade to help on the boundary, then teams will attack the slot fade.
No shit, dude. There’s no such thing as a perfect coverage, which is why teams disguise and mix up coverages and make coverage decisions based on opposing personnel, so obviously we’ll handle coverages differently against Tech than UTEP. He really is the epitome of missing the forest for the trees. 

Just bumped into this post again...😂

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I would be good if we could just land one more quality OL.  Conner is way underrated as has been posted numerous times on here. OG/RT imo.  I'm fine with the Myslinksi take.  I think he can end up being Parker Braun, but with pass pro.  He has the mentality to want to go out and annihilate someone and he had offers/was wanted by some tradionally good OL schools.  I'd rather take a grad transfer/JUCO/transfer portal than taking guys we make fun of aggy taking.  I'm not really high on the Cade/Merrill/Jackson offers.  JUMBO guys like Jasper Lott and Dekendrick Sterns would be more exciting to go for.

We just need to keep the pipeline/depth going with what's been built.  Karic and Majors are already in the 2 deep and look like solid future starters.  If Garth can recover and get back to full strength ( big "IF" the way his career has gone early on ) he could be a potential stud at Tackle ( let's not forget he was ranked as high as #6 in the state by 247 before his injury ).  Parr will get a year or 2 to see what he can do.  

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32 minutes ago, tokamak said:

My biggest concerns are size and strength. Not gonna look up his height while I’m typing this out, but the frame isn’t impressive on tape. Strength doesn’t jump out at you.
 

Listed at 6'4" 273. It looks like his center of gravity is pretty low and he has a lot of room to add serious strength and weight.

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3 hours ago, CL Horn said:

man, I can't remember a position we've struck out so so bad in than 2021 OL recruiting...holy shit smh

I read this numerous times and decided it didn’t deserve my assumption of what you were attempting to communicate.

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8 hours ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

I would be good if we could just land one more quality OL.  Conner is way underrated as has been posted numerous times on here. OG/RT imo.  I'm fine with the Myslinksi take.  I think he can end up being Parker Braun, but with pass pro.  He has the mentality to want to go out and annihilate someone and he had offers/was wanted by some tradionally good OL schools.  I'd rather take a grad transfer/JUCO/transfer portal than taking guys we make fun of aggy taking.  I'm not really high on the Cade/Merrill/Jackson offers.  JUMBO guys like Jasper Lott and Dekendrick Sterns would be more exciting to go for.

We just need to keep the pipeline/depth going with what's been built.  Karic and Majors are already in the 2 deep and look like solid future starters.  If Garth can recover and get back to full strength ( big "IF" the way his career has gone early on ) he could be a potential stud at Tackle ( let's not forget he was ranked as high as #6 in the state by 247 before his injury ).  Parr will get a year or 2 to see what he can do.  

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think what you are trying to say with all those words is, "Fuck Blake".

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13 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

That's longer wings than Connor Williams. 

It's probably about average tackle length for college, and above average for interior

These numbers are NFL prospects, so college should be a little lower. Plus, maybe he's still growing? 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/positions?position=OT

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3 minutes ago, Fud said:

It's probably about average tackle length for college, and above average for interior

These numbers are NFL prospects, so college should be a little lower. Plus, maybe he's still growing? 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/positions?position=OT

With how Karic has looked already, maybe they're thinking they won't need another LT ready for 3 years, so they're content to go after body types and worry about putting on necessary strength/technique over the course of the next few years?

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2 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

With how Karic has looked already, maybe they're thinking they won't need another LT ready for 3 years, so they're content to go after body types and worry about putting on necessary strength/technique over the course of the next few years?

Or they're whiffing on the potential left tackles, and are going for the next best things?

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53 minutes ago, Fud said:

Per Gerry, Max Merril measured 6-4, 262 with 80-inch wingspan in February of 2020

That’s good enough for a college LT if he can add 35 lbs of functional strength I’d guess, but he won’t be drafted as a tackle even if he’s good. 
We need to be able to land nfl tackle sized people (well correct frames, that we grow into nfl sized tackles).  There aren’t an abundance of those, so we need to get better at acquisition. 

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7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s good enough for a college LT if he can add 35 lbs of functional strength I’d guess, but he won’t be drafted as a tackle even if he’s good. 
We need to be able to land nfl tackle sized people (well correct frames, that we grow into nfl sized tackles).  There aren’t an abundance of those, so we need to get better at acquisition. 

80 inch wingspan is enough to get you drafted at tackle if you're a stud 

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17 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That’s good enough for a college LT if he can add 35 lbs of functional strength I’d guess, but he won’t be drafted as a tackle even if he’s good. 
We need to be able to land nfl tackle sized people (well correct frames, that we grow into nfl sized tackles).  There aren’t an abundance of those, so we need to get better at acquisition. 

Tristan Wirfs was the 13th pick in the draft at 6'4" 7/8 with an 80 2/8 wingspan.  That was a down year for OT's - but it still happens. 

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4 minutes ago, Fud said:

Or they're whiffing on the potential left tackles, and are going for the next best things?

My thought is that this staff has shown they're solid at evaluating--especially late riser linemen type.  The staff has also shown that it isn't interested in reaching for prospects that don't ever have a chance of seeing the field, instead opting to mine the transfer/grad transfer/juco markets or see what the next cycle has to offer.

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6 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

My thought is that this staff has shown they're solid at evaluating--especially late riser linemen type.  

I think everyone here agrees with that.

The issue is that Hand clearly panicked and began following and offering players that simply do not fit the framework of the jumbo athlete that this staff has identified in the past. So not only was he not targeting the type of athletes that we have had a lot of success identifying and signing - he was actually taking numbers away from them for guys that would never play a down at Texas. Guys that didn't fit the physical profile that Herman/Chang/McKnight favor. 

10 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

  The staff has also shown that it isn't interested in reaching for prospects that don't ever have a chance of seeing the field,

Until this year that is 100% true but Hand has absolutely reached and shown interest in guys that would never see the field here and should at-best be considered PWO spots. Hence, everyone here being gunshy about another private school OT. It's not about that kid specifically it's about Hand's flailing.  It's not a secret. It's also clear that the rest of the staff was not thrilled with Hand's targets, note that Yurcich has involved himself directly with OL recruiting now. 

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4 minutes ago, golfclap said:

.Guys that didn't fit the physical profile that Herman/Chang/McKnight favor.     Until this year that is 100% true but Hand has absolutely reached and shown interest in guys that would never see the field here and should at-best be considered PWO spots. Hence, everyone here being gunshy about another private school OT. It's not about that kid specifically it's about Hand's flailing.  It's not a secret. It's also clear that the rest of the staff was not thrilled with Hand's targets, note that Yurcich has involved himself directly with OL recruiting now. 

Great Stuff!! 

Starting to wonder how long Yurcich will put up with the struggles of Coach Hand.  If things don't improve by a lot on the O-line, I hope Herman/Yurcich make a move to replace Coach Hand.

(Fyi... Hand's contract goes thru 2021 Season, so the current financial struggles in the athletic dept (due to Covid-19) may make replacing Hand after the 2020 season a challenge.)

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Nahlin is suggesting another corner take this cycle if/when we miss on Mukuba. Jalon Williams is someone we all know, he also threw out these names for senior tape:

Ore Adeye - https://247sports.com/Player/Ore-Adeyi-46100106/ (247: 84)

Cameron Bonner - https://247sports.com/Player/Cameron-Bonner-46099468/ (Composite: .8648)

Chase Lowery (Arkansas commit) - https://247sports.com/player/chase-lowery-46056061/ (Composite: .8519)

Darius Jackson (Missouri commit) - https://247sports.com/player/darius-jackson-46096634/ (Composite: .8506) 

Raymond Gay (okie lite commit) - https://247sports.com/player/raymond-gay-46100325/ (Composite: .8540)

Lathan Adams (Colorado St. commit) - https://247sports.com/player/lathan-adams-46055571/ (Composite: .8464)

If you're dreaming big, Ceyair Wright is still uncommitted, but without a visit, that's unlikely. He also shut out the possibility of Deuce Harmon flipping, but I think that's been pretty well established. 

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12 minutes ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Nahlin is suggesting another corner take this cycle if/when we miss on Mukuba. Jalon Williams is someone we all know, he also threw out these names for senior tape:

Ore Adeye - https://247sports.com/Player/Ore-Adeyi-46100106/ (247: 84)

Cameron Bonner - https://247sports.com/Player/Cameron-Bonner-46099468/ (Composite: .8648)

Chase Lowery (Arkansas commit) - https://247sports.com/player/chase-lowery-46056061/ (Composite: .8519)

Darius Jackson (Missouri commit) - https://247sports.com/player/darius-jackson-46096634/ (Composite: .8506) 

Raymond Gay (okie lite commit) - https://247sports.com/player/raymond-gay-46100325/ (Composite: .8540)

Lathan Adams (Colorado St. commit) - https://247sports.com/player/lathan-adams-46055571/ (Composite: .8464)

If you're dreaming big, Ceyair Wright is still uncommitted, but without a visit, that's unlikely. He also shut out the possibility of Deuce Harmon flipping, but I think that's been pretty well established. 

Ugh. WHY?

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Ugh. WHY?

Yeah, agreed. If he's a guy we've already missed on, then fine. That's Harmon, Wright, and the other 2 California kids. Jalon Williams is fast AF, I wouldn't be mad at that. Otherwise.........what are we really doing here

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Justin Wells: Tom Herman's Biggest Recruiting Wins at Texas

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In almost four years at the University of Texas, Tom Herman has had some major recruiting success. From the Spring of Bru, to flipping Rising from OU, to holding on to Bjian with the iron claw, it's been a whirlwind in Herman's tenure in Austin. Take a look at his best recruiting wins.

1 Quinn Ewers, QB, Southlake Carroll

Class: 2022

The August 14th commitment from the nation's No. 1 ranked 2022 prospect instantly became the biggest win in the Tom Herman era in Austin. The reasons are obvious — quarterback from Lone Star State power Southlake Carroll wanted badly by rival Oklahoma, No. 1 overall in the country, hails from D/FW where top 2022 wide receivers are plentiful, and with Hudson Card solidifies the quarterback position in Austin until 2025. Not to mention more in terms of helping create momentum with positive national buzz. - GH

2 Caden Sterns, S, Cibolo Steele

Class: 2018

I'll never forget that weekend. I believe most of the staff was out of town, but Craig Naivar hung around just in case a four-star safety from down the road made his secret journey to UT's campus. When he arrived, Texas could not have done a better job with the LSU pledge. Less than 24 hours later, and I was preparing a commit story that would rock this region. It was one of Herman's first big scores on the Forty Acres, and it also contributed to the massive 2018 momentum that cultivated into a top three recruiting class.- JW

3 Cam Rising, QB, Newbury Park (CA)

Class: 2018

The flip of Cam Rising in late April 2017 was considered a massive win for Herman and staff due to a top flight national quarterback prospect flipping to the Longhorns from hated rival Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley. The commitment by Rising helped set the tables for a top 5 class. After a rough 2017 class in short order for Herman and staff, the 2018 class proved that Texas would become a recruiting force under Herman. - GH

Anyone remember the quote? It went something like "Then I got to Texas..." Rising could spin it with ease but Sam Ehlinger would be entrenched at quarterback. - JW

4 Bijan Robinson, RB, Salpointe Catholic (AZ)

Class: 2020

Another roller coaster of a ride, but in the end, well worth it. Texas was on the Arizona high school star early and made a strong impression when he visited for the spring game. But Ohio State started pushing, and he hung out with a chunk of the Buckeyes' C/O 2020 at the Rivals Camp and some thought he'd be a Buckeye. But not Stan Drayton. He'd built a great relationship, and soon after Robinson remembered how much he enjoyed Austin. At that point, it was just get to National Signing Day. Mission accomplished. - JW

5 Junior Angilau, OG, East High (UT)

Class: 2018

Pulling top talent out of the state of Utah over the likes of Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah, and Washington isn’t exactly what the Texas program has been known for over the years. Add in that Angilau was one of the nation's top offensive guard prospects at a huge position of need at the time, and this immediately became one of Herman and staff’s biggest wins since arriving in Austin. - GH

Props to recruiting assistant/player personnel analyst Jake Langi in this pursuit. He was vital. - JW

6 Bru McCoy, WR, Mater Dei (CA)

Class: 2019

Where do I begin? Let's start in the summer before his senior year. Texas had made a great impression on McCoy and his family, but he still seemed destined to stay closer to home at USC. Then the Army All American Bowl week arrives and he's very quiet about where he'd end up. He signed with Southern Cal and enrolled in January. Less than a week later, and he's thinking he made a mistake. Texas was his other choice, and after the big Sugar Bowl win over Georgia, had some serious mojo on the national level. McCoy would then turn the recruiting world upside down when he entered the NCAA Transfer Portal only weeks after becoming a Trojan. He arrived in Austin, went through spring ball, and was looking at minutes as a true freshman wideout. But in typical Bru style, he changed his mind, again. He went back home, re-enrolled at USC, and one of Herman's biggest wins became the poster child for the portal. - JW

7 Alfred Collins, DT, Bastrop Cedar Creek

Class: 2020

Sure, Texas had connections with Collins being a legacy recruit, but that meant Collins was a “must win” and "can’t lose” prospect. He was coveted by Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and nearly every top program in the country. And with Texas being in the process of building the defensive line to the level needed to be a consistent top 10 program again, winning out for Collins was a huge win in football office. - GH

8 Joseph Ossai, DE/LB, Oak Ridge

Class: 2018

The four-star outside linebacker from Conroe was another must-get for that vaunted 2018 cycle. Texas A&M was pushing and had similar success in that region, but Texas found a loophole - NCAA just approved the 10th assistant - that allowed recruiting director Bryan Carrington to get on the road and make home visits. Game-changer. Carrington attended Ossai's basketball game that night and visited with his folks for hours, which allowed Oscar Giles and the staff to close on one of the most important pieces of the 2018 class. - JW

9 Jake Smith, WR, Notre Dame Preparatory (AZ)

Class: 2019

The Gatorade National Player of the Year out of Arizona had his pick of Pac 12 and national programs. While the Longhorns have dabbled in the state for years in recruiting, pulling one of the nation's top prospects from the state wasn’t considered likely with Texas not having inked a prospect from the state since the 2012 class (Connor Brewer). - GH

10 Anthony Cook, CB, Houston Lamar

Class: 2018

This one was big for Herman because it was an early battle with his nemesis, Urban Meyer and Ohio State. Cook had offers from virtually everyone, but those two programs really stood out in the beginning. Herman couldn't let his former boss come into Houston and take the prized corner. After an interesting scene between Herman and Meyer at Texas Southern's satellite camp, Cook took a visit to Columbus. It was underwhelming at best, and this became a Texas-LSU fight. In the end, Cook inked with the good guys, but not after some serious work by the staff. - JW

Others receiving votes:

BJ Foster, De’Gabriel Floyd, Ja’Tavion Sanders, Billy Bowman and Vernon Broughton

 

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2 Caden Sterns, S, Cibolo Steele

Class: 2018

I'll never forget that weekend. I believe most of the staff was out of town, but Craig Naivar hung around just in case a four-star safety from down the road made his secret journey to UT's campus. When he arrived, Texas could not have done a better job with the LSU pledge. Less than 24 hours later, and I was preparing a commit story that would rock this region. It was one of Herman's first big scores on the Forty Acres, and it also contributed to the massive 2018 momentum that cultivated into a top three recruiting class.- JW

 

I know that Ewers is a bigger deal, but I almost want to put this at #1 for the Leon O'Neal butthurt it inspired. 

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4 hours ago, golfclap said:

I think everyone here agrees with that.

The issue is that Hand clearly panicked and began following and offering players that simply do not fit the framework of the jumbo athlete that this staff has identified in the past. So not only was he not targeting the type of athletes that we have had a lot of success identifying and signing - he was actually taking numbers away from them for guys that would never play a down at Texas. Guys that didn't fit the physical profile that Herman/Chang/McKnight favor. 

Until this year that is 100% true but Hand has absolutely reached and shown interest in guys that would never see the field here and should at-best be considered PWO spots. Hence, everyone here being gunshy about another private school OT. It's not about that kid specifically it's about Hand's flailing.  It's not a secret. It's also clear that the rest of the staff was not thrilled with Hand's targets, note that Yurcich has involved himself directly with OL recruiting now. 

While it certainly sucks that Hand wasn't able to land at least one of Brockermeyer/Byrd/Fatheree, Lengyel and Merril fit the profile of athletic kids with room to fill out. I see why we prioritized them over lumbering guys like Erick Cade and Cole Carson. I know everyone hated the Lengyel offer because he was a low 3 star and had "too much sunshine" or some stupid shit, but he's now an 85 composite. Him and Merril look very similar to me. And both play 6A, so the private school thing is irrelevant. Again, I'd much rather have one of Brockermeyer/Byrd/Fatheree, but I can see what the staff is looking at. And Hand (or any other staff member) isn't making any offers without Herman signing off.

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