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  On 10/12/2020 at 6:09 PM, Dbeasy said:

There was the dreaded D word in Noofola’s article. Drinking. It would be one explanation for a coach going from seemingly very very good to crap overnight. Just speculating.

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When was this now?  He didn't do anything at UH that Briles and Sumlin didn't do.  Maybe you're talking about as OC at OSU?

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  On 10/12/2020 at 5:37 PM, satyanash said:

 The 3 big websites are all calling for Herman’s head. This is remarkable for two different reasons.  First is credibility. Sophisticated football information has pivoted from newspapers to online forums. I don’t know anyone who really knows about UT football that doesn’t get most of their info here, or from the other 2 big ones. The newspapers just don’t have space or the resources to do what OB does. I know a lot of folks that have a single paid periodical: this one.  Second is unanimity. While the 3 websites use different words, they all basically say the same thing. Fire Herman. I have never seen anything like it. And, there are only two possible reasons. A. It’s either totally obvious to them. Or B. UT’s press department is unleashing a coordinated attack on Herman, and using the websites to do it. I am pretty sure its A, although you can probably sprinkle a little business model protection in that. “Get rid of Herman now so we can save recruiting, as recruiting is what drives a lot of the value in the websites”

 

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  On 10/12/2020 at 8:18 PM, futureman said:

pretty amazing considering the way he bent over for the players during their tantrums this past summer. 

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Do none of you have experience dealing with teenagers and young adults?  Bending over and caving to their demands wasn't going to do anything but give them more power and respect Herman less.  It's teaching and coaching 101...even though they can act like assholes about it, teenagers and young adults actually crave discipline and structure.  They push, rebel and test boundaries, it's what they do.  They respect the people who are clear and concise and stand firm.  The key is not to be a complete dickhead about it.

Herman has failed at all of the above, most importantly the not being a dick about it.

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  On 10/12/2020 at 10:08 PM, texashorn13 said:

Do none of you have experience dealing with teenagers and young adults?  Bending over and caving to their demands wasn't going to do anything but give them more power and respect Herman less.  It's teaching and coaching 101...even though they can act like assholes about it, teenagers and young adults actually crave discipline and structure.  They push, rebel and test boundaries, it's what they do.  They respect the people who are clear and concise and stand firm.  The key is not to be a complete dickhead about it.

Herman has failed at all of the above, most importantly the not being a dick about it.

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The comparison to rearing a child doesn't really hold when you consider that players could have (and would have) dipped out of the program en masse if Herman had told them to sit down and shut up like so many of y'all are pussy rubbing to the thought of. Plus it would have been a terrible look on the university and would have made it really difficult to attract top talent in the future (for those who think we'd be better off if 95% of the current team transferred).

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  On 10/12/2020 at 10:08 PM, texashorn13 said:

Do none of you have experience dealing with teenagers and young adults?  Bending over and caving to their demands wasn't going to do anything but give them more power and respect Herman less.  It's teaching and coaching 101...even though they can act like assholes about it, teenagers and young adults actually crave discipline and structure.  They push, rebel and test boundaries, it's what they do.  They respect the people who are clear and concise and stand firm.  The key is not to be a complete dickhead about it.

Herman has failed at all of the above, most importantly the not being a dick about it.

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Just to be clear, this topic can’t be summed up with a simple “teenagers being teenagers” statement. A social movement took place this summer and many of us applauded the response by players and staff. This whole “Eyes” conversation needs to die like our hopes of watching a competitive team, it’s trivial.

However, Herman unequivocally deserves to be fired for fielding a progressively declining team that seems to forget how to play football many times a game.

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  On 10/12/2020 at 10:17 PM, Sgt. Slaughter said:

Just to be clear, this topic can’t be summed up with a simple “teenagers being teenagers” statement. A social movement took place this summer and many of us applauded the response by players and staff. This whole “Eyes” conversation needs to die like our hopes of watching a competitive team, it’s trivial.

However, Herman unequivocally deserves to be fired for fielding a progressively declining team that seems to forget how to play football many times a game.

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Just so I'm clear, I didn't say anything about any social movement or The Eyes.  I applaud his handling of the SJM issues, and standing with his team.  But so did many other coaches across the country.  I am indifferent on The Eyes, because frankly I see both sides of the argument.

I stated earlier in this thread that Herman's handling of player personnel issues would be his downfall because of the damage it would do in the locker room.  Allowing players to enter the portal and begging them to return, quit during a game and return, skip weeks of team events because they "didn't feel like being here", etc. are what I'm talking about.  Frankly, Herman has no backbone, has no respect in that locker room, and then tops if off by acting like an asshole.  All while throwing players and assistant coaches under the bus publicly.

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  On 10/12/2020 at 4:26 PM, Dbeasy said:

I rarely comment on the inter-workings of the administration, but reading that Nahlin article pissed me off. He’s got a lot of that article right but the one thing that he’s failed to highlight is the absolute, complete disfunction of the entire University of Texas. Not because CDC is bad. He’s not. He’s a high quality AD. It’s because all of the administrative disfunction makes it very difficult for him to do his job effectively.

Think about it. You have a BOR that over-meddles. You have the university administration that historically has been difficult to deal with. You have not only influential boosters, but separate groups of them. CDC has to deal with an organizational mess right now. Firing someone is extremely difficult, for example. And no, this is not what it’s like at every state school. I personally believe the guy is savvy enough to navigate it, and hopefully we don’t lose a high quality AD over it.

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so the bb's are out of the box again?

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Everybody can sit back and proselytize for why they were so dead on about the inner workings of the program, why TH lost the locker room, etc.

 

Tom Herman is a fucking asshole. Fin. If you want to blame it on politics and SJWisms, take it to the CR. It's not complicated. Tom Herman is a fucking asshole with no one in his corner. That's it. Wallow in your satyasads, but please don't pretend to have some gleaming insight into the psychology of young men. There's nothing beyond the glaringly obvious that needs to be mulled by all on the fucking recruiting board. 

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  On 10/12/2020 at 11:44 PM, Ricky's one-hitter said:

Everybody can sit back and proselytize for why they were so dead on about the inner workings of the program, why TH lost the locker room, etc.

 

Tom Herman is a fucking asshole. Fin. If you want to blame it on politics and SJWisms, take it to the CR. It's not complicated. Tom Herman is a fucking asshole with no one in his corner. That's it. Wallow in your satyasads, but please don't pretend to have some gleaming insight into the psychology of young men. There's nothing beyond the glaringly obvious that needs to be mulled by all on the fucking recruiting board. 

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Saban is a Grade A jerk.  But he can coach.  Fin. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 3:17 AM, TexasRenegade said:

Saban can be smooth as silk when he wants to though. I think Saban would probably be a cool guy to sit and talk with.  Herman not so much.

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That's where you are wrong. Dude does coke off of strippers ass. How is that not somebody you would not hang out with. Shit that's 93% of surly 

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What a fucking beating. For the first time I can remember, every topic on this board is bolded because I don't have the fucking energy or desire to wade in and engage, to find out what is going on. Definitely not the aTm threads. Definitely not the OU threads. Fuck Tom Herman and Texas threads. 

I think I might be taking the rest of the fall off. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 3:55 PM, SydneyCarton said:

What a fucking beating. For the first time I can remember, every topic on this board is bolded because I don't have the fucking energy or desire to wade in and engage, to find out what is going on. Definitely not the aTm threads. Definitely not the OU threads. Fuck Tom Herman and Texas threads. 

I think I might be taking the rest of the fall off. 

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What’s Fall? This is coaching search season. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 3:59 PM, Burt Macklin said:

What’s Fall? This is coaching search season. 

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Fall is something my wife gets on my ass about all the time for not participating in enough outdoor activities. 

As for coaching search season, when I hear anything that indicates there's actually forward progress worth a shit on that front, then I'll get excited. 

This is Texas from the last decade plus. I'll believe we're not going to find a way to fuck a duck when it actually happens. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 4:01 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Fall is something my wife gets on my ass about all the time for not participating in enough outdoor activities. 

As for coaching search season, when I hear anything that indicates there's actually forward progress worth a shit on that front, then I'll get excited. 

This is Texas from the last decade plus. I'll believe we're not going to find a way to fuck a duck when it actually happens. 

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I am actually looking forward to getting to watch football on a Saturday without Texas fucking up the whole experience. 

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(Justin Wells) Recruiting: Temperature check on UT's C/O 2021

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When there's instability within the coaching staff, recruiting is usually one of the first things to suffer. It'll be very interesting to see how UT handles its 2021 class moving forward. A transition class might be imminent, but depending on who potentially replaces 'Hot Seat' Herman, if it comes to that, will have a major stake in how this class shakes out. Let's get a pulse on some of the more important commits and targets. (Any commits we don't mention are likely locked in no matter who is coaching them next year, like Hayden Connor, Juan Davis, and Gunnar Helm)

Ja’tavion Sanders, DE/TE - Denton Ryan (TEXAS)

Prior to the Oklahoma loss, Sanders wasn’t even entertaining calls from other college coaches. And he's not too interested in doing so now, which is why we feel comfortable he'll stick around. But don't think OU and others aren't going to make a push. Schools smell blood in the water and Sanders is UT's top prospect in the 2021 class.

JD Coffey, S - Kennedale (TEXAS)

Oregon has been making a real push for Coffey, but the Ducks could get in a numbers squeeze thus helping the Texas cause. They picked up a safety from Utah yesterday, so it'll be interesting to see what their next move is. Right now, we think Coffey loves the Longhorns just enough and that might be enough to secure his signature on NSD.

Jamier Johnson, CB - John Muir (Pasadena, CA) (TEXAS)

The four-star from Cali isn't playing his senior season, and plans to enroll in January. UT beat out USC and Oregon for Johnson, but if there is a threat, watch Arizona State. Herm Edwards assembled one hell of a recruiting staff.

Morice Blackwell, LB - Arlington Martin (TEXAS)

The four-star from DFW has remained solid to Texas since committing on Mother's Day. If there was a threat, Arkansas is the main one to consider. The Razorbacks are going to play quality defense with Barry Odom as defensive coordinator and do surprisingly well in the Metroplex.

Casey Cain, WR - Warren Easton (New Orleans, LA) (TEXAS)

Cain is less solid since the TCU loss. There are others pushing for him, including a serious look from Mississippi State. To say Cain has been looking around would be an accurate assessment.

Jaden Alexis, WR - Monarch (Pompano Beach, FL) (TEXAS)

Alexis is the type player that will have crossover appeal. This staff or the next might want to keep the three-star speedster, but watch for a strong push from Miami. They are recruiting very well this cycle and remain in Alexis' ear, even though I feel like he's determined to leave Florida.

Michael Myslinski, C - Bishop Kenny (Jacksonville, FL) (TEXAS)

This is one committed prospect asking members of the current staff what their future looks like in Austin. We think he's still a take, being a natural center on a team without them. Even though he's got ties to Herb Hand, we think a new staff might want to hold onto the Sunshine State offensive lineman.

L.J. Johnson, RB - Cy-Fair

This one is slipping with Texas A&M surging. Texas went into the season on the verge of receiving a commitment from the best running back prospect in the state, but that momentum is all but gone.

Shemar Turner, DL - Desoto

Texas A&M was surging after Texas' early struggles in the win over Texas Tech and loss to TCU. Now, the Aggies lead is only continuing to grow after the win over Florida.

Terrence Cooks, LB - Alvin Shadow Creek

The most highly sought after linebacker in-state for 2021 has long loved the Horns and its staff. Coleman Hutzler could not have done a better job cultivating this relationship and bonding with his mother. But there's pressure to give LSU the long, hard look. He's tried to end his recruitment on a couple of occasions but was slowed in both instances. I think Texas is the call if this staff returns. If not, that's a whole other story.

If or when changes are made, we'll have a list of the top prospects that could immediately be pursued by the new staff. No reason to delve into that just yet, though.

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  On 10/13/2020 at 3:55 PM, SydneyCarton said:

What a fucking beating. For the first time I can remember, every topic on this board is bolded because I don't have the fucking energy or desire to wade in and engage, to find out what is going on. Definitely not the aTm threads. Definitely not the OU threads. Fuck Tom Herman and Texas threads. 

I think I might be taking the rest of the fall off. 

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Make sure you keep us posted.

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  On 10/12/2020 at 11:54 PM, ClubWhatever said:

Saban is a Grade A jerk.  But he can coach.  Fin. 

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Right, and funny how players don’t mind the whole crowd singing “Dixieland Delight” to start the 4th Quarter when they get a Dodge Charger at signing day and have faith that their coach will develop them and get them to the league. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 6:27 PM, CowboyFred said:

so rumor has it (a buddy just told me but he subscribes to IT, I think, so maybe that is where he got it) that Carrington is poisoning the well and telling recruits (and current players I'd assume) that he's leaving as soon as he gets another job.  

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  On 10/13/2020 at 6:27 PM, CowboyFred said:

so rumor has it (a buddy just told me but he subscribes to IT, I think, so maybe that is where he got it) that Carrington is poisoning the well and telling recruits (and current players I'd assume) that he's leaving as soon as he gets another job.  

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BS rumor that Gerry Hamilton said was completely false. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 6:36 PM, DoneWithit said:

BS rumor that Gerry Hamilton said was completely false. 

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I don't subscribe to IT so did not know Hamilton said it was false.  My buddy did tell me that mods were "downplaying it" but didn't know they had already said it was completely false.

  On 10/13/2020 at 6:57 PM, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah, I'm not sure Carrington shits all over the bird he has in his current hand unnecessarily. Herman has a good shot at getting another HC position elsewhere, perhaps even immediately. And Carrington might not know where his next job comes from at all. Ain't buying it. 

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lol if you don't think Carrington can get a recruiting coordinator job at another school rather quickly.  he might be our most important recruiter and I'm positive other schools have taken notice of that as well.  him not being able to get another job is not a reason I wouldn't buy the rumor.  that is just my opinion tho

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  On 10/13/2020 at 6:27 PM, CowboyFred said:

so rumor has it (a buddy just told me but he subscribes to IT, I think, so maybe that is where he got it) that Carrington is poisoning the well and telling recruits (and current players I'd assume) that he's leaving as soon as he gets another job.  

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Yeah I don’t think BC is that dumb.

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  On 10/13/2020 at 6:27 PM, CowboyFred said:

so rumor has it (a buddy just told me but he subscribes to IT, I think, so maybe that is where he got it) that Carrington is poisoning the well and telling recruits (and current players I'd assume) that he's leaving as soon as he gets another job.  

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Not buying that. Things like that would scare off anybody that was thinking of hiring you. 

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  On 10/13/2020 at 7:05 PM, CowboyFred said:

I don't subscribe to IT so did not know Hamilton said it was false.  My buddy did tell me that mods were "downplaying it" but didn't know they had already said it was completely false.

lol if you don't think Carrington can get a recruiting coordinator job at another school rather quickly.  he might be our most important recruiter and I'm positive other schools have taken notice of that as well.  him not being able to get another job is not a reason I wouldn't buy the rumor.  that is just my opinion tho

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He can get another job. But he might not be able to get that job making 6 figures. I'm saying he wouldn't unnecessarily poison that well, he's not stupid.

Additionally, he might realize his best move is to stay at Texas with the next guy and keep making a fuck to of money for a recruiting assistant position. 

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