Joshua Moore might be gone

[Armybrat 41391]

10 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I live in Los Angeles   come at me bro 

I’ll donate a vest to you.

[Armybrat 41391]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

Anyone who is dumb enough to carry a loaded glock in their pants shouldn't own a pistol.  Great way to shoot yourself in the nuts.

Fify

[Alien Octopus 665]

5 hours ago, kevwun said:

Anyone who is dumb enough to carry a loaded glock in their pants shouldn't own a pistol.  Great way to shoot yourself in the ass.

Loaded Glock only goes off if you fiddle

fuck the trigger when you pull it.  Have had a Walther with a  similar trigger/safety for years with no issues.

 

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

The Gun Knowers have logged on. Thank god. 

[Armybrat 41391]

Can I borrow your avatar?

[MrPhlegm 3413]

All I can say is that it is a good thing that he wasn't armed with a banana.



As far as punisment?

Take him to Detwoit!

[Michael Knight 13217]

13 hours ago, kevwun said:

Anyone who is dumb enough to carry a gun shouldn't have one

Fify

[Machinator 32103]

 

[Huckleberry 34580]

Wonder if this week be a suspended one game at a time situation. Then if and when he's found guilty he's dismissed. 

Although I don't see how he gets out of at least pleading guilty at last this way Herman can tell his players he waited until a verdict. 

[Machinator 32103]

 

[LTtxfan 49991]

20 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Wonder if this week be a suspended one game at a time situation. Then if and when he's found guilty he's dismissed. 

Although I don't see how he gets out of at least pleading guilty at last this way Herman can tell his players he waited until a verdict. 

Anyone know Josh personally and can share more info??  Josh previously lost an older brother to suicide.  Carrying a gun shows poor judgement and possibly other issues. May be a cry for help.  Hope Josh is currently  getting counseling ...

After verdict, Josh might either: a) portal out or b) not play in 2019 and redshirt if Herman/CDC decide he should get another chance.

 

Fyi:  Interesting comments from Saban on punishing players and 2nd chances

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by LTtxfan

[HoustonHorn 1064]

Dumb decision. Really dumb decision. I don't want people who are making decisions that are that bad and potentially that serious on the football team I root for. That said, Saban has a good point. There is an opportunity here for a life lesson that could be very beneficial to Josh and his family/future family. I guess I leave it with Herman to make a decision as to whether this was a bad decision by an ok guy who has a future to be a good/great person, or a bad person making decisions that impact him and other teammates negatively and isn't worth a second chance.

I'd hope for something as serious as it sounds like this is, a suspension for the entire year would be the minimum. If he's kicked off the team, that isn't going to bother me either. I'm guessing, as Huck said above, TH waits for the guilty decision to kick him off the team. I do hope, whatever decision is made, Josh gets some help and makes better decisions going forward and is successful. He certainly has talent.

[Dbeasy 15580]

Anyone know Josh personally and can share more info??  Josh previously lost an older brother to suicide.  Carrying a gun shows poor judgement and possibly other issues. May be a cry for help.  Hope Josh is currently  getting counseling ...
After verdict, Josh might either: a) portal out or b) not play in 2019 and redshirt if Herman/CDC decide he should get another chance.
 
Fyi:  Interesting comments from Saban on punishing players and 2nd chances
 

I hate people not having any consequences for their inappropriate behavior, but at the same time in the age of social media we have to give kids a second chance. The problem occurs when second chances or a lack of consequences lead to a broad culture of bad behavior. We have both problems right now, not enough second chances and too many chances. We need balance.

[Bruh Man 3160]

This isn't "kick off the team" worthy. Suspend him for a few games and move on.

[Tylerocks 2603]

I’m all for 2nd chances.

But fuck, man.  Carrying a loaded handgun, with a 30 round clip...and chambering a round on 6th street is galactically stupid.  

What was his intention?  Protection? Robbery?  I guess it will all come out at some point.  

 

 

 

[SimonBolivar 11063]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

 

Fyi:  Interesting comments from Saban on punishing players and 2nd chances

 

He's right, but that's how you end up coaching at Mount Vernon.

[Skipper 6411]

17 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

I’m all for 2nd chances.

But fuck, man.  Carrying a loaded handgun, with a 30 round clip...and chambering a round on 6th street is galactically stupid.  

What was his intention?  Protection? Robbery?  I guess it will all come out at some point.  

 

 

 

I doubt the intent and background ever really become public.  We'll see I guess.  Think the fan base will just need to trust Herman's judgment on this one whichever way it goes.

[Born Burnt 6274]

14 minutes ago, Tylerocks said:

I’m all for 2nd chances.

But fuck, man.  Carrying a loaded handgun, with a 30 round clip...and chambering a round on 6th street is galactically stupid.  

What was his intention?  Protection? Robbery?  I guess it will all come out at some point.  

 

 

 

If you aren't going to have a round chambered, there's no reason to carry it.

If it were robbery, kick him off the team. In this case, suspension for a few games and, more importantly, a mandatory gun-safety course.

[Eggo 4026]

22 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

He's right, but that's how you end up coaching at Mount Vernon.

Bad take. Briles covered up all the shit in his program because he knew there would be no redemption. Making the offense known and punishing the player accordingly is completely different. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Eggo

[Rickylovesweed 15467]

I know Howe was reporting that Moore was gone but seems unlikely. What's the hold up? Moore would have already been gone if they were kicking him off the team. The response is probably "they're waiting on the court decision" but a misdemeanor charge is all Herman needs to have an out for giving him a 2nd chance. 

I say a 2 to 4 game suspension. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by Rickylovesweed

[txhorns 2421]

I think his punishment should be determined by his reason for carrying in the first place.  If CDC and Herman think he was carrying for protection then a few games suspension may be all that is warranted.  If they think he was carrying to perform a robbery or any other criminal act that a full year suspension or dismissal is warranted.

[Fondren & Main 6894]

Suspend him for the year regardless.  If he doesn’t have to do jail time then you can keep from dismissing him.  He knew the rules.  He should be grateful if they only suspend him for the year.

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

I tend to err toward leniency is these types of situations but it should be conditional. Herman needs to sit down with the young man and try to glean the truth out of him. If Moore is forth-right and remorseful, keep him. Suspend him for the season, monitor him, and make sure he knows that if there are any more incidents, he's gone. If something comes out during the legal process that indicates he's lying or if Herman gets the sense that the player is not telling him the truth in this the most dire of situations, shit can him. There is a chance for redemption if there is an understanding of right and wrong and the maturity to keep it on the straight and narrow moving forward. Not so if it is obvious that this could continue and even escalate to something else. 

Maybe it's not that easy but Saban is right - I'd rather Moore learn from his mistake, stay on campus and make positive strides in his life. 

Edited August 27, 2019 by ConferenceRoom

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Anyone know Josh personally and can share more info??  Josh previously lost an older brother to suicide.  Carrying a gun shows poor judgement and possibly other issues. May be a cry for help.  Hope Josh is currently  getting counseling ...

After verdict, Josh might either: a) portal out or b) not play in 2019 and redshirt if Herman/CDC decide he should get another chance.

 

Fyi:  Interesting comments from Saban on punishing players and 2nd chances

 

I don't know how hard saban was with his guy. I do know how hard my drill sergeants were with me for a prank I pulled when I wiped another guy's pillowcase on my ass and pissed in his shoe. I do know that it wasn't fun and I should've probably been kicked out. It was stupid of me to even think of pulling that shit. Idk what was going through Moore's head when he felt he needed a gun for whatever reason. Speaking for myself, I wanted to do something that would prove to my friends that I belonged. I'm thankful that the leadership over me had the sense to take my dumbass under their wing and mentor me. The ability to lead men is in rare supply these days. I hope Joshua Moore is able to find a better path in his life than one that takes him down the road of needing a gun for any situation he may find himself in. I sure found a better path than pulling stupid high school pranks and I thank the men and women that helped me find it.

[Born Burnt 6274]

23 minutes ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

I do know how hard my drill sergeants were with me for a prank I pulled when I wiped another guy's pillowcase on my ass and pissed in his shoe. 

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

10 minutes ago, Born Burnt said:

Look at this guy pretending he hasn't done that. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22283]

Wiping your ass on a pillow case and pissing in a shoe is gross, but it won’t kill anyone. There’s no reason to be walking around with a 30 round magazine that doesn’t involve intent to do serious bodily harm or kill someone

[Blotto 24011]

54 minutes ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

I do know how hard my drill sergeants were with me for a prank I pulled when I wiped another guy's pillowcase on my ass

Was he asleep at the time?

[TwiceHorn 32073]

13 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Wiping your ass on a pillow case and pissing in a shoe is gross, but it won’t kill anyone. There’s no reason to be walking around with a 30 round magazine that doesn’t involve intent to do serious bodily harm or kill someone

Well, there is also playin' gangsta, which may well end in serious bodily harm or death.  But I'm not sure the intention is fully formed.  Depends on whether he had these sights installed:

Jests aside, there is ample room for this to remain firmly on the side of galactically stupid without crossing the murderous mayhem bridge.  But I think trying to ascertain which side of the bridge it was actually on and punishing accordingly is a hazardous business.

That he was apprehended before any mayhem or threatened mayhem ensued is probably a good sign (meaning, he didn't skin his smoke wagon and immediately try to turn anyone's head into a canoe).

Edited August 27, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

21 minutes ago, Born Burnt said:

I admit. It was fucking gross. And when I did it, I recognized that I was choosing to follow through with a bad idea. It was a shitbag thing to do. If I'm being honest, I knew I wasn't doing anything that would do any real harm. I grew up with FAR worse. But if you feel you need to crucify anyone,  then crucify me. When push came to shove and shit got real, owned up to everything i did. I even got accused of pouring bbq sauce from Vienna sausage into his other shoe. That I didn't do. However, I did rectify the things I did do.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Was he asleep at the time?

Nope.

[SA-KC_Horn 1298]

I wouldn't mind kicking off the team since it is a violation of team rules.

But if a second chance is presented then suspended him the entire year, with required counseling and shit tons of community service. 

[CooterBrown 18287]

His dad posted that same Saban video on Facebook. Maybe just wishful thinking.

 

[Steel Shank 9552]

If he's not kicked off the team, his punishment needs to be severe enough that other players will clearly get the message not to pull stupid ass shit like Josh did.

[hookem48 4841]

2 hours ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

I don't know how hard saban was with his guy. I do know how hard my drill sergeants were with me for a prank I pulled when I wiped another guy's pillowcase on my ass and pissed in his shoe. I do know that it wasn't fun and I should've probably been kicked out. It was stupid of me to even think of pulling that shit. Idk what was going through Moore's head when he felt he needed a gun for whatever reason. Speaking for myself, I wanted to do something that would prove to my friends that I belonged. I'm thankful that the leadership over me had the sense to take my dumbass under their wing and mentor me. The ability to lead men is in rare supply these days. I hope Joshua Moore is able to find a better path in his life than one that takes him down the road of needing a gun for any situation he may find himself in. I sure found a better path than pulling stupid high school pranks and I thank the men and women that helped me find it.

damn, Charles Haley posts here

[4th and 5 5003]

1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

There’s no reason to be walking around with a 30 round magazine that doesn’t involve intent to do serious bodily harm or kill someone

I'm a bleeding heart criminal defense attorney and surly gun nut. I'm willing to look the other way at times if that means longhorn nation is back. I was looking forward to Josh's contribution to the team. He clearly has the ability to start.

But I can't get past what is alleged. There is no reason that is acceptable. It shows incredibly bad judgment and is indicative of a character we do not want associated with our athletic program.  

He let his teammates down. And the team needs to know there are consequences for bad choices, and that they are enforced.

Some choices you make, you just can't come back from.

He needs to be gone, permanently.

 

[Zone Read 299]

2 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

I'm a bleeding heart criminal defense attorney and surly gun nut. I'm willing to look the other way at times if that means longhorn nation is back. I was looking forward to Josh's contribution to the team. He clearly has the ability to start.

But I can't get past what is alleged. There is no reason that is acceptable. It shows incredibly bad judgment and is indicative of a character we do not want associated with our athletic program.  

He let his teammates down. And the team needs to know there are consequences for bad choices, and that they are enforced.

Some choices you make, you just can't come back from.

He needs to be gone, permanently.

 

Interesting take.  Former juvenile prosecutor and also a gun nut.  I'm not sure there are any extenuating circumstances that could allow me to think that this was just a dumb mistake you can recover from.  If you life was threatened, don't go to that location.  To have a loaded Glock with a 30 round magazine on your person can only mean you were on the offensive, not just protecting yourself.  I can only see it as he was fixing to kill someone, maybe several people.  Maybe I'm wrong and I certainly hope I am.  I trust that our Coach will handle it appropriately and show leniency if it is warranted.   

[Bruh Man 3160]

1 minute ago, Zone Read said:

Interesting take.  Former juvenile prosecutor and also a gun nut.  I'm not sure there are any extenuating circumstances that could allow me to think that this was just a dumb mistake you can recover from.  If you life was threatened, don't go to that location.  To have a loaded Glock with a 30 round magazine on your person can only mean you were on the offensive, not just protecting yourself.  I can only see it as he was fixing to kill someone, maybe several people.  Maybe I'm wrong and I certainly hope I am.  I trust that our Coach will handle it appropriately and show leniency if it is warranted.   

i think you're wrong and out of touch. 6th street is dangerous and kids these days are obsessed with "sticks" on their guns. you can chalk that up to hip hop. it doesn't mean he was going on the offensive. 

[TwiceHorn 32073]

2 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

i think you're wrong and out of touch. 6th street is dangerous and kids these days are obsessed with "sticks" on their guns. you can chalk that up to hip hop. it doesn't mean he was going on the offensive. 

Yeah, as alluded to earlier with the homeboy nyte sytes, I tend to think the origins of this were some dumbass wannabe gangsta bullshit, not a bona fide intent to shoot anyone.  It's just a extra- extra-stupid and macho version of playing with guns.

 

Now, God knows that dumbass wannabe gangsta bullshit has led to a lot of death and mayhem, and it might be justifiable to kick a kid off the team for engaging in it, which I think is the genesis of the "no guns" rule.

[4th and 5 5003]

30 round mag, racking my slide, got my gat in my shorts, creep'n on dirty 6th.....just play'n y'all!!

or were we seconds away from an aggravated assault, aggravated robbery or murder?

 

[Tex Long 4661]

Coulda been worse - he mighta gone tothe local Costco and shot a regard and the regard's parents after the regard bumped/shoved him while he was waiting for his free sausage snack.

[Thiefery 5108]

39 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

i think you're wrong and out of touch. 6th street is dangerous and kids these days are obsessed with "sticks" on their guns. you can chalk that up to hip hop. it doesn't mean he was going on the offensive. 

Still blaming rap..

 

 

[Eggo 4026]

5 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Wiping your ass on a pillow case and pissing in a shoe is gross, but it won’t kill anyone.

It will give a guy a vicious case of pink eye though.

[markstanco 12786]

I wouldn't mind kicking off the team since it is a violation of team rules.
But if a second chance is presented then suspended him the entire year, with required counseling and shit tons of community service. 

I predicted a few months ago he would have a breakout year, if this happens it will screw all of it up.

[markstanco 12786]

I'm a bleeding heart criminal defense attorney and surly gun nut. I'm willing to look the other way at times if that means longhorn nation is back. I was looking forward to Josh's contribution to the team. He clearly has the ability to start.
But I can't get past what is alleged. There is no reason that is acceptable. It shows incredibly bad judgment and is indicative of a character we do not want associated with our athletic program.  
He let his teammates down. And the team needs to know there are consequences for bad choices, and that they are enforced.
Some choices you make, you just can't come back from.
He needs to be gone, permanently.
 

Your first and last sentence is extremely contradictory. Choose a side.

[Irieguy 1059]

12 minutes ago, markstanco said:

9 hours ago, 4th and 5 said:

I'm a bleeding heart criminal defense attorney and surly gun nut. I'm willing to look the other way at times if that means longhorn nation is back. I was looking forward to Josh's contribution to the team. He clearly has the ability to start.
But I can't get past what is alleged. There is no reason that is acceptable. It shows incredibly bad judgment and is indicative of a character we do not want associated with our athletic program.  
He let his teammates down. And the team needs to know there are consequences for bad choices, and that they are enforced.
Some choices you make, you just can't come back from.
He needs to be gone, permanently.
 

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Your first and last sentence is extremely contradictory. Choose a side.

No they aren’t. He’s saying that even though he’s a bleeding heart criminal defense attorney that he thinks Moore’s actions are egregious enough to warrant kicking him off the team. He picked the side of punishing Moore strongly. Everybody understood that except you. 

[Gil Bang 26230]

If 6th street is dangerous then don’t go there.

A lot of you guys carry guns. I do not. If there’s a place that I’m too scared to go unarmed, I don’t go at all. Problem solved.

This kid needs to get kicked the fuck off the team

[Laga4 1270]

I don't agree with zero tolerance,  but I would say that a core value should be as close to zero tolerance as you can get.

If what is charged is true he needs to go.  

Edited August 28, 2019 by Laga4

[Zavala 1384]

Lol the magazine size arguement is sounding like one of those idiots saying "Fully semi automatic"! Who cares the fucking clip size. I've seen dudes in my frat carrying full auto uzis under their seats in their truck because they had rich daddies and thought it was cool.

Dumbfuck move, but the kid probably just doesn't know much about guns and an extendo clip is part of the badassedness of carrying. 

I'd be fine with a slap upside the head and 4 to 6 game suspension. I don't think the intent to do anything was there just dumbass being hard like the kewl mumble rap tells em to be.

 

[Armybrat 41391]

The can is rather superfluous in thar scenario. As is the extended mag.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Armybrat