Mass Shootings

[C-Man 27777]

8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Or maybe he plans to die fighting. Crazy motherfucker.

I think he's either escaped their little dragnet or he's dead somewhere.

[Underdog 29162]

Bear food. 

[BevoAbyss 2180]

All those AK-47 killing machines are not to protect liberty and personal security ... but to enforce the fascist-theocratic tyranny of MAGA-GQP when they start overthrowing elections. And it's coming, sooner or later.

Edited October 27, 2023 by BevoAbyss

[Covri 6368]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I think he's either escaped their little dragnet or he's dead somewhere.

All it would take his him getting to some planned spot getting in a vehicle that won’t immediately tie to him and driving off. Boston is 2 hours away. I’ve been to Auburn/Lewiston, flew into Boston, drove to Portland, then Auburn, went back and forth to Portland  and the thing I remember about the drive is we seemed to go a different route each time based on who was driving (was with locals to Auburn). Lots of windy roads, alternate routes, minimal traffic, highways avoided to avoid cops, etc.

 

I’m honestly surprised we don’t have more of these events where the person does try and get away to do it all over again somewhere else. Gotta up the game to become infamous. Surprised we haven’t had a DC sniper copycat for example. 

[chainsaw 10282]

They got him.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/us/maine-shootings-suspect-search-friday/index.html

[fattyflattie 4640]

8 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Sorry, I don't buy this bullshit from Golden. 

Oh, now that YOUR family and constituents are in possible danger, you've changed your mind about assault weapons? Fuck you. Too many people in the country are unable to empathize unless they are directly affected. Again, fuck you. This is just political survival and an act of selfishness disguised as something noble. And mostly everyone falls for it. 

 

I assume you felt the same when Beto did this, in the literal exact same manner?   

[InkaUtexas 26860]

17 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

They got him.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/27/us/maine-shootings-suspect-search-friday/index.html

He got him self. 

[chainsaw 10282]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

He got him self. 

Yeah, I don't think he expected them to take so long finding him.

[RomaVicta 30556]

This is, apparently, an actual madman, but I don't get killing as many people as you can prior to suicide.

Above, it was reported that his note said that he would not be found alive. He evidently had the suicide planned from the start. What is going on with taking as many strangers as you can down with you?

[Bama Llama 1508]

10 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

What is going on with taking as many strangers as you can down with you?

There’s the fucking rub. Killer psychos just off yourselves and be worm food.

[C-Man 27777]

I assume you felt the same when Beto did this, in the literal exact same manner?   

Uh, pretty sure Beto didn’t change his stance on AR-like weapons based on El Paso. It just made him angry enough to loudly restate said stance. Sadly, it wound up hurting him politically. What a country!

[jimmyjazz 47127]

15 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I assume you felt the same when Beto did this, in the literal exact same manner?   

Fatty with the hot yet phenomenally stupid take.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Uh, pretty sure Beto didn’t change his stance on AR-like weapons based on El Paso. It just made him angry enough to loudly restate said stance. Sadly, it wound up hurting him politically. What a country!

I’m pretty sure he made contradictory statements just a few weeks apart from the events, actually.  And he rightfully lost his support and likely his political career for next decade.  

[Satchel 6982]

11 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’m pretty sure he made contradictory statements just a few weeks apart from the events, actually.  And he rightfully lost his support and likely his political career for next decade.  

How was he unclear on his views about guns?

[fattyflattie 4640]

4 minutes ago, Satchel said:

How was he unclear on his views about guns?

Well he went from “I’m 2nd friendly” to “now that it’s affected me, [hell yeah] I’m coming to take ones I deem apropos away from you”.

Which begs the question, why didn’t he care about the kids, adults, communities affected by those specific arms before it “hit home”?  Did he care, but decided it wasn’t good for his career, so he instead chose to be cowardly, and was untruthful?   I made a similar statement (I believe it’s human nature, after all) and my statement has been misconstrued and twisted in an attempt to continually call me out on these threads. I couldn’t gaf, really, but I do find it curious. I believe it’s because Beto’s politics are palatable for you, so it’s A-ok for him. My politics are not, so it’s ghoulish. 

[jimmyjazz 47127]

Jesus, dude. He's always been for an assault weapons ban a la mid-90s to mid-aughts.  He didn't change from that.  You're so fucking determined to catch him in a gotcha that you don't even pay attention to facts.  Again, some things never change.  Try to be less thick.

[Red Five 41703]

6 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

so it’s ghoulish.

THAT'S what you find ghoulish? 

[4th&Five 41984]

Can we not do this again with fatfuck? There’s no point. 

[C-Man 27777]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Well he went from “I’m 2nd friendly” to “now that it’s affected me, [hell yeah] I’m coming to take ones I deem apropos away from you”.

Which begs the question, why didn’t he care about the kids, adults, communities affected by those specific arms before it “hit home”?  Did he care, but decided it wasn’t good for his career, so he instead chose to be cowardly, and was untruthful?   I made a similar statement (I believe it’s human nature, after all) and my statement has been misconstrued and twisted in an attempt to continually call me out on these threads. I couldn’t gaf, really, but I do find it curious. I believe it’s because Beto’s politics are palatable for you, so it’s A-ok for him. My politics are not, so it’s ghoulish. 

It's not his fault that the majority of the electorate in this state is so rock-head stupid or has mastubatory tendencies to all things assault-weapony that he felt he had to tread carefully in order to have a CHANCE at winning an election. This state fucking sucks in many, many ways.

[aggie08 21792]

23 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not just this, it's a business decision on top of that. Gun manufacturers make BANK after mass shootings.

It's depressing that, after a particularly bad mass shooting, even gun nuts think, "Surely, this will be the one that actually causes action, and our unfettered access to guns and ammo will finally be limited. Better stock up!"

Sad that, 1, loading up on ammo is their initial thought, and, 2, that even they're expecting the government to try to do something about it, despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus, dude. He's always been for an assault weapons ban a la mid-90s to mid-aughts.  He didn't change from that.  You're so fucking determined to catch him in a gotcha that you don't even pay attention to facts.  Again, some things never change.  Try to be less thick.

I don’t need to catch him in anything. Aside from a punchline, doubt we’ll ever hear his name again.  Whether he was born to be in it, or otherwise.   

[jimmyjazz 47127]

12 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don’t need to catch him in anything. 

Oh, but you do.  You are pathalogically wired to ignore truth and spew bullshit.

[Satchel 6982]

When wrestling with issue of unchecked gun violence, I am reminded of something called the Naaman Effect. In its abbreviated form , it is when we confer upon ourselves permission to live in a state of misalignment. This is particularly true for those of us who, for a variety of reasons, won’t fully live our convictions regarding the evils of gun violence and our tolerance of it. We know better, but we won’t o do better.  I have to believe that we will eventually be called to a place beyond the Naaman Effect and into a place of alignment that will prompt us to fight gun violence with integrity and without fear.

[Brisketexan 106874]

When wrestling with issue of unchecked gun violence, I am reminded of something called the Naaman Effect. In its abbreviated form , it is when we confer upon ourselves permission to live in a state of misalignment. This is particularly true for those of us who, for a variety of reasons, won’t fully live our convictions regarding the evils of gun violence and our tolerance of it. We know better, but we won’t o do better.  I have to believe that we will eventually be called to a place beyond the Naaman Effect and into a place of alignment that will prompt us to fight gun violence with integrity and without fear.

We need to reach the Newman Effect….

[mchookem 16765]

5 hours ago, C-Man said:

It's not his fault that the majority of the electorate in this state is so rock-head stupid or has mastubatory tendencies to all things assault-weapony that he felt he had to tread carefully in order to have a CHANCE at winning an election. This state fucking sucks in many, many ways.

this is correct.

c'est comme ca.

[bernorange 8385]

So pages from the Nashville shooter's notebook/journal/manifesto have been leaked online.

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1721545965402726734

https://dailycaller.com/2023/11/06/nashville-police-school-shooter-manifesto-steven-crowder/

 

[Anastasis 23716]

Doesn't read like a manifesto to me. Few journal rantings of a mentally deranged individual and their schedule. If that shit is real, it is not clear to me why it has been suppressed. Maybe there is something in the others pages that have not leaked.  

[C-Man 27777]

This is what all the MAGAt/Q-dipshits have been screaming conspiracy over for six months?

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20907]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

This is what all the MAGAt/Q-dipshits have been screaming conspiracy over for six months?

They still are.  It's sad that this ONE particular mass shooting has them up in arms but the other 620+ that have occurred this year in the U.S. do not.

 

[YGIFS 19458]

I honestly forget with all the mental hoops the stupids have to jump through to to their desired conclusions.  What was the original conspiracy with this particular shooting in Nashville?  Something about the shooter being trans, so therefore unhinged and ineligible to buy assault-style weapons?  Or one of the Kennedy's?  Or Autism?  Or library books?  I sincerely don't remember on this one.

[Neonmoon 38130]

9 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

They still are.  It's sad that this ONE particular mass shooting has them up in arms but the other 620+ that have occurred this year in the U.S. do not.

 

Why do you think he posted it

[Guest]

You know, following this shooting, I'd be fine with not allowing trans people to buy assault weapons. And then if we just work our way up with the other offenders not being allowed -- mentally ill, 18-year-olds, incels, 64-year-old millionaires, guys living in Allen, Texas, dudes living in Maine -- we will eventually hit critical mass and no longer have to worry about being in the shadow of a Las Vegas hotel during a concert or being in a 4th grade classroom after the morning awards assembly. 

[jimmyjazz 47127]

28 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

You know, following this shooting, I'd be fine with not allowing trans people to buy assault weapons. And then if we just work our way up with the other offenders not being allowed -- mentally ill, 18-year-olds, incels, 64-year-old millionaires, guys living in Allen, Texas, dudes living in Maine -- we will eventually hit critical mass and no longer have to worry about being in the shadow of a Las Vegas hotel during a concert or being in a 4th grade classroom after the morning awards assembly. 

Maybe we could start the ban with "white guys".

Just spit-balling here.

Signed,

White Guy

[Anastasis 23716]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

This is what all the MAGAt/Q-dipshits have been screaming conspiracy over for six months?

And that was fed by refusal to release the "manifesto".  There is nothing I see there that should have been hidden from the public. Maybe there is some other material that warrants, but that does not.  

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Maybe we could start the ban with "white guys".

Just spit-balling here.

Signed,

White Guy

Yes, but think of how much easier it would be to get a ban on trans owning assault weapons. 

"Hey, Texas representative, I want to pass a bill that bans trans folks from..."

"Sold! Great idea. Love it!"

"But I didn't even finish my sentence..."

"You said enough."

[YGIFS 19458]

I'd like to be there when Dan Patrick has a bill in front of him that bans transsexuals from using the bathroom/locker room of the sex opposite of the one they were assigned at birth...at a shooting range.  

[henrygandorf 29225]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

And that was fed by refusal to release the "manifesto".  There is nothing I see there that should have been hidden from the public. Maybe there is some other material that warrants, but that does not.  

why does it matter?  i'm done with motives.

[Anastasis 23716]

11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

why does it matter?  i'm done with motives.

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

[henrygandorf 29225]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

ok.  i agree that data and analytics are important and should be studied.

over the past decade there have been about 6000 "mass shootings".  are we getting closer to understanding motives and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions?  do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

 

*mass shooting is defined by 4+ people getting killed or injured excluding the shooter

[YGIFS 19458]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

If only there were thousands of well-documented manifests, social media postings, message board rants, red flags, clinical diagnoses, worried family/friends calls to caseworkers and law enforcement, printed materials, underlined/highlighted books, subscription records, club memberships, donation histories, fringe group affiliations, extremist messages, audio recordings, video posts, and traceable firearms purchases that we could somehow look to in order to engage in, as you say, "understanding the motives behind mass shootings."  But alas, it's all just lost to time.  I'm sure another 500 or so of these could finally furnish us with the data set that could provide us with some shred of understanding of how these mass shootings get committed.  If only there were some evidentiary proof.  But we may never know.  

[Anastasis 23716]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

I am not sure that it would, but why should we throw any data point out, esp a contemporary one?  

[henrygandorf 29225]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am not sure that it would, but why should we throw any data point out, esp a contemporary one?  

that wasn't a real question.  thought that was pretty obvious.

any controversy about why and when and if it would get released has absolutely zero to do with finding another data point and everybody with a working brain cell already knows that.

[SydneyCarton 49477]

So I assume now it has switched immediately to "That's not the REAL manifesto" or "That isn't the complete manifesto." And around we go again. 

[henrygandorf 29225]

there could be a mass shooting orchestrated by every single corner of every single demographic for every single specific motive and half the country still couldn't find the common denominator with two hands and a flashlight.

[YGIFS 19458]

In a weird way, this reminds me of the John Mulaney bit about how homicide investigations worked before DNA.  

"Hey Lieutenant, we found a pool of the killer's blood leading away from the victim's body.  Must have been some kinda struggle."

"Ewww, gross.  Mop it up.  Now then, back to my hunch..." 

with all we know after thousands of these, it's still...

"I wonder how the suspect managed to kill so many people before the police could arrive on scene."

"I don't know rookie.  I'm busy analyzing this manifesto's handwriting to make sure we're not being duped by some mass conspiracy." 

[Neonmoon 38130]

I've done my own research on the topic, and I'm a cunt's hair away from breaking this case wide open

Spoiler

It's the guns

 

[henrygandorf 29225]

if a rabid trumper/white nationalist did this, then it's thoughts and prayers and absolutely the wrong time to talk about legislation how dare you?

if someone from the left did this, then it's a false flag operation to make guns look bad.

i don't need no manifesto to tell me that.

[pacman 7502]

[Eskimohorn 5682]

That's fine, but I disagree. I think that understanding the motives behind mass shootings is one important part of developing and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions.  

Whose understanding?

[fattyflattie 4640]

On 11/7/2023 at 1:44 PM, henrygandorf said:

ok.  i agree that data and analytics are important and should be studied.

over the past decade there have been about 6000 "mass shootings".  are we getting closer to understanding motives and implementing realistic and outcomes-oriented solutions?  do you think this manifesto will break the case wide open?

 

*mass shooting is defined by 4+ people getting killed or injured excluding the shooter

Do you have a demo break down on that number?