Mass Shootings

[Helobious 9426]

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

LOL, I literally have a pic of a charred corpse on my second monitor as I prepare for a hearing in a murder case. Its a reasonable request and has nothing to do with "mental weakness." Go fuck yourself Helo

I never said you were mentally weak, just the idea that pics like that need to be censored for those that are. If you grew up around the internet you’ve seen way worse stuff than that. It’s a part of everyday reality in America and elsewhere.

[UnivTex34 1762]

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Yes, having the members of this board perform one additional click of the mouse is "ignoring" the issue.

 

3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

if 7 year old's can see their friend's destroyed by an ar-15 we should all be forced to see the aftermath. put these on billboards.

Put into words much better than I did.

 

 

[Captainant 26927]

Honestly, if the media wasn't so gunshy about showing the aftermath and consequences of a "no compromises" second amendment we probably wouldn't be as deep into this mess as we are.

[Pound Town 21]

god damn

[GhostOfTomJoad 9252]

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

[royiv 9045]

17 minutes ago, Foosters said:

um, maybe we can spoiler that?

Nope. We accept the carnage in this country as the cost of freedom to unfettered access to assault weapons. If you can't take seeing what happens, you're not a freedom loving American.

[Helobious 9426]

7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Honestly, if the media wasn't so gunshy about showing the aftermath and consequences of a "no compromises" second amendment we probably wouldn't be as deep into this mess as we are.

The way we portray violence in movies I think desensitized a lot of people here to it. Watch someone get shot in a Marvel or x-men movie. They immediately just fall down, no blood whatsoever. I was watching beheading and real death vids online by the time I was 12 or 13, so I knew how fake and misleading the movie stuff was. A kid that didn’t do that wouldn’t know, however. If it was presented more realistically I think it would change the way a lot of people feel about violence.

[royiv 9045]

Just now, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

And @fattyflattie.

[Born to Run 6364]

And [mention=205]fattyflattie[/mention].

His kids are not enrolled in Uvalde ISD

[dieucla98 2782]

I forget who said it but paraphrasing - the gun debate died at Sandy Hook. When we deemed as a country that dead children in their elementary school wasn't enough to force change, the argument was over.

At the time, I refused to believe it - it was too cynical even for the likes of me. But they were 100% spot on.

Last month, I was fortunate enough to attend a talk by Jacinda Ardern - PM of NZ when they had the mass shootings at mosques in Christchurch. Again, paraphrasing - "we disagreed on a lot of things, but we banned AR style weapons with a near unanimous vote in short order." It was so just matter of fact the way she put it - like, "no shit, we banned ARs and everyone was on board because it's the logical thing to do." Refreshing to hear but infuriating at the same time.

[Brisketexan 103657]

52 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

Goddamn.  That's a really good idea.

[Nuge 1952]

That shit needs to be seen.  I fucking burst into tears.  It's so awful. 

[Underdog 28231]

Tweeted pics to GOP X feed. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19262]

52 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Goddamn.  That's a really good idea.

I might donate a couple hundred bucks to an organization that would print and send said Christmas cards. 

[mchookem 15575]

the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of school children and Walmart shoppers. duh.

 

[DDD Dad 14078]

2 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Goddamn.  That's a really good idea.

 

29 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I might donate a couple hundred bucks to an organization that would print and send said Christmas cards. 

Surly Christmas card fund?

[Macanudo 12798]

2 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

The policitians, their staff members and all of their family.   When I do get bent out of shape anymore and decide to call Cruz or Crenshaw's offices, I don't even go after those two fucktards.  I remind the intern answering the phone what kind of cretin the man they work for is.  

[Ten Bears 2443]

Like they would look at those cards or care if they did.

[TexEx15 17349]

4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Washington Post publishing some new pictures from mass shooting scenes and a story on the destruction caused by AR-15. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-force-mass-shootings/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNzAwMTEwODAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNzAxNDkzMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE3MDAxMTA4MDAsImp0aSI6Ijc3NmYyNWM1LWU2OGMtNGNhZC04YTYwLTA0YzI0NzVlMzhjZCIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9uYXRpb24vaW50ZXJhY3RpdmUvMjAyMy9hci0xNS1mb3JjZS1tYXNzLXNob290aW5ncy8ifQ.7efbgSmq81iYz4faf3l_0zqhQg7Wk0bXd93Sk2zOodc&itid=gfta

Sutherland Springs: 

Uvalde:

 

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Las Vegas:

 

"We were standing there looking at the scene and the phones kept ringing and ringing and ringing in the backpacks and on the desk of the parents calling their children. ... They kept calling and calling and calling." Eulalio Diaz, justice of the peace and coroner. Uvalde.

 

CC: @fattyflattie

[fattyflattie 4633]

18 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

CC: @fattyflattie

Why you @ me?    Because some maniacs killed a bunch of people?

[4th&Five 41245]

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

CC: @fattyflattie

 

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Why you @ me?    Because some maniacs killed a bunch of people?

Just stop before it starts. It's the same tired arguments back and forth that gets nowhere. 

If you want to change minds: https://read.gov/aesop/143.html

[fattyflattie 4633]

Just now, FirstTimeCaller said:

Just stop before it starts. It's the same tired arguments back and forth that gets nowhere

Agreed. Something that would work should be proposed without the pork. Instead, we get tightened up braces and suppressor regs.  Where’s what’s her name and her welcome to America gif? 

[BearSchlong 8015]

That shit needs to be seen.  I fucking burst into tears.  It's so awful. 

Me too. Trying to get my shit together for a conference call. The videos are spine-chilling.

[dieucla98 2782]

The blood on the floor in Uvalde really got me... Belongs in a warzone or 3rd world country. But nope, right in the middle of one of the wealthiest states in the wealthiest country in the world.

[InkaUtexas 24933]

4 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The picture of the childrens' body bags lined up in the hallway in Uvalde should be made into an xmas card and mailed to every single politician who accepts a dime from the NRA.

I am in. And some billboards in front of their HQ and events. 

[TexEx15 17349]

23 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Why you @ me?    Because some maniacs killed a bunch of people?

Just hoping that at some point these people and children’s lives will mean enough that you actually support meaningful change through your vote rather than acting like you do on the internet. For example, voting for a candidate that believes in banning assault weapons rather than one that is beholden to groups like the NRA.

[fattyflattie 4633]

19 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Just hoping that at some point these people and children’s lives will mean enough that you actually support meaningful change through your vote rather than acting like you do on the internet. For example, voting for a candidate that believes in banning assault weapons rather than one that is beholden to groups like the NRA.

Single issue voting should be discouraged. Hopefully the R’s can get onboard with some of the more sensible restrictions someday.  I fear they will not. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

Just going to put this here, likely to be an unpopular take: a huge number of people are killed by guns in this country in this country each year. While mass shootings are becoming more common with time, only around 2% of gun deaths are from mass shootings. Of the other 98%, more than half are suicides. That’s icky, I know: sad people offed themselves with pistols. Hard to relate to. We had better avoid talking about that one.

I heard somebody say recently that healthy societies argue over distribution. Unhealthy ones argue over recognition. The debate about guns in this country seems to me more about winning culture wars than saving lives and preventing suffering and violence.

I am sorely angry with American Republicans and gun owners generally for fanning the flames of violence and promoting a gun culture or paranoia and agoraphobia while they cry crocodile tears about the mentally ill whom they refuse to care about. But- the catechistic Democrat line of banning AR-15s as a mechanism of preventing mass shootings continues to strike me as mostly performative and non-responsive, in the same way that Ivy League college admissions are a performative and beside the point way to think about affirmative action in education to address racial justice and inequality. 
 

At some point we have to ask ourselves whether we value human life and want to protect it, and to prevent tragedy and human suffering. If we do we will institute strong red flag laws, reform the NFA, control problem products like the AR-15 and hi capacity magazines, and focus our attention on our unaddressed mental health crisis, and nobody seems to be interested. A staffer for a current Democrat office holder tell me they know AR-15s aren’t going anywhere and there’s room for progress on things that would actually move the needle on gun violence but the politics of the base don’t support it in either party. Republican staffers have told me the the same thing.

And honestly, guys- cut the bullshit. Do you even care? It seems to me that if there is a bipartisan consensus about anything in this country, it is that we really don’t want to fix this. We’re too invested in the problem and the opportunities it creates to wave bloody shirts. Enjoy your crime scene porn.

#winning

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[4th&Five 41245]

[royiv 9045]

18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Just going to put this here, likely to be an unpopular take: a huge number of people are killed by guns in this country in this country each year. While mass shootings are becoming more common with time, only around 2% of gun deaths are from mass shootings. Of the other 98%, more than half are suicides. That’s icky, I know: sad people offed themselves with pistols. Hard to relate to. We had better avoid talking about that one.

I heard somebody say recently that healthy societies argue over distribution. Unhealthy ones argue over recognition. The debate about guns in this country seems to me more about winning culture wars than saving lives and preventing suffering and violence.

I am sorely angry with American Republicans and gun owners generally for fanning the flames of violence and promoting a gun culture or paranoia and agoraphobia while they cry crocodile tears about the mentally ill whom they refuse to care about. But- the catechistic Democrat line of banning AR-15s as a mechanism of preventing mass shootings continues to strike me as mostly performative and non-responsive, in the same way that Ivy League college admissions are a performative and beside the point way to think about affirmative action in education to address racial justice and inequality. 
 

At some point we have to ask ourselves whether we value human life and want to protect it, and to prevent tragedy and human suffering. If we do we will institute strong red flag laws, reform the NFA, control problem products like the AR-15 and hi capacity magazines, and focus our attention on our unaddressed mental health crisis, and nobody seems to be interested. A staffer for a current Democrat office holder tell me they know AR-15s aren’t going anywhere and there’s room for progress on things that would actually move the needle on gun violence but the politics of the base don’t support it in either party. Republican staffers have told me the the same thing.

And honestly, guys- cut the bullshit. Do you even care? It seems to me that if there is a bipartisan consensus about anything in this country, it is that we really don’t want to fix this. We’re too invested in the problem and the opportunities it creates to wave bloody shirts. Enjoy your crime scene porn.

#winning

Guns are a public health issue. Ban them.

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

10 minutes ago, royiv said:

Guns are a public health issue. Ban them.

“Hell yes!”

- US Senator Beto O’Rourke*
 

 

 

Spoiler

* an explainer for the smoothbrains: I know he didn’t suggest banning guns. He said they would take their AR-15’s, and it cost him the election because it’s a nonstarter. You don’t get to enjoy the privilege of indulging in nonstarters if you are actually serious about gun violence. That’s the joke. 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[royiv 9045]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“Hell yes!”

- US Senator Beto O’Rourke

 

Fuck off. Your "sensible gun owner" schtick is old. One side owns this crisis. Quit trying to both sides it. People say opinions on the issue can't be changed. They're wrong. I went from a gun owner that supported sensible gun control measures to someone who has disposed of all of his weapons that is now a gun ban absolutist. Why? Because one side won't budge so why should my new side negotiate with terrorists?

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

Fuck off. Your "sensible gun owner" schtick is old. One side owns this crisis. Quit trying to both sides it. People say opinions on the issue can't be changed. They're wrong. I went from a gun owner that supported sensible gun control measures to someone who has disposed of all of his weapons that is now a gun ban absolutist. Why? Because one side won't budge so why should my new side negotiate with terrorists?

You are very serious about this, I can tell. Tell me your very serious and practical path to a gun ban. How many people die of gunshot wounds while we wait?

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And honestly, guys- cut the bullshit. Do you even care? It seems to me that if there is a bipartisan consensus about anything in this country, it is that we really don’t want to fix this. We’re too invested in the problem and the opportunities it creates to wave bloody shirts. Enjoy your crime scene porn.

#winning

Is my sarcasm meter broken? Because, if not, holy fuck. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

9 minutes ago, royiv said:

Fuck off. Your "sensible gun owner" schtick is old. One side owns this crisis. Quit trying to both sides it. People say opinions on the issue can't be changed. They're wrong. I went from a gun owner that supported sensible gun control measures to someone who has disposed of all of his weapons that is now a gun ban absolutist. Why? Because one side won't budge so why should my new side negotiate with terrorists?

Oh and one more thing- now that your feet are planted so firmly on the high ground of righteousness, how about you spend the night volunteering in a domestic abuse shelter or staff a suicide hotline sometime? Or does the moral license of correct posture come with a dispensation?

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

8 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Is my sarcasm meter broken? Because, if not, holy fuck. 

This is not new for me. If there’s be thing growing up managing the fallout of mental illnesses, homelessness, domestic abuse, drug addiction and suicide taught me it’s that individuals care, but “people” don’t give a fuck and the politics of suffering mostly are a get out of jail free card. After, It’s only 26k suicides by handgun a year. Somebody will get to that eventually. 
Now, everyone gaze upon yon bloodstains and let your tears bathe you in absolution. You don’t have to actually accomplish anything.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[royiv 9045]

19 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You are very serious about this, I can tell. Tell me your very serious and practical path to a gun ban. How many people die of gunshot wounds while we wait?

You're a fucking moron. Please tell me your very serious and practical path to gun reform. How many people die of gunshot wounds while we wait? Because we currently have lots and lots of guns and lots and lots of gun violence.

[4th&Five 41245]

Jesus, y’all go ahead and argue with fatty. It’s actually more productive than the bozo tangent. 

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“Hell yes!”

- US Senator Beto O’Rourke*
 

 

 

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* an explainer for the smoothbrains: I know he didn’t suggest banning guns. He said they would take their AR-15’s, and it cost him the election because it’s a nonstarter. You don’t get to enjoy the privilege of indulging in nonstarters if you are actually serious about gun violence. That’s the joke. 

 

It cost him the presidential election? Because you do realize he said that quote in 2019... during the presidential debate and not during the senate run against Cruz? 

Edited November 16, 2023 by FirstTimeCaller

[Foosters 17638]

57 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

A staffer for a current Democrat office holder tell me they know AR-15s aren’t going anywhere and there’s room for progress on things that would actually move the needle on gun violence but the politics of the base don’t support it in either party.

Such as?

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

Just now, royiv said:

You're a fucking moron. Please tell me your very serious and practical path to gun reform. How many people die of gunshot wounds while we wait? Because we currently have lots and lots of guns and lots and lots of gun violence.

Are you personally willing to give cash money to a Democrat sponsor of an NFA reform that trades taking SBRs and suppressors off of NFA control in return for a federal red flag law?

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

It cost him the presidential election? Because you do realize he said that quote in 2019... during the presidential debate and not during the senate run again Cruz? 

So he did. Well he’s not president, either. He sure did emote though. People cheered! Good for him.

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Such as?

Safe storage requirements and a red flag law with owner liability in return for faster NFA registration processing times and removing suppressors from NFA control is the specific thing that conversation was about. You know, actual gun violence prevention.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[DDD Dad 14078]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Just going to put this here, likely to be an unpopular take:

It seems to me that if there is a bipartisan consensus about anything in this country, it is that we really don’t want to fix this. We’re too invested in the problem and the opportunities it creates to wave bloody shirts. Enjoy your crime scene porn.

I agree.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That this is an unpopular take.

 

Not as unpopular as a certain menu item at a golf resort in Miami, but unpopular nonetheless.

Edited November 16, 2023 by DDD Dad

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So he did. Well he’s not president, either. He sure did emote though. People cheered! Good for him.

@FirstTimeCaller btw it also cost him any realistic chance of beating Abbott in 2022. But it probably felt good. The point stands. 

[Foosters 17638]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Safe storage requirements and a red flag law with owner liability in return for faster NFA registration processing times and removing suppressors from NFA control is the specific thing that conversation was about. You know, actual gun violence prevention.

No, I don't know. That's why I'm asking you, the smug expert. 

But I do appreciate the insight that the myriad gun, safety, red flag laws, etc. that have been passed on the local and state levels in Democratic controlled regions, are just performative, and thus the Dems are equal to the GOP when it comes to addressing gun violence. Holy shit typing it out makes it seem even more insane than when you posted it

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So he did. Well he’s not president, either. He sure did emote though. People cheered! Good for him.

 Here's another little fact for you. The guy that won the nomination and the presidency has also said he wants to ban the gun. 

So you're 0-for-2, but keep thinking you're the smartest guy in the room at all times.

[royiv 9045]

16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Are you personally willing to give cash money to a Democrat sponsor of an NFA reform that trades taking SBRs and suppressors off of NFA control in return for a federal red flag law?

Why would I do that? I already stated that we should just get rid of guns. I think your hobby is dumb.

[Bozo_Casanova 25910]

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

But I do appreciate the insight that the myriad gun, safety, red flag laws, etc. that have been passed on the local and state levels in Democratic controlled regions, are just performative, and thus the Dems are equal to the GOP when it comes to addressing gun violence.

No, not all, and not equal. But making an assault weapons (read: AR-15) ban the centerpiece of gun violence strategy is unproductive and stupid, plays directly into the GOP strategy, and what’s worse is that many of the Democrats pushing that strategy know it.