Mass Shootings

[Biff Tannen 45226]

Bozo has gone bye bye Egon.  What have you got left?

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

13 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Here's another little fact for you. The guy that won the nomination and the presidency has also said he wants to ban the gun. 

 

Joe Biden has never said he would “take” the gun. Those two things are not remotely the same. And I’m saying that as someone who is basically indifferent about the AWB. Biden stuck to a political nonstarter that happens to be a viable party line. O’Rourke jumped into the cooling pond at Hanford and then tried giving out hugs. Just a ridiculous own-goal.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Biff Tannen 45226]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

At some point we have to ask ourselves whether we value human life and want to protect it, and to prevent tragedy and human suffering. If we do we will institute strong red flag laws, reform the NFA, control problem products like the AR-15 and hi capacity magazines, and focus our attention on our unaddressed mental health crisis, and nobody seems to be interested.

Literally every person I know that wants to do something about the gun problem is in favor of all of this.  WTF are you smoking tonight man?

[royiv 9045]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Literally every person I know that wants to do something about the gun problem is in favor of all of this.  WTF are you smoking tonight man?

Forget it. He's rolling. 

[C-Man 26755]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Single issue voting should be discouraged. Hopefully the R’s can get onboard with some of the more sensible restrictions someday.  I fear they will not. 

Good thing the GOP/GQP have myriad other abhorrent policy positions -- or perhaps better started, non-policy positions -- to choose from. Voting against R's these days is far from a one-issue vote.

 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Just going to put this here, likely to be an unpopular take: a huge number of people are killed by guns in this country in this country each year. While mass shootings are becoming more common with time, only around 2% of gun deaths are from mass shootings. Of the other 98%, more than half are suicides. That’s icky, I know: sad people offed themselves with pistols. Hard to relate to. We had better avoid talking about that one.

I heard somebody say recently that healthy societies argue over distribution. Unhealthy ones argue over recognition. The debate about guns in this country seems to me more about winning culture wars than saving lives and preventing suffering and violence.

I am sorely angry with American Republicans and gun owners generally for fanning the flames of violence and promoting a gun culture or paranoia and agoraphobia while they cry crocodile tears about the mentally ill whom they refuse to care about. But- the catechistic Democrat line of banning AR-15s as a mechanism of preventing mass shootings continues to strike me as mostly performative and non-responsive, in the same way that Ivy League college admissions are a performative and beside the point way to think about affirmative action in education to address racial justice and inequality. 
 

At some point we have to ask ourselves whether we value human life and want to protect it, and to prevent tragedy and human suffering. If we do we will institute strong red flag laws, reform the NFA, control problem products like the AR-15 and hi capacity magazines, and focus our attention on our unaddressed mental health crisis, and nobody seems to be interested. A staffer for a current Democrat office holder tell me they know AR-15s aren’t going anywhere and there’s room for progress on things that would actually move the needle on gun violence but the politics of the base don’t support it in either party. Republican staffers have told me the the same thing.

And honestly, guys- cut the bullshit. Do you even care? It seems to me that if there is a bipartisan consensus about anything in this country, it is that we really don’t want to fix this. We’re too invested in the problem and the opportunities it creates to wave bloody shirts. Enjoy your crime scene porn.

#winning

News flash, we'd like to ALL of these things but you know well and good that one party doesn't support any of the shit you mention, or does NOTHING to actually put any of that into action. I'm not a "ban all guns" guy. I definitely don't think every Tom, Dick and Harry American should be able to own AR-15 style weaponry. But I'm sensible. You can't win every game on the schedule in the very first game.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

11 minutes ago, royiv said:

Why would I do that?

Because that is a politically viable path to a federal red flag law that would save lives if it didn’t come with Democratic primary challenges attached to it. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Literally every person I know that wants to do something about the gun problem is in favor of all of this.

And what I am telling you is what has been communicated to me: ANY grand compromise that delivers those things in return for stuff gun owners want but does not deliver an AWB comes with primary challenges. It’s an incentives problem.

what would you support giving the GOP in return for those things?

[Biff Tannen 45226]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

what would you support giving the GOP in return for those things?

Fewer dead humans.

[mchookem 15574]

[royiv 9045]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because that is a politically viable path to a federal red flag law that would save lives if it didn’t come with Democratic primary challenges attached to it. 

 

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And what I am telling you is what has been communicated to me: ANY grand compromise that delivers those things in return for stuff gun owners want but does not deliver an AWB comes with primary challenges. It’s an incentives problem.

what would you support giving the GOP in return for those things?

Why should we be appeasing radical gun owners to get rules in place that save lives? You can't negotiate with terrorists.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I definitely don't think every Tom, Dick and Harry American should be able to own AR-15 style weaponry

Every Tom Dick and Harry American can own an actual machine gun my man. They just have to pay for it (expensive) and go through the NFA process to do it, which takes 6-9 months, which is exactly the same as the process to get a can to make your .22lr plinker 24dbs less noisy. 
 

one of those things is not on the list and should be. One of them is and shouldn’t. Tradeoffs could and should be made.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

3 minutes ago, royiv said:

Why should we be appeasing radical gun owners to get rules in place that save lives? You can't negotiate with terrorists.

That’s cute. When I do this bit on the Gun Owners thread they have tantrums about it too. Y’all deserve each other. 

[Foosters 17638]

Ok later dude 

[jimmyjazz 45211]

This pisses me off.  I'm talking to you, @Bozo_Casanova.  Fuck your both-sides stance.

 

Suicide is awful.  It has hit my family.  The family never recovers.  Access to a gun makes it all the more likely.

Murder is awful.  Access to a gun makes it all the more likely.

Mass shootings are awful.  Access to guns makes them all the more likely.

 

Get rid of the guns and you probably eliminate the vast majority of these deaths.  Of course mass shootings are relatively rare.  Who the fuck cares?  All of these deaths are tragic.  Why are you, a person of apparent high intellect and great empathy treading a stupid fine line of "well . . ."?  Fuck that, man.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

12 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Fewer dead humans.

I think it’s clear they aren’t interested in that one. What else would you support?

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[YGIFS 19445]

34 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Safe storage requirements and a red flag law with owner liability in return for faster NFA registration processing times and removing suppressors from NFA control is the specific thing that conversation was about. You know, actual gun violence prevention.

Not sure if we've talked about the suicide component of guns on this thread or if it was another one.  But you raised a legit point.  We lose a lot of people, a disproportionate amount to suicide-by-gun in this country.  So much so it begs the question, why?  We have just many unhappy people as anywhere else.  We have way more drugs and tall buildings.  There are vast studies done that suggest that there'd be far less suicide if a quick and painless way, like a bullet through the brain, wasn't so readily available.  That long walk to the bridge gives one significant time to ponder and reflect.  Even swallowing a bottle of pills can give one time to vomit and call for help.  So while we want to wish away that 2% that die from mass shootings, we should also reflect upon the fact that we take our own lives with guns far, far more than any other country does too.  Because we don't treat addiction, don't treat mental health, and don't treat suicidal/homicidal red flags except that we offer them as much firepower as possible, with no money down.  

And then your "safe storage" mention.  Why is it the country that prides itself on a well regulated militia.  That exercises its constitutional right.  That apparently has no issues with mass shootings or firearm suicide.  That prides itself, even sucks its own dick, over "Responsible Gun Ownership" and "Gun Safety" and "Trigger Discipline" keeps fucking shooting itself?  We have the means, the money, and the resources to properly secure our weapons.  And yet, one nation stands boldly apart from "shithole countries" and is singularly best at accidental shootings, child deaths by gun, un-secured weapons, stolen weapons, and mistaken discharges...the United States.  The one country charged with being well-armed and well-secured...we can't help but mistakenly have thousands upon thousands of accidental deaths because "responsible gun owners" do such a bang-up job of storing their guns.  

We're fucking idiots.  Toddlers, even.  With stupidly easy access to stupid amounts of stupidly powerful weapons.  

[Biff Tannen 45226]

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I think it’s clear they aren’t interested in that one. What else would you support?

Then we are at an impasse.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Get rid of the guns and you probably eliminate the vast majority of these deaths.  Of course mass shootings are relatively rare.  Who the fuck cares?  All of these deaths are tragic.  Why are you, a person of apparent high intellect and great empathy treading a stupid fine line of "well . . ."?  Fuck that, man.

My friend, I am sorry that you have also experienced these things. And for that reason we don’t have the privilege of distance from the issue or fantasy. Solving real problems starts with clearly viewing the world as it is, not as we want it to be. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[jimmyjazz 45211]

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

My friend, I have sorry that you have also experience these things. And for that reason we don’t have the privilege of distance from the issue or fantasy. Solving real problems starts with clearly viewing the world as it is, not as we want it to be. 

So you've experienced these things yet you have the clear view?  And I don't?  

[royiv 9045]

22 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

to get a can to make your .22lr plinker 24dbs less noisy

Earmuffs are a whole lot cheaper and Amazon can have them at your door tomorrow morning.

[DDD Dad 14078]

36 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Literally every person I know that wants to do something about the gun problem is in favor of all of this.  WTF are you smoking tonight man?

It's the burrata.  Or maybe it's the pesto.  What do you think, @Bozo_Casanova

[Brisketexan 103656]

@Bozo_Casanova, you are 100% wrong about the GQP supporting ANY of those things.  You could agree to take AR-15 bans/regulation off the table, put an AR-15 in the middle of the American flag, require every school child to recite the 2nd Amendment every morning at school....and they STILL wouldn't agree to any of the meaningful regulations you suggest.

Just stop. 

Stop thinking we live in a world where political compromise is still a thing.  You are living in a world that is a blend of memories of the past and a fantasy of a world that never was.

The future of gun regulations in this country is the following:

1) for a long time to come, we will be REMOVING regulations and restrictions on firearms (see the Bruen decision, see shitloads of recent legislation).  I am not exaggerating when I tell you that we are more likely to see a law REQUIRING gun ownership/possession in certain places than we are to see more restrictions.  This will go on, and get horrifically worse.

2) until there is some tipping point in the future.  Much longer from now than we'd like...but not nearly as long as some might think.  And when that tipping point is hit....it's over.  All of it.  Private gun ownership in the US will be more regulated than it is in places like Australia.  People who hold on to their ARs will end up in prison.

We live in an all-or-nothing world now.  When it comes to guns and regulations or legislation that could help with gun violence.....you'll get the NOTHING.  Until it breaks, and you get the ALL.  Neither of which is a good outcome.  But "shitty outcomes only" is our brand.  You know that.  Stop being naive and thinking you live in a different world.

14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Solving real problems starts with clearly viewing the world as it is, not as we want it to be. 

And oh, the irony of you typjng this as you discuss "compromise."

[C-Man 26755]

16 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Not sure if we've talked about the suicide component of guns on this thread or if it was another one.  But you raised a legit point.  We lose a lot of people, a disproportionate amount to suicide-by-gun in this country.  So much so it begs the question, why?  We have just many unhappy people as anywhere else.  We have way more drugs and tall buildings.  There are vast studies done that suggest that there'd be far less suicide if a quick and painless way, like a bullet through the brain, wasn't so readily available.  That long walk to the bridge gives one significant time to ponder and reflect.  Even swallowing a bottle of pills can give one time to vomit and call for help.  So while we want to wish away that 2% that die from mass shootings, we should also reflect upon the fact that we take our own lives with guns far, far more than any other country does too.  Because we don't treat addiction, don't treat mental health, and don't treat suicidal/homicidal red flags except that we offer them as much firepower as possible, with no money down.  

And then your "safe storage" mention.  Why is it the country that prides itself on a well regulated militia.  That exercises its constitutional right.  That apparently has no issues with mass shootings or firearm suicide.  That prides itself, even sucks its own dick, over "Responsible Gun Ownership" and "Gun Safety" and "Trigger Discipline" keeps fucking shooting itself?  We have the means, the money, and the resources to properly secure our weapons.  And yet, one nation stands boldly apart from "shithole countries" and is singularly best at accidental shootings, child deaths by gun, un-secured weapons, stolen weapons, and mistaken discharges...the United States.  The one country charged with being well-armed and well-secured...we can't help but mistakenly have thousands upon thousands of accidental deaths because "responsible gun owners" do such a bang-up job of storing their guns.  

We're fucking idiots.  Toddlers, even.  With stupidly easy access to stupid amounts of stupidly powerful weapons.  

I forgot to mention the suicide angle in my previous post. I feel extremely bad for people who get to the point where suicide is the final decision that they make. My best friend in the world killed himself 4-5 years ago and I also had another close HS friend do the same not long after. It fucking sucks. But most suicide victims do not also take innocent victims with them. That's a HUGE component to this.

[TexEx15 17347]

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Single issue voting should be discouraged. Hopefully the R’s can get onboard with some of the more sensible restrictions someday.  I fear they will not. 

Maybe when children are being slaughtered in school single issue voting should be encouraged. 

[C-Man 26755]

29 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Every Tom Dick and Harry American can own an actual machine gun my man. They just have to pay for it (expensive) and go through the NFA process to do it, which takes 6-9 months, which is exactly the same as the process to get a can to make your .22lr plinker 24dbs less noisy. 
 

one of those things is not on the list and should be. One of them is and shouldn’t. Tradeoffs could and should be made.

Let's not worry about taking the guns at all at this point. Let's start with just making it harder for people under the age of 25 to purchase high-powered killing machines. Increase the min age, institute mandatory waiting periods, do a deep dive on these people trying to purchase these weapons. Red flag laws. Track the weapons after they're purchased. When you give the gun to someone, or sell it, it needs to be documented. Get caught with an undocumented weapon, you receive a citation.

[YGIFS 19445]

I knew a guy, through another guy, who would roll back analog odometers and fix the dash on the South Side of Chicago.  He got caught, along with his ring of accomplices, and was sentenced to 24 months in prison.  And because some of the cars ended up in Indiana and Wisconsin, it was a serious prison.  And he did every single day of that 24 months, and hard.  The week he got out, before anybody from parole or the courts even noticed his paperwork, he legally purchased multiple guns in Wisconsin.  A few days later, the crew he suspected of ratting him out were dead by his hand.  You can't touch a mailbox, an odometer, or an interstate highway sign without raising a dozen federal red flags.  But you sure as shit blow those flags away with an AR-15. 

[Captainant 26927]

4 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I knew a guy, through another guy, who would roll back analog odometers and fix the dash on the South Side of Chicago.  He got caught, along with his ring of accomplices, and was sentenced to 24 months in prison.  And because some of the cars ended up in Indiana and Wisconsin, it was a serious prison.  And he did every single day of that 24 months, and hard.  The week he got out, before anybody from parole or the courts even noticed his paperwork, he legally purchased multiple guns in Wisconsin.  A few days later, the crew he suspected of ratting him out were dead by his hand.  You can't touch a mailbox, an odometer, or an interstate highway sign without raising a dozen federal red flags.  But you sure as shit blow those flags away with an AR-15. 

Well duh. Republicans CARE about property crime, they couldn't give less of a fuck about children getting killed in their classrooms. 

[hobbes2702 12536]

55 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And what I am telling you is what has been communicated to me: ANY grand compromise that delivers those things in return for stuff gun owners want but does not deliver an AWB comes with primary challenges. It’s an incentives problem.

what would you support giving the GOP in return for those things?

I would support giving them nothing. This is so dumb.

[Anastasis 23215]

20 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I knew a guy, through another guy, who would roll back analog odometers and fix the dash on the South Side of Chicago.  He got caught, along with his ring of accomplices, and was sentenced to 24 months in prison.  And because some of the cars ended up in Indiana and Wisconsin, it was a serious prison.  And he did every single day of that 24 months, and hard.  The week he got out, before anybody from parole or the courts even noticed his paperwork, he legally purchased multiple guns in Wisconsin.  A few days later, the crew he suspected of ratting him out were dead by his hand.  You can't touch a mailbox, an odometer, or an interstate highway sign without raising a dozen federal red flags.  But you sure as shit blow those flags away with an AR-15. 

Curious what year this was, because this would be yet another ridiculous failure of the NICS system if this story is anywhere close to accurate. 

[Captainant 26927]

Just now, Anastasis said:

Curious what year this was, because this would be yet another ridiculous failure of the NICS system if this story is anywhere close to accurate. 

NICS was made to be a broken system that was opaque and hard to trace. It's literally against the law to digitize those records. Of fucking course it let a madman get guns

[Doc Sam Beckett 5727]

Well if you want some guns gone, then you have to let me accessorize my killing machine, and I want a bump stock and a silencer, just like they have in my favorite Taylor Sheridan movies!

Edited November 17, 2023 by Doc Sam Beckett
Cholas 4 life

[Anastasis 23215]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

NICS was made to be a broken system that was opaque and hard to trace. It's literally against the law to digitize those records. Of fucking course it let a madman get guns

All the NICS checks that I have had recently conducted, as well as a form 4, have been through eForms transactions that are all digital. You're talking about going back and scanning all the old paper 4473s and that seems like a waste of time and money to me. The NICS system has numerous flaws that can and should be fixed, wasting energy scanning decades old pieces of paper seems like a distraction from more useful reforms. 

[YGIFS 19445]

10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Curious what year this was, because this would be yet another ridiculous failure of the NICS system if this story is anywhere close to accurate. 

I didn't hear about it until mid-2000's so I'm guessing late 90's/early 2000s.  It was through a guy I went to high school with who ran in some shady circles.  He and his dad ended up doing an unrelated stretch in federal prison for drug trafficking around the same time.  Google "most polish sounding name ever" and you'll see quite quickly who it was.  

[Captainant 26927]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

All the NICS checks that I have had recently conducted, as well as a form 4, have been through eForms transactions that are all digital. You're talking about going back and scanning all the old paper 4473s and that seems like a waste of time and money to me. The NICS system has numerous flaws that can and should be fixed, wasting energy scanning decades old pieces of paper seems like a distraction from more useful reforms. 

After your records hit a certain age, they are printed out and deleted off the database. It's designed to be extremely difficult and onerous to search. I agree there's not much progress to be made with fighting about paper records, but it's a strong point of evidence towards the depth and breadth of gun safety obstruction. 

Hell, it even fails "unsafe" with allowing a purchase if the check takes too long to come back

[Anastasis 23215]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It's designed to be extremely difficult and onerous to search.

90% of NICS queries clear within minutes. The majority of the remaining clear within the delay period, a small percentage fail to clear during the delay period. 

NICS is not intended to be a registry, it is intended to facilitate a background check in a timely manner. To the extent that the right data are loaded into the system, it does that job reasonably well. Where there are gaps in data feeds, for example from mental health authorities, those gaps are particularly problematic. Lots of examples of data connection deficiencies. Those need to get fixed. Retention time for the records is a different matter. Seems that the retention time should be sufficient to facilitate prosecution of offenses related to lying on the form. Denied transactions are retained by ATF for 10 years, and then transferred to FBI for longer-term retention. The statute of limitation is 5 years for lying on a federal form.

If you want a registry, that is a different discussion, but that is not necessarily an indictment of the NICS functionality. 

 

[YGIFS 19445]

FWIW, i kind of agree.  A federal registry is not much more than a retroactive list of personal networks through which to send thoughts and prayers.  Just one notch about meaninglessness.  We have long, long lists of people who rape kids but only after their parish or relatives or parole officers finally coughed up the information.   I'd rather have their throats slit ahead of time.  We are an awfully reactive country for one that hurts itself patting itself on the back over greatness.

[Willfully Horn 7892]

2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I knew a guy, through another guy, who would roll back analog odometers and fix the dash on the South Side of Chicago.  He got caught, along with his ring of accomplices, and was sentenced to 24 months in prison.  And because some of the cars ended up in Indiana and Wisconsin, it was a serious prison.  And he did every single day of that 24 months, and hard.  The week he got out, before anybody from parole or the courts even noticed his paperwork, he legally purchased multiple guns in Wisconsin.  A few days later, the crew he suspected of ratting him out were dead by his hand.  You can't touch a mailbox, an odometer, or an interstate highway sign without raising a dozen federal red flags.  But you sure as shit blow those flags away with an AR-15. 

My dad took me to the same type business, in South Dallas, as part of his effort to teach me how the world really works.

 

Many years later, I brought the ecstasy to a bachelor party which had a flatfoot chaperone. We went through an ounce of coke, and one whore, out of six, slept her junk night away, and the cops ran interference for our felony fueled fuckathon. Where ever we wanted to go. Early the next morning, I drove through a state wide rainstorm, back to Austin, high on X, but not worried about AIDS.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

So you've experienced these things yet you have the clear view?  And I don't?  

I’m not saying that at all. But what you want is a nonstarter. It cannot be done in our lifetime. I think we should focus our energies on things that are possible.

[YGIFS 19445]

36 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

My dad took me to the same type business, in South Dallas, as part of his effort to teach me how the world really works.

 

Many years later, I brought the ecstasy to a bachelor party which had a flatfoot chaperone. We went through an ounce of coke, and one whore, out of six, slept her junk night away, and the cops ran interference for our felony fueled fuckathon. Where ever we wanted to go. Early the next morning, I drove through a state wide rainstorm, back to Austin, high on X, but not worried about AIDS.

I have no idea what anything in this post means, but it sounds fun.  And I guess you're still alive, so that's something.  It honestly reminded me of that sitdown they have in "Ocean's 12" where they're all speaking in code.  I salute you.  Or fear you.  Or piss in your general direction.  I have lived many lives and served many masters, as I suspect you have as well.  

[hayden_horn 11311]

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

@FirstTimeCaller btw it also cost him any realistic chance of beating Abbott in 2022. But it probably felt good. The point stands. 

does what you're doing on this thread feel good? 

[YGIFS 19445]

You gotta give him partial credit.  He used "felt" and "stands" in a post about a man with no below-the-waist sensory abilities.  

Sometimes I suffer from some nerve damage myself, but then again...I've never tried to 'slash n drown' brown children.  So I'm about even with the man upstairs...

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

13 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

does what you're doing on this thread feel good? 

None of it feels good. It all hurts, all the time. So when lurid photos of the places where babies and old ladies and teenagers necking at the movies were shot to death leaving behind pools of gore in high resolution and vivid color are deployed as tools of partisan masturbation I’m not going to play along. 
I am burning with anger at the Democratic Party coalition for decades of choosing self-indulgence over realpolitik at the cost of human lives. I thought I had made that clear for years,  if nothing else. 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[royiv 9045]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

None of it feels good. It all hurts, all the time. So when lurid photos of the places where babies and old ladies and teenagers necking at the movies are deployed as tools of partisan masturbation I’m not going to play along. 
I am burning with anger at the Democratic Party coalition for decades of choosing self-indulgence over realpolitik at the cost of human lives. 

Get the fuck out of here. This is the Democrat's fault? Are you fucking serious?

[YGIFS 19445]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

None of it feels good. It all hurts, all the time. So when lurid photos of the places where babies and old ladies and teenagers necking at the movies were shot to death leaving behind pools of gore in high resolution and vivid color are deployed as tools of partisan masturbation I’m not going to play along. 
I am burning with anger at the Democratic Party coalition for decades of choosing self-indulgence over realpolitik at the cost of human lives. 

Sometimes I agree with some shit you post, sometimes I disagree.  I dunno.  I'm sure you feel the same way about me.  but IRL, who the fuck knows.  But you just used "necking" and "realpolitik" in the same non-ironic 21st century post.  So here we are.  I am just dumbfounded by all of this shooting.  I'm postmodern frustration at this point.  The guns aren't even the issue anymore.  It's our broken country.  We weren't ever great.  We were just surrounded by water with a buncha cool shit inland and a reserve currrency.

[jimmyjazz 45211]

47 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’m not saying that at all. But what you want is a nonstarter. It cannot be done in our lifetime. I think we should focus our energies on things that are possible.

I think it's entirely reasonable to put the Clinton era bans back in place.  That helps solve one tragic aspect of gun ownership.  I also think it's entirely reasonable to enact better red flag laws and close private sale loopholes, which would also lead to incremental improvements.

But you're on here yapping about suicide and murder and saying others are being unrealistic, when in reality you're uninterested in incremental improvement.  WE'RE the unrealistic ones?  Get the fuck outta here with that.

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

27 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think it's entirely reasonable to put the Clinton era bans back in place. 

It would be if we could put Clinton Era Republicans back in place first, along with historical context and the gun culture that existed 29 years ago. 
But, we can’t. That world is gone. 
 

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

35 minutes ago, royiv said:

Get the fuck out of here. This is the Democrat's fault? Are you fucking serious?

Well since voting against Republicans is kinda my jam i can’t very well expect them to do better on my account.

[C-Man 26755]

12 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I have no idea what anything in this post means, but it sounds fun.  And I guess you're still alive, so that's something.  It honestly reminded me of that sitdown they have in "Ocean's 12" where they're all speaking in code.  I salute you.  Or fear you.  Or piss in your general direction.  I have lived many lives and served many masters, as I suspect you have as well.  

Me neither but Felony Fueled Fuckathon is fantastic Friday alliteration if not a terrific name for a hardcore band.

 

11 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I think it's entirely reasonable to put the Clinton era bans back in place.  That helps solve one tragic aspect of gun ownership.  I also think it's entirely reasonable to enact better red flag laws and close private sale loopholes, which would also lead to incremental improvements.

But you're on here yapping about suicide and murder and saying others are being unrealistic, when in reality you're uninterested in incremental improvement.  WE'RE the unrealistic ones?  Get the fuck outta here with that.

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Edited November 17, 2023 by Ted Lange

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We have four crises that firearms exponentially make worse…

Accidents/Suicides
Domestic Violence
Gang Violence
Terrorism (mass shootings due to political, quasi-political reasons)

These are all uniquely American problems and the reason why we (by far) lead developed nations in violence.