Mass Shootings

[Anastasis 23214]

4 hours ago, Nivek said:

I have heard this one cited a few times.  2% have no ethical limiters at all.  26% can and will persuade themselves of whatever.   So in good times we have nearly 30% with a total moral failing.   I bet those 370 pussies breaks down about the same.  2% were OK with the children dying.  26% went along with the 2%.  And the rest didn't buck the chain of command.  

You are dealing with GED equivalent morons. You would think that some basic humanity would find a way to push through, but you are overestimating their abilities. 

[YGIFS 19445]

You have struck me as a man of science and reason. You must realize what an incredible statistical outlier this group of law-enforcement officials are.  That many hundreds in and around that community living with that kind of failure for the last two years and not one is gone. 
 

[Nivek 16684]

On 5/23/2024 at 12:04 AM, Anastasis said:

You are dealing with GED equivalent morons. You would think that some basic humanity would find a way to push through, but you are overestimating their abilities. 

From what I was told those ratios were similar regardless of demographics/vocation and more about humanity.  

[TexEx15 17267]

 

[jimmyjazz 45192]

Damn.  

[4th&Five 41189]

 

[mchookem 15539]

it was interesting, spending almost four weeks in various European countries (we just got back a few days ago)...after about ten days, even though we had to keep an eye out for pickpockets and scammers in various locations, i slowly realized that i was in general feeling a much more relaxed state of mind wandering around unknown areas of these cities, both crowded and deserted (evenings), specifically bc in the back of my mind i was literally thinking 'none of these people have guns'. it was such a weird feeling...i mentioned it several times in different places once i realized i was feeling it.

i don't think we consciously realize how much of that is ingrained in our psyche - finding nearest exits every time you enter a public space, staying alert for any commotion in crowded settings, hell i frequently play the 'where will i run in this restaurant if someone comes in that door blasting? what about that door?' i mean it's not even disruptive or particularly disturbing anymore, it's just part of living in America. 

Edited June 11 by mchookem

[HenryJames 65537]

28 minutes ago, mchookem said:

spending almost four weeks in various European countries (we just got back a few days ago)

#humblebrag

[Brisketexan 103607]

43 minutes ago, mchookem said:

it was interesting, spending almost four weeks in various European countries (we just got back a few days ago)...after about ten days, even though we had to keep an eye out for pickpockets and scammers in various locations, i slowly realized that i was in general feeling a much more relaxed state of mind wandering around unknown areas of these cities, both crowded and deserted (evenings), specifically bc in the back of my mind i was literally thinking 'none of these people have guns'. it was such a weird feeling...i mentioned it several times in different places once i realized i was feeling it.

i don't think we consciously realize how much of that is ingrained in our psyche - finding nearest exits every time you enter a public space, staying alert for any commotion in crowded settings, hell i frequently play the 'where will i run in this restaurant if someone comes in that door blasting? what about that door?' i mean it's not even disruptive or particularly disturbing anymore, it's just part of living in America. 

Spot-on.  My kids have lived and gone to school in non-US countries for the past several years (Germany, Sweden, Canada, the UK).  They each have talked about how there is a huge gap between them and their non-American peers, along just the lines you mentioned.  Like, they'll have conversations and their friends ask "wait...when you go into a classroom the first time, you actually evaluate it for places that provide cover and how quickly you can get to the exits?"  Both kids answer yes (for classrooms and pretty much any public space), as do pretty much all of their American peers, and the non-Americans are legitimately gobsmacked by that.  

Sure, they have to keep their eyes out for other things, pickpockets, angry drunks, all the usual stuff.  But just knowing that there is a much much lower chance of someone showing up with a gun with a high-cap magazine to slaughter as many people as he can lets them breathe just a little bit easier.  And they each are pissed off that they can notice the difference.

[Bozo_Casanova 25879]

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

When to we get the tedious debate about whether to do take purely symbolic action about guns or to do nothing at all about mental illness? I’m worried if it doesn’t start soon we’ll start talking about the intersection of isolation, despair, inequality and violence, which we must never do because #thisisamerica.

[RomaVicta 29577]

Hi! I come from the insulting world of Boilerplate.

What a load of corporate PR sounding bullshit. You can't muster up the gumption to write a truly personal note? I'm guessing the writer is a grad student which is a class of people destroying American writing and language.

Two years have passed, but the indescribable horror of what happened in those two classrooms remains vivid to Uvaldeans. To me, as well.... [right off the top of my head]

Fuck what you think positive change is and your commitment to it.

17 hours ago, mchookem said:

it was interesting, spending almost four weeks in various European countries (we just got back a few days ago)...

i don't think we consciously realize how much of that is ingrained in our psyche - finding nearest exits every time you enter a public space, staying alert for any commotion in crowded settings, hell i frequently play the 'where will i run in this restaurant if someone comes in that door blasting? what about that door?' i mean it's not even disruptive or particularly disturbing anymore, it's just part of living in America. 

I count on the good guy with a gun to save the day. 

 

15 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

When to we get the tedious debate about whether to do take purely symbolic action about guns or to do nothing at all about mental illness? I’m worried if it doesn’t start soon we’ll start talking about the intersection of isolation, despair, inequality and violence, which we must never do because #thisisamerica.

The template is always on standby. 

1. What type of gun? 
2. Where was it purchased?
3. Roll call of the dead with family pix.
4. Discussion about gun control.
5. Impact on political races.
6. Same images of weepers hugging in the foreground of the murder scene.

Never:

• What is going on with our culture?
• Does this fit our mythology of just about every conflict being solved by killing somebody?
• What has led to the frequency increasing?
• Actual mental health policy rather than merely a casual reference.

Panels, panels, panels...

[Bozo_Casanova 25879]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

What a load of corporate PR sounding bullshit. You can't muster up the gumption to write a truly personal note? I'm guessing the writer is a grad student which is a class of people destroying American writing and language.

I’ll have you know they wrote it with refrigerator magnets

[Neonmoon 38126]

17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Spot-on.  My kids have lived and gone to school in non-US countries for the past several years (Germany, Sweden, Canada, the UK).  They each have talked about how there is a huge gap between them and their non-American peers, along just the lines you mentioned.  Like, they'll have conversations and their friends ask "wait...when you go into a classroom the first time, you actually evaluate it for places that provide cover and how quickly you can get to the exits?"  Both kids answer yes (for classrooms and pretty much any public space), as do pretty much all of their American peers, and the non-Americans are legitimately gobsmacked by that.  

Sure, they have to keep their eyes out for other things, pickpockets, angry drunks, all the usual stuff.  But just knowing that there is a much much lower chance of someone showing up with a gun with a high-cap magazine to slaughter as many people as he can lets them breathe just a little bit easier.  And they each are pissed off that they can notice the difference.

The main danger in EU = soccer hooligans. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13311]

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Today is the day that the 20 children massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012 would have graduated, perhaps cheered on by the six teachers and administrators also killed in the deadliest K-12 shooting in US history.

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“A guy – armed – came into my classroom and started shooting all of my friends and my teachers and my classmates,” she [Emma] said. “His gun jammed and a friend of mine, Jesse Lewis, yelled at us to run and that’s what we did.”

Jesse Lewis, just six years old, shown in family photos with rosy cheeks and a smile full of baby teeth, was killed. But his quick thinking and desire to help his friends propelled Emma and a few other children to bump past the gunman and get out.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/us/sandy-hook-survivors-graduate-high-school/index.html

Edited June 12 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Willfully Horn 7874]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

The main danger in EU = soccer hooligans. 

I’ve got a soccer ball!

[Biff Tannen 45158]

3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Hi! I come from the insulting world of Boilerplate.

What a load of corporate PR sounding bullshit. You can't muster up the gumption to write a truly personal note? I'm guessing the writer is a grad student which is a class of people destroying American writing and language.

Two years have passed, but the indescribable horror of what happened in those two classrooms remains vivid to Uvaldeans. To me, as well.... [right off the top of my head]

Fuck what you think positive change is and your commitment to it.

I count on the good guy with a gun to save the day. 

 

The template is always on standby. 

1. What type of gun? 
2. Where was it purchased?
3. Roll call of the dead with family pix.
4. Discussion about gun control.
5. Impact on political races.
6. Same images of weepers hugging in the foreground of the murder scene.

Never:

• What is going on with our culture?
• Does this fit our mythology of just about every conflict being solved by killing somebody?
• What has led to the frequency increasing?
• Actual mental health policy rather than merely a casual reference.

Panels, panels, panels...

Probably done with chat gpt.

[Macanudo 12793]

The Sandy Hook kids are graduating this year.  Or not graduating, depending on which kids we're talking about.  

[RomaVicta 29577]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Probably done with chat gpt.

Not good enough to be AI.

[C-Man 26707]

4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/12/us/sandy-hook-survivors-graduate-high-school/index.html

Jesus, that hits like a sledgehammer. Fuck the ghouls that WILL NOT DO A GODDAMN THING TO CURB SCHOOL SHOOTINGS.

My daughter just graduated HS a few weeks ago. Forgot she was exactly the same age as the Sandy Hook victims.

[Biff Tannen 45158]

30 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Not good enough to be AI.

Not sure if serious. AI writes like a god damn five year old that got hold of a tech dictionary. 

[RomaVicta 29577]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Not sure if serious. AI writes like a god damn five year old that got hold of a tech dictionary. 

I was just ragging on the representative. I've seen AI that writes pretty well, but that wasn't my point, amigo.

[Fudge Nuggets 18978]

5 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The template is always on standby. 

1. What type of gun? 
2. Where was it purchased?
3. Roll call of the dead with family pix.
4. Discussion about gun control.
5. Impact on political races.
6. Same images of weepers hugging in the foreground of the murder scene.

 

7.  Makeshift memorial with flowers, candles, hand-scrawled messages and pictures of the victims.

[RomaVicta 29577]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

7.  Makeshift memorial with flowers, candles, hand-scrawled messages and pictures of the victims.

Teddy bears.

[royiv 9044]

6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Teddy bears.

 White crosses with each victim’s name

[softlynow 1620]

22 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

When to we get the tedious debate about whether to do take purely symbolic action about guns or to do nothing at all about mental illness? I’m worried if it doesn’t start soon we’ll start talking about the intersection of isolation, despair, inequality and violence, which we must never do because #thisisamerica.

It'd probably take a bodycount in the range of the Vegas massacre to get guns back on the front page.

[Satchel 6902]

I attended a men’s meeting at church this morning during which a staff member gave a report on the active shooter training held at the church earlier in the week. At the training, one of the pastors noticed an unknown person sitting in the back of the sanctuary, underneath the balcony in what was believed to be an attempt not to draw attention to himself. When the executive pastor approached  him and asked if she could be of assistance, he said he was there just to observe what was going on. She alerted on site security who observed the man taking pictures of entry/exit points in two of the main hallways leading to the sanctuary. Security followed him as he hurried to the parking lot, jumped into his car and “sped” off. 
 

Senator Warnock is scheduled to preach the Men’s Day observance a week from Sunday. We’re not sure what to make of this, but I’m certain there will be security to back up the senator’s detail. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t somewhat concerned.

[Biff Tannen 45158]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I attended a men’s meeting at church this morning during which a staff member gave a report on the active shooter training held at the church earlier in the week. At the training, one of the pastors noticed an unknown person sitting in the back of the sanctuary, underneath the balcony in what was believed to be an attempt not to draw attention to himself. When the executive pastor approached  him and asked if she could be of assistance, he said he was there just to observe what was going on. She alerted on site security who observed the man taking pictures of entry/exit points in two of the main hallways leading to the sanctuary. Security followed him as he hurried to the parking lot, jumped into his car and “sped” off. 
 

Senator Warnock is scheduled to preach the Men’s Day observance a week from Sunday. We’re not sure what to make of this, but I’m certain there will be security to back up the senator’s detail. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t somewhat concerned.

Um yeah

[jimmyjazz 45192]

I'd be turning any photos of that dude over to police, pronto.

I crack myself up.

 

 

[Satchel 6902]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd be turning any photos of that dude over to police, pronto.

I crack myself up.

 

 

We have him on video. Problem is he may not be the one attending service on this or any other Sunday. We’re used to dealing with threats and crank callers. This latest event makes it more real.

[Biff Tannen 45158]

5 minutes ago, Satchel said:

We have him on video. Problem is he may not be the one attending service on this or any other Sunday. We’re used to dealing with threats and crank callers. This latest event makes it more real.

Yeah I might be setting up legit security for that shit. 

[royiv 9044]

Good excuse to sleep in and skip church. Also, WTF is Men’s Day? Do they bring in strippers and booze for the celebration?

[Brisketexan 103607]

Good excuse to sleep in and skip church. Also, WTF is Men’s Day? Do they bring in strippers and booze for the celebration?

….subscribed to that church bulletin…

[4th&Five 41189]

Happy Father’s Day!

 

[YGIFS 19445]

Madonna isn't gong to take this well.  

[Satchel 6902]

5 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah I might be setting up legit security for that shit. 

The head of security is a former US Marshall . There are at least 6-7 uniformed DPD officers in and around the sanctuary and any number of licensed carriers and plain clothed sitting in the sanctuary.

Earlier this year, we hosted UMC missionaries from Tanzania. I picked then up from the hotel, brought them to church and to the reception area. When they saw the uniformed police officers patrolling the area, one man leaned over to me and with a concerned look on his face asked, “are we in danger?”  I resisted the temptation to say, hell yeah. You’re in America.

[Biff Tannen 45158]

52 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Happy Father’s Day!

 

Onionheadline/ChildishGambinogif

[tx 3 putt 75490]

 

[Burt 4046]

RRPD said they were gonna hold a press conference at 230 am, but it apparently has not yet started.

 

 

[hookem2010 2542]

I was working that event and left apparently 20 minutes before the shooting started. As I was driving home with ambulances passing me, I figured there was a shooting or vehicular murder of some sort. So horrible, so pointless.

[jimmyjazz 45192]

32 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I was working that event and left apparently 20 minutes before the shooting started. As I was driving home with ambulances passing me, I figured there was a shooting or vehicular murder of some sort. So horrible, so pointless.

Well that sucks.  I was at the adjacent soccer complex when a child was hit and killed in the Old Settler's parking lot.  Seeing those first responders hauling ass up towards the park was unnerving to say the least.

[Biff Tannen 45158]

What a country 

[speed817 18919]

17 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What a country 

[RomaVicta 29577]

It just makes me sad today. Commonplace mass shootings in my country and even nearby.

 

[YGIFS 19445]

14 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Madonna isn't gong to take this well.  

She's by far the most famous person from there.  She's gonna be distraught and likely give some public comments.  And rightfully so.  She hasn't been terribly outspoken on political issues the last couple decades, but I suspect that may change soon.  So thanks for the neg rep and complete lack of awareness of things larger than yourself.  

[jimmyjazz 45192]

9 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

She's by far the most famous person from there.  She's gonna be distraught and likely give some public comments.  And rightfully so.  She hasn't been terribly outspoken on political issues the last couple decades, but I suspect that may change soon.  So thanks for the neg rep and complete lack of awareness of things larger than yourself.  

You neg repped yourself?

[royiv 9044]

11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

complete lack of awareness of things larger than yourself.  

The irony of this statement coming from the most self important poster on this board is rich.

[elfenix 34116]

14 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Happy Father’s Day!

 

42 year old white male who lived with mom, offed himself.

 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2024/06/16/rochester-hills-shooting-suspect-michael-william-nash/74117035007/

[Brisketexan 103607]

42 year old white male who lived with mom, offed himself.
 
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2024/06/16/rochester-hills-shooting-suspect-michael-william-nash/74117035007/

With “mental health problems.” Repeat as necessary.

[YGIFS 19445]

7 minutes ago, royiv said:

The irony of this statement coming from the most self important poster on this board is rich.

Only time I worry about you is when you quit bitchin', sweetheart.    (and you're not giving Rex Kramer enough credit on who is the most self-important poster) 

Levity aside, I am genuinely curious if she'll weigh in on this.  She was very vocal for decades and the kinda got oddly silent on current events.  But then, we've seen the futility surrounding famous people, political or artistic or otherwise, speaking out against gun violence.  Shit, if McConaughey from Uvalde from the White House press room can't call attention to this shit...what hope do we have?  I doubt the Michigan State House does anything since they let assault-rifle open carry goons into the Capitol to complain about not being able to go to Chili's.  

And then we need to flesh out the bump stock ruling by SCOTUS.  We actually had a relatively quiet few months for America, in terms of mass shootings.  We're just fucking due.  Probably here in Texas as well.  

[Covri 6150]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

You neg repped yourself?