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That’s not true. As has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, other countries who had mass shooting events immediately changed their gun laws to make it harder or impossible to obtain the we

Chuckie Finster
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The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

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yeah i was going to ask for clarification from creasy but i suspended them instead

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I’ll tell you this much.  The ‘guns’ on the female lifeguards at the westenfield pool where my daughters are taking swim lessons this summer are more than adequate.  Like a college version of bay watch meets Navarone over there.  
 

What are we talking about again?

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13 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I’ll tell you this much.  The ‘guns’ on the female lifeguards at the westenfield pool where my daughters are taking swim lessons this summer are more than adequate.  Like a college version of bay watch meets Navarone over there.  
 

What are we talking about again?

 

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tchookem

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Just found out one of the victims in Round Rock is the mom of a former student. I initially misread the announcement and drove home thinking it was my student.

I hate this feeling of relief that it wasn't my student.

The other victim was also a mother. Neither had any connection to the fighting that led up to the shooting.

Somebody who shouldn't have had a gun, had a gun. We protected their right to have a gun, and now 2 moms are dead. I move that we include these 2 moms in our Memorial Day observances. If soldiers give their lives to protect our rights, then I say these women are as much a sacrifice to the right to bear arms as any soldier.

I'm just fed up with it.

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Well, that just adds a little more suck to the situation.  I'm sorry to hear of your connection, [mention=1549]tchookem[/mention].
I'm loosely connected at best. But yesterday still had some pretty shitty moments, and now I'm just thinking about a great kid (she's not really a kid anymore) that lost her mom before she could become a grandma.

One day, one of us is going to be directly connected (maybe someone already is and hasn't chosen to share). I hope it never happens, but I'm starting to think it's inevitable.
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24 minutes ago, Covri said:

 

Nope.  We needed MORE guns.  377 armed officers....THAT would have done it.  I mean, a piddly number like 376?  Fuck, that's practically one of your libtard "GUN FREE ZONES."  The only answer is more guns. It is always the answer.  No matter what the question, it's the answer.

What is Pi to the 20th digit?  "MORE GUNS."

Would you like fries with that?  "MORE GUNS."

Who was the primary author of the Gospel of Matthew?  "MORE GUNS."

What is the correct ignition timing for a 1964 Chevrolet Bel Air with a 327 cubic inch engine and a four-barrel carburetor? "MORE GUNS."

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On 6/15/2024 at 2:37 PM, Satchel said:

I attended a men’s meeting at church this morning during which a staff member gave a report on the active shooter training held at the church earlier in the week. At the training, one of the pastors noticed an unknown person sitting in the back of the sanctuary, underneath the balcony in what was believed to be an attempt not to draw attention to himself. When the executive pastor approached  him and asked if she could be of assistance, he said he was there just to observe what was going on. She alerted on site security who observed the man taking pictures of entry/exit points in two of the main hallways leading to the sanctuary. Security followed him as he hurried to the parking lot, jumped into his car and “sped” off. 
 

Senator Warnock is scheduled to preach the Men’s Day observance a week from Sunday. We’re not sure what to make of this, but I’m certain there will be security to back up the senator’s detail. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t somewhat concerned.

You had a suspicious character scoping out the place during an active shooter training session?  That takes the realism up a few notches.

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7 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are we so willing to kill each other in this country?  

It largely comes back to the fact that we have 100%, across the board, in almost every cultural group/subgroup, defined "empathy for other human beings" as not just weakness, but EVIL.

Pastors get berated by churchgoers for preaching on...the Beatitudes.

Any existing or potential government policy that has even a whiff of helping people is condemned as "COMMUNISMLIBTARDSOCIALISMSOROS!"

Our fellow human beings are defined by our law enforcement apparatus more as targets/threats to be taken out, than they are citizens to protect.

Our gun culture teaches us that every other living being is a threat that you must be vigilant about at all times, with your finger on the trigger ready to blow their fucking head off at the slightest provocation because hey, better safe than sorry.  "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!"

Vengeance and Retribution are literally the functional campaign slogans of a political movement that controls half the country.

"Disrespect" is a death-penalty offense among pretty much every culture/subculture we have.

 

In short, we have reached "peak toxic individualism," where "me" has all worth, and "we" has zero to negative worth.

 

To not kill each other with great frequency, you just have to believe that the lives and well-being of people other than you matter.  We don't believe that.  And anyone who dares suggest or say otherwise is savagely attacked, destroyed, and rendered irrelevant.  We have the exact society, and exact outcomes, that we want.  The dead bodies tell you it's working.

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22 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

imma let the NRA field that question

Guns have always been a part of this country. You're saying people have always been this murderous....it's just easier for them now?

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21 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Guns have always been a part of this country. You're saying people have always been this murderous....it's just easier for them now?

We've made a god out of firearms.  Literally, they are a point of worship:

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As just some of the more vomit-inducing examples.  And again, I note that this has happened broadly across cultural groups and ideologies.  "You aren't a man if you aren't armed" works for both a Bubba wearing Oakleys and a dipshit gangbanger.

Guns have always been around.  The ease of access and affordability, the worship and fetishization (actively promoted by the NRA, which is a sick fucking organization, especially if you compare it to what it was 40 years ago), the turning of guns from tools to be treated with respect to becoming a talisman of what a man/patriot/god-fearing Christian you are, is the fucking sea-change.

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We've made a god out of firearms.  Literally, they are a point of worship:

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As just some of the more vomit-inducing examples.  And again, I note that this has happened broadly across cultural groups and ideologies.  "You aren't a man if you aren't armed" works for both a Bubba wearing Oakleys and a dipshit gangbanger.

Guns have always been around.  The ease of access and affordability, the worship and fetishization (actively promoted by the NRA, which is a sick fucking organization, especially if you compare it to what it was 40 years ago), the turning of guns from tools to be treated with respect to becoming a talisman of what a man/patriot/god-fearing Christian you are, is the fucking sea-change.

All of what you say is sadly true. I’d add to that how numb we are to gun violence and the very real fact that we value guns more than people. 

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All of the cultural points and access to guns points Brisket has made are true, but I would say they created the tinder box of a problem. What really set that tinder box ablaze the last 10-15 years was the Internet, social media, chat rooms etc.

People can get radicalized so easily online now. Some people get radicalized into hot peppers, some it's fantasy football, some it's van life and over landing, and then some it's the mass shooter.

Whether is Discord, or some dark corner of 4chan or IRC rooms, there are now people that talk each other into commiting these things and trying to out do the previous mass shooter, etc.

In years past, those people may be crazy loners who hate the world, but there was no community pushing them to actually commit the acts.

Now the crazy angry loners connect with other crazy angry loners and normalize the idea of mass violence with each other to the point where some of them go out and do it.

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All of the cultural points and access to guns points Brisket has made are true, but I would say they created the tinder box of a problem. What really set that tinder box ablaze the last 10-15 years was the Internet, social media, chat rooms etc.
People can get radicalized so easily online now. Some people get radicalized into hot peppers, some it's fantasy football, some it's van life and over landing, and then some it's the mass shooter.
Whether is Discord, or some dark corner of 4chan or IRC rooms, there are now people that talk each other into commiting these things and trying to out do the previous mass shooter, etc.
In years past, those people may be crazy loners who hate the world, but there was no community pushing them to actually commit the acts.
Now the crazy angry loners connect with other crazy angry loners and normalize the idea of mass violence with each other to the point where some of them go out and do it.
I assume other countries have access to Discord, or Reddit, or social media.

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4 minutes ago, tchookem said:

I assume other countries have access to Discord, or Reddit, or social media.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527

This.

We hold other human beings in zero regard.  All "me," no "we."  Sure, every other human and culture has a selfish streak.  We have turned selfishness into a religion, with a purity test.  Love for only the individual self, contempt for all others.  It's fucking self-poisoning and utterly stupid (just mathematically....if the only person who truly loves me is me...and everyone else treats me as disposable garbage because that's all other human beings are, garbage....then the "loves Brisket" team is a team of 1, the "who gives a shit if Brisket dies, and if we see him even remotely as a threat, shoot him" team is all 333 million other Americans, I gotta tell ya, I'm WAY outnumbered).

Layer on that the fetishization and idolatry of guns (they are essential to the identity of the tough guy, the "don't disrespect me" crowd, the "I'm a real 'murican Patriot" crowd, etc., a modern talisman more important than a crucifix ever has been), and we are unique, and ultra fucked.

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2 hours ago, Pokoloco said:

Guns have always been a part of this country. You're saying people have always been this murderous....it's just easier for them now?

Just checking, but are you asking if a country that was founded by the descendants of people who came here basically because they were kicked out of other countries, came here as criminals under transportation in indentured servitude, came here as slavers and or smugglers, and waged war against the people who are already here to carve out a place for themselves, would have further descendants who tended towards murder and mayhem? Is that what you’re asking? 

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Just checking, but are you asking if a country that was founded by the descendants of people who came here basically because they were kicked out of other countries, came here as criminals under transportation in indentured servitude, came here as slavers and or smugglers, and waged war against the people who are already here to carve out a place for themselves, would have further descendants who tended towards murder and mayhem? Is that what you’re asking? 

I'm pretty sure that version of history will get you arrested in Texas and Florida, so you might want to keep that to yourself. 

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2 hours ago, Pokoloco said:

Guns have always been a part of this country. You're saying people have always been this murderous....it's just easier for them now?

Yes? Strangely enough, modern firearms may have a slight ease of use advantage (among other advantages) compared to a muzzle loaded musket. Shocking, I know. 

Or maybe it is all because of transgenders. You know, whatever you think makes more sense. 

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2 hours ago, Pokoloco said:

Guns have always been a part of this country. You're saying people have always been this murderous....it's just easier for them now?


you follow the Supreme Court at all? 6-3 ruling this week that bump stocks don’t technically count as machine guns. 
 

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Meanwhile, sick fuck Austin gun store owner won his SCOTUS case over banning bump stocks.  

He sucks.  On twitter they identified the Juneteenth Shooter and there were a couple photos of the shooter holding a Micro Draco and Cargill's response was "we have them in my store" like the shooting was good press.

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Yes? Strangely enough, modern firearms may have a slight ease of use advantage (among other advantages) compared to a muzzle loaded musket. Shocking, I know. 

Or maybe it is all because of transgenders. You know, whatever you think makes more sense. 

Something has definitely changed over the last 50 years. 

Transgenders?  TF are you on about??

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8 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Something has definitely changed over the last 50 years. 

We let lobbyists run our country.  Not just politically, but culturally.  Across the board, guns have become a talisman: you ain't a man if you ain't armed.

Here's some disturbing numbers:

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In 1960, some 1,130 firearms were produced for the U.S. market for every 100,000 people in the U.S. that year. In 2000, that number was 1,676, according to our analysis. By 2021, the figure had skyrocketed to 6,785 guns per 100,000 people.

We're manufacturing firearms at around 6 times the rate we were 60 years ago.  Not 6 times total number, but 6 times the RATE.

And the number of firearms in the US per 100 people?  120.  More than TWICE the ratio of any other country....including heavily armed countries like Yemen (52.8) and Serbia (39), and blowing most European countries out of the water, like Austria (30), Switzerland (27.6), and Germany (19.6).

We have a psychotic love affair with guns, across the board, and across sub-cultures.

We are not a healthy country.

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6 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Something has definitely changed over the last 50 years. 

Transgenders?  TF are you on about??

1) I was referencing common conservative boogeymen (e.g., Soros, illegals, and transgenders) for all ills;

2) Yes, something has changed. Here is in a hint:

 

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388010/share-ar-15-united-states-firearm-production-historical/

 

Again, easier to cause death with a firearm than it has ever been. That's what changed. Also, maybe see 1) above with the fear mongering. 

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