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That’s not true. As has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, other countries who had mass shooting events immediately changed their gun laws to make it harder or impossible to obtain the we

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The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

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yeah i was going to ask for clarification from creasy but i suspended them instead

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Good update. The last of the victims of the Rochester Hills, MI splash pad shooting has been released. Not a ton of details about the scale of the injuries but at least this episode will not lead to any casualties.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2024/07/05/last-victim-in-rochester-hills-splash-pad-shooting-sent-home/74314055007/

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Good update. The last of the victims of the Rochester Hills, MI splash pad shooting has been released. Not a ton of details about the scale of the injuries but at least this episode will not lead to any casualties.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2024/07/05/last-victim-in-rochester-hills-splash-pad-shooting-sent-home/74314055007/

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Couldn't think of a better thread in CR for this. And, gawd forbid, the crime-obsessed DT would ever want to read this.

Why the US had a violent crime spike during Covid — and other countries didn’t
Violent crime is falling. But understanding why it surged during the pandemic is still important.

It’s not every day that you see officials touting crime trends just as summer begins. Summer is typically when violent crime increases, and no one wants to celebrate a win before half-time’s over.

This year has been different.

In June, the FBI released preliminary quarterly data for January to March 2024 that shows violent crime rates continuing to decline from their pandemic peaks. In the first months of this year, the data suggest that violent crime fell by 15 percent, with murder falling by more than 26 percent, compared to the same period in 2023.

“Violent crime is dropping at record levels in America,” President Joe Biden said in a statement trumpeting the FBI’s estimates. “Americans are safer today than when I took office.”

It’s always worth approaching preliminary crime data with caution, especially this early. But the FBI’s report broadly fits with last year, when the government recorded a 13 percent decrease in murders — likely “one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded” according to crime stats analyst Jeff Asher.

The Biden administration has — despite what Donald Trump says — prioritized crime reduction. The government sent billions of dollars to cities and states as part of the American Rescue Plan and urged them to spend it on crime fighting and prevention, including hiring more police officers. He also championed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which created real investments in community violence intervention and paved the way for the most significant expansion of background checks in decades.

Whether he’ll get credit for it with voters is another question. Decades worth of polling shows that Americans tend to believe crime is increasing, even when it’s not.

But there might be another reason why Americans are slow to pick up on the good news: they’re still shaken by the genuinely worrisome rise in homicide in 2020. The murder rate didn’t reach the highs it did in the 1970s through the early 1990s, but the fact that it jumped 30 percent in 2020 was a real cause for concern.

Now that violent crime is falling, though, it’s worth looking back at what happened. Was the rise in murders in the United States part of a broader trend, or something more anomalous?

A uniquely American problem
A few years out from the start of the pandemic, it does appear that the rise in homicides in the United States was unique. According to multiple studies and a systematic review of crime data for 2020, in most countries crime fell following Covid-19 lockdowns, then gradually returned to their pre-pandemic levels once the lockdown measures lifted. Homicide was the exception to the rule — but not the way it was in the United States.

Homicides around the world, according to the 46 studies the authors reviewed, didn’t change significantly due to the pandemic. “Most studies reported no relationship between Covid-19 and homicides,” the authors of the study wrote. A majority of the studies, they noted, found no relationship between the implementation or easing of lockdown measures and killings.

The Small Arms Survey, which gathers and analyzes data about firearms ownership and violence across the world, also found that the global rate of violent deaths decreased worldwide in 2020.

What was different in the United States?

“There was no other country that experienced this kind of sudden increase in gun violence,” says Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at Princeton University who studies the intersections of urban segregation, economic inequality, and violence. It was gun violence, specifically, that sent violent crime soaring. Americans bought guns in record numbers during the pandemic, and according to an analysis by Rob Arthur and Asher for Vox, there’s evidence that more people were carrying guns in 2020 — even before crime soared that summer. “Guns don't necessarily create violence on their own, but they make violence more lethal,” Sharkey says.

While experts caution that it’s difficult to definitively prove what caused the rise in violent crime, there are a few other factors that likely contributed to it.

One was the killing of George Floyd by police and the unrest surrounding it, accompanied by a withdrawal in policing that followed. Previous research has shown that high-profile incidents of police violence correspond with a pullback by police and a rise in crime — specifically, robberies and murders. Data following the unrest after Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis and elsewhere shows a marked decline in policing and arrests that summer.

“There was a core shift in our understanding of policing in the United States,” Sharkey says. Millions took to the streets to demand an end to police brutality; long-standing cultural assumptions about the authority and legitimacy of police to maintain public safety by any means necessary were called into question. “That understanding of who’s in charge of public space broke down in a major way,” he says. “What we know is that when people retreat from public space and shelter in their homes it creates this vacuum where public spaces can carry the threat of violence.”

Violent crime is now falling in the U.S., with several cities showing big declines in homicide and violent crime.

That might be in part because the most disruptive phase of the pandemic has passed, but Sharkey thinks that the federal funding provided to cities aimed at public safety made a real difference. “I think the federal funding is probably the best explanation for why the surge in violence didn’t persist and why it has fallen so substantially over the past couple of years. It’s probably a factor that doesn't get the recognition it deserves.”

Still, some of the factors that drove the surge — the preponderance of so many guns and the periodic incidents of deadly police violence – endure. And because of that, experts say that the violence from that period shouldn’t be dismissed as a one-time event, but should be studied to see how to prevent violence in the future. Even as crime continues to fall, some of the conditions that helped create the rise in violent crime are still with us.

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Couldn't think of a better thread in CR for this. And, gawd forbid, the crime-obsessed DT would ever want to read this.

Why the US had a violent crime spike during Covid — and other countries didn’t
Violent crime is falling. But understanding why it surged during the pandemic is still important.

It’s not every day that you see officials touting crime trends just as summer begins. Summer is typically when violent crime increases, and no one wants to celebrate a win before half-time’s over.

This year has been different.

In June, the FBI released preliminary quarterly data for January to March 2024 that shows violent crime rates continuing to decline from their pandemic peaks. In the first months of this year, the data suggest that violent crime fell by 15 percent, with murder falling by more than 26 percent, compared to the same period in 2023.

“Violent crime is dropping at record levels in America,” President Joe Biden said in a statement trumpeting the FBI’s estimates. “Americans are safer today than when I took office.”

It’s always worth approaching preliminary crime data with caution, especially this early. But the FBI’s report broadly fits with last year, when the government recorded a 13 percent decrease in murders — likely “one of the fastest rates of decline ever recorded” according to crime stats analyst Jeff Asher.

The Biden administration has — despite what Donald Trump says — prioritized crime reduction. The government sent billions of dollars to cities and states as part of the American Rescue Plan and urged them to spend it on crime fighting and prevention, including hiring more police officers. He also championed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which created real investments in community violence intervention and paved the way for the most significant expansion of background checks in decades.

Whether he’ll get credit for it with voters is another question. Decades worth of polling shows that Americans tend to believe crime is increasing, even when it’s not.

But there might be another reason why Americans are slow to pick up on the good news: they’re still shaken by the genuinely worrisome rise in homicide in 2020. The murder rate didn’t reach the highs it did in the 1970s through the early 1990s, but the fact that it jumped 30 percent in 2020 was a real cause for concern.

Now that violent crime is falling, though, it’s worth looking back at what happened. Was the rise in murders in the United States part of a broader trend, or something more anomalous?

A uniquely American problem
A few years out from the start of the pandemic, it does appear that the rise in homicides in the United States was unique. According to multiple studies and a systematic review of crime data for 2020, in most countries crime fell following Covid-19 lockdowns, then gradually returned to their pre-pandemic levels once the lockdown measures lifted. Homicide was the exception to the rule — but not the way it was in the United States.

Homicides around the world, according to the 46 studies the authors reviewed, didn’t change significantly due to the pandemic. “Most studies reported no relationship between Covid-19 and homicides,” the authors of the study wrote. A majority of the studies, they noted, found no relationship between the implementation or easing of lockdown measures and killings.

The Small Arms Survey, which gathers and analyzes data about firearms ownership and violence across the world, also found that the global rate of violent deaths decreased worldwide in 2020.

What was different in the United States?

“There was no other country that experienced this kind of sudden increase in gun violence,” says Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at Princeton University who studies the intersections of urban segregation, economic inequality, and violence. It was gun violence, specifically, that sent violent crime soaring. Americans bought guns in record numbers during the pandemic, and according to an analysis by Rob Arthur and Asher for Vox, there’s evidence that more people were carrying guns in 2020 — even before crime soared that summer. “Guns don't necessarily create violence on their own, but they make violence more lethal,” Sharkey says.

While experts caution that it’s difficult to definitively prove what caused the rise in violent crime, there are a few other factors that likely contributed to it.

One was the killing of George Floyd by police and the unrest surrounding it, accompanied by a withdrawal in policing that followed. Previous research has shown that high-profile incidents of police violence correspond with a pullback by police and a rise in crime — specifically, robberies and murders. Data following the unrest after Floyd’s killing in Minneapolis and elsewhere shows a marked decline in policing and arrests that summer.

“There was a core shift in our understanding of policing in the United States,” Sharkey says. Millions took to the streets to demand an end to police brutality; long-standing cultural assumptions about the authority and legitimacy of police to maintain public safety by any means necessary were called into question. “That understanding of who’s in charge of public space broke down in a major way,” he says. “What we know is that when people retreat from public space and shelter in their homes it creates this vacuum where public spaces can carry the threat of violence.”

Violent crime is now falling in the U.S., with several cities showing big declines in homicide and violent crime.

That might be in part because the most disruptive phase of the pandemic has passed, but Sharkey thinks that the federal funding provided to cities aimed at public safety made a real difference. “I think the federal funding is probably the best explanation for why the surge in violence didn’t persist and why it has fallen so substantially over the past couple of years. It’s probably a factor that doesn't get the recognition it deserves.”

Still, some of the factors that drove the surge — the preponderance of so many guns and the periodic incidents of deadly police violence – endure. And because of that, experts say that the violence from that period shouldn’t be dismissed as a one-time event, but should be studied to see how to prevent violence in the future. Even as crime continues to fall, some of the conditions that helped create the rise in violent crime are still with us.

IMO Violent crime increased in the US during Covid bc:

1.) People were relatively flush (brrrrrr) and had $ worth killing over or taking

2.) People were home (lockdown)

3.) Uncertainty (stress)

4.) People were around their family all day and night (more stress)

5.) Mental health (result of stress)

6.) Availability of guns (freedom)

 

Add that shit up and you have a recipe for murder.

Never underestimate the chilling effect that having to leave for work will do to homicidal  tendencies. There’s something to be said about a sole sucking job that steals your will. It robs you of that creative human spark that can lead you to accomplish great things or if left to pickle can lead you to murdering your neighbor.

Isolation combined with desperation/ hopelessness is dangerous. Either one by itself is manageable. Combine them and you’ve got a recipe for disaster 

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11 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Isolation combined with desperation/ hopelessness is dangerous. Either one by itself is manageable. Combine them and you’ve got a recipe for disaster 

It's the starting ingredients for qanon

 

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12 hours ago, bolverk said:

But there might be another reason why Americans are slow to pick up on the good news: they’re still shaken by the genuinely worrisome rise in homicide in 2020. The murder rate didn’t reach the highs it did in the 1970s through the early 1990s, but the fact that it jumped 30 percent in 2020 was a real cause for concern.

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Does anybody follow the homicide rate and worry about i as the author suggests? Am I to believe that an electorate of distracted morons is awaiting the publication of crime statistics with the same attention they devote to sports, reality TV, or FOX News?

I believe people react to the fear tactics of politicians. All kinds of murder going down in Chicago! I'm sure the upper middle class suburbs are carnage fests. Vote GOP!

Frankly, I'm not sure I buy that adding policemen does anything for the murder rate other than maybe increasing it for Black drivers who violate traffic laws. The better bet would be whatever the preventative measures are. I couldn't be bothered to keep reading much beyond that which I quote above.

If Trump wins and starts destroying the institutions of the republic, it would actually be sort of disappointing if more blood were not spilled.

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5 minutes ago, Blotto said:

2 dead, 4 injured according to this news source

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/apalachee-high-school-shots-fired-barrow-county-georgia/85-07962b20-043d-41fb-b72b-6ea3ba858408

"Enough is Enough!" was the case about 250 mass shootings ago. What a fucking joke

11 Alive is pretty good, NBC Atlanta affiliate. 

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At least one victim has been transported to Grady in Atlanta.  Good and bad with this, Grady has one of the best trauma centers in the world.  Good news, more weren't sent here, meaning to me either, the other victims are not severely wounded, or too wounded to transport this far (about 40 miles).  Hoping for the former rather than the latter. 

For those interested, Winder is sort of in between Atlanta and Athens, in Northeast Georgia, roughly 40 miles from either location.  It is heavily populated and rapidly growing, much like most of the Atlanta region.    

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Winder falls in the  GA 10th Congressional district - here's their proud house Rep

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/02/house-republicans-assault-weapon-pins-arent-just-a-taunt.html

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Earlier this week, congressional Democrats and media folk noticed that Republican U.S. House members, including trouble magnet George Santos, were sporting lapel pins made in the shape of an assault weapon.

I immediately thought, That has to be coming from Andrew Clyde. Last spring, I traveled through Clyde’s House district in northeast Georgia to attend a wedding, and the gun dealer’s ubiquitous campaign signs all featured the same image, which I could no more forget than the “Whiskey, Steak, Guns & Freedom” T-shirts all the servers were wearing at the reception.

Sure enough, Clyde was the one distributing the little accessories honoring lethal weapons amid this year’s epidemic of mass shootings:

It’s no surprise that there’s a market for Clyde’s pin among his GOP colleagues. Earlier this week, several pitched a fit over a Democrat’s proposal that they leave their guns behind when entering a congressional hearing room.

Clyde had already distinguished himself during his first term in Washington by managing to outdo his friend Marjorie Taylor Greene in some types of performative extremism, as I noted at the time: “While Clyde is far less well known than his fellow Georgia representative, he has made headlines for racking up fines to protest House COVID-19 mask rules and suing the House to abolish the metal detectors designed to keep shooting irons off the House floor.”

I really don't give a shit if this specific incident involved an AR-15 or not, the mentality that fetishizes guns in this country is fucking repulsive. I'm sure their seats are safe (Collins 64%, Clyde  74%  in last midterms) but perhaps they can put these fucksticks on blast for those stunts and it will resonate with other voters in GA. 

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1 minute ago, 1978horn said:

Wife is watching CNN and they just said 4 deceased.

Yep, I'm watching this too. At least 30 injured though they're saying that number could include kids and staff getting hurt while running from shooting.

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Winder falls in the  GA 10th Congressional district - here's their proud house Rep

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/02/house-republicans-assault-weapon-pins-arent-just-a-taunt.html

I really don't give a shit if this specific incident involved an AR-15 or not, the mentality that fetishizes guns in this country is fucking repulsive. I'm sure their seats are safe (Collins 64%, Clyde  74%  in last midterms) but perhaps they can put these fucksticks on blast for those stunts and it will resonate with other voters in GA. 

It won't.  

And now we are getting revised figures, the death toll and injuries are rising.  

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7 minutes ago, 1978horn said:

Wife is watching CNN and they just said 4 deceased and as many as 30 injured.

Jesus, I heard 2 dead and 4 injured about 15 minutes ago.

And I felt surreal as I actually thought, well, at least this one wasn't *that* bad.

The fucking country we live in today, good god.

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Jesus, I heard 2 dead and 4 injured about 15 minutes ago.

And I felt surreal as I actually thought, well, at least this one wasn't *that* bad.

The fucking country we live in today, good god.

CNN has 30 hurt 4 Dead

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Again, to point out how ubiquitous and globally acknowledged this is, my kids each have lived in several foreign countries.  To this day, they relate that when they end up in arguments (usually good-natured) with locals about which place is better (wherever they are vs. the US), the locals regularly end up playing the accurate card of "oh yeah?  Well at least I won't get shot when I go to school."

It is literally part of our national identity.  Yay.  We did it.

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CNN reporter on scene said a 16-year-old girl talked to her a little while and showed her a text she sent to her mom once she realized she was hearing gunshots in her school.

The text read: "I know I haven't been a perfect daughter. I'm sorry."

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. We must be better than this.

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7 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

My oldest buddy is a veterinarian in Athens.  Reading between the lines, this is not looking good at all.

What would a veterinarian miles away from the shooting know that the general public doesn’t.

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2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

What would a veterinarian miles away from the shooting know that the general public doesn’t.

Dogs in the general vicinity are on heightened alert for being shot with the increased police presence near the school. Vets are on alert to take care of the wounded.

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Winder is 25 miles from Athens. Perhaps @jimmyjazz's buddy knows people in that community?

Possibly. I still wouldn’t put a ton of (any) stock into it. I recall that poster from hawaii that was saying the Maui wildfire death toll was going to be close to or over 1000 because they knew several first responders saying how bad it was. The real death toll ended up being about 105. People that close to a situation don’t have a good overview of what’s going on usually. It’s already a fucked up situation regardless, no need to sensationalize.

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Death toll won’t climb much then. It was already too high when it got to 1 though. Just sad.

Thank god Uvalde/South Texas LE wasn't on the scene today. The killing might not over yet if they had.

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What would a veterinarian miles away from the shooting know that the general public doesn’t.

Oh shut the fuck up for once in your life.  He is highly connected in the area, he travels all around to area farms.

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