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16 hours ago, LongestHorn said:

Some of the worst massacres in recent memory have had something in common: the AR-15 style rifle. Scott Pelley reports on why the high-velocity rounds used in the gun makes it so deadly

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ar-15-used-mass-shootings-weapon-of-choice-60-minutes/

 

 

3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

None of them belong in the hands of the civilian population. If you own one then you're part of the market that allows for the legal manufacture and distribution of millions of those weapons, some of which are used for mass murders. If twenty people are killed with an assault rifle where, say, only eight people would've been killed with a 9mm handgun, you've got the blood of a dozen people on your hands. Because you can own one, a mass murderer can own one and more innocent people get killed. The people who own them are all complicit. 

Lulz...you're a moron

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That’s not true. As has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, other countries who had mass shooting events immediately changed their gun laws to make it harder or impossible to obtain the we

Chuckie Finster
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The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

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yeah i was going to ask for clarification from creasy but i suspended them instead

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3 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

None of them belong in the hands of the civilian population. If you own one then you're part of the market that allows for the legal manufacture and distribution of millions of those weapons, some of which are used for mass murders. If twenty people are killed with an assault rifle where, say, only eight people would've been killed with a 9mm handgun, you've got the blood of a dozen people on your hands. Because you can own one, a mass murderer can own one and more innocent people get killed. The people who own them are all complicit. 

Lolol. OK.  

 

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Eskimohorn

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Sadly, we can blame this on an archaic constitution that is venerated by both parties for purposes of nostalgia and hero worship.


Blame can be squarely assigned to the Rehnquist/Roberts courts’ favoritism towards international corporations over the rights of individuals.

They also began revisioning the 2nd amendment to expand it beyond community defense against natives, foreign invaders and armed factions (as cited from the Fucking Federalist Papers).

The Constitution codifies the militias role in the 2nd amendment by enabling the Feds to call upon militias in cases of insurrection (nullifying the modern narrative that the 2nd amendment is meant to scare the government. Nope-the feds have legal authority to call upon citizens to confront insurrection).

The Constitution as intended is a brilliant blueprint for democracy. It can be misused by people.
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17 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This is a bit macabre, but I’m surprised the AK-47 doesn’t see more action in these mass shootings.  They’re cheaper, higher caliber bullets, and it’s easier to locate 40 round capacity magazines.

Not sure why the AR-15 gets so much more action in these shootings.  

 

You seem to have given this a lot of thought..  You should bring your concerns to the @fbi and @atf

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Pepperdine and Cal Lutheran should immediately respond with guns on campus initiatives to keep everyone safe. More guns at off campus bars too. More guns in churches as well. More guns more guns guns. Fewer entrances and exits. This is the solution to everything.

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Ian David Long.

Marine veteran.

Cops recently called to his home about a domestic disturbance.

Still able to obtain firearms legally.

Used a handgun with an extended magazine.

Went in the bar and shot the security guard first. Sheriff deputy and highway patrolman entered within minutes and the gunman shot them.

Just another day in America.

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On 6/7/2018 at 5:15 PM, David Dennison said:

What's the probability of an American being a victim of Islamic terrorism? That's something we're all encouraged to get worked up about.

What's the probability of being the victim of crime perpetrated by a Central American migrant who managed to leg out an 1,800 mile caravan (and received a trophy, no doubt)?

Man, if you're gonna fear-monger, then do it right, peoples.  (Not you, DD.)

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Furk... this one hits close to home, as I had the chance to work at Pepperdine back in the early 2000s and was at this bar frequently.

Man, something's got to change... because the "good guy with a gun" also was killed. There are no words.

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2 hours ago, NWBuck said:

 

Man, something's got to change... because the "good guy with a gun" also was killed. There are no words.

First person killed was the security guard.  First responding policeman entering the building was also killed.  Heard the police spokesman say that they have changed the way they handle these situations.  SOP used to be to control and assess from outside before confronting the shooter. Current SOP is for law enforcement to charge into the attack zone.

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First person killed was the security guard.  First responding policeman entering the building was also killed.  Heard the police spokesman say that they have changed the way they handle these situations.  SOP used to be to control and assess from outside before confronting the shooter. Current SOP is for law enforcement to charge into the attack zone.

Well that sounds like sound, 19th c. English military protocol ala the Charge of the Light Brigade.  Cheerio......

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Here is what we know about the suspect:

• Mr. Long, of Newbury Park, Calif., had served in the United States Marine Corps.

• Sheriff Geoff Dean said deputies had several interactions with Mr. Long over the last few years. One of the encounters involved a reported disturbance at his home in April that prompted mental health specialists to talk to him.

• The specialists who spoke with Mr. Long discussed his military service with him and whether he had suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. They determined that he was not an immediate danger to himself or others and that he could not be involuntarily taken to a mental hospital.

• Sheriff Dean said that Mr. Long was the victim in a January 2015 fight at a different bar in Thousand Oaks.

After the Wednesday night shooting, the authorities recovered a handgun inside the Borderline Bar & Grill, a Glock 21 .45-caliber handgun, which they believe Mr. Long used in the attack. The firearm had been outfitted with an extended magazine to hold more bullets than a typical handgun. It had been purchased legally, Sheriff Dean said.

• Mr. Long first shot a security guard outside the bar, went inside and then shot more security personnel and employees before opening fire on patrons. Read here for the latest developments on the Thousand Oaks shooting.

 

From the NYT.

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Just now, Bat Guano said:

Seems like security guards can't stop a determined shooter.

All this tells us is that we need MORE armed guards in public.  I'd say establishing a ratio of one armed guard for every 10 citizens in a public space should do the trick.

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1 minute ago, Foosters said:

All this tells us is that we need MORE armed guards in public.  I'd say establishing a ratio of one armed guard for every 10 citizens in a public space should do the trick.

We can't afford that, so why not require every public employee (teacher, firefighter, EMS, postal worker, road crew) be armed 24/7.  what could go wrong.

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49 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If you are a fan of deserted desert.

sw utah is forested, the SE side has beautiful rock features and Moab is very expensive/popular with tourists. That area is really prime and away; from certain places, is Texas level affordable. 

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Oops, we forgot to mention that the "good guys with guns" should probably only be white.


Malone: Why do you want to be a police officer?

Williamson: To protect the... people and the... p...

Malone: I'm not looking for the "yearbook" answer. Why do you want to join the force.

Williamson: The force?

Malone: Yeah, why do you want to join the force.

Williamson: Because... I...

Malone: Yeah?

Williamson: ...think I could help.

Malone: You think you could help.

Williamson: ...with the force.

Malone: Thank you very much, you've been most helpful.

[Williamson leaves]

Malone: [to Ness] There goes the next chief of police.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/final-bump-stock-ban/

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The Trump administration plans to announce the long-anticipated federal rule officially banning bump stocks in the coming days, according to US officials familiar with the matter. 

Bump stocks gained national attention last year after a gunman in Las Vegas rigged his weapons with the devices to fire on concertgoers, killing 58 people. President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy, and some lawmakers on Capitol Hill urged him to back a permanent legislative fix. 

But opposition from lawmakers and the National Rifle Association ultimately made a regulatory change the only realistic path forward to accomplishing the President's goal.

Surprised, given that he’s going to need the Rs in Congress on his side, and it will rule his base up.

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/28/politics/final-bump-stock-ban/

Surprised, given that he’s going to need the Rs in Congress on his side, and it will rule his base up.

I almost feel the opposite. He’s done the math and sees he has to reach out to new demographics.  

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I'll have to read the final language of the changes but if the proposed rule wasn't changed in any way then isn't this a de facto gun ban? From the proposed rule language

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Finally, the Department proposes to clarify that the definition of a “machinegun” includes a device that allows semiautomatic firearms to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter (commonly known as bump-stock-type devices).

All you really need to mimic the effect of a bump stock is something that you can tie around your body that loops in front of the trigger. Am I in possession of a machine gun if I have a rope with me? Or is it only a machine gun if I have a rope with the firearm?

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SuingToGetAMessageBoard?

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6 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

I'll have to read the final language of the changes but if the proposed rule wasn't changed in any way then isn't this a de facto gun ban? From the proposed rule language

All you really need to mimic the effect of a bump stock is something that you can tie around your body that loops in front of the trigger. Am I in possession of a machine gun if I have a rope with me? Or is it only a machine gun if I have a rope with the firearm?

that's what courts are for -- the corner cases.  if it is as simple as you so to do that, then the court would implement some test in their analysis like "is a substantial purpose of the modification to allow for [machinegun-like behavior]".  we aren't a country of robots.

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2 hours ago, retread said:

Remember after the Las Vegas shooting, his words were: "Bumpstocks are gone. That's an easy one. I'll eliminate those tomorrow with an EO."

 

5 hours ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I almost feel the opposite. He’s done the math and sees he has to reach out to new demographics.  

He's been sitting on this one until he needs it.  I find it suspicious that it leaks out just as the Russia stuff ramps up to an 11, because this is an issue that could easily distract his base from the Russia stuff.    They can pretend to get angry at him, he can say "look, people are telling me this is needed, but you know I love the Constitution and all that, so you know what, let's talk about this for a few days" meanwhile he's hoping they are pissed at him over the bumpstocks while hoping/knowing he will back down and are too distracted from other stuff (Russia).

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/us/ron-helus-california-highway-patrol-thousand-oaks-shooting/index.html

oh man.

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The sheriff's sergeant who initially responded to last month's mass shooting at the Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, California, was fatally shot by gunfire from a California Highway Patrol officer, officials said Friday.

Sgt. Ron Helus was struck five times by gunfire from the suspect, Ian David Long, according to Ventura County Sheriff Bill Ayub, but was hit by a sixth bullet from a CHP officer's rifle.

Helus could have potentially survived the five wounds from Long's weapon, but the sixth bullet, fired by the CHP officer who entered the bar with Helus, proved fatal. It struck Helus in the chest and his heart, according to Dr. Christopher Young, the Ventura County medical examiner.

"This is sad news and a tragedy," Young said, "but ultimately this was the most severe injury sustained."

 

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16 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-news-sandy-hook-lanza-new-documents-20181204-story.html

Read it.   Chilling.   Amazing how many people knew there was something deeply wrong with him, well before the shooting.   Knew about him being on (and off) meds.

This is one of those times that everybody should be able to agree that there should never have been any firearms allowed near that house. 

But I guarantee the NRA would defend his mom buying firearms and ammo.   She paid for her mistake.  Shame that 20 little kids and 6 adults did as well.

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