Mass Shootings

[GW Hayduke 1950]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Read the materials that I suggested. One is composed by a scientist and the other by a meticulous historian whose book is about 40 percent bibliography. The application of these sciences points to the fact that we lie to ourselves about our history and perversely use the lies to justify further killing.

I'm not talking about the world. I'm talking about the United States. 

On an individual level, you get Americans believing in the power of the gun to solve problems. Cue Mark Twain. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The lunatic who slaughtered the family in Cleveland, Texas was out shooting his rifle at 11pm. A neighbor asks him to stop.

That he's out in his yard firing his rifle when people are trying to sleep nearby sounds uniquely American to me. His annoying neighbor interrupts his excercise of his God-given right, an attitude that seems uniquely American to me. He slaughters the neighbor's family, an action all too common in America and rare elsewhere.

 

That’s cool. Do note that the history and science that you describe in those books doesn’t appear to be inconsistent with with what Sawbonez is saying and isn’t inconsistent the Diamond’s take. 

[yoladu 4065]

2 hours ago, RPM said:

TEXARKANA, Texas (KTAL/KMSS) – A baseball player with Texas A&M University-Texarkana was struck by a stray bullet during a game Saturday evening.

Officers responded to the shooting at the George Dobson Field at Spring Lake Park around 5:30 p.m. Officials say the 18-year-old was standing in the bullpen when a stray bullet struck him.

The Texarkana Texas Police Department says the shot came from an altercation in a neighborhood west of the park.

First responders took the baseball player to St. Michael Hospital for treatment. The TTPD says he went into surgery Saturday and is in stable condition.

As a precaution, BSA officials decided to end the Scout-O-Rama happening in another area of the park.

What were thinking? Holding a Scout-O-Rama in a park?!! Come on man, it's 2023.

[RomaVicta 29756]

1 hour ago, GW Hayduke said:

That’s cool. Do note that the history and science that you describe in those books doesn’t appear to be inconsistent with with what Sawbonez is saying and isn’t inconsistent the Diamond’s take. 

Had that been my point, you would have a point, my friend.

[RomaVicta 29756]

10 minutes ago, yoladu said:

What were thinking? Holding a Scout-O-Rama in a park?!! Come on man, it's 2023.

There's no locking doors in public parks!

[YGIFS 19449]

"Hello sir, my name is Elliott and I'm with the Boy Scouts of America.  And we're selling AR-15's to earn enough money to make it to the Jamboree this summer."  

[nbmishoid 930]

48 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

"Hello sir, my name is Elliott and I'm with the Boy Scouts of America.  And we're selling AR-15's to earn enough money to make it to the Jamboree this summer."  

When the JW’s and LDS’s take up this line, you will know we have reached super saturation levels.  

[Sawbonz 27375]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m pretty sure boating technology predates Christianity. 

That was kind of my point but thanks

[Pancho 44358]

These people are fucking cray. 

 

[mdmost 42775]

Just look at NextDoor. Every other post for me is people freaking out because this person came to their door or their Ring camera caught this person walking near their house. It's just post after post of scared fucking idiots who probably own firearms who think every person is a home invader. I'm glad my kids no longer do Girl Scouts because it wouldn't shock me if some freak eventually kills a Girl Scout who comes to their door just trying to sell cookies. But again, it's not a gun problem. It's fucking idiots with access to guns problem. 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

Proud Oklahoma grad.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

I'm scared of children is peak Eagle Freedom Patriot Alpha Male.

[Sawbonz 27375]

19 minutes ago, Pancho said:

These people are fucking cray. 

 

More like iWeatherNut

[Ten Bears 2478]

Of course he's in DFW.  Which station does he naga naga not gonna work for? 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

7 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

Of course he's in DFW.  Which station does he naga naga not gonna work for? 

He owns the company.  Or, at least he founded the company.

[C-Man 26991]

1 hour ago, Ten Bears said:

Of course he's in DFW.  Which station does he naga naga not gonna work for? 

 

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

He owns the company.  Or, at least he founded the company.

Yeah, sounds like at one time he worked for the National Weather Service in DFW. Started this iWeatherNet.com business -- who knows what exactly they do? The "About Us" looks like the Island of Mis-Fit Toys of meteorologists. Too nerdy to get on TV.  https://www.iweathernet.com/weathernet-team

[Captainant 27309]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Just look at NextDoor. Every other post for me is people freaking out because this person came to their door or their Ring camera caught this person walking near their house. It's just post after post of scared fucking idiots who probably own firearms who think every person is a home invader. I'm glad my kids no longer do Girl Scouts because it wouldn't shock me if some freak eventually kills a Girl Scout who comes to their door just trying to sell cookies. But again, it's not a gun problem. It's fucking idiots with access to guns problem. 

There's one single thing that drives this sort of people. 

It's always a fear driven response to anything and everything they can't be bothered to apply critical thinking to

[Satchel 6908]

I missed this one:

 

[FartingDreamer 138]

Fuck all of those 2nd Amendment loving POS who value "rights" above the lives and safety of their fellow men.  Our country is beyond fucked up with our gun culture and entitled right-wingers who think the world revolves around them and their "rights."  Fuck them.

Edited May 1, 2023 by FartingDreamer

[FartingDreamer 138]

We are so individualistic and selfish as a society in this nation, how narcissistic!

[Walser 1103]

Why is the reward for the Cleveland shooter only $80k? Don't answer that.

I don't know what the right number is but it should be a lot higher.

[FartingDreamer 138]

3 minutes ago, Walser said:

Why is the reward for the Cleveland shooter only $80k? Don't answer that.

I don't know what the right number is but it should be a lot higher.

Probably because we base the value of human life upon citizenship?  Which is grossly inhumane and backwards for a developed nation.  

[staboner 4955]

5 hours ago, Pancho said:

These people are fucking cray. 

 

this is just wildly alarming. I mean I know these people exist, but for this person to be a (reading between lines) successful professional of any sort + make this post, then double down on this post, is just really far down the line of what should be appropriate across a civil society. We have children, kittens, doorbells and first reaction is gun and post on internet. I can't even fathom how many small dicked weirdos live out every fucking day of their life like this. It certainly appears that America is trying hard to win the mental health special olympics. This level of fear and distrust is just so far off the charts that if this was my family member or friend, or even neighbor, I would make sure everyone I love and care about never puts themselves in a position where they have to interact with him.

Sounds like my family rules around cops in Texas. Ugh. 

[Covri 6229]

1 hour ago, Walser said:

Why is the reward for the Cleveland shooter only $80k? Don't answer that.

I don't know what the right number is but it should be a lot higher.

It’s on a sliding scale

 

[Satchel 6908]

2 hours ago, FartingDreamer said:

Fuck all of those 2nd Amendment loving POS who value "rights" above the lives and safety of their fellow men.  Our country is beyond fucked up with our gun culture and entitled right-wingers who think the world revolves around them and their "rights."  Fuck them.

If these little kids had to crawl on their bellies to avoid being shot, what’s the problem?

[Aqua Buddha 14488]

I don't know if this is the right place to put this but, Gravy Seals......?  (This was from the recent Texas shooting.)

 

[Sawbonz 27375]

15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

This was from the recent Texas shooting

I’m afraid you’re going to have to be more specific 

[C-Man 26991]

Anybody else find it odd that the father hopped out the window during the Cleveland shooting, potentially leaving the kids and women in the house to fend for themselves? Supposedly, his wife was the first one shot at the door and he was helped out a window by another woman who was ultimately murdered. He said she told him their mother was already dead and the kids needed at least one parent to survive to raise them. Of course at that point, the fucking killer could've killed everybody in the house. To my knowledge, no kids were passed out the window with the surviving father.

Anyway, this has been bothering me since the father's interview where he relayed what happened. I'm not sure I would've broadcast that chain of events to the nation.

(Sorry if this thought makes me a callous person.)

[Brian Fantana 6654]

Doesn't seem like the salient point

[Hermanator 6916]

18 hours ago, Pancho said:

These people are fucking cray. 

 

People who are going to break in aren't going to ring the doorbell first. 

Social media has created increased levels of anxiety across the globe but for a country that's stocked to the gills with firearms it's been absolutely catastrophic. Ironic how Americans invented and profited from the technology that's bringing America to it's knees and collapsing it. We spent decades worried about foreigners and in the end we're the ones destroying ourselves from within. 

[YGIFS 19449]

He was very likely still in shock when he said that.  Who the fuck knows.  I’ve kept my cool around idiots with handguns.  But now that have children and was  around an assault weapon, I have no idea what the fuck I’d do or say.  But I guess I gotta figure it out so I can coach up my kids because ‘murica.  

[AnTiM 1656]

11 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

People who are going to break in aren't going to ring the doorbell first. 

Social media has created increased levels of anxiety across the globe but for a country that's stocked to the gills with firearms it's been absolutely catastrophic. Ironic how Americans invented and profited from the technology that's bringing America to it's knees and collapsing it. We spent decades worried about foreigners and in the end we're the ones destroying ourselves from within. 

Reading most of the comments made on that post tells me that one should not act like an ass and then brag about doing it.  Maybe the explanation is simply that half of the population is dumber than the other half.  I forget if that is the median or the mean or the average.

[Hermanator 6916]

The meteorologist isn't dumb but he's allowed a full on social media fueled brainwashing to make him foolish and doing dumb things. 

Social media fueled irrational fears isn't an American trait. It's happening across the globe. Take a look at what it did to cause brexit in England. What we've learned is very very few people are mentally and emotionally equipped to handle information overload and being bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis. I mean we should have already known that but social media just opened the floodgates to it and there's no reversing it. 

[Steamboat1874 4031]

16 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

The meteorologist isn't dumb but he's allowed a full on social media fueled brainwashing to make him foolish and doing dumb things. 

Social media fueled irrational fears isn't an American trait. It's happening across the globe. Take a look at what it did to cause brexit in England. What we've learned is very very few people are mentally and emotionally equipped to handle information overload and being bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis. I mean we should have already known that but social media just opened the floodgates to it and there's no reversing it. 

I totally agree with this.

[Pam Cummings 9553]

29 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

The meteorologist isn't dumb but he's allowed a full on social media fueled brainwashing to make him foolish and doing dumb things. 

Social media fueled irrational fears isn't an American trait. It's happening across the globe. Take a look at what it did to cause brexit in England. What we've learned is very very few people are mentally and emotionally equipped to handle information overload and being bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis. I mean we should have already known that but social media just opened the floodgates to it and there's no reversing it. 

It's unbelievable. This person has been bombarded with so much fear porn and fear mongering that the simple act of someone ringing his doorbell immediately puts him in a place where he's thinking someone could legitimately be there to kill him or do him harm. That's the first thought for him. Not that it might be a neighbor or someone he knows.

 

How are the GOP not terrorists again? That they do this to people and make them this scared?

Edited May 2, 2023 by Pam Cummings

[HamsterHookah 112]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Anybody else find it odd that the father hopped out the window during the Cleveland shooting, potentially leaving the kids and women in the house to fend for themselves? Supposedly, his wife was the first one shot at the door and he was helped out a window by another woman who was ultimately murdered. He said she told him their mother was already dead and the kids needed at least one parent to survive to raise them. Of course at that point, the fucking killer could've killed everybody in the house. To my knowledge, no kids were passed out the window with the surviving father.

Anyway, this has been bothering me since the father's interview where he relayed what happened. I'm not sure I would've broadcast that chain of events to the nation.

(Sorry if this thought makes me a callous person.)

 

[HamsterHookah 112]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

The meteorologist isn't dumb but he's allowed a full on social media fueled brainwashing to make him foolish and doing dumb things. 

Social media fueled irrational fears isn't an American trait. It's happening across the globe. Take a look at what it did to cause brexit in England. What we've learned is very very few people are mentally and emotionally equipped to handle information overload and being bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis. I mean we should have already known that but social media just opened the floodgates to it and there's no reversing it. 

This is information dump and overload and social media inundation you speak of (and I wholeheartedly agree with you) is just going to get worse with AI.

Which is why one of the AI gurus came out this week saying the risk is not AI getting sentient and skynet and all that crap-- the risk is AI driving us all insane.

[Hornius Emeritus 12403]

19 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

 

Which is why one of the AI gurus came out this week saying the risk is not AI getting sentient and skynet and all that crap-- the risk is AI driving us all insane.

That sounds like something an AI bot would say.

[Pancho 44358]

He’s gone off the edge

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21022]

[BevoAbyss 2055]

3 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Social media has created increased levels of anxiety across the globe but for a country that's stocked to the gills with firearms it's been absolutely catastrophic. Ironic how Americans invented and profited from the technology that's bringing America to it's knees and collapsing it. We spent decades worried about foreigners and in the end we're the ones destroying ourselves from within. 

 

3 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Social media fueled irrational fears isn't an American trait. It's happening across the globe. What we've learned is very very few people are mentally and emotionally equipped to handle information overload and being bombarded with propaganda on a daily basis. I mean we should have already known that but social media just opened the floodgates to it and there's no reversing it. 

Spot on. 100%.

The proliferation of guns and social fears parallels the proliferation of screens and social media. 

The proliferation of firing bullets mirrors the proliferation of everyone firing off posts, tweets, and updates. 

For many, the fear and rage builds as each post they don't like on social media feels like an info-bullet to their brain, triggering cognitive overload and cultural warriors.

[DDD Dad 14167]

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

Anybody else find it odd that the father hopped out the window during the Cleveland shooting, potentially leaving the kids and women in the house to fend for themselves? Supposedly, his wife was the first one shot at the door and he was helped out a window by another woman who was ultimately murdered. He said she told him their mother was already dead and the kids needed at least one parent to survive to raise them. Of course at that point, the fucking killer could've killed everybody in the house. To my knowledge, no kids were passed out the window with the surviving father.

Anyway, this has been bothering me since the father's interview where he relayed what happened. I'm not sure I would've broadcast that chain of events to the nation.

(Sorry if this thought makes me a callous person.)

 

4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Doesn't seem like the salient point

The salient point is whether he is here legally.

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

4 hours ago, Hermanator said:

People who are going to break in aren't going to ring the doorbell first.

Sure they are. Do you know a better way to make sure no one’s home before you break in?

[nbmishoid 930]

Asking for a friend..

[C-Man 26991]

3 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

It's unbelievable. This person has been bombarded with so much fear porn and fear mongering that the simple act of someone ringing his doorbell immediately puts him in a place where he's thinking someone could legitimately be there to kill him or do him harm. That's the first thought for him. Not that it might be a neighbor or someone he knows.

 

How are the GOP not terrorists again? That they do this to people and make them this scared?

Or maybe this guy just has a hard-on to shoot somebody and have it be somehow "justified" by our stupid gun laws.

[HamsterHookah 112]

33 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

 

Spot on. 100%.

The proliferation of guns and social fears parallels the proliferation of screens and social media. 

The proliferation of firing bullets mirrors the proliferation of everyone firing off posts, tweets, and updates. 

For many, the fear and rage builds as each post they don't like on social media feels like an info-bullet to their brain, triggering cognitive overload and cultural warriors.

On both sides for sure. The rage that a milquetoast post in cloak room can produce is still, 5 screen names later, very surprising.

[Nivek 16807]

4 hours ago, Hermanator said:

People who are going to break in aren't going to ring the doorbell first. 

Social media has created increased levels of anxiety across the globe but for a country that's stocked to the gills with firearms it's been absolutely catastrophic. Ironic how Americans invented and profited from the technology that's bringing America to it's knees and collapsing it. We spent decades worried about foreigners and in the end we're the ones destroying ourselves from within. 

I have told this story before, but when in Florida visiting my parents my brother comes over with his family and he immediately walks in and pulls out the holster with the loaded pistol, and places it on a cabinet.  My parents and sister act like this is normal.  I ask him about it, and he explains it is for protection.  From what? Well, apparently there are roving bands of gangs like in a Cormac McCarthy book that is on the lookout for a piece of shit, decade+ minivans with 200k miles on it, and faded paint, and crushed seats. 

[Hermanator 6916]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Sure they are. Do you know a better way to make sure no one’s home before you break in?

Presence of cars would be one. Staking out the house to see who's coming and going would be better. 

These days most people don't open the door. They look at the doorbell camera or through the peep hole and if they don't know who it is they don't answer. Going off of no on answering the door to indicate no one is home in this day and age would be an erroneous assumption.  We had a small hail storm blow through about a week and a half ago and since then every day is 1 to 2 new door bell rings of door to door roof and dent repair contractors. I just take one glance at my phone to see who's at the door and just leave it be. 

[HamsterHookah 112]

14 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Presence of cars would be one. Staking out the house to see who's coming and going would be better. 

These days most people don't open the door. They look at the doorbell camera or through the peep hole and if they don't know who it is they don't answer. Going off of no on answering the door to indicate no one is home in this day and age would be an erroneous assumption.  We had a small hail storm blow through about a week and a half ago and since then every day is 1 to 2 new door bell rings of door to door roof and dent repair contractors. I just take one glance at my phone to see who's at the door and just leave it be. 

To your point, I answer the ring camera from inside my home and pretend I'm not home 90% of the time. No I don't want "free" solar panels for the 99th time.

Edited May 2, 2023 by HamsterHookah

[Satchel 6908]

2 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

 

Spot on. 100%.

The proliferation of guns and social fears parallels the proliferation of screens and social media. 

The proliferation of firing bullets mirrors the proliferation of everyone firing off posts, tweets, and updates. 

For many, the fear and rage builds as each post they don't like on social media feels like an info-bullet to their brain, triggering cognitive overload and cultural warriors.

Add good ole days nostalgia with a huge helping of grievance and you’ve got hell on earth.

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

Presence of cars would be one. Staking out the house to see who's coming and going would be better. 

These days most people don't open the door. They look at the doorbell camera or through the peep hole and if they don't know who it is they don't answer. Going off of no on answering the door to indicate no one is home in this day and age would be an erroneous assumption.  We had a small hail storm blow through about a week and a half ago and since then every day is 1 to 2 new door bell rings of door to door roof and dent repair contractors. I just take one glance at my phone to see who's at the door and just leave it be. 

You must be right then. Ringing the bell or knocking on the door is not a measure that burglars ever take to make sure no one is home before breaking in. Never happens. I made it up.