Mass Shootings

[cactusflinthead 27627]

15 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Did this get reported yet? Garcia apparently “removed” from US Army in 2008 due to “mental health concerns.”
 

 

Yeah I have seen it reported in several places.

[Disco Strangler 1916]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You ever cancel a flight because of a plane crash or hijacking?

From 9-11-2001 to about 9-22-2001, yeah.  

[cactusflinthead 27627]

9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

THAT'S how the GOP is staying in control in Texas, that makes things make much more sense

Might have been @Zepol87 talking about family that he knew were big on Trump because he "talks shit". It's not any different than a backasswards redneck willing to vote against their own interests because they hate. What or who, even self hate, is immaterial if it can be directed at a target.

Brief uncool story

There's a lottery for getting guest workers from Mexico. We didn't get any. Had to get some from Honduras. It was a rough beginning because of new process yada yada but it seemed to settle down and work progressed. 

Then one day we had a meeting. Some HR lady and a couple of back ups came from the head office.

"Stop being dickheads to the new guys."

I had talked about this with one of my guys who happens to be black. He has been in landscaping a good while. He knows how it goes. 

I asked him why Mexican guys hate on Hondurans. 

"I dunno man. They just don't cut "

tl/dr People hating on other people don't have to make sense 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

[mention=2291]Helobious[/mention] brought a phrase to the discussion that I didn't know. I suppose as a gringo it's not one I would hear.
Nopal en la frente
I had to go look it up.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nopal+en+la+frente
A term from Mexico used to describe a self-hating Mexican mestizo or full blooded native American who has extremely obvious native American facial traits, yet denies this and pretends to be a white guy from Spain by telling you a story about his nonexistent great grandmother with blonde hair and blue eyes. In Mexico, these self-hating mestizos desperately deny their obvious native American DNA even though their ancestors were Aztec, Mayan, Purepecha, Tlaxcatec and other native American groups. Instead, they ignore that and pretend that they are 100% white from Spain. They usually call others prieto despite being dark skinned themselves. When they move to the US they only hang out with white people and always talk about how much they hate Mexico in order to get approval from their white friends who think he's a weird Uncle Tom anyways. Guy#1: Hey why does that prieto deny his Mexican native ancestry and pretends to be a white Spaniard?
Guy#2: Idk bro, he has el nopal en la frente, pretty obvious he's from Mexico and not Spain; he looks like Montezuma. by Nezahualcoyotl December 22, 2018

Yes. And again, y’all need to understand that “Hispanic” and “Latino” are not races. There are white, black, brown, yellow and everything in between in Latin America.

[Horn Dog 10158]

58 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

So he was a Hispanic white supremacist??

Trans-racial is the new frontier.

[Zepol87 9341]

Oh yea racist pos Latinos exist everywhere. It got worse with trump around my circle. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Zepol87

[fattyflattie 4640]

59 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

There's no way they made a parking lot full of cars stay more than 24 hours. It was open and business as usual. 

That’s what one of the news links said. Not letting cars leave. 

[C-Man 27779]

18 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Might have been @Zepol87 talking about family that he knew were big on Trump because he "talks shit". It's not any different than a backasswards redneck willing to vote against their own interests because they hate. What or who, even self hate, is immaterial if it can be directed at a target.

Brief uncool story

There's a lottery for getting guest workers from Mexico. We didn't get any. Had to get some from Honduras. It was a rough beginning because of new process yada yada but it seemed to settle down and work progressed. 

Then one day we had a meeting. Some HR lady and a couple of back ups came from the head office.

"Stop being dickheads to the new guys."

I had talked about this with one of my guys who happens to be black. He has been in landscaping a good while. He knows how it goes. 

I asked him why Mexican guys hate on Hondurans. 

"I dunno man. They just don't cut "

tl/dr People hating on other people don't have to make sense 

 

10 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Oh yea racial pos Latinos exist everywhere. It got worse with trump around my circle. 

Really close friend of mine owns Sammy’s BBQ in Dallas. Used to have about half employees that were Mexican and half who were Salvadoran. The two groups did not get along at all.

Edited May 8, 2023 by C-Man

[royiv 9791]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Did this get reported yet? Garcia apparently “removed” from US Army in 2008 due to “mental health concerns.”
 

 

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Was that a red flag?

[Stilicho 1422]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Latinos are being indoctrinated by right wing radical republicans just as quickly as lonely White bros.

 

They’re trying to indoctrinate anybody that gives the time of day. 

[C-Man 27779]

4 minutes ago, Stilicho said:

They’re trying to indoctrinate anybody that gives the time of day. 

We were all amazed how Abbott and Trump won so hugely in South Texas — we’re seeing why

[dcbc 14644]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

We were all amazed how Abbott and Trump won so hugely in South Texas — we’re seeing why

A friend of mine, whose wife is Salvadoran, attributes it to a Latino machismo connection to Trump's bullshit.  He may be right, but I have to remind him that his wife has not made him more Latino in knowledge-of-culture terms. 

Edited May 8, 2023 by dcbc

[Stilicho 1422]

6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

We were all amazed how Abbott and Trump won so hugely in South Texas — we’re seeing why

The oil patch, the church, and Fox News. 

[Hermanator 7672]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

That’s what one of the news links said. Not letting cars leave. 

 

My friend went by and said there were a lot of protesters out there. That's probably what I saw 

[C-Man 27779]

9 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

 

My friend went by and said there were a lot of protesters out there. That's probably what I saw 

Apparently, there were a dozen or so protesters out front of the mega church where Abbott, Patrick and Paxton were in attendance.

[Satchel 6982]

https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1655335501589540866?s=20

[C-Man 27779]

13 minutes ago, Satchel said:

https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1655335501589540866?s=20

Woof

 

[Voldemort86 2259]

Ugh these shootings suck.

I’ll admit when one of these major shooting events happen. I hope or cross my fingers that the shooter was either killed by a cop or the shooter killed themselves.

I hate the “ good guy with a gun” theory that conservatives are so obsessed with. I don’t want conservatives to have anything to celebrate, point to, or use from these disasters. All I want conservatives to do is send their weird and awkward “thoughts and prayers” tweets because we know they aren’t doing shit to help the victims or stop this from happening.

if conservatives aren’t going to help us fix problems like shootings and abortions then fuck them.

[InkaUtexas 26888]

5 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

I grew up in Texas. Born and raised.

I knew gun owners. My dad. My uncle. Both long deceased. 

Dad was a Korean War vet. Went to UT on the GI Bill. A proud engineer who also liked to hunt and owned a shotgun.  

My uncle was a WW2 vet, served in the European Theater against the Nazis. A proud rancher, he owned a shotgun (for hunting) and rifle (for shooting coyotes, rattlers, and big ass rats that got into the grain for the cattle). 

Gun ownership was never part of their cultural or masculine identity. Proud vets? Yep! Gun worshippers? Nope. NEVER!

Their masculine and cultural identities were expressed in honesty, hard work, a firm handshake, looking people in the eyes when talking, raising their kids to be honest, hard-working, treating people with respect, and getting college degrees. When I walked with my PhD from UT, my dad (not the emotional type) teared up and hugged me tight. He was proud. 

A gun decal on my uncle's F-150s. Lulz. A Second Amendment decal on my dad's cars. Lulz. 

Bottom line: These Texas men did not need a killing machine to give them an identity. They got it through the lives they lived, the families they loved, the kids they shaped, and the clients and businesses they served. 

Though long deceased, I can guaran-damn-tee they would have never thought selling millions of mass killing machines was a good idea. No fucking way. As my uncle, the rancher, used to say, "You can hang your hat on it."

 

My dad, 36 years in. Most in SOCOM and he would applaud you. Guard your shit. Let authorities guard locations. 

Damn good post Sir. +Rep. 

[Bookman 4763]

10 hours ago, gmr548 said:

there is going to be an extremely strong anti gun backlash in this county. I don't know that I am confident in that, but the 2A Cult is actively creating an equally intransigent and committed bloc on the other end of the spectrum, and it's going to end up being bigger in numbers.

I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

10 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Pretty much everyone under 35 or so has lived with this being a normal occurrence in this country. 

My one hope is that that once Boomers die off to the point of not being relevant electorally, and X'ers are simply swamped by Millennials, Gen Zs, and Gen Alphas (who aren't really cognizant of it now but are going to grow up in a similar world), there is going to be an extremely strong anti gun backlash in this county. I don't know that I am confident in that, but the 2A Cult is actively creating an equally intransigent and committed bloc on the other end of the spectrum, and it's going to end up being bigger in numbers.

I see this posted from time to time.  Not. Going. To. Happen.  Rural areas are not getting any less maga w/ age.  The rurals are doing an incredible job of indoctrinating their kids.  "Cowboy Churches" are packed every fucking weekend w/ young couples and their kids.  They are being absolutely brainwashed into thinking their parents' way.  

Shit will continue on as usual.

[Captainant 28539]

12 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The rurals are doing an incredible job of indoctrinating their kids. 

Grooming. Were supposed to call that grooming, I believe. It's too bad our experts on the term have all mysteriously disappeared from surly 

[Fastbreak 4049]

I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

Compromise is for pussies. There are libs to own.

[lemonlime 5503]

43 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

There's NRA Russian money to be had.  Who the fuck cares about constituents?  Especially in gerrymandered districts and when you're planning on ignoring unfavorable election results anyway.

[Nivek 17415]

7 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

 

if conservatives aren’t going to help us fix problems like shootings and abortions then fuck them.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahaha  hahahahahaha  hahahahaha

Conservatives fix problems...haha hahaha haha  haha  haha....  They CREATED this.  They love it.  They created a law where an armed grown man can stalk a kid and then shoot them once confronted, and they celebrated.  They celebrate another young man with an underdeveloped brain, with a weapon he wasn't allowed to possess, shot and killed two people.  Then they posed with these people as heroes.  They celebrate the storming of the United States Capitol building and the murder of two police officers and numerous other injuries because they lost an election.   They wanted their fellow Americans to die because they vote differently.  They celebrate the kidnapping and trafficking of illegals.  The ripping of families apart.  Their buddies charging the state hundreds/day to house people in a tent or thousands for a greyhound ticket.   

They want you to vote for them for protection from the dystopian world they created.  

Edited May 8, 2023 by Nivek

[DDD Dad 14650]

11 hours ago, C-Man said:

It’s a crime scene. They didn’t let anybody take their cars home. They removed Garcia’s vehicle though.

Also all stores remain closed today. Many still haven’t retrieved their cars. Just announced that people can come get them between 10 and 2 today. 

[Make em eat Taco Bell 1549]

watching a Rolan Martin video -- 75% of under 30 never vote.  I'm guilty too when I was that age.  That's victory if these 20s can be mobilized. 

[Red Five 41738]

19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Also all stores remain closed today. Many still haven’t retrieved their cars. Just announced that people can come get them between 10 and 2 today. 

The idea that they cleaned up all the bodies and blood and stuff in the evening and then opened up all the stores the next morning was entertaining though.

[RomaVicta 30588]

11 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

@Helobious brought a phrase to the discussion that I didn't know. I suppose as a gringo it's not one I would hear.

Nopal en la frente

I had to go look it up.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nopal+en+la+frente

A term from Mexico used to describe a self-hating Mexican mestizo or full blooded native American who has extremely obvious native American facial traits, yet denies this and pretends to be a white guy from Spain by telling you a story about his nonexistent great grandmother with blonde hair and blue eyes. In Mexico, these self-hating mestizos desperately deny their obvious native American DNA even though their ancestors were Aztec, Mayan, Purepecha, Tlaxcatec and other native American groups. Instead, they ignore that and pretend that they are 100% white from Spain. They usually call others prieto despite being dark skinned themselves. When they move to the US they only hang out with white people and always talk about how much they hate Mexico in order to get approval from their white friends who think he's a weird Uncle Tom anyways.

Guy#1: Hey why does that prieto deny his Mexican native ancestry and pretends to be a white Spaniard?
Guy#2: Idk bro, he has el nopal en la frente, pretty obvious he's from Mexico and not Spain; he looks like Montezuma.

by Nezahualcoyotl December 22, 2018

Has a user name ever checked out more than this one?

[Hawndoh 2409]

Frisco ISD had social media threats of violence today and are excusing any absences but still holding school.

My school in Plano is near the border with Frisco and I already have multiple parents emailing that they would keep their kids home today.

Supposed to give the STAAR math test tomorrow so I'm sure that will go swimmingly.

[Nivek 17415]

16 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You know those guys who collect mall swords and throwing stars and shit, then “train” with it? Black gun culture is basically that, except the collector items are very, very deadly. And much more money flows to the manufacturer. 

No one is scared of ninja kid cosplaying as a badass with a stick, sword or Chinese stars.  Even if he gets ripped, gets proficient as a Samurai or some medieval knight with the weapons, that guy is not going to walk around in a full suit of armor with a pike and mass murder people for not bowing to him.   That goofy bastard is just trying escapism or has a real appreciation for history.  

The black gun culture is intertwined with toxic masculinity.  It is about hate, fear, and (in some cases willful) stupidity.   It is about getting revenge on society.  

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20917]

It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 

 

 

Edited May 8, 2023 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20917]

I just read this little tangential thing:  "Dallas Police said their computers were still down as of Saturday following a ransomware attack Wednesday."

[Gap03 3386]

51 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Frisco ISD had social media threats of violence today and are excusing any absences but still holding school.

My school in Plano is near the border with Frisco and I already have multiple parents emailing that they would keep their kids home today.

Supposed to give the STAAR math test tomorrow so I'm sure that will go swimmingly.

I wish kids across the state would hold a massive STAAR test day walkout as a very special "fuck you" to the Texas political leaders that have failed them.  

[Hank Kingsley 21784]

It's incredibly frustrating to see the arguments and desire to profile every mass shooter in order to make an entirely different political argument. 

It doesn't matter if a gunman is a transsexual leftist or a neo-Nazi Trump lover.  Labeling people and trying to dig for personal motives is pointless and gets us nowhere. Frankly, this is what pro-gun people want. To muddy the waters and deflect from the main issue. And we all fall for it every time. 

This is simply about a hugely populated society that cannot safely co-exist with blatant and easy gun ownership. Let's not complicate things.

 

[C-Man 27779]

It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 
 
 

[Stilicho 1422]

1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 

 

 

There’s a long list of white Christian Nationalist grievances to see to first. 
 

Trans folk, secularists, and non-white elected officials are much more dangerous than a few kids and their parents getting gunned down at a shopping mall. 

[jimmyjazz 47199]

I continue to assume that "conservative" America will choose the opposite side of any issue espoused by moderates and progressives.  It simply doesn't matter if, in their heart, they agree . . . it's completely us VS them.

I don't believe for a minute every Republican has a gun fetish, that they don't see the rationale in higher minimum age for purchase, multi-day waiting periods, red flag laws, closed loopholes.  I don't believe it.  There are plenty who, in another world, would support some or most of those policies.  They won't support them in this environment because that would mean aligning with "them" and that's just not acceptable.

It's maddening, and there is nothing that can be done about it.

[Foosters 18280]

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I continue to assume that "conservative" America will choose the opposite side of any issue espoused by moderates and progressives.  It simply doesn't matter if, in their heart, they agree . . . it's completely us VS them.

"It's not guns, it's a mental health issue."

"Ok, let's increase funding to MH programs"

"NO THAT'S SOCIALISM"

[Fastbreak 4049]

“You can’t take my money to give others healthcare!”

What about when you need medical help?

“I’ll just declare bankruptcy!”

[Stilicho 1422]

31 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I continue to assume that "conservative" America will choose the opposite side of any issue espoused by moderates and progressives.  It simply doesn't matter if, in their heart, they agree . . . it's completely us VS them.

I don't believe for a minute every Republican has a gun fetish, that they don't see the rationale in higher minimum age for purchase, multi-day waiting periods, red flag laws, closed loopholes.  I don't believe it.  There are plenty who, in another world, would support some or most of those policies.  They won't support them in this environment because that would mean aligning with "them" and that's just not acceptable.

It's maddening, and there is nothing that can be done about it.

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

[YGIFS 19458]

6 minutes ago, Stilicho said:

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

How fucking dementedly true is that?

Every support group meeting starts with "How was your life or that of a loved one by cancer/rape/alcohol?" And that's how they get you to sign up/run for another 5K

But in the case of mass shootings, that's how they get you to sign up for another AR15.

[lemonlime 5503]

23 minutes ago, Stilicho said:

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

Desire to be part of the tribe won't evaporate.  That's not how cults work.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

 

 

[HamsterHookah 112]

13 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

Really close friend of mine owns Sammy’s BBQ in Dallas. Used to have about half employees that were Mexican and half who were Salvadoran. The two groups did not get along at all.

That's awesome. I loved that place when I lived in Dallas.

Also, aren't you anti-GOP? Surprised you'd be so close friends with someone so GOP. That place was like a mecca for conservative white men who office downtown. There were shrine-like photos of Dubya everywhere last time I was there, like 5 years ago. 

[HenryJames 67365]

57 minutes ago, Foosters said:

"It's not guns, it's a mental health issue."

"Ok, let's increase funding to MH programs"

"NO THAT'S SOCIALISM"

[Stilicho 1422]

22 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Desire to be part of the tribe won't evaporate.  That's not how cults work.

Fair point.

Whether they make up a significant % of "average" conservatives seems irrelevant now. They're the vanguard / spearhead of current conservative political ideology. It's their kill lists rising through the state legislatures. 

[C-Man 27779]

13 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

That's awesome. I loved that place when I lived in Dallas.

Also, aren't you anti-GOP? Surprised you'd be so close friends with someone so GOP. That place was like a mecca for conservative white men who office downtown. There were shrine-like photos of Dubya everywhere last time I was there, like 5 years ago. 

He and I have been friends for more than 20 years. He's about the least Highland Park-y HP grad I've ever met. Just a genuinely good dude.

I'm in there a lot. There's no "shrine" to W or any politician that I can recall. I think there's a signed pic from a politician or two after they visited. Sammy's was Stanley Marcus's favorite restaurant. And, yes, there's a lot of conservative white folks who roll through there, probably quite a few with politics I don't agree with. I'm also in the private client insurance business -- I'm under no pretense that many of my clients probably have some pretty horrific political ideas. Hell, if you'd asked me 10 years ago, I probably agreed with them on some of those things and then Captain Fuckstick came on the scene in 2015 and everything changed.

[GSU&UT 1799]

About to lose it, I need to get the fuck off social media and just work. The parents and three year old are dead, the five year old is alive.

 

 

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

There are some extremely morally bankrupt folks in the gun owners thread hiding behind constitutionality. Pieces of shit.