CDC letter

[Surly Bevo 24695]

And that is why we’re in the situations we find ourselves in. 
 
 

What are the concrete examples of wanting success in all sports being detrimental to football?

If anything the fact we want to be successful in all sports and are in a great many of them should make it easy as shit to do the gap analysis of “whats going on over here that isn’t happening with the football program?”

Let me clue you in. The University’s desire to be successful in all sports isn’t the problem. It’s that for a lot of dumbshit reasons we don’t run football the same way as many of those successful sports starting with how we hire the coaches. .

[Tex Pete 20165]

3 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

But revenues aren’t falling. By your own criteria, he’s not failing at football. 

If you are looking at "until now," you may be correct. Losing to Kansas will most likely cause some issues.

And my criteria is winning football games. So, that's incorrect.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

15 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

Are you seriously suggesting that you read “lack of depth” as a suggestion that depth behind the starter is the actual issue? That’s political talk for “we do not have good players”.  

We have better players than Kansas. 

[formermav43 4599]

2 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

If you are looking at "until now," you may be correct. Losing to Kansas will most likely cause some issues.

And my criteria is winning football games. So, that's incorrect.

Then why even bring up revenue?

The point is, these “arguments” all boil down to emoting about being bad at football. No one is happy about that. But when you try to contend the athletics department is failing at winning or losing money, they fall apart, because they’re simply not true.

[Surly Bevo 24695]

We have better players than Kansas. 

We have more athletically gifted players than Kansas.

Do we have better football players (athleticism+football IQ+desire)? Ehh maybe.

And ehh maybe will get you beat in a one and done even when far superior in one of the three components

[Tex Pete 20165]

1 minute ago, formermav43 said:

Then why even bring up revenue?

Because I was addressing Pancho's claim that winning sports programs was not the AD's job. Revenue is a big part. Winning is a part, especially in the sport that pays for all the others.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

7 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

What are the concrete examples of wanting success in all sports being detrimental to football?

If anything the fact we want to be successful in all sports and are in a great many of them should make it easy as shit to do the gap analysis of “whats going on over here that isn’t happening with the football program?”

Let me clue you in. The University’s desire to be successful in all sports isn’t the problem. It’s that for a lot of dumbshit reasons we don’t run football the same way as many of those successful sports starting with how we hire the coaches. .

Top 5 Directors Cup 2020-2021:

All are pretty fucking meh football programs currently. USC is 6th.

2018-2019 above, all fired coaches or will be firing coach soon except Stanford, who knows.

2017-2018 below

 

 

See a common theme? Most are average at best or bad in football.

 

Football for a team in Texas and a team looking to join the SEC should always be #1 priority and the other sports secondary.

 

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

We have more athletically gifted players than Kansas.

Do we have better football players (athleticism+football IQ+desire)? Ehh maybe.

And ehh maybe will get you beat in a one and done even when far superior in one of the three components

IT'S FUCKING KANSAS, GTFO HERE WITH THIS EXCUSE MAKING.

[formermav43 4599]

2 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Because I was addressing Pancho's claim that winning sports programs was not the AD's job. Revenue is a big part. Winning is a part, especially in the sport that pays for all the others.

That’s not at all what he said. It’s almost the opposite, in fact.

Edited November 17, 2021 by formermav43

[Tex Pete 20165]

2 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

That’s not at all what he said. It’s almost the opposite, in fact.

If you say so.1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

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Last I checked, I wasn't making 7 figures to see that all of Texas' sports are winners. He is failing at that part of his job, and people pulling down 7 figures really shouldn't be making excuses. 

 

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This is just fucking dumb, and you are being overly emotion. Stop with stupid ass takes that you know aren’t true.

If you say so.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Tex Pete

[Surly Bevo 24695]

Top 5 Directors Cup 2020-2021:

All are pretty fucking meh football programs currently. USC is 6th.

2018-2019 above, all fired coaches or will be firing coach soon except Stanford, who knows.
2017-2018 below

 
 
See a common theme? Most are average at best or bad in football.
 
Football for a team in Texas and a team looking to join the SEC should always be #1 priority and the other sports secondary.
 
 
 

Yea correlation always equals causation. Im sure when Florida was winning back to back football titles back to back basketball titles and playing in CWS finals all in like a 3-4 year span that it was because they were focused on football only.

See how that works.

Again give me something concrete you can point to where this is specifically the problem at our University or be fucking gone with this binary bullshit.

[formermav43 4599]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

If you say so.1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

 

If you say so.

I do. You’re reading that backwards, and your follow up conversation with him should have cleared up the confusion you have.

[Surly Bevo 24695]

IT'S FUCKING KANSAS, GTFO HERE WITH THIS EXCUSE MAKING.

There is no excuse there just the results on the field. I never said that some component (particularly the last two) were not in some ways the responsibly of this staff. And certainly next year they will own all three if they really have 33 nee players on the roster.

Honestly Sark isn’t going anywhere this season so throwing “its fucking Kansas” fits may have been fine last Saturday and Sunday but 5 days later be a fucking man and not some emotional bitch.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Yea correlation always equals causation. Im sure when Florida was winning back to back football titles back to back basketball titles and playing in CWS finals all in like a 3-4 year span that it was because they were focused on football only.

See how that works.

Again give me something concrete you can point to where this is specifically the problem at our University or be fucking gone with this binary bullshit.

It took Tom Herman coming in and laughing at our admin to upgrade our locker rooms from 2000 era. The fact we're not constantly upgrading our facilities to the latest and greatest in order to compete.

We are reactive instead of proactive. We haven't been the joneses and we sure as fuck don't act like it but we talk like we do. We're so fucking behind other college football elites it's not even funny.

[Tex Pete 20165]

4 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

I do. You’re reading that backwards, and your follow up conversation with him should have cleared up the confusion you have.

If you say so.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

2 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

There is no excuse there just the results on the field. I never said that some component (particularly the last two) were not in some ways the responsibly of this staff. And certainly next year they will own all three if they really have 33 nee players on the roster.

Honestly Sark isn’t going anywhere this season so throwing “its fucking Kansas” fits may have been fine last Saturday and Sunday but 5 days later be a fucking man and not some emotional bitch.

Yeah just make fucking excuses for losing to Kansas, at home no less to a fucking 3rd string QB, a guy who has never played a down before, and giving up 200 yards rushing. Oh he aint going anywhere so no reason to bitch is a complete fucking joke.

[Surly Bevo 24695]

It took Tom Herman coming in and laughing at our admin to upgrade our locker rooms from 2000 era. The fact we're not constantly upgrading our facilities to the latest and greatest in order to compete.
We are reactive instead of proactive. We haven't been the joneses and we sure as fuck don't act like it but we talk like we do. We're so fucking behind other college football elites it's not even funny.

And thet lack of football facilities upgrade was a direct result of our desire to be good in all sports? And you have proof of that?

[formermav43 4599]

So much emoting.

[Pam Cummings 9567]

2 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

So much emoting.

Emotional people make bad decisions.

[Pam Cummings 9567]

12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah just make fucking excuses for losing to Kansas, at home no less to a fucking 3rd string QB, a guy who has never played a down before, and giving up 200 yards rushing. Oh he aint going anywhere so no reason to bitch is a complete fucking joke.

72-60 is Texas record for the last 10 years coming into this year. We've lost to Kansas within the last 5. Tom came within an inch of his life playing with them 2 years ago. But you still actually have the arrogance to think you're above losing to them, ever? Like, buddy, look in the mirror.

Edited November 17, 2021 by Pam Cummings

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

72-60 is Texas record for the last 10 years coming into this year. We've lost to Kansas within the last 5. Tom came within an incj of his life playing with them 2 years ago. But you still actually have the arrogance to think you're above losing to them, ever? Like, buddy, look in the mirror.

Yes and we should as a program. I'm not going to accept losing to them and it will always and forever be a sin to lose to fucking Kansas. Any rationalizing of it is pure fucking retardation. It's a fireable offense, unfortunately we just hired this lame duck coach that we're stuck with for at least 2 more seasons after this one so he can't be fired. 

 

The worst coach in school history was fired for it. Will Sarkisian be able to pass Strong on that ranking?

Edited November 17, 2021 by BurntOrange&White

[Deej 76542]

This thread needs some help.

[David Dennison 18651]

42 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It took Tom Herman coming in and laughing at our admin to upgrade our locker rooms from 2000 era. The fact we're not constantly upgrading our facilities to the latest and greatest in order to compete.

We are reactive instead of proactive. We haven't been the joneses and we sure as fuck don't act like it but we talk like we do. We're so fucking behind other college football elites it's not even funny.

We're going to get a new practice facility. Relax.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

Just now, David Dennison said:

We're going to get a new practice facility. Relax.

Yeah after urban was like lol hahahahha

[David Dennison 18651]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Yeah after urban was like lol hahahahha

You'll see a lot of movement once the new arena opens in April.

[Landomatic 3813]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We have better players than Kansas. 

 

1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

We have more athletically gifted players than Kansas.

Do we have better football players (athleticism+football IQ+desire)? Ehh maybe.

And ehh maybe will get you beat in a one and done even when far superior in one of the three components

Are you fucking serious? Maybe I'm misreading your post, but we have better fucking players than fucking Kansas. Period. End of story. We also have more poorly coached players than Kansas too. Excuse making, no accountability, point the finger, entitled mentality like that is part of the problem. Gee wiz, these poor kids might be more athletically gifted across the board than Kansas, but you can't expect them to have more desire and be smarter than Kansas. We've just had too much attrition for that, which isn't anybody's fault. GTFO of here with that shit.

[BurntOrange&White 39612]

Just now, Landomatic said:

 

Are you fucking serious? Maybe I'm misreading your post, but we have better fucking players than fucking Kansas. Period. End of story. We also have more poorly coached players than Kansas too. Excuse making, no accountability, point the finger, entitled mentality like that is part of the problem. Gee wiz, these poor kids might be more athletically gifted across the board than Kansas, but you can't expect them to have more desire and be smarter than Kansas. We've just had too much attrition for that, which isn't anybody's fault. GTFO of here with that shit.

Kansas had more attrition 

[Pancho 44454]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And that is why we’re in the situations we find ourselves in. 
 

 

No it isn’t.

 

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Except that, again, football is the revenue driver for the whole department, by a long shot. Failing at football is failing at the job, however we want to parse who makes the football hires. 

The department isn’t losing money. How are you not comprehending this?

[sheeeit 129]

3 hours ago, Codaxx said:

What do you think the coaches are selling recruits? This is literally the same pitch. This statement is for recruiting. It serves no other purpose. If you dont believe that, why dont you tell me why he put out the letter. 

I actually think that if this statement was put out specifically for recruiting then it is an even dumber thing to do.  Who are we kidding?  Recruits are 17.  They know the Head Coach and the coach specifically recruiting them.  95% have no idea who the AD is.  You think they know the AD at OU, A&M, Alabama etc.  No chance.

The negative recruiting with this is also really easy.  Any outside coach/recruiter will ask a current recruit why they would want to go to a program where the admin has to make excuses for the poor performance on the field.  They will ask a recruit why so many highly rated and talented players that signed with Texas are no longer on the team.  Other coaches will rightly call it a train wreck and that Sark will get fired soon enough just like their last few coaches.  The elite and confident players needed to win  already expect to get playing time wherever they go.  They want to be developed.  

CDC is getting barraged with calls/texts/emails/tweets etc on what is wrong with Texas and what Is wrong with Sark.  He is tired of answering the same question over and over and over.  He put out a letter so people will stop contacting him.  He will just refer them to the letter.  

[bad_teammate 13132]

Surly's dream Athletic Department would just be men in suits screaming "WE LOST TO KANSAS!" at each other for 8+ hours a day.

Sounds like a fun gig, honestly.

Edited November 17, 2021 by bad_teammate

[C-Man 27041]

2 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

What are the concrete examples of wanting success in all sports being detrimental to football?

If anything the fact we want to be successful in all sports and are in a great many of them should make it easy as shit to do the gap analysis of “whats going on over here that isn’t happening with the football program?”

Let me clue you in. The University’s desire to be successful in all sports isn’t the problem. It’s that for a lot of dumbshit reasons we don’t run football the same way as many of those successful sports starting with how we hire the coaches. .

Or running an elite college football program in 2021 is light-years different than having a national title-caliber swimming or softball team.

[David Dennison 18651]

If you really want to make a difference as a member of the peasantry, STOP SPENDING MONEY ON TEXAS FOOTBALL. Don't buy tickets, don't go to games, don't watch it on TV, don't buy gear. If enough commoners do this, it might make a difference. 

 

[runthebone 7932]

Yes, the roster sucks now, but with the recruiting class Sark is getting this season, that won't be an excuse in the future!

[Tex Pete 20165]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

No it isn’t.

 

The department isn’t losing money. How are you not comprehending this?

Who said it was? Where are some of you people coming up with this shit?