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12 hours ago, SwanderedTalent said:

They have no concept of fiduciary responsibility with respect to the state. It's all one big piggy bank they're entitled to dip into whenever they need it and for whatever reason. Times are a little tight because they've increased their enrollment by 33% in a decade and spent half a billion dollars to upgrade their fucking football stadium, so the solution there is obviously to rely on the state and its taxpayers to foot the bill. 

Given the political loyalties of the majority of Aggies, it's pretty ironic. There is nothing wrong with being in favor of limited government and low taxation, but it is hypocritical in the extreme to apply that standard only to government spending that doesn't end up in your pocket. 

Siap,  but you would have to define and explain both "fiduciary" and "responsibility" to them.

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Why would it? The academic side is an afterthought to Aggies. The priorities are a) football program (focusing on how much their coach is paid and how high their recruiting class is ranked), b) their alumni association, c) everything else tied for last
Who gives a shit what Utah State thinks is an afterthought aggy boy.
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On 2/12/2019 at 7:32 PM, Valmy77 said:

I know. It is weird it is just another state agency. It doesn't grant degrees or anything. I thought maybe they teach some classes as part of the A&M ag program...but no. They are just a forest service. So yeah it makes no sense.

Even on the website explaining why they are part of the Texas A&M system the only explanation is that they are headquartered in College Station. But it is not like we got to name every agency headquartered in Austin after UT. "The Texas Longhorn Railroad Commission"

they provide extension education and they conduct research related to the forestry industry

it is pretty much the same setup in every state with the exception of a couple.....in New York (a place with a crazy higher ed system like Texas has) Cornell (a mostly private school with some public components) is the land grant university of the state, but SUNY ESF is the forestry land grant school and it is a full public university, but it is next to and tied to Syracuse)

and in one other north east state (Maine or Connecticut too lazy to look up which one) 100% of their land grant agencies are just regular state agencies not tied to a university of any type

in pretty much every other state (with any type of forestry activity) the forestry agency is tied to the land grant university just like ag research and ag extension is

UT has The Bureau of Economic Geology which would probably be at aggy if it was not for UTIMCO and the fact that UT Lands has so much oil and gas, but they are basically the state oil and gas and energy research agency
 

On 2/12/2019 at 7:12 PM, jebusshuttlecock said:

who could have predicted a 33% increase in students might have some adverse effects

this is 100% the fault of john "bad bull" not-so-sharp who is too fucking stupid to understand how higher education is funded in Texas

there are two main formulas I&O (Instruction and Operation) that pays for teachers and administrators and staff and Infrastructure that pays for buildings and classrooms and labs

each of those formulas is based around enrollment, but they are also based around enrollment in different types of degree plans and in classifications of the students (undergrad, masters, PhD, professional)

they "normalize" Liberal Arts to a 1 because those are the least expensive programs to run both in terms of faculty hiring and classroom and lab needs and it goes up from there with natural sciences being something like a 5 and business an 8 and nursing and engineering a 10 and vet and pharmacy programs a 15 (they are expensive to run)........those "factors" are not exact I am too lazy to look them up, but that is about how the break down goes

then of course higher funding for masters over undergrad and PhDs over masters

so if you have 100 liberal arts undergrad students you get say $100(1)(X) (x being undergrad) per student and natural sciences 100(5)(X) and perhaps 100 business masters students then 100(8)(Y) (Y being masters) and 100 engineering PhD students 100(10)(Z) (Z being PhD)

so if you are a university run by a shit for brains and you toss open the doors for more students and you go from a university with a high ratio of engineering and business students and a low (but still significant) graduate enrollment and suddenly you have a higher % of undergrad liberal arts and social science undergrads and your % of grad students relative to undergrads decreases well your fucking formula funding goes in the toilet especially relative to a university with a much higher graduate enrollment and a university that has not allowed their undergrad soft and social science and liberal arts enrollment to outpace the rest of the university

the idiot not-so-sharp basically had to admit his lack of understanding of this to the legislature a couple of years back with (I believe) McRaven and Renu K sitting there next to his dumb ass

not to mention with UT Austin, aggy collie station and PVAMU being the only universities to get "excellence funding" from the PUF and that funding being NOT based on enrollment or formulas, but still looked at as state funding....well for every student you add in any degree program at any classification you are allocating the same amount of PUF excellence funding (growing with investment growth over time obviously) to a larger number of total students

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9 hours ago, ButtFumble said:

they provide extension education and they conduct research related to the forestry industry

it is pretty much the same setup in every state with the exception of a couple.....in New York (a place with a crazy higher ed system like Texas has) Cornell (a mostly private school with some public components) is the land grant university of the state, but SUNY ESF is the forestry land grant school and it is a full public university, but it is next to and tied to Syracuse)

and in one other north east state (Maine or Connecticut too lazy to look up which one) 100% of their land grant agencies are just regular state agencies not tied to a university of any type

in pretty much every other state (with any type of forestry activity) the forestry agency is tied to the land grant university just like ag research and ag extension is

UT has The Bureau of Economic Geology which would probably be at aggy if it was not for UTIMCO and the fact that UT Lands has so much oil and gas, but they are basically the state oil and gas and energy research agenc

Odd. The Texas A&M Forestry Service itself says only four other states: Colorado, Kansas, Nebraska, and North Dakota have a similar set up: https://tfsweb.tamu.edu/AboutTFS/

But fair enough. 

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In any case, regardless of my annoyance at the State Agency thing, I think it is important to remember that A&M and Texas share the same mission. We should hope that this Branch of the University of Texas system gets the resources they need to help Texas continue to have an educated work force. We are certainly doing our part by investing heavily in our other campuses (like UTRGV) because we cannot fit very many more people on the Austin campus. Obviously College Station has no such issues, they can fit all the ugly beige buildings they need.

I won't say it is a great look when you just spent $75 million on a football coach though. I would wager that point has been brought up in the Legislature.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

In any case, regardless of my annoyance at the State Agency thing, I think it is important to remember that A&M and Texas share the same mission. We should hope that this Branch of the University of Texas system gets the resources they need to help Texas continue to have an educated work force. We are certainly doing our part by investing heavily in our other campuses (like UTRGV) because we cannot fit very many more people on the Austin campus. Obviously College Station has no such issues, they can fit all the ugly beige buildings they need.

I won't say it is a great look when you just spent $75 million on a football coach though. I would wager that point has been brought up in the Legislature.

A&M and UT share a similar mission, but not the same mission. There is a reason UT Austin receives twice the public funding per student as compared to TAMU College Station. Annually, UT receives about $1.3B more that A&M, even though the number of students at A&M is about 15,000 higher. If the missions were identical, the two schools would be given similar resources.

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6 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

A&M and UT share a similar mission, but not the same mission. There is a reason UT Austin receives twice the public funding per student as compared to TAMU College Station. Annually, UT receives about $1.3B more that A&M, even though the number of students at A&M is about 15,000 higher. If the missions were identical, the two schools would be given similar resources.

Fair enough. We have related and complementary missions.

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A&M and UT share a similar mission, but not the same mission. There is a reason UT Austin receives twice the public funding per student as compared to TAMU College Station. Annually, UT receives about $1.3B more that A&M, even though the number of students at A&M is about 15,000 higher. If the missions were identical, the two schools would be given similar resources.
Uh since aggy IS in fact a department of The University would not they share the same mission by definition?

The University of Texas has the main mission and its wholly owned subsidiary department of aggy has a minor ancilliary mission of brainwashing rubes and morons for the comicial entertainment of their betters. And to gobble as many dicks as possible to keep them out of the mouths of OU.

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39 minutes ago, MrPhlegm said:

Uh since aggy IS in fact a department of The University would not they share the same mission by definition?

The University of Texas has the main mission and its wholly owned subsidiary department of aggy has a minor ancilliary mission of brainwashing rubes and morons for the comicial entertainment of their betters. And to gobble as many dicks as possible to keep them out of the mouths of OU.

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I unfortunately ventured over to TexAgs and this is what they have posted on the front page....Chin Pubes is really butt hurt

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Uh since aggy IS in fact a department of The University would not they share the same mission by definition?

The University of Texas has the main mission and its wholly owned subsidiary department of aggy has a minor ancilliary mission of brainwashing rubes and morons for the comicial entertainment of their betters. And to gobble as many dicks as possible to keep them out of the mouths of OU.

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1 hour ago, MrPhlegm said:

Uh since aggy IS in fact a department of The University would not they share the same mission by definition?

The University of Texas has the main mission and its wholly owned subsidiary department of aggy has a minor ancilliary mission of brainwashing rubes and morons for the comicial entertainment of their betters. And to gobble as many dicks as possible to keep them out of the mouths of OU.

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"brainwashing rubes and morons" costs very little.

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3 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

OOPS

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-football/redass-picture-for-aggie-pull-out-day/82019416/

Why do I think it may be a covert Surlian?

I don't think USC and LSU fans need to be assumed to be covertly Surlian. Those fanbases would talk shit to their own mothers for supporting a different team. 

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From aggy's mission statement:

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...Texas A&M University seeks to assume a place of preeminence among public universities while respecting its history and traditions.

From Texas':

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...The university provides superior and comprehensive educational opportunities at the baccalaureate through doctoral and special professional educational levels...

What starts here changes the world. They may still be seeking for a while, but they may get to assume some day.

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3 hours ago, MrPhlegm said:

Oh lord,

https://www.goodbullhunting.com/platform/amp/2019/2/14/18224705/texas-am-aggie-valentines-to-texas-longhorns-rivalry

Rent free

Ok some of those were pretty clever. The problem with Good Bull Hunting is they are not really cultish enough to be that entertaining for a Texas fan. They have too much self-awareness. So there is really no reason to visit them unless you actually care about A&M sports coverage.

For those reasons I would bet they are not very popular among A&M fans who prefer the more Jonestown atmosphere over at TexAgs.

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