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1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

The more they diploma mill, the less weirdos and dipshits will attend school, who’ll water down their culture, and it will continue to snowball. Eventually they’ll just be Texas Tech but with Shittier academics.

They will never be as nice as Tech.  Hell, CS will never be as nice as Lubbock either.

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53 minutes ago, Leanderman said:

Watch them back out of the Colorado game next year and schedule a powerhouse like The University of Maine Black Bears.

They backed out of the Oregon game and chose Clemson.  What is funny about that, was they thought they were getting an easier schedule.  Clemson was by far not a bad team at the time of the change (around 2013 IIRC) but they were still absolutely "Clemsoning" during that time. Meanwhile, Oregon was finishing top 4 every year and hanging 50 on everybody. 

So every time I see or read "but we scheduled Clemson", I laugh. 

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On Sunday, i was worried that skynet was becoming self-aware.  Thank god they are back to normal.

The major university to their west (Texas), to their east (LSU) and to their north (OU) all are similar on paper (there is no major university to the south of them), yet aggy badly trails behind the accomplishments off all three in all three major NCAA sports. Any reasonable person seeking to alter the trajectory of A&M athletics would recognize there was something about A&M that was holding them back and that some aspect of change was mandatory for A&M to overcome their failures.

Thankfully for us, the aggy culture does not allow for careful, honest assessment of any situation.

Remember, Texas, Okie Lite and even West Virginia have more NCAA championships in just one sport than aggy has in school history. U of H has more NCAA team championships than A&M. UTEP has more NCAA individual champions than A&M. Yet, aggys refuse to accept there is something about their school and their culture that impedes success for aggys. And not just in athletic competition.

Extremely bad leadership is, and has been, the problem at A&M. Earl Rudder had to fight to make changes that if not implemented would have meant the death of their school. No leader since Rudder has been able to make substantive changes their school has badly needed for decades. Instead, they get idiots like Sharp and Perry.

A&M sucks because the school is lead by aggys. aggys make atrocious leaders.

And thankfully for those of us who enjoy laughing at aggy futility, A&M will never make the changes they so desperately need.

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4 minutes ago, Pogo said:

Holy shit, it really puts things into perspective when you put it so succinctly.

You want perspective? TTU was created partially because high plains folks hate, hate, A&M utterly and completely.  The original charter for a public research university in West Texas was scripted to be a branch campus of A&M, which the locals fought against tenaciously - even going so far as to having a petition started to have the region secede from the state to force the issue.

The only compromise acceptable to the West Texas people was a new school under a new endowment, which was accepted in 1923.

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The major university to their west (Texas), to their east (LSU) and to their north (OU) all are similar on paper (there is no major university to the south of them), yet aggy badly trails behind the accomplishments off all three in all three major NCAA sports. Any reasonable person seeking to alter the trajectory of A&M athletics would recognize there was something about A&M that was holding them back and that some aspect of change was mandatory for A&M to overcome their failures.
Thankfully for us, the aggy culture does not allow for careful, honest assessment of any situation.
Remember, Texas, Okie Lite and even West Virginia have more NCAA championships in just one sport than aggy has in school history. U of H has more NCAA team championships than A&M. UTEP has more NCAA individual champions than A&M. Yet, aggys refuse to accept there is something about their school and their culture that impedes success for aggys. And not just in athletic competition.
Extremely bad leadership is, and has been, the problem at A&M. Earl Rudder had to fight to make changes that if not implemented would have meant the death of their school. No leader since Rudder has been able to make substantive changes their school has badly needed for decades. Instead, they get idiots like Sharp and Perry.
A&M sucks because the school is lead by aggys. aggys make atrocious leaders.
And thankfully for those of us who enjoy laughing at aggy futility, A&M will never make the changes they so desperately need.


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50 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

The major university to their west (Texas), to their east (LSU) and to their north (OU) all are similar on paper (there is no major university to the south of them), yet aggy badly trails behind the accomplishments off all three in all three major NCAA sports. Any reasonable person seeking to alter the trajectory of A&M athletics would recognize there was something about A&M that was holding them back and that some aspect of change was mandatory for A&M to overcome their failures.

Thankfully for us, the aggy culture does not allow for careful, honest assessment of any situation.

Remember, Texas, Okie Lite and even West Virginia have more NCAA championships in just one sport than aggy has in school history. U of H has more NCAA team championships than A&M. UTEP has more NCAA individual champions than A&M. Yet, aggys refuse to accept there is something about their school and their culture that impedes success for aggys. And not just in athletic competition.

Extremely bad leadership is, and has been, the problem at A&M. Earl Rudder had to fight to make changes that if not implemented would have meant the death of their school. No leader since Rudder has been able to make substantive changes their school has badly needed for decades. Instead, they get idiots like Sharp and Perry.

A&M sucks because the school is lead by aggys. aggys make atrocious leaders.

And thankfully for those of us who enjoy laughing at aggy futility, A&M will never make the changes they so desperately need.

Texas is number 3 in all time CFB wins

Oklahoma is number 8 in all time CFB wins

LSU is number 13 in all time CFB wins

aggy is number 24, but their numbers are bolstered by their NCAA infraction fueled ways during the Jackie and RC days in the 80's and 90's. Aggy is 3rd on the list in the number of times NCAA football teams have received NCAA probation behind only SMU and USC. If aggy played it straight, or if we vacated their wins during those periods they would fall to below 50. 

 

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In the early 1920s, USC stated incorporating male "yell leaders" into the school's football game day activities. By the late 1960s (1967, to be precise), the USC AD realized the student culture was changing, so they created the USC Song Girls (they are adamant they are not cheerleaders, sound familiar?). Soon they got rid of their male yell leaders. By changing with the students, the USC AD changed college football.

aggys don't refuse to change because they love tradition. They refuse to change because aggys as a culture lack creativity and imagination.

West Virginia has more NCAA team championships in just one sport than A&M has in school history. That one sport is NCAA competitive shooting. A sport A&M in which A&M is afraid to even field a team. How can aggys, who claim to be a great military school, be afraid to compete for a NCAA national championship in competitive shooting? That in itself exemplifies the cluelessness of A&M's athletics "leadership."

A&M will never find success in major NCAA athletics until and unless they bring someone from the outside in to completely restructure and revolutionize A&M athletics. And that will never happen, because aggys can't imagine what their school's true potential is.

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3 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

A&M will never find success in major NCAA athletics until and unless they bring someone from the outside in to completely restructure and revolutionize A&M athletics. And that will never happen, because aggys can't imagine what their school's true potential is.

It could happen, but they would push him out within 3 years for not "getting aggy"

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1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

The major university to their west (Texas), to their east (LSU) and to their north (OU) all are similar on paper (there is no major university to the south of them), yet aggy badly trails behind the accomplishments off all three in all three major NCAA sports.

I dunno, if they were to field NCAA sports teams, I'm pretty sure Universidade de São Paulo would wax aggy just like the other major powers.

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1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

The major university to their west (Texas), to their east (LSU) and to their north (OU) all are similar on paper (there is no major university to the south of them), yet aggy badly trails behind the accomplishments off all three in all three major NCAA sports.

Hey, Texas A&I has a much more illustrious football history and a bunch of football championships.  

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2 hours ago, Grippe said:

You want perspective? TTU was created partially because high plains folks hate, hate, A&M utterly and completely.  The original charter for a public research university in West Texas was scripted to be a branch campus of A&M, which the locals fought against tenaciously - even going so far as to having a petition started to have the region secede from the state to force the issue.

The only compromise acceptable to the West Texas people was a new school under a new endowment, which was accepted in 1923.

West Texas. Still has some of that frontier spirit. "Naw, we've no need of East Texas yokels. We're just fine out here, thank you very much. Just go ahead and take that fake army uniform, get on your horse, and ride the hell out of here."

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40 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Please let the football God facilitate a shitty weed-eater bowl game between the ags and Michigan.  Battle of the two most overrated coaching hires in current P5 history battling it out.  

I would have taken Harbaugh. It just isn't working out for him like it did at Stanford where he created quite an engine. He'd gone to the Super Bowl just before going to Michigan. Recent performance indicated a good hire although it's always a crap shoot.

Jimbo was on the verge of being tarred and feathered at FSU. Things are going predictably with him based on recent performance. With A&M, it's always crap.

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As chance has it, I just finished reading an essay on "The Myth of Heroism."

As we all know, aggy culture is heavily dependent on finding their "next hero who will deliver them to the promised land!"

The essay touches on how those who believe heavily in hero worship misunderstand the basis of human progress and misunderstand what actually drives positive change.

"Don't care, got Jimbo!" lol.

Sure, aggy. Sure thing. Call me when Jimbo delivers you idiots to the promised land.

aggy will never win a NCAA national championship in a major sport because aggy culture doesn't understand what holds aggy back is aggy culture.

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...history and human progress are driven far more by ordinary people doing sometimes extraordinary things than by special people with a unique destiny. Secondly, and very importantly, we should be very wary of stories and ways of thinking that suggest that we, the mass of people, can only be saved or elevated by special chosen ones, heroic figures who will slay the dragons and lead the people to the promised land. This is potentially a very dangerous and risky way of thinking and it misunderstands why things actually do get better. 

Finally, we should recall that the end of endeavor is the preservation and improvement of everyday and ordinary life and that this is achieved not only by the heroic, the unusual or elevated actions that people both ordinary and unusual may perform, but by the performance of simple quotidian tasks and everyday duties as well as private and personal acts of kindness and compassion. 

https://www.aier.org/article/myth-heroism

 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

West Texas. Still has some of that frontier spirit. "Naw, we've no need of East Texas yokels. We're just fine out here, thank you very much. Just go ahead and take that fake army uniform, get on your horse, and ride the hell out of here."

Tech is a chippy school and even though their fanbase is a bunch of vagrants they are generally fun to have in the conference. God bless them for giving us a decade of Mike Leach. 

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16 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

This is some stroooooong shit, man:

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3062438

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It's Nebraska. What the **** else are they going to do?

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What the **** else are you going to do in CS that you can't do in Lincoln?

 

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I know A&M has propped up the "best fans" myth for a long time, but it's always been a farce.

But more to the point, college football is an entertainment industry. If you're not entertained, why would you stand in the concrete+heat to be more unentertained?

 

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Let's say you pay a lot of money to go to a concert (we'll use $100 per person, just for illustrative purposes) and this concert happens to be where you stand in the sun, on the concrete, to watch it. You go to the concert because you've been told that Metallica, Willie Nelson, Neil Diamond, and Chuck Berry are all going to play. When you get to the concert, however, none of those singers are there - it's just Rebecca Black singing "It's Friday" on repeat for 4 hours. You've given up your money and your day to be entertained by something that doesn't entertain you. Would you stay until the end - all the way through the curtain call - just because... because?

 

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It's not the 'culture'.  Or the fans.  Or any of that shit.  With the right coach, sure, they "could" win.  Problem is, you either strike gold with a young Patterson/Riley-type coach or you wait.  They're a tier-2 state school.  They're not "Texas".  They're Texas "A&M".  

Ga Tech is not Georgia.  MSU is not "Michigan"  

Ags aren't going to win another any time sooner than any of the other secondary state schools.  Clemson "might" give these fatty-B-teamer-cheer-squad schools some hope, but not much.  FSU is the other example.  They are FEW and FAR BETWEEN.  You damn sure don't money-whip a coach on the tail-end of his career.  As with Slocum, they have to be cultivated at these schools.  Saban probably could do wonders there - but his ass isn't headed down there and they fucking know it.  

So when Jimbo fails, and he will.  They are going to have to do a lot of soul-searching and figure out a way to really put in the time/effort and "hit" on a young coach, then figure out a way to keep him if he starts to succeed (good luck with that).

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Let's say you pay a lot of money to go to a concert (we'll use $100 per person, just for illustrative purposes) and this concert happens to be where you stand in the sun, on the concrete, to watch it. You go to the concert because you've been told that Metallica, Willie Nelson, Neil Diamond, and Chuck Berry are all going to play. When you get to the concert, however, none of those singers are there - it's just Rebecca Black singing "It's Friday" on repeat for 4 hours. You've given up your money and your day to be entertained by something that doesn't entertain you. Would you stay until the end - all the way through the curtain call - just because... because?

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2 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

So in your estimation, why haven't they won yet? Why haven't they found the right coach? Are they just unlucky? :(

For the same reason MSU hasn't won.  Or Texas Tech.  Or Mississippi State.  Or Georgia Tech.  Or AZ State.  Ok State.  Etc.  They can't hit on top talent and top coaching at the same time.  

All these Tier II schools that are so close....but so far away.    If Gundy stays @ OSU, I'd bet every nickle to my name they win a title before the ags do.  100%  Both are secondary in the state to their larger flagship schools.  Both recruit 'well'.  Ags recruit better.  OSU develops/maximizes talent much better.  But Gundy is a superior coach grown organically from within the school, and less likely to take a bigger payout at some random school he's really not affiliated with.  Ags don't even have that.  They ran out the best they had (Slocum) and still haven't figured out money-whipping has-beens isn't going to work.  Nor do they realize they are not a destination school for a top coach....so keeping a hot, young coach is equally tough.

So their "culture" is one of being the little brother.  Nor is this limited to College Station.  It's across the nation at all this second-tier football schools.  

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5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

For the same reason MSU hasn't won.  Or Texas Tech.  Or Mississippi State.  Or Georgia Tech.  Or AZ State.  Ok State.  Etc.  They can't hit on top talent and top coaching at the same time.  

All these Tier II schools that are so close....but so far away.    If Gundy stays @ OSU, I'd bet every nickle to my name they win a title before the ags do.  100%  Both are secondary in the state to their larger flagship schools.  Both recruit 'well'.  Ags recruit better.  OSU develops/maximizes talent much better.  But Gundy is a superior coach grown organically from within the school, and less likely to take a bigger payout at some random school he's really not affiliated with.  Ags don't even have that.  They ran out the best they had (Slocum) and still haven't figured out money-whipping has-beens isn't going to work.  Nor do they realize they are not a destination school for a top coach....so keeping a hot, young coach is equally tough.

So their "culture" is one of being the little brother.  Nor is this limited to College Station.  It's across the nation at all this second-tier football schools.  

OSU does not recruit "well". Only twice have they even broken the top 30 of the rankings this decade.

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It is the hot mess of a college sitting in a town that looks it is in East Berlin before the wall came down, it is the fact of telling a lie enough times that idiots believe it, the rampant homosexuality hidden behind the cow shit stained overall's, the university that paints co second place champs on their stadium, the meat judging, the girl hating male cheerleaders, why would any coach take that job? answer MONEY AND EGO.

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6 minutes ago, Machinator said:

OSU does not recruit "well". Only twice have they even broken the top 30 of the rankings this decade.

Fair enough.  They are "decent".  Better than many.  Definitely not a national player.  Doubly impressive in how they perform and develop their players who are not always the most highly ranked.  

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OSU does not recruit "well". Only twice have they even broken the top 30 of the rankings this decade.

Fair enough.  They are "decent".  Better than many.  Definitely not a national player.  Doubly impressive in how they perform and develop their players who are not always the most highly ranked.  

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38 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

For the same reason MSU hasn't won.  Or Texas Tech.  Or Mississippi State.  Or Georgia Tech.  Or AZ State.  Ok State.  Etc.  They can't hit on top talent and top coaching at the same time.  

All these Tier II schools that are so close....but so far away.    If Gundy stays @ OSU, I'd bet every nickle to my name they win a title before the ags do.  100%  Both are secondary in the state to their larger flagship schools.  Both recruit 'well'.  Ags recruit better.  OSU develops/maximizes talent much better.  But Gundy is a superior coach grown organically from within the school, and less likely to take a bigger payout at some random school he's really not affiliated with.  Ags don't even have that.  They ran out the best they had (Slocum) and still haven't figured out money-whipping has-beens isn't going to work.  Nor do they realize they are not a destination school for a top coach....so keeping a hot, young coach is equally tough.

So their "culture" is one of being the little brother.  Nor is this limited to College Station.  It's across the nation at all this second-tier football schools.  

Question - is there any Ag former football player who is a currently successful coach?

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Question - is there any Ag former football player who is a currently successful coach?

Jerrod Johnson.  Guy's done well for himself.  

*"Successful" remains to be seen.  He seems he will have a decent future in the coaching ranks (with Colts now).

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You look at Texas or Ohio State and they celebrate their greatness and even fabricated greatness with a monumental trophy room, etc. they also have the good fortune to have a wonderful history of greatness.  

That is such an Aggie way of looking at things. "The programs on the level we aspire to are just lucky that they're great, and it's fabricated anyway!" 
Yes, that's the problem, you guys are just unlucky. Poor unlucky Aggies! Why can't you be lucky like Texas, which over thirteen decades is one of the five winningest programs in college football? MAN we have been lucky for a long time.
Maybe their luck will change for the NEXT 130 years.
The fact is this: A&M has been the program it always wanted to be for exactly one four-year period, 1991-1994. That came on the back of nearly ten years of huge cheating on their part, facilitated by one of the dirtiest coaches in college football history and for which they'd nearly get the death penalty. It also came during an era where the SWC had devolved to C-USA level play because of widespread NCAA probation and out-of-state talent flight. There were bumps surrounding those four years-- the build-up under Sherrill in the late 80s and the gradual comedown under Slocum in the mid-90s-- but it all came from A&M cheating its ass off against a conference full of depleted programs and peaking with them dominating the SWC for four years once the talent built up to a critical mass. Not even A&M could fuck up the talent advantage they enjoyed briefly in the early 90s. 
Of course, that wasn't enough to get them over the hump nationally. Not even close. They didn't realize they'd already peaked heading into 1995 and the beginning of the comedown was spectacularly enjoyable, culminating on December 2, 1995, one of the best days EVER to be a Longhorn. 
I feel like I'm beating a dead sheep, but I'll say it one more time: if A&M isn't winning as much as it wants to, that means either that it's not cheating enough or that cheating ISN'T enough to attract an entire roster full of elite players like they had in 1993. 


you aggy did not have "elite players" in 1993 or any other year

poooor swanny aggy

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21 hours ago, Beau Vine said:
This is some stroooooong shit, man:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3062438

Half of those replying to that thread that actually went to the game left early as well.

Well, it was too hot...and we weren't playing good, so we left...and just ran out of time...12th man, 12th man!  BS

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Per the DMN

Sam Houston State, McNeese State added to Texas A&M's future football schedules

A&M will open its 2022 season against local foe Sam Houston State and the Aggies will face McNeese State in 2024. Both games will be played at Kyle Field in College Station.

SHSU should have held out for a 2 for 1

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I would have taken Harbaugh. It just isn't working out for him like it did at Stanford where he created quite an engine. He'd gone to the Super Bowl just before going to Michigan. Recent performance indicated a good hire although it's always a crap shoot.
Jimbo was on the verge of being tarred and feathered at FSU. Things are going predictably with him based on recent performance. With A&M, it's always crap.
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6 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I would have taken Harbaugh. It just isn't working out for him like it did at Stanford where he created quite an engine. He'd gone to the Super Bowl just before going to Michigan. Recent performance indicated a good hire although it's always a crap shoot.

Jimbo was on the verge of being tarred and feathered at FSU. Things are going predictably with him based on recent performance. With A&M, it's always crap.

So, aggy threw him a life-line, rescued his ass, AND gave him $75M.  Who could ever have predicted how this down-and-out coach would have repaid aggy? 

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