Tell Me About Texas a&m

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

9 hours ago, MrBig said:

I could see Lane at aggy. He is going to talk shit about Texas, so he might as well do it at aggy and get paid more. I think it would be even more fun to hate on them if Kiffin was the coach. A Sark vs Kiffin rivalry would make it more entertaining since they always suck.

Aren’t sark and kiffin buddies?  They were both at usc and then Bama together.  
 

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16 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Aren’t sark and kiffin buddies?  They were both at usc and then Bama together.  
 

Yeah....I think sark and kiffin get along. Was just going to post this after catching up on this thread. 

[Pimphand 5853]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

It’s November 24, two weeks after they paid $78M for the pleasure of firing Jimbo, and aggy doesn’t have a single clue who they’ll hire.

This is why the ags will forever be a middling program. They should have gotten the regents approval to remove Bilbo after their pull my yang weedeater bowl appearance. That way Bilbo can keep the early NSD class together and you have ample time to interview candidates who have obligations into early January.

Instead like usual they took the torch to their leverage and now are going to have to settle for a lesser candidate or keep quiet past early NSD if they are trying to pick someone CFP affiliated.

[Beau Vine 54382]

Athletic:

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COLLEGE STATION, Texas — After the final game of the 2022 season, Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher spoke with an air of validation.

The Aggies had just defeated No. 5 LSU by 15 points. Never mind that the win completed a 5-7 record, Fisher’s worst as a head coach, or that his uber-talented, preseason top-10 team failed to make a bowl game.

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Leaning slightly forward with his arms crossed, Fisher sounded like a man convinced, even in the face of his program’s immense struggles.

“There’s nothing wrong with what we’re doing,” Fisher said.

The comment caused a brief panic among fans, and even some in Texas A&M’s administration, who felt Fisher needed to adapt to the rapidly evolving college football landscape for the Aggies to unlock their potential.

On the surface, he did. But behind the scenes, many things stayed the same. Nobody could make Fisher change, two athletic department staffers said. He wanted to do things his way and dug in his heels. Armed with a massive contract and a buyout more than triple the previous largest in college football history, he felt unfireable. But less than a year later, on Nov. 12, A&M did what some considered unthinkable given the $77 million it still owed Fisher and fired him. (And the athletic department will foot the bill; program sources told The Athletic multiple times in the past year that if Fisher were fired, donors wouldn’t be the ones paying the buyout. The 12th Man Foundation, the athletic department’s primary fundraising arm, will pay for an initial one-time payment of $19 million, and the athletic department will fund annual payments of more than $7 million, athletic director Ross Bjork confirmed the Sunday that Fisher was fired.)

The offensive guru, one of five active coaches to have won a national championship, was lured away from Florida State at eye-watering cost because he was the man the Aggies deemed capable of meeting their own lofty ambitions.

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But X’s and O’s are only part of a head coach’s duties. Coaches are responsible for an organization that includes 120 players, 10 on-field assistant coaches and dozens of staff members across operations, recruiting and personnel, scouting, administration, player development and academics.

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Fisher loved the schematics. But as the sport evolved and roster management became paramount with the advent of the transfer portal and one-time transfer rule, Fisher’s emphasis on an underperforming offense and failure to adapt to growing organizational needs created a disjointed and, at times, chaotic atmosphere.

“There isn’t that clear vision,” said a current team staffer, who was granted anonymity, along with more than a dozen others within or close to the Texas A&M program, so they could speak candidly. “What’s our messaging? What’s our vision? How do we sell it? What’s our program about? Everybody here just does their own thing.”

After a 45-22 record in six seasons and no championships to speak of, why did it all go wrong? Why, with every other ingredient an elite program needs, couldn’t Fisher’s Aggies break through?

In College Station, Fisher struggled to find and keep healthy quarterbacks capable of directing his offense. (Tim Warner / Getty Images)
When Texas A&M hired Fisher in December 2017, it was widely considered a coup. Two months later, Texas A&M System chancellor John Sharp handed him a plaque proclaiming a future national title with the date unfilled. At FSU, Fisher went 83-23, led the Seminoles to a BCS national championship and a College Football Playoff appearance.

The fast-talking West Virginia native admired A&M’s top-notch resources. The Aggies had a top-10 athletic budget, spent half a billion dollars on facility renovations, had given their previous coach a massive contract, had unparalleled fan support and resided in a recruiting hotbed. He trusted then-A&M athletic director Scott Woodward, whom he’d known since his LSU days. The program checked a lot of boxes, except championships: The Aggies won their last conference title in 1998 and their last national championship in 1939.

Fisher, who knew how to win, was the missing piece, or so the Aggies thought. After giving Fisher a 10-year, $75 million contract, Sharp told the Houston Chronicle that his only concern with the length of the contract was that he couldn’t get Fisher to agree to a 15-year deal.

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Looking back, Fisher’s best days were behind him.

“Jimbo lost his fastball,” a former Texas A&M staffer said. “He was hungry and motivated at FSU. Then he started reading his press clippings.”

The downfall wasn’t immediate. In Fisher’s first year, the Aggies went 9-4 and beat LSU for the first time since joining the SEC. He ensured every staff member received a game ball to commemorate the historic seven-overtime victory.

In year three, A&M had its best season of the Fisher era. The Aggies went 9-1 in the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign, winning the Orange Bowl and finishing fourth in the Associated Press poll, their highest postseason ranking in 81 years. He elevated recruiting and stockpiled the roster with elite talent. In a postgame victory speech at the Orange Bowl, Fisher proclaimed, “We ain’t done yet.”

In September 2021, Fisher signed a contract extension for 10 years and nearly $95 million guaranteed. A month later, Fisher scored the landmark victory of his tenure, a 41-38 upset of No. 1 Alabama. That winter, A&M signed the highest-rated recruiting class of the modern era. On signing day, Fisher — while denying accusations that A&M bought the class — vowed, “If you don’t like that we’re coming on, get used to it. I ain’t going nowhere.”

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But as the program peaked, cracks in the foundation began to show. None were more visible than A&M’s decline on offense, which was supposed to be Fisher’s specialty.

The Aggies lost quarterbacks to season-ending injuries three years in a row. Offensive line play deteriorated. Fisher, who was the primary play caller and handled the offensive game plan, evolved slowly.

“Jimbo’s scheme was antiquated in 2014 when he won a national championship at Florida State,” an opposing SEC staffer said. “It was kind of out-of-date then, and it’s just not gotten better in 10 years.”

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The Aggies failed to score 30 points against FBS opponents in 13 consecutive games from November 2021 to November 2022. Calls from fans and critics for Fisher to ditch play calling and hire a true offensive coordinator grew louder as the Aggies stumbled to a losing record. Despite his defiant tone after the win over LSU, Fisher relented after the season, hiring former Arkansas and Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino.

In August, Petrino called the offensive installation “a collective effort” but said he would handle play-calling duties. Bjork confirmed Petrino did call the plays this season, but three athletic department sources said Petrino didn’t have full offensive control and that he called plays primarily from Fisher’s offensive scheme.

So why hire Petrino or a coordinator at all?

“He felt like he had to, just for perception,” the athletic department staffer said. “His ego would never allow him to (relinquish offensive control). He wants to prove to everybody, ‘See, my scheme works.’”

Said Bjork to The Athletic, “My job was to say, ‘Coach, we’ve talked about an OC. Now’s the time. You’ve said it. We all agree. We’re going to turn it loose.’ And however it worked after that, that was up to them.”

Five people in or close to the program described Fisher as stubborn. If something worked at FSU in 2013, Fisher’s belief was that it would work at Texas A&M. Suggestions to do things differently weren’t often well-received.

“He liked confirmation,” a former A&M assistant said. “Sometimes the coaches would just say whatever they thought he wanted to hear because they’d be burned out in meetings. … You knew he was gonna do whatever he wanted to do anyways.”

Said the former A&M staffer, “If you told him ‘no,’ or something he didn’t want to hear, he would talk s— about you, like a little kid or something.”

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Fisher’s contract armed him with immense power. The athletic department staffer said Fisher made it known he could get others fired: “He would say, ‘I’ve got the stick, and I’ll use it.’”

The offense received the bulk of Fisher’s attention. A lot of a team’s shortcomings can be papered over by a great quarterback, and Fisher understood that. Jameis Winston, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel and JaMarcus Russell became first-round picks under his direction at Florida State and LSU. Fisher, who played quarterback at Samford, was also hardest on his quarterbacks.

“He’d dog-cuss QBs,” a former personnel staffer said. “I’ve never seen a dude tear up a young quarterback like Jimbo did.”

Despite his early success with FSU QBs, he later struggled to develop his quarterback recruits into stars. Since Winston, not a single Fisher high school quarterback recruit has finished his career as the starter at the school to which Fisher recruited him. At Texas A&M, the only quarterback that started and finished consecutive seasons under Fisher is one he didn’t recruit: Kellen Mond.

Jimbo Fisher’s high school QB signees since Jameis Winston

John Franklin III
2013, FSU
Transferred after 2 seasons
JJ Cosentino
2014, FSU
30 career attempts, no starts in 4 years
Deondre Francois
2015, FSU
Transferred after 4 seasons
De’Andre Johnson
2016, FSU
Dismissed
Malik Henry
2016, FSU
Transferred in first season
Bailey Hockman
2017, FSU
Transferred after 1 season
James Blackman
2017, FSU
Transferred after 4 seasons
James Foster
2018, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Zach Calzada
2019, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Haynes King
2020, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Eli Stowers
2021, Texas A&M
Transferred after 2 seasons
Conner Weigman
2022, Texas A&M
Sophomore at Texas A&M
Marcel Reed
2023, Texas A&M
Freshman at Texas A&M
A former A&M recruiting staffer pointed to mechanics and how Fisher instructs quarterbacks to hold the ball as a hindrance, citing the case of Haynes King, a former four-star recruit who transferred to Georgia Tech last winter and has been more successful there than he was at A&M. King’s personal quarterback trainer told 247Sports in October that King’s throwing motion had become elongated.

“If you watch film, you’ll see Haynes King is holding the ball really, really high at a certain location,” the former recruiting staffer said. “Now you see Haynes King playing free and open. … (Fisher) tries to mold them in a certain way … it may have worked in the ’90s when he was at Samford, but these kids these days? They want to play more like Patrick Mahomes. They want to play free.”

The development issues weren’t exclusive to quarterback. The offensive line, despite having two freshman All-Americans in 2021, has regressed, ranking last in the SEC in pressure rate allowed in three consecutive seasons, according to TruMedia. Fisher hasn’t had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2014, and none of his wide receiver recruits at A&M have turned into NFL Draft picks.

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“We played them last year, and we were like, ‘Holy s—.’ There was first-round talent across the defensive line, the entire two-deep,” the SEC staffer said. “And then you play them this year and it’s like, ‘They’re still really good, but it felt like we played the exact same team last year.’ Are these guys really developing?”

The recruiting department is symbolic of how Fisher handled things. During his first fall at A&M, he walked into the bullpen where recruiting staffers worked and told them recruiting would take care of itself. “If you win games, you will land good recruits,” Fisher said, according to the former personnel staffer. “If you lose games, you will not land good recruits.”

That simplistic view isn’t entirely off base, but as roster management evolved, the need for an efficient, well-run recruiting department, led by a director of player personnel or general manager running the operation as the head coach’s proxy, has grown more important.

There were no consistently scheduled days for the on-field coaching staff to watch recruiting film as a group, which is unusual, the personnel staffer said. The former A&M recruiting staffer bemoaned Fisher’s indifference to the details.

“We’d sometimes watch kids as an entire staff and provide them all this information that was never ingested,” the recruiting staffer said. “We’d have sheets upon sheets, and (Fisher) didn’t even care. He didn’t want to go over the itineraries for recruiting visits. Didn’t care.”

Fisher’s reluctance to evolve in certain player acquisition areas also became an issue. Before this year, he rarely utilized the transfer portal, signing only seven scholarship transfers in his first five seasons. He signed 10 before this season out of necessity because more than two dozen players from the 2022 team hit the transfer portal.

A&M endured constant turnover in its recruiting and personnel department. After signing the No. 1 class in 2022, much of that staff departed, including director of player personnel Marshall Malchow, who joined Dan Lanning at Oregon. Four months later, Fisher hired Kevin Mashack from Indiana to succeed Malchow but parted ways with him after a year. For the past five months, A&M hasn’t had a director of player personnel, a position filled at every other SEC program and every Power 5 program in Texas.

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“That position is so, so important in today’s environment,” Bjork told The Athletic.

That A&M doesn’t have a player personnel director with the winter transfer portal window set to open on Dec. 4 is “alarming,” the former personnel staffer said.

While the recruiting department was an afterthought, Fisher was passionate about landing top players.

Fisher has always recruited high school prospects well. Of his 13 signing classes as a head coach, 10 ranked in the top 10 nationally. Former staffers lauded Fisher’s charisma with recruits and families and ability to form bonds with them. “Jimbo is a great closer,” the former A&M recruiting staffer said.

But the pursuit of the top-ranked 2022 class, which is the highest-rated in the modern era, became an obsession for Fisher and his staff, to the point that Fisher inquired about the 247Sports Class Calculator and how certain commits would affect A&M’s recruiting ranking. The former A&M recruiting staffer said Fisher ignored character questions if the recruits were five-star prospects.

“He’s like, ‘Nope, he’s a five-star, we wanna take him,’” the staffer said.

Multiple members of that signing class broke team rules that warranted suspensions. Seven members of the 2022 class transferred out after their first season, including all four who were suspended.

“It’s like we’ve collected the most talent possible but I don’t think it was really strategically done the way you’d build a roster,” the current team staffer said. “They were just acquiring talent. I don’t know how much of a team it was.”

That could apply to the staff as well. Although Fisher had three former head coaches on his staff — Petrino, defensive coordinator DJ Durkin and offensive line coach Steve Addazio — and trusted them to do their jobs, team staffers say Fisher provided no clear direction on how people were supposed to operate.

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“We had no idea what was going on or when we were off,” the former A&M recruiting staffer said. “He could take his private jet and go back home to see his kids or wherever, and we’re sitting there like, ‘Well, shoot, now we have the weekend off, didn’t know about that because Jimbo didn’t care to tell us.’”

Fisher kept a tight circle, confiding mostly in his right-hand man, director of football operations Mark Robinson, and receivers coach Dameyune Craig. But the buck stopped with Fisher and processes often bottlenecked as a result.

“He was the only one who could make a decision,” the athletic department staffer said. “Nobody else was empowered to make a decision.”

The chaos trickled down to the roster. Although disciplinary measures for those 2022 freshmen became public, multiple people within the program described poor day-to-day discipline and accountability for players toward the end of the Fisher era. Being late to meetings or workouts was met with few, if any, consequences.

“It was kids doing whatever they wanted,” the former assistant said. “And Jimbo showed a little leniency to those kids. Then, the older kids on the team were saying, ‘When we were kids on the team, you didn’t let us do it that way.’ It wasn’t good.”

After those 2022 recruits left the program, discipline improved in 2023. But the on-field issues persisted. Quarterback Conner Weigman’s season-ending injury in September was a major blow. The offensive line struggled more than ever. A&M’s special teams allowed three touchdown returns and was one of the worst units nationally in kickoff coverage (Fisher didn’t have a full-time on-field assistant dedicated to special teams).

A 15-point road loss to Miami in Week 2 foreshadowed issues that lingered. One-score losses to Alabama, Tennessee and Ole Miss left fans and school leadership frustrated. “Our program is stuck in neutral,” Bjork said the day A&M fired Fisher.

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Over time, the dysfunction took its toll. Despite having top-10 roster talent each of the past three seasons, A&M went 19-15 overall, 10-13 against SEC teams and 12-14 against Power 5 competition under Fisher from 2021 to ’23. That included seven consecutive losses in games decided by one score and a nine-game road losing streak. The athletic department staffer called football the worst-run sport in A&M’s athletic department.

“It seems like things were just really hard,” Bjork told The Athletic. “And look, winning is hard, I get it. But processes and procedures should not be hard.”

A Week 2 loss to Miami this September put a concerning ceiling on Fisher’s sixth season. (Sam Navarro / USA Today)
So where does Texas A&M go from here?

The administration is more than a week into a wide-ranging coaching search. The sooner A&M can get someone in place, the better. Bjork set the opening day of the winter transfer portal window, Dec. 4, as an informal deadline to give the new coach a chance to retain as much of the roster as possible.

Several names have been connected to the A&M job. Mike Elko, who is only the second coach to take Duke to consecutive bowl appearances, seems like a natural fit given his previous experience with A&M as Fisher’s defensive coordinator.

UTSA coach Jeff Traylor, who has taken the Roadrunners to consecutive conference championships and has them in the mix for a third, would provide a Texas-heavy identity given his background as a former state championship-winning high school coach in the state. Kansas coach Lance Leipold’s work pulling the Jayhawks from the ashes would give the Aggies a builder. Arizona coach Jedd Fisch’s varied background includes extensive NFL experience coupled with his revival of the Wildcats, who went winless the season before he took over.

Bjork has specific traits he’s seeking in the next coach. Among the dozen attributes he listed, phrases like “supreme organizational skills,” a “culture of discipline” and someone who “can capitalize on modern day college athletics” stand out given Fisher’s shortcomings.

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This time, there will be no plaques, no 10-year guaranteed contracts. The hire will be more grounded in reality. But the Aggies won’t change their lofty ambitions. If they can keep their loaded roster together, they should.

“Expectations should be sky-high there, because of the resources they have,” the former assistant said. “That school deserved way more than what we gave them the last few years.”

The Fisher hire proved that it’s not as simple as pairing a big-time coach with a ton of resources. There are no shortcuts to a championship. Texas A&M must find its man to build the program without skipping steps.

“The ingredients for a championship are here,” Bjork said. “Aggies want to do it the right way and deserve excellence in everything that we do.”

 

[Beau Vine 54382]

10 hours ago, Genco said:

Yeah but aggy is prepared to offer him a total compensation package with an incentive structure to share in the upside. All he has to do is accomplish more than aggy has been able to do in 84 years.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Athletic:

 

My son is not a writer and struggled with his common app essay.  Too long.  Should have given him a sub to the athletic.  

[Longboard Horn 40433]

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

[MAUFRAIS 6633]

In a trough. Classic.

[MrBig 5429]

1 hour ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Aren’t sark and kiffin buddies?  They were both at usc and then Bama together.  
 

Yeah Sark and Kiffin are buddies. They also know how to press each other’s buttons. 

Kiffin + A&M are a match made in heaven. Two loudmouth buffoons who constantly talk shit, never achieve much and still fall backwards into money.

They also love dogs and let them kiss with tongues.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5535]

5 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

So fucking trashy. Texas gives its players a suit and tie banquet that serves king ranch steaks on Thanksgiving day.

[South Austin 52568]

9 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

This is how you roll on Thanksgiving when your athletic department is short $78 million.

[msucolt45 4064]

WTF with a canoe of fried food?

Hook’em!!!

[Nope 3121]

Probably had to throw something together last minute because Jimbo never planned on making it to Thanksgiving

[Brisketexan 105275]

That ain’t no Thanksgiving feast.
That’s the Steel Shank and Brisketexan lunch special.

[Nope 3121]

Double post…

Edited November 24, 2023 by Nope

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5535]

My favorite part is how they have the desk lamps desperately trying to keep the food hot because they were too fucking stupid to just keep their shit in the bag.

[gofuckyourself 8375]

15 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

I'm not disputing that they had a cheaply catered cafeteria style thanksgiving but their Twitter/x feed doesn't show that picture, that I can find.

Unless I missed it we don't need to invent insults for aggy. They provide plenty of jokes to be thankful for as it is.

[TheStoicPaisano 9923]

22 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

 

 

In reality, They’re at some hotel in Baton Rouge, probably eating Cajun t’giving. At least it’s sanitary.

Edited November 24, 2023 by TheStoicPaisano

[South Austin 52568]

2 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

I'm not disputing that they had a cheaply catered cafeteria style thanksgiving but their Twitter/x feed doesn't show that picture, that I can find.

Unless I missed it we don't need to invent insults for aggy. They provide plenty of jokes to be thankful for as it is.

[Gil Bang 25999]

2 hours ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

Aren’t sark and kiffin buddies?  They were both at usc and then Bama together.  
 

 

1 hour ago, pops said:

Yeah....I think sark and kiffin get along. Was just going to post this after catching up on this thread. 

They are buddies.  A couple of weeks back, Lane tweeted a photo of Sark with Lane's kid (Sark was out recruiting the kid's school). 

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That ain’t no Thanksgiving feast.
That’s the Steel Shank and Brisketexan lunch special.

With Shart thread posts to follow

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

1 hour ago, pops said:

Yeah....I think sark and kiffin get along. Was just going to post this after catching up on this thread. 

Kiffin doesn’t strike me as a “the other school” guy given options.  

[Duane Moore 5248]

30 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

No CR, but this is immediately what came to mind when I saw that spread:

[TrashMaster G 17589]

3 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

 

 

I don't know what's more sad.

This guy and the people that consume this or the 'mom's' pimping out their kids.

God this is depressing.

'mom's'?????

🤬🤬🤬🤬

[nnm 36568]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

“It seems like things were just really hard,” Bjork told The Athletic. “And look, winning is hard, I get it. But processes and procedures should not be hard.”

[Butch Had Not 2992]

33 minutes ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

So fucking trashy. Texas gives its players a suit and tie banquet that serves king ranch steaks on Thanksgiving day.

We need a side by side of these different dinners... for the lulz.

[hookemATL 11838]

35 minutes ago, gofuckyourself said:

Unless I missed it we don't need to invent insults for aggy. They provide plenty of jokes to be thankful for as it is.

Gofuckyourself. Perception is reality. 

[TexasTroll 454]

51 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

 

In reality, They’re at some hotel in Baton Rouge, probably eating Cajun t’giving. At least it’s sanitary.

It’s aggy

they at in the hotel

fucking the turducken

Edited November 24, 2023 by TexasTroll

[Pimphand 5853]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

This is how you roll on Thanksgiving when your athletic department is short $78 million.

Didn't those dumbshits have a thread going on about their players digestive system woes as a possible cause for their poor play earlier this year?

I think we can confirm this river of fried shit would not lead to peak athletic performance.

[Blotto 23568]

Even though they won't admit it, I think the average aggy fan secretly loves it when they have to replace a coach, because its the only time they are truly relevant on the  CFB scene. A&M gets a lot more coverage in the media during these times, and for once its not about their milkmen prancing around like they're from KC. After they make their choice, its back to another 4-6 years of 8-4 football where they largely fall out of the national spotlight. This might be as good as it gets if you  cheer for aggy. You can strut around the office rubbing your micropeen telling everyone all about your unrivaled resources. 

And speaking of those resources, over on the gomer board I see a  bunch of those dipshits that want to hire DeBoer bragging not only about how aggy can pay him more, but also that their unmatched resources will allow a coach like DeBoer to contend for a championship. And yet somehow with all those resources, A&M never contends for championships while Washington has parlayed their green stamps and best buy coupons into a top 4 ranking and a solid chance at the championship in DeBoer's second season. They are so close to getting it, and then liucci comes along and jacks them all off with his one of his patented screeds extolling the greatness of aggy, and the system reboots itself back to the status quo. 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Blotto

[TOR 5809]

Needs more ranch dressing.

[WelfareBuysMyWeed 5535]

1 hour ago, Butch Had Not said:

We need a side by side of these different dinners... for the lulz.

I read about it during the final aggy meeting. They were talking about how they had their annual thanksgiving banquet but that year invited a ton of former players to get up and speak out about what beating Aggy for the final time would mean for the university. Apparently it's an old tradition that goes back to the 50's.

[pyrohornIII 4817]

2 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

There's nothing on that table J Whitt would put in his body.

12 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Even though they won't admit it, I think the average aggy fan secretly loves it when they have to replace a coach, because its the only time they are truly relevant on the  CFB scene. A&M gets a lot more coverage in the media during these times, and for once its not about their milkmen prancing around like they're from KC. After they make their choice, its back to another 4-6 years of 8-4 football where they largely fall out of the national spotlight. This might be as good as it gets if you  cheer for aggy. You can strut around the office rubbing your micropeen telling everyone all about your unrivaled resources. 

And speaking of those resources, over on the gomer board I see a  bunch of those dipshits that want to hire DeBoer bragging not only about how aggy can pay him more, but also that their unmatched resources will allow a coach like DeBoer to contend for a championship. And yet somehow with all those resources, A&M never contends for championships while Washington has parlayed their green stamps and best buy coupons into a top 4 ranking and a solid chance at the championship in DeBoer's second season. They are so close to getting it, and then liucci comes along and jacks them all off with his one of his patented screeds extolling the greatness of aggy, and the system reboots itself back to the status quo. 

They enjoy it because it spotlights the coach as the problem each time, and the culture never gets questioned.    I'd really like one of those coaches to sack up and talk about how that culture affects that football team negatively, and to a lesser degree the other sports.  

But aggy sure likes to point out our culture like it's some plague.  Typical lack of self awareness.

 

 

[Herpa Derpa 6129]

13 hours ago, MrBig said:

After the aggy game, Lane and Lassie had a private moment alone in one of the medical tents to see if he’s “the one.”  

 How I picture Reveille greeting Lane.

[mdleast 8298]

SIAP but great (long) article by The Athletic forensically breaking down the Jimbo issues:



COLLEGE STATION, Texas — After the final game of the 2022 season, Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher spoke with an air of validation.

The Aggies had just defeated No. 5 LSU by 15 points. Never mind that the win completed a 5-7 record, Fisher’s worst as a head coach, or that his uber-talented, preseason top-10 team failed to make a bowl game.

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Leaning slightly forward with his arms crossed, Fisher sounded like a man convinced, even in the face of his program’s immense struggles.

“There’s nothing wrong with what we’re doing,” Fisher said.

The comment caused a brief panic among fans, and even some in Texas A&M’s administration, who felt Fisher needed to adapt to the rapidly evolving college football landscape for the Aggies to unlock their potential.

On the surface, he did. But behind the scenes, many things stayed the same. Nobody could make Fisher change, two athletic department staffers said. He wanted to do things his way and dug in his heels. Armed with a massive contract and a buyout more than triple the previous largest in college football history, he felt unfireable. But less than a year later, on Nov. 12, A&M did what some considered unthinkable given the $77 million it still owed Fisher and fired him. (And the athletic department will foot the bill; program sources told The Athletic multiple times in the past year that if Fisher were fired, donors wouldn’t be the ones paying the buyout. The 12th Man Foundation, the athletic department’s primary fundraising arm, will pay for an initial one-time payment of $19 million, and the athletic department will fund annual payments of more than $7 million, athletic director Ross Bjork confirmed the Sunday that Fisher was fired.)

The offensive guru, one of five active coaches to have won a national championship, was lured away from Florida State at eye-watering cost because he was the man the Aggies deemed capable of meeting their own lofty ambitions.

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Fisher loved the schematics. But as the sport evolved and roster management became paramount with the advent of the transfer portal and one-time transfer rule, Fisher’s emphasis on an underperforming offense and failure to adapt to growing organizational needs created a disjointed and, at times, chaotic atmosphere.

“There isn’t that clear vision,” said a current team staffer, who was granted anonymity, along with more than a dozen others within or close to the Texas A&M program, so they could speak candidly. “What’s our messaging? What’s our vision? How do we sell it? What’s our program about? Everybody here just does their own thing.”

After a 45-22 record in six seasons and no championships to speak of, why did it all go wrong? Why, with every other ingredient an elite program needs, couldn’t Fisher’s Aggies break through?


In College Station, Fisher struggled to find and keep healthy quarterbacks capable of directing his offense. (Tim Warner / Getty Images)
When Texas A&M hired Fisher in December 2017, it was widely considered a coup. Two months later, Texas A&M System chancellor John Sharp handed him a plaque proclaiming a future national title with the date unfilled. At FSU, Fisher went 83-23, led the Seminoles to a BCS national championship and a College Football Playoff appearance.

The fast-talking West Virginia native admired A&M’s top-notch resources. The Aggies had a top-10 athletic budget, spent half a billion dollars on facility renovations, had given their previous coach a massive contract, had unparalleled fan support and resided in a recruiting hotbed. He trusted then-A&M athletic director Scott Woodward, whom he’d known since his LSU days. The program checked a lot of boxes, except championships: The Aggies won their last conference title in 1998 and their last national championship in 1939.

Fisher, who knew how to win, was the missing piece, or so the Aggies thought. After giving Fisher a 10-year, $75 million contract, Sharp told the Houston Chronicle that his only concern with the length of the contract was that he couldn’t get Fisher to agree to a 15-year deal.

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Looking back, Fisher’s best days were behind him.

“Jimbo lost his fastball,” a former Texas A&M staffer said. “He was hungry and motivated at FSU. Then he started reading his press clippings.”

The downfall wasn’t immediate. In Fisher’s first year, the Aggies went 9-4 and beat LSU for the first time since joining the SEC. He ensured every staff member received a game ball to commemorate the historic seven-overtime victory.

In year three, A&M had its best season of the Fisher era. The Aggies went 9-1 in the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign, winning the Orange Bowl and finishing fourth in the Associated Press poll, their highest postseason ranking in 81 years. He elevated recruiting and stockpiled the roster with elite talent. In a postgame victory speech at the Orange Bowl, Fisher proclaimed, “We ain’t done yet.”

In September 2021, Fisher signed a contract extension for 10 years and nearly $95 million guaranteed. A month later, Fisher scored the landmark victory of his tenure, a 41-38 upset of No. 1 Alabama. That winter, A&M signed the highest-rated recruiting class of the modern era. On signing day, Fisher — while denying accusations that A&M bought the class — vowed, “If you don’t like that we’re coming on, get used to it. I ain’t going nowhere.”

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But as the program peaked, cracks in the foundation began to show. None were more visible than A&M’s decline on offense, which was supposed to be Fisher’s specialty.

The Aggies lost quarterbacks to season-ending injuries three years in a row. Offensive line play deteriorated. Fisher, who was the primary play caller and handled the offensive game plan, evolved slowly.

“Jimbo’s scheme was antiquated in 2014 when he won a national championship at Florida State,” an opposing SEC staffer said. “It was kind of out-of-date then, and it’s just not gotten better in 10 years.”

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The Aggies failed to score 30 points against FBS opponents in 13 consecutive games from November 2021 to November 2022. Calls from fans and critics for Fisher to ditch play calling and hire a true offensive coordinator grew louder as the Aggies stumbled to a losing record. Despite his defiant tone after the win over LSU, Fisher relented after the season, hiring former Arkansas and Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino.

In August, Petrino called the offensive installation “a collective effort” but said he would handle play-calling duties. Bjork confirmed Petrino did call the plays this season, but three athletic department sources said Petrino didn’t have full offensive control and that he called plays primarily from Fisher’s offensive scheme.

So why hire Petrino or a coordinator at all?

“He felt like he had to, just for perception,” the athletic department staffer said. “His ego would never allow him to (relinquish offensive control). He wants to prove to everybody, ‘See, my scheme works.’”

Said Bjork to The Athletic, “My job was to say, ‘Coach, we’ve talked about an OC. Now’s the time. You’ve said it. We all agree. We’re going to turn it loose.’ And however it worked after that, that was up to them.”

Five people in or close to the program described Fisher as stubborn. If something worked at FSU in 2013, Fisher’s belief was that it would work at Texas A&M. Suggestions to do things differently weren’t often well-received.

“He liked confirmation,” a former A&M assistant said. “Sometimes the coaches would just say whatever they thought he wanted to hear because they’d be burned out in meetings. … You knew he was gonna do whatever he wanted to do anyways.”

Said the former A&M staffer, “If you told him ‘no,’ or something he didn’t want to hear, he would talk s— about you, like a little kid or something.”

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Fisher’s contract armed him with immense power. The athletic department staffer said Fisher made it known he could get others fired: “He would say, ‘I’ve got the stick, and I’ll use it.’”

The offense received the bulk of Fisher’s attention. A lot of a team’s shortcomings can be papered over by a great quarterback, and Fisher understood that. Jameis Winston, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel and JaMarcus Russell became first-round picks under his direction at Florida State and LSU. Fisher, who played quarterback at Samford, was also hardest on his quarterbacks.

“He’d dog-cuss QBs,” a former personnel staffer said. “I’ve never seen a dude tear up a young quarterback like Jimbo did.”

Despite his early success with FSU QBs, he later struggled to develop his quarterback recruits into stars. Since Winston, not a single Fisher high school quarterback recruit has finished his career as the starter at the school to which Fisher recruited him. At Texas A&M, the only quarterback that started and finished consecutive seasons under Fisher is one he didn’t recruit: Kellen Mond.

Jimbo Fisher’s high school QB signees since Jameis Winston

PLAYER SIGNING CLASS RESULT
John Franklin III
2013, FSU
Transferred after 2 seasons
JJ Cosentino
2014, FSU
30 career attempts, no starts in 4 years
Deondre Francois
2015, FSU
Transferred after 4 seasons
De’Andre Johnson
2016, FSU
Dismissed
Malik Henry
2016, FSU
Transferred in first season
Bailey Hockman
2017, FSU
Transferred after 1 season
James Blackman
2017, FSU
Transferred after 4 seasons
James Foster
2018, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Zach Calzada
2019, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Haynes King
2020, Texas A&M
Transferred after 3 seasons
Eli Stowers
2021, Texas A&M
Transferred after 2 seasons
Conner Weigman
2022, Texas A&M
Sophomore at Texas A&M
Marcel Reed
2023, Texas A&M
Freshman at Texas A&M
A former A&M recruiting staffer pointed to mechanics and how Fisher instructs quarterbacks to hold the ball as a hindrance, citing the case of Haynes King, a former four-star recruit who transferred to Georgia Tech last winter and has been more successful there than he was at A&M. King’s personal quarterback trainer told 247Sports in October that King’s throwing motion had become elongated.

“If you watch film, you’ll see Haynes King is holding the ball really, really high at a certain location,” the former recruiting staffer said. “Now you see Haynes King playing free and open. … (Fisher) tries to mold them in a certain way … it may have worked in the ’90s when he was at Samford, but these kids these days? They want to play more like Patrick Mahomes. They want to play free.”

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The development issues weren’t exclusive to quarterback. The offensive line, despite having two freshman All-Americans in 2021, has regressed, ranking last in the SEC in pressure rate allowed in three consecutive seasons, according to TruMedia. Fisher hasn’t had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2014, and none of his wide receiver recruits at A&M have turned into NFL Draft picks.

“We played them last year, and we were like, ‘Holy s—.’ There was first-round talent across the defensive line, the entire two-deep,” the SEC staffer said. “And then you play them this year and it’s like, ‘They’re still really good, but it felt like we played the exact same team last year.’ Are these guys really developing?”

The recruiting department is symbolic of how Fisher handled things. During his first fall at A&M, he walked into the bullpen where recruiting staffers worked and told them recruiting would take care of itself. “If you win games, you will land good recruits,” Fisher said, according to the former personnel staffer. “If you lose games, you will not land good recruits.”

That simplistic view isn’t entirely off base, but as roster management evolved, the need for an efficient, well-run recruiting department, led by a director of player personnel or general manager running the operation as the head coach’s proxy, has grown more important.

There were no consistently scheduled days for the on-field coaching staff to watch recruiting film as a group, which is unusual, the personnel staffer said. The former A&M recruiting staffer bemoaned Fisher’s indifference to the details.

“We’d sometimes watch kids as an entire staff and provide them all this information that was never ingested,” the recruiting staffer said. “We’d have sheets upon sheets, and (Fisher) didn’t even care. He didn’t want to go over the itineraries for recruiting visits. Didn’t care.”

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Fisher’s reluctance to evolve in certain player acquisition areas also became an issue. Before this year, he rarely utilized the transfer portal, signing only seven scholarship transfers in his first five seasons. He signed 10 before this season out of necessity because more than two dozen players from the 2022 team hit the transfer portal.

A&M endured constant turnover in its recruiting and personnel department. After signing the No. 1 class in 2022, much of that staff departed, including director of player personnel Marshall Malchow, who joined Dan Lanning at Oregon. Four months later, Fisher hired Kevin Mashack from Indiana to succeed Malchow but parted ways with him after a year. For the past five months, A&M hasn’t had a director of player personnel, a position filled at every other SEC program and every Power 5 program in Texas.

“That position is so, so important in today’s environment,” Bjork told The Athletic.

That A&M doesn’t have a player personnel director with the winter transfer portal window set to open on Dec. 4 is “alarming,” the former personnel staffer said.

While the recruiting department was an afterthought, Fisher was passionate about landing top players.

Fisher has always recruited high school prospects well. Of his 13 signing classes as a head coach, 10 ranked in the top 10 nationally. Former staffers lauded Fisher’s charisma with recruits and families and ability to form bonds with them. “Jimbo is a great closer,” the former A&M recruiting staffer said.

But the pursuit of the top-ranked 2022 class, which is the highest-rated in the modern era, became an obsession for Fisher and his staff, to the point that Fisher inquired about the 247Sports Class Calculator and how certain commits would affect A&M’s recruiting ranking. The former A&M recruiting staffer said Fisher ignored character questions if the recruits were five-star prospects.

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“He’s like, ‘Nope, he’s a five-star, we wanna take him,’” the staffer said.

Multiple members of that signing class broke team rules that warranted suspensions. Seven members of the 2022 class transferred out after their first season, including all four who were suspended.

“It’s like we’ve collected the most talent possible but I don’t think it was really strategically done the way you’d build a roster,” the current team staffer said. “They were just acquiring talent. I don’t know how much of a team it was.”

That could apply to the staff as well. Although Fisher had three former head coaches on his staff — Petrino, defensive coordinator DJ Durkin and offensive line coach Steve Addazio — and trusted them to do their jobs, team staffers say Fisher provided no clear direction on how people were supposed to operate.

“We had no idea what was going on or when we were off,” the former A&M recruiting staffer said. “He could take his private jet and go back home to see his kids or wherever, and we’re sitting there like, ‘Well, shoot, now we have the weekend off, didn’t know about that because Jimbo didn’t care to tell us.’”

Fisher kept a tight circle, confiding mostly in his right-hand man, director of football operations Mark Robinson, and receivers coach Dameyune Craig. But the buck stopped with Fisher and processes often bottlenecked as a result.

“He was the only one who could make a decision,” the athletic department staffer said. “Nobody else was empowered to make a decision.”

The chaos trickled down to the roster. Although disciplinary measures for those 2022 freshmen became public, multiple people within the program described poor day-to-day discipline and accountability for players toward the end of the Fisher era. Being late to meetings or workouts was met with few, if any, consequences.

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“It was kids doing whatever they wanted,” the former assistant said. “And Jimbo showed a little leniency to those kids. Then, the older kids on the team were saying, ‘When we were kids on the team, you didn’t let us do it that way.’ It wasn’t good.”

After those 2022 recruits left the program, discipline improved in 2023. But the on-field issues persisted. Quarterback Conner Weigman’s season-ending injury in September was a major blow. The offensive line struggled more than ever. A&M’s special teams allowed three touchdown returns and was one of the worst units nationally in kickoff coverage (Fisher didn’t have a full-time on-field assistant dedicated to special teams).

A 15-point road loss to Miami in Week 2 foreshadowed issues that lingered. One-score losses to Alabama, Tennessee and Ole Miss left fans and school leadership frustrated. “Our program is stuck in neutral,” Bjork said the day A&M fired Fisher.

Over time, the dysfunction took its toll. Despite having top-10 roster talent each of the past three seasons, A&M went 19-15 overall, 10-13 against SEC teams and 12-14 against Power 5 competition under Fisher from 2021 to ’23. That included seven consecutive losses in games decided by one score and a nine-game road losing streak. The athletic department staffer called football the worst-run sport in A&M’s athletic department.

“It seems like things were just really hard,” Bjork told The Athletic. “And look, winning is hard, I get it. But processes and procedures should not be hard.”


A Week 2 loss to Miami this September put a concerning ceiling on Fisher’s sixth season. (Sam Navarro / USA Today)
So where does Texas A&M go from here?

The administration is more than a week into a wide-ranging coaching search. The sooner A&M can get someone in place, the better. Bjork set the opening day of the winter transfer portal window, Dec. 4, as an informal deadline to give the new coach a chance to retain as much of the roster as possible.

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Several names have been connected to the A&M job. Mike Elko, who is only the second coach to take Duke to consecutive bowl appearances, seems like a natural fit given his previous experience with A&M as Fisher’s defensive coordinator.

UTSA coach Jeff Traylor, who has taken the Roadrunners to consecutive conference championships and has them in the mix for a third, would provide a Texas-heavy identity given his background as a former state championship-winning high school coach in the state. Kansas coach Lance Leipold’s work pulling the Jayhawks from the ashes would give the Aggies a builder. Arizona coach Jedd Fisch’s varied background includes extensive NFL experience coupled with his revival of the Wildcats, who went winless the season before he took over.

Bjork has specific traits he’s seeking in the next coach. Among the dozen attributes he listed, phrases like “supreme organizational skills,” a “culture of discipline” and someone who “can capitalize on modern day college athletics” stand out given Fisher’s shortcomings.

This time, there will be no plaques, no 10-year guaranteed contracts. The hire will be more grounded in reality. But the Aggies won’t change their lofty ambitions. If they can keep their loaded roster together, they should.

“Expectations should be sky-high there, because of the resources they have,” the former assistant said. “That school deserved way more than what we gave them the last few years.”

The Fisher hire proved that it’s not as simple as pairing a big-time coach with a ton of resources. There are no shortcuts to a championship. Texas A&M must find its man to build the program without skipping steps.

“The ingredients for a championship are here,” Bjork said. “Aggies want to do it the right way and deserve excellence in everything that we do.”

(Top illustration: John Bradford for The Athletic; Photos: Carmen Mandato, Logan Riely / Getty Images)

[Pancho 44965]

I smell another aggy boycott…

 

 

 

[Bevo&Pevo 5217]

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I smell another aggy boycott…

 

 

 

It's Thanksgiving, if they're mad, they can sit at the kid's table or in the corner.  Either way, it's where they deserve to be.  Leave the grown-ups alone. 

[Blotto 23568]

lulz at the f'n egg bowl at number 4. 

[Vertigo 20309]

19 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I smell another aggy boycott…

 

 

 

Auburn Bama at #1 is certainly a choice, as is the egg bowl above Texas OU.

[BigHornedLurker 1967]

3 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Auburn Bama at #1 is certainly a choice, as is the egg bowl above Texas OU.

I mean I enjoyed the egg bowl but it's not top 4 . 

I think as we're all naturally biased but to me 

1. Shootout 

2. Iron bowl 

3. Army navy 

4. The game 

Everything else 

[chainsaw 9873]

This is who Jeff Traylor is.

[TrashMaster G 17589]

50 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I mean I enjoyed the egg bowl but it's not top 4 . 

I think as we're all naturally biased but to me 

1. Shootout 

2. Iron bowl 

3. Army navy 

4. The game 

Everything else 

Move #3 up to #1 and I'm with you.

[Jive Turkey 12641]

The Civil War is top 10.  And tonight’s is gonna be awesome. Egg Bowl has no business being on that list.

[BigHornedLurker 1967]

14 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Move #3 up to #1 and I'm with you.

I actually back and forth on this. It almost should be on its own list . 

The game itself is OK, but the pageantry is in a world of its own 

[TrashMaster G 17589]

3 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I actually back and forth on this. It almost should be on its own list . 

The game itself is OK, but the pageantry is in a world of its own 

It's about the rivalry, not the quality of the teams. All the stuff that goes on between the academies and their student bodies prior to the game is next-level. 

Nothing approaches that rivalry.

Edited November 24, 2023 by TrashMaster G

[FtheBig12 176]

21 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Move #3 up to #1 and I'm with you.

Yeah I agree I don't really have any interest in the game but as far as rivalries go that has to be number one.

Frankly I think Michigan v Ohio State is overrated. Probably an unpopular opinion but I just don't think too many people outside of those schools really give a shit about that game. Of course you could say that about most rivalries I guess.

Edited November 24, 2023 by FtheBig12

[freyguy 4284]

40 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

This is who Jeff Traylor is.

Limo is already outside the stadium, ready to take him to the airport.

[El Squared 1813]

6 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

I wasn’t able to see the wrinkled hot dogs on the rollers but I’m sure they are there somewhere….

[TexasGary 849]

 

[ousux 5601]

They really had a thanksgiving dinner of pizza and fast food 

Those heating lamps do wonders keeping meat moist and flavorful..Lincoln would approve.

[ousux 5601]

 

 
In reality, They’re at some hotel in Baton Rouge, probably eating Cajun t’giving. At least it’s sanitary.

Uhh, you ever been to Louisiana bro? They don't bother with such things as food safety, just gotta be born with a tough gut.