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[jimmyjazz 45963]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

I strongly believe that those kind of reviews are needed at basically every university.

I don't necessarily disagree, especially at public schools, but I do think there needs to be pretty carefully crafted limits.  Not every major/minor needs to be a profit center.

[BurntEyes 5998]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I don't necessarily disagree, especially at public schools, but I do think there needs to be pretty carefully crafted limits.  Not every major/minor needs to be a profit center.

I agree, but on the other side there are a lot of degrees that are arguably a swindle of young peoples future money. Some degrees just shouldn't exist as they have zero post grad value in reality.

[RomaVicta 29909]

14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't necessarily disagree, especially at public schools, but I do think there needs to be pretty carefully crafted limits.  Not every major/minor needs to be a profit center.

Universities are not trade schools. A review of courses and minors offered is not a bad thing per se. Having the review done by the board alone while ignoring faculty (scholarly) input while focusing on hot political topics is pretty much a bad thing per se.

But there's this:

And then there is this:

The "Black journalist" was an esteemed journalist and educator who was also an Aggie graduate. I wonder which adjective won out.

[RomaVicta 29909]

20 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I agree, but on the other side there are a lot of degrees that are arguably a swindle of young peoples future money. Some degrees just shouldn't exist as they have zero post grad value in reality.

The problem there is the obscenely high cost of public university education. It's criminal robbery of college students no matter what they study.

[Beau Vine 54238]

27 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't necessarily disagree, especially at public schools, but I do think there needs to be pretty carefully crafted limits.  Not every major/minor needs to be a profit center.

I'm not disagreeing either, but a university is a collection of groups sharing finite resources and when one department has 50+ students in a graduate course and another department has multiple grad courses with 4 students, that's a big problem.  

If those numbers sound kind of specific, it's because our idiot provost at TxSt at the time wouldn't do anything about that situation which is why it grinds my gears.

 

[BurntEyes 5998]

11 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The problem there is the obscenely high cost of public university education. It's criminal robbery of college students no matter what they study.

Oh full on pure monetization of High Ed is a core issue for sure. Hence why I think some measures should be in place to make sure 18 year olds aren't being swindled. 

While I agree with you that some faculty engagement is wanted, I think it important to note some of those faculty are straight up in on the grift. Tenured Proffesor JibbaJabba Jones of Far Eastern QFLBGT+/- Music Theory of Engineering dance and psychology is gonna support and defend Tenured Professors BadaBing Smith's Study of Crossfit Economic Theory, every time.

Edited November 8 by BurntEyes

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

Well, this thread sure took a turn for the less fun

[bolverk 29683]

The aggy Battalion student newspaper has a full list of the programs.

https://thebatt.com/center/board-of-regents-to-vote-on-mandating-minor-certificate-eliminations/

It's worth a read, because it goes into what made the process controversial and "unprecedented," being that faculty were not included in the process, which is apparently the norm in these situations.

 

Impacted Programs

Minors:

• Global Art Design GR
• Global Culture and Society UG
• Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Studies UG
• Asian Studies UG
• Geophysics UG
• Comparative Cultural Studies U.S. UG
• Chemical Engineering UG
• Petroleum Engineering UG
• Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG
• Aerospace Engineering UG
• Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG
• Engineering Concepts UG
• Maritime Studies UG
• Global Health UG
   

Certificates:

• Regulatory Science in Food Systems UG
• Cultural Competency UG
• Landscape Management UG
• Watershed UG
• Facility Asset Management GR
• Transportation Planning GR
• Community Development GR
• Diversity UG
• Petroleum Geoscience GR
• Geoscience Data Management GR
• Computational Sciences GR
• Environmental and Engineering Geology GR
• Business Economics UG
• Quantitative Economic
• Communication and Global
• Cybersecurity Engineering GR
• Electric Energy Systems GR
• Energy Technology, Law and Policy GR
• Subsea Engineering GR
• Engineering Concept, Creation, and Commercialization GR
• Engineering Therapeutics Manufacturing GR
• International Petroleum Management GR
• Corrosion Science and Engineering GR
• Energy Engineering UG
• Cybersecurity Policy GR
• Latino Mental Health GR
• Individual, Group, and Team Coaching in Specialty Area GR
• Post-Secondary Science Teaching GR
• Maritime Business Administration GR
• Analytics GR
• International Business GR
• Capital Markets and Investments Equity UG
• Investment Banking UG
• Investment Banking and Private Equity UG
• Banking Services UG
• Health Systems Management GR
• Popular Culture GR
• Performing Social Activism UG

 

[Gen. Applewhite 226]

3 hours ago, hookemATL said:

Adding toppings to fries makes them worse, not better. Toppings should be added on the side, to prevent compromising the structural integrity/crispiness of the fry. 

It’s all about perspective. I look at this not as an improvement on fries, but as an improvement on the loaded baked potato. 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

26 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I'm not disagreeing either, but a university is a collection of groups sharing finite resources and when one department has 50+ students in a graduate course and another department has multiple grad courses with 4 students, that's a big problem.  

Counter point/question:  do LGBTQ+ studies profs make the same salaries as business/STEM profs (for example)?  I realize that prof salary isn't the only cost, but it's surely part of the math.

[Beau Vine 54238]

33 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The problem there is the obscenely high cost of public university education. It's criminal robbery of college students no matter what they study.

This is a ridiculous statement.  Even if your goal for higher education is 100% financial, there are plenty of studies showing that a college degree is an extremely positive NPV investment, even without controlling for major.

[Beau Vine 54238]

33 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

While I agree with you that some faculty engagement is wanted, I think it important to note some of those faculty are straight up in on the grift. Tenured Proffesor JibbaJabba Jones of Far Eastern QFLBGT+/- Music Theory of Engineering dance and psychology is gonna support and defend Tenured Professors BadaBing Smith's Study of Crossfit Economic Theory, every time.

[Beau Vine 54238]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Counter point/question:  do LGBTQ+ studies profs make the same salaries as business/STEM profs (for example)?  I realize that prof salary isn't the only cost, but it's surely part of the math.

Of course not, but everyone teaching a business class doesn't make the same salaries.  When I taught at UT, I was paid about $20K per class.   Sheridan Titman was getting paid over $300K/year.  And I taught much bigger classes than he did.

[jimmyjazz 45963]

Well yeah, but he had the best surname ever.

[General Specific 3262]

If they really want to make a large cut to LGBTQ+, they should get rid of the corps of cadets and the yell leaders. 

Not sure if serious aggy! If they were, aggy would also roll up the carpet for athletics!

[General Specific 3262]

Well yeah, but he had the best surname ever.

Judges would also accept:

[BurntEyes 5998]

25 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Certificates:

Regulatory Science in Food Systems UG

Cultural Competency UG

Community Development GR

Diversity UG

Subsea Engineering GR

Engineering Therapeutics Manufacturing GR

Latino Mental Health GR

Individual, Group, and Team Coaching in Specialty Area GR

Popular Culture GR

Performing Social Activism UG

[hookemATL 11739]

41 minutes ago, Gen. Applewhite said:

It’s all about perspective. I look at this not as an improvement on fries, but as an improvement on the loaded baked potato. 

[Vertigo 20290]

1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

I agree, but on the other side there are a lot of degrees that are arguably a swindle of young peoples future money. Some degrees just shouldn't exist as they have zero post grad value in reality.

Well I for one am on a rocket ship straight to the top of the gender studies field. 

[BurntEyes 5998]

4 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Well I for one am on a rocket ship straight to the top of the gender studies field. 

My LLC is based on Individual, Group, and Team Coaching in Specialty Area

[Dennis Taylor 18829]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Who found a reason to be butthurt about the CFP rankings?   THIS GUY!

  Reveal hidden contents

 

The mental gymnastics executed here to justify getting the shit kicked out of you by a 3 loss team is quite impressive 

[McFly 606]

6 hours ago, nnm said:

As for cheese fries, the best in my book are Snuffers. I got introduced to them when I dated a SMU girl in college. The cheese fries at the OG snuffers on Greenville were amazing. They’re still the best. 

The best in Austin were at Bongo's on 24th. RIP

[BurntEyes 5998]

39 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

The mental gymnastics executed here to justify getting the shit kicked out of you by a 3 loss team is quite impressive 

Well, he is now also shit bagging on ND's ranking, aggies's, I guess, second best loss now?? 

[Pimphand 5758]

On 11/5/2024 at 6:18 PM, RomaVicta said:

 

I was delighted with the trajectory of the Texas program when all our opponents were tearing down their goldposts goalposts in Macovic's last season.

When you lack victory at least breakout the morality!

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

6 hours ago, Deej said:

If they really want to make a large cut to LGBTQ+, they should get rid of the corps of cadets and the yell leaders. 

who picks up the cost of the cosplay?  the character actors, or the school?

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

4 hours ago, bolverk said:

The aggy Battalion student newspaper has a full list of the programs.

https://thebatt.com/center/board-of-regents-to-vote-on-mandating-minor-certificate-eliminations/

It's worth a read, because it goes into what made the process controversial and "unprecedented," being that faculty were not included in the process, which is apparently the norm in these situations.

 

Impacted Programs

Minors:

• Geophysics UG
• Chemical Engineering UG
• Petroleum Engineering UG
• Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG
• Aerospace Engineering UG
• Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG
• Engineering Concepts UG
• Maritime Studies UG

 

killing these minors is great for us but stupid for them

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

3 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

The mental gymnastics executed here to justify getting the shit kicked out of you by a 3 loss team is quite impressive 

and we're overrated because reasons

[Steel Shank 9426]

I would bet that Kristen actually enjoys the banana in the tailpipe.

She does

[General Specific 3262]

who picks up the cost of the cosplay?  the character actors, or the school?

Yes.

[General Specific 3262]

DP

[Deej 76800]

2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

who picks up the cost of the cosplay?  the character actors, or the school?

Well, Texas A&M is cosplaying as a real university 

[VandyHorn 42]

8 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

If they lose to Texas A&M, their best win of the year would be over Vanderbilt

If we beat Texas A&M, our best win of the year would be over Vanderbilt

[jimmyjazz 45963]

In case anyone cares, A&M engineering has exactly twice as many students per professor (56) as UT (28).  Yay, legislature.

[Pancho 44830]

9 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I don't know enough about the upcoming reviews to comment.. but I can't see any value in the debt accumulation for a LGBTQ+ studies major anywhere but... particularly in College Station.. 

 

9 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

More info on cuts

Well, first it was aggie board of regents that made the choice. It was 38 programs, didn't find a list. Faculty had no input allegedly. 

To me this appears to be aggie state reps using their power to "unwoke" aggie academics. 

This is ebbing quickly into CR so I'll just note that I don't see Texas board of regents following the same path as aggie board of regents. Then again, I know shit and I'm apt to go full regard.. so..

 

8 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

I strongly believe that those kind of reviews are needed at basically every university.

 

As I posted in the higher ed thread,

 

Removing programs/degrees/certificates is more locally done within that department by faculty long with their dean. You get as much data and information as you can and make a determination. If it’s deemed the program/degree/certificates should be deleted or eliminated, then that’s a process that takes a few years because you have to ensure it won’t impact students who are already in the middle of completing that program/degree/certificate.

BoRs and Presidents/Chancellors do not get involved in curriculum. That is overreach. 

 

And as I’ve posted here before, programs get reviewed on a cycle in higher ed. 

[Pancho 44830]

6 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Counter point/question:  do LGBTQ+ studies profs make the same salaries as business/STEM profs (for example)?  I realize that prof salary isn't the only cost, but it's surely part of the math.

 

A faculty member’s salary is determined by several factors but mostly it’s if you’re tenured, tenure track, or lecturer (for 4-years).

[jimmyjazz 45963]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

A faculty member’s salary is determined by several factors but mostly it’s if you’re tenured, tenure track, or lecturer (for 4-years).

Ha!  My father's salary was determined by the fact that he didn't want to do research.  Tenured Civil Engineering prof, I made more than him (~$43K) my first day out of grad school.  He won dozens of "best teacher" awards over his career, which had exactly zero financial impact.

[Dennis Taylor 18829]

1 hour ago, General Specific said:

DP

Yeah probably sometimes 

[SHOOTER12 8810]

6 hours ago, bolverk said:

The aggy Battalion student newspaper has a full list of the programs.

https://thebatt.com/center/board-of-regents-to-vote-on-mandating-minor-certificate-eliminations/

It's worth a read, because it goes into what made the process controversial and "unprecedented," being that faculty were not included in the process, which is apparently the norm in these situations.

 

Impacted Programs

Minors:

• Global Art Design GR
• Global Culture and Society UG
• Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and Queer Studies UG
• Asian Studies UG
• Geophysics UG
• Comparative Cultural Studies U.S. UG
• Chemical Engineering UG
• Petroleum Engineering UG
• Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG
• Aerospace Engineering UG
• Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG
• Engineering Concepts UG
• Maritime Studies UG
• Global Health UG
   

Certificates:

• Regulatory Science in Food Systems UG
• Cultural Competency UG
• Landscape Management UG
• Watershed UG
• Facility Asset Management GR
• Transportation Planning GR
• Community Development GR
• Diversity UG
• Petroleum Geoscience GR
• Geoscience Data Management GR
• Computational Sciences GR
• Environmental and Engineering Geology GR
• Business Economics UG
• Quantitative Economic
• Communication and Global
• Cybersecurity Engineering GR
• Electric Energy Systems GR
• Energy Technology, Law and Policy GR
• Subsea Engineering GR
• Engineering Concept, Creation, and Commercialization GR
• Engineering Therapeutics Manufacturing GR
• International Petroleum Management GR
• Corrosion Science and Engineering GR
• Energy Engineering UG
• Cybersecurity Policy GR
• Latino Mental Health GR
• Individual, Group, and Team Coaching in Specialty Area GR
• Post-Secondary Science Teaching GR
• Maritime Business Administration GR
• Analytics GR
• International Business GR
• Capital Markets and Investments Equity UG
• Investment Banking UG
• Investment Banking and Private Equity UG
• Banking Services UG
• Health Systems Management GR
• Popular Culture GR
• Performing Social Activism UG

 

PROFESSIONAL STUDENTS. 

looking at all the affected program etc made me think of an aunt of mine. She hold multiple doctorates and masters in many diverse areas, yet has never made a dime off of any of them as she has never worked a day in her life.

As all of the family was incredibly curious,  a couple of us finally got up the courage to ask why.

Turns out she was born to an impoverished family (which we knew) and was always embarrassed by that along with her early lack of education. What none of us knew until then was that she had an insatiable desire to learn, it's what gave her joy in life. Her husband, a '57 UT graduate understood that and let her pursue her passion...learning. Now despite her advanced age, she can talk with anyone about damned near anything. God Bless her and her millionaire husband, and by the way....all of their degrees are from the University of Texas in Austin. 

HOOK 'EM

 

[demos 3003]

DP

You’re turning on the milk men.

[The University 851]

lmfao at the resell market for the aggy game. it's the superest of superbowls for those bucked tooth hillbilly pud slappers.

 

Edited November 9 by The University

[RomaVicta 29909]

12 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

This is a ridiculous statement.  Even if your goal for higher education is 100% financial, there are plenty of studies showing that a college degree is an extremely positive NPV investment, even without controlling for major.

It's a ridiculous statement that the price of attending a public university is obscenely high? 

[GringoSalado 1651]

It was barely worth the $50 I paid for it but I'm sure it is worth $1,000 now. But anyway you fuckers are on my grass.

[Leanderman 2275]

Really glad to see the gomers did not remove "Rental Car Mangement " from the list. The gomers still have a career path after they graduate from that diploma mill.

[ABSR 5315]

21 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I agree, but on the other side there are a lot of degrees that are arguably a swindle of young peoples future money. Some degrees just shouldn't exist as they have zero post grad value in reality.

I would agree, but caveat it that while the degree/major may go away, most of the classes should still be available.   I would think that getting a degree in sociology with a minor or focus on gender studies, would provide better future employment options while still having a focus someone desires.   Now honestly, not sure how great employment is for a sociology degree, but with that it has to be better not to be incredibly limited in what the degree says.

But this is just a Dad who has kids going to college who wants them to find a path to success so they can return home to visit and not need to live with us full time.

[BurntEyes 5998]

27 minutes ago, ABSR said:

I would agree, but caveat it that while the degree/major may go away, most of the classes should still be available.   I would think that getting a degree in sociology with a minor or focus on gender studies, would provide better future employment options while still having a focus someone desires.   Now honestly, not sure how great employment is for a sociology degree, but with that it has to be better not to be incredibly limited in what the degree says.

But this is just a Dad who has kids going to college who wants them to find a path to success so they can return home to visit and not need to live with us full time.

MOST folks with Sociology degrees go on to be Surly 1%ers that own their own companies.. well.. maybe some.. okay.. I'm not a Surly 1%er but do own my own company. Leave me alone!

On a serious note, Sociology degree with a deeper dive in Social Media Marketing/Management or polling methodology and funding is better applicable post grad training path.

Tying over into social media/business/politics is a better path than diving deeper into a specific niche unless you're planning on grad school with a potential Thesis around that area of specialization/focus. 

Edited November 9 by BurntEyes

[Magus Ossis 2800]

16 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

MOST folks with Sociology degrees go on to be Surly 1%ers that own their own companies.. well.. maybe some.. okay.. I'm not a Surly 1%er but do own my own company. Leave me alone!

On a serious note, Sociology degree with a deeper dive in Social Media Marketing/Management or polling methodology and funding is better applicable post grad training path.

Tying over into social media/business/politics is a better path than diving deeper into a specific niche unless you're planning on grad school with a potential Thesis around that area of specialization/focus. 

All the young Surlyites should be getting into nursing school if they can.  Seriously, though. Become anesthesia APNs and get hired starting at minimum 100/hr.

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

16 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

killing these minors is great for us but stupid for them

my edit didn't appear like i wanted

aggy are eliminating 20ish minors, but eliminating the following makes zero sense

 

Geophysics UG

Chemical Engineering UG

Petroleum Engineering UG

Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG

Aerospace Engineering UG

Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG

Engineering Concepts UG

Maritime Studies UG

 

PE major but you can't add a Maritime minor?

ChemE but you can't add an ASE minor?

 

this makes no sense

[Magus Ossis 2800]

10 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

my edit didn't appear like i wanted

aggy are eliminating 20ish minors, but eliminating the following makes zero sense

 

Geophysics UG

Chemical Engineering UG

Petroleum Engineering UG

Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG

Aerospace Engineering UG

Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG

Engineering Concepts UG

Maritime Studies UG

 

PE major but you can't add a Maritime minor?

ChemE but you can't add an ASE minor?

 

this makes no sense

I saw the list. In fairness, who minors in petroleum engineering? It had never occurred to me that one would minor in engineering at all.

[BurntEyes 5998]

15 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

my edit didn't appear like i wanted

aggy are eliminating 20ish minors, but eliminating the following makes zero sense

 

Geophysics UG

Chemical Engineering UG

Petroleum Engineering UG

Design and Simulation of Mechanic Systems UG

Aerospace Engineering UG

Analysis, Design and Management of Energy Conversion Systems UG

Engineering Concepts UG

Maritime Studies UG

 

PE major but you can't add a Maritime minor?

ChemE but you can't add an ASE minor?

 

this makes no sense

Yeah I'm with Opus on this one. I admit, I dropped out of EE cause it was boring but I can't see having a minor in second engineering degree. In fact, I would submit broadening horizons by business engagement or something more in a "teams building" would be better. Or, "Getting along better with others for Engineering Majors".

We've completely derailed this thread.

Edited November 9 by BurntEyes

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1501]

I saw the list. In fairness, who minors in petroleum engineering? It had never occurred to me that one would minor in engineering at all.

Correct. Engineering is a major. In fact it requires so many classes, that there are barely any discretionary electives, so you generally wouldn’t minor in anything. This is the first I’ve ever heard of engineering minors. Maybe it was some watered down aggy program to allow waterheads to claim they have engineering degrees.