Tell Me About Texas a&m

[C'Mon Man 40]

Dabo is such a similar hire to what Fisher was that I doubt they do it again. 

But that would be the most on-brand hire they could make. It would also fail hilariously.

I think they ultimately go with Elko. If they feel like he can prevent a mass exodus in the portal and retain some of the pieces of the staff, that will be too good to pass up since they believe they have the talent to win big now. Long term I don't think Elko would be the solution there but he's somewhat low-risk now and I think there's some apprehension or even lack of funds after Fisher to take another big swing

[South Austin 52,463]

To me Elko feels like the logical choice in the way that Tom Herman was for Texas in 2016.  There's no other big name at a top tier program that will go to aggy, he has a connection to aggy, and a lot of folks are impressed with the relative success he's had at a usually-fledgling football program.  Very similar to the circumstances of the Herman hire.  

[TejasPedro 1,857]

Unless that boat rowing SOB is going to College Station, there has never been a better fit for a coach at Texas A&M than this guy.

 

[89Horn 1,514]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Talked to an aggy friend yesterday evening. His thoughts.

Everyone in CFB at the time was convinced that Jimbo was a great hire. It wasn't a bad decision.

The firing of Jimbo shows aggy commitment to excellence.

He expects the next hire to be big.

Elko and Traylor are beneath aggy. It will be an Urban type hire. Also, Traylor is a tsip hack.

 

I wish I had more aggy friends like this.  It would add just a little more unexpected joy to life.  Unfortunately, I have a 2%er aggy brother in law and a few other well-educated, intelligent, rationally thinking aggy friends that went to the school solely for an engineering degree.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

Elko is a good DC so at least their defenses would be good. Same with Patterson

Dabo would be Jimbo 2: Ectopic Boogaloo 

 

[BB65 478]

Head Coach: Gary Patterson

OC: Kliff Kingsbury

You heard it here first!

[F250 28,766]

25 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

They should really just take the dog on a trip to sniff every candidate and choose the one she sniffs the most.

They will end up hiring Mark Mangino.

 

[Scheiss Meister 8,407]

With his connection to Del Conte, would aggy really go after Patterson?  The first bad game they would be screaming about a sip conspiracy to keep them down.

[markstanco 12,574]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

 

Elko and Traylor are beneath aggy. It will be an Urban type hire. Also, Traylor is a tsip hack.

 

Did you tell your friend that he has two kids ENROLLED AT AGGY

Edited November 15, 2023 by markstanco

[PvilleStang 2,875]

2 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

With his connection to Del Conte, would aggy really go after Patterson?  The first bad game they would be screaming about a sip conspiracy to keep them down.

Hey, built in excuses, why not?!

[F250 28,766]

1 minute ago, markstanco said:

Did you tell your friend that he has two kids ENROLLED AT AGGY

I did. Apparently he engaged in a lot of negative recruiting against aggy while coaching at Texas so he is a secret tsip that can't be trusted.

Also, because his coordinators keep getting poached by P5's it means he is a general manager type coach that relies on his coordinators and not like Jimbo or Sumlin that can run an offense.

That last part didn't make sense to me either.

 

 

[LateAughtsHorn 588]

30 minutes ago, C'Mon Man said:

Dabo is such a similar hire to what Fisher was that I doubt they do it again. 

But that would be the most on-brand hire they could make. It would also fail hilariously.

I think they ultimately go with Elko. If they feel like he can prevent a mass exodus in the portal and retain some of the pieces of the staff, that will be too good to pass up since they believe they have the talent to win big now. Long term I don't think Elko would be the solution there but he's somewhat low-risk now and I think there's some apprehension or even lack of funds after Fisher to take another big swing

To be fair, Dabo proved more over a longer period of time than Jimbo ever did. He was basically pre-VY mack before DeShawn Watson came along. 

[Parliament 14,254]

I have friends who are ancillary CFB fans and call me when something big happens.  They ask me, “Just tell me what to think.”

Two guys said today, “Coach Prime to Aggy!  What do you think!?”

I told them Aggies are racists with little man syndrome and sent them some Yell Leader vids.  Always awesome to open a person’s eyes.

ETA

I covered the nut-grabbing and jizz jars too of course.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Parliament

[Pimphand 5,735]

2 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I have friends who are ancillary CFB fans and call me when something big happens.  They ask me, “Just tell me what to think.”

Two guys said today, “Coach Prime to Aggy!  What do you think!?”

I told them Aggies are racists with little man syndrome and sent them some Yell Leader vids.  Always awesome to open a person’s eyes.

Last ever Hobbiton yell practice....
 

 

[MrBig 5,395]

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

[mannewers 549]

Last I checked ole Gare was still married right? Still buds with CDC? No fucking way he is going to Collie.

[LateAughtsHorn 588]

2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

Good chance his stock is never higher. May as well cash in now. 

[Pimphand 5,735]

So many questions.....

[Pimphand 5,735]

[South Austin 52,463]

7 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Last ever Hobbiton yell practice....
 

 

I'm a lawyer, and I believe this video is a material disclosure aggy must legally make to any potential coaching hire.

[Pimphand 5,735]

10 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/its-time-for-uw-to-lock-up-coach-kalen-deboer-for-the-long-haul/

[Js1 85,307]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Talked to an aggy friend yesterday evening. His thoughts.

Everyone in CFB at the time was convinced that Jimbo was a great hire. It wasn't a bad decision.

The firing of Jimbo shows aggy commitment to excellence.

He expects the next hire to be big.

Elko and Traylor are beneath aggy. It will be an Urban type hire. Also, Traylor is a tsip hack.

 

Funny, I went to lunch and Space Center Houston with two aggy friends yesterday. They are pretty resigned to it being Elko or grossly overpaying for Dabo and know they don’t have a chance of a Lanning or anyone like that. 

But one is from Houston and used to sports disappointments and the other is from Dallas and used to mediocrity since she was born. So it kind of fits. 

Both were extremely annoyed by the firing of Jimbo slowly bc of the guaranteed money and they’re not donating to the AD just to help pay for that. 

[Dennis Taylor 18,812]

12 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

 

[South Austin 52,463]

Two aspects of the aggy job that I could see more appealing for DeBoer than UDub:

1.  Better area for recruiting.

2.  Travel in the new Big10-ish conference is going to be a bitch.

[Beau Vine 54,210]

17 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

I'm kind of concerned about this as well.   Washington's problem is that of all their mega-wealthy alums, none of them are big sports fans.  We don't have a Phil Knight to throw money at athletic problems.

[Beau Vine 54,210]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

2.  Travel in the new Big10-ish conference is going to be a bitch.

For football?  Nah.   You're replacing a bunch of 2-3 hour weekend charter flights with 4-hour weekend charter flights.  Big woo.

[Tex-19 2,872]

17 minutes ago, MrBig said:

I still say it’s DeBoer. He makes less than Deion, Chip Kelly, even the Oregon State and Cal coaches. He’s gone once Penix is gone. 

You're assuming UW won't offer him a raise, which is definitely not true. ATM doesn't have to just beat his current salary, they have to beat whatever extension UW offers, plus pay a $12mm buyout. UW is also about to get that Big 10 TV money next year which could fund a new salary easily.

Looking at other factors - ATM has a better recruiting base in TX and more NIL cash. But UW is objectively a more successful program with plenty of NIL potential in Seattle. Plus he'd be starting over with always brings risk. And personally, Deboer has always lived/worked in the Northwest/Midwest. His daughter is also committed to play softball at UW. So moving to College Station probably isn't too appealing.

Now, I'm not saying there's a 0% chance, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

[LonghornBreeder 550]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Talked to an aggy friend yesterday evening. His thoughts.

Everyone in CFB at the time was convinced that Jimbo was a great hire. It wasn't a bad decision.

The firing of Jimbo shows aggy commitment to excellence.

He expects the next hire to be big.

Elko and Traylor are beneath aggy. It will be an Urban type hire. Also, Traylor is a tsip hack.

 

This really highlights Aggies' main issue. Little brother syndrome is a b****. If you can't recognize it and admit it, you can't overcome it.

Their little brother syndrome causes them to lack faith in all the benefits of their program... and there are some. They like to brag about their money and their facilities and their fans.

There's no reason a great up-and-coming coach (like Traylor or Elko, or name the hottest coordinator-of-the-month) couldn't come in there and kill it. But they have their head so far up their ass, the only thing they can think of is to pay somebody else's superstar coach $10 million to come work for them.

Aggy gonna Aggy. I can't wait to see which burnt-out NC coach gets a huge retirement bonus next.

[South Austin 52,463]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

For football?  Nah.   You're replacing a bunch of 2-3 hour weekend charter flights with 4-hour weekend charter flights.  Big woo.

Sure, but the 3-4 time zone differences can suck.  And it's not just for games, it's for recruiting as well.  

[Tex-19 2,872]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

For football?  Nah.   You're replacing a bunch of 2-3 hour weekend charter flights with 4-hour weekend charter flights.  Big woo.

I think Deboer is from the midwest too. He might even like being in the Big 10.

3 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I'm kind of concerned about this as well.   Washington's problem is that of all their mega-wealthy alums, none of them are big sports fans.  We don't have a Phil Knight to throw money at athletic problems.

True for NIL but can't the extra money from the Big 10 TV deal easily pay for a big raise in his salary? Doesn't seem like you even need donors.

[TexMexBuddha 987]

Phat Gary... I saw the Twit, would he take the Aggy job?

[cmontexas 3,270]

If Patterson wants to coach again I bet he goes to Baylor

[Sir Ulrich 5,187]

1 minute ago, Tex-19 said:

I think Deboer is from the midwest too. He might even like being in the Big 10.

True for NIL but can't the extra money from the Big 10 TV deal easily pay for a big raise in his salary? Doesn't seem like you even need donors.

They are only going to make around 30 million for the first few years and they don't have knight to fill the gap. Not saying he would take the a&m job but there is a huge gap in the UW money and what the ags can offer

[Dennis Taylor 18,812]

1 minute ago, Tex-19 said:

I think Deboer is from the midwest too. He might even like being in the Big 10.

True for NIL but can't the extra money from the Big 10 TV deal easily pay for a big raise in his salary? Doesn't seem like you even need donors.

 

[Tex-19 2,872]

1 minute ago, Dennis Taylor said:

 

Is South Dakota Midwest lol? But yeah exactly my point - everything on there is Midwest or Northwest

[Js1 85,307]

2 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

If Patterson wants to coach again I bet he goes to Baylor

I'll believe Baylor is open when I see it.

Baylor and the BMDs just dropped/committed $90 million for the new football center and $125 million for the new basketball arena (city ponied up $65 million of the total cost)

[DanTheHorn 4,922]

56 minutes ago, F250 said:

They will end up hiring Mark Mangino.

 

You have not seen the latest photos have you.

[Pimphand 5,735]

10 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

For football?  Nah.   You're replacing a bunch of 2-3 hour weekend charter flights with 4-hour weekend charter flights.  Big woo.

Yeah it's the non-rev sports that are the problem.  I still feel like non-rev sports should all be in regional conferences then football should abandon the conference model entirely and just pick 64 teams that have to maintain a standard of excellence or face relegation.  You then must play 10 games from the pool of 64 with up to 3 locked annual rivalries.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Pimphand

[Sir Ulrich 5,187]

Listened to Billy on Texags radio. Here are some basic notes 

• Lanning's total buyout is closer to $50 million all in
• Kiffin wants the job but they don't want him (LOL)
• Schumann won't be a candidate. Not on the Lanning/Smart track right now
• DeBoer will get a real look but not sure if they could hire him (he has a $12 million buyout).
• ERob could end up being a real candidate especially if they beat LSU. 

[CoTex 1,160]

If I'm leaving UW for CS, it is because I got moneywhipped.  If the money is even, daughter coming for softball, and I'm prospering.  No move.

If however, they came through with some blockbuster deal - guaranteed money for 10 years, no offset, all the gravy a coach could ever ask for, I'm moving wherever.  The question then becomes, "would the leadership of a large university ever do something like that?"  Would they ever be so desperate to win that they would agree to a lopsided deal like that?  I guess we'll see.

[Deej 76,758]

So they won't play the sovereign immunity card against Jimbo until they make the new hire, correct? 

[gofuckyourself 8,209]

New article excoriating aggy for their financial idiocy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/11/15/jimbo-fisher-buyout-texas-am/

Maybe there should be an aggy subforum, within lulz, archiving the Aggy greatest hits and the subsequent media coverage as they awaken to their "culture" and collectively say "what in the actual fuck?"

[TrashMaster G 17,551]

32 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

Wtf am I looking at?

1 minute ago, gofuckyourself said:

New article excoriating aggy for their financial idiocy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/11/15/jimbo-fisher-buyout-texas-am/

Maybe there should be an aggy subforum, within lulz, archiving the Aggy greatest hits and the subsequent media coverage as they awaken to their "culture" and collectively say "what in the actual fuck?"

Paywall.  Got the article?

[Born Burnt 6,177]

2 hours ago, Born Burnt said:

One of my favorite Texags posts happened right before the 2022 season started...

I asked ChatGPT to write a poem titled "The Glint in Jimbo's Eye"

In Aggieland, where hopes ran high, 
Jimbo Fisher aimed to touch the sky. 
But seasons passed with dwindling gleam, 
Success, a fleeting, distant dream.

Though promises echoed bold and clear, 
Victories waned, disappointment near. 
The glint in Jimbo's eye grew faint, 
As losses marked each hard-won plaint.

His tenure marked by unmet aims, 
Amidst the roar of football games. 
In Aggieland, a tale was writ, 
Where dreams fell short, where hope would flit.

For triumphs sought remained unsung, 
And disappointment weighed, heavy-hung. 
In Texas A&M's chronicle, why,
The chapter lingers, the glint did die.

[alincoln 2,371]

12 minutes ago, LonghornBreeder said:

This really highlights Aggies' main issue. Little brother syndrome is a b****. If you can't recognize it and admit it, you can't overcome it.

I wouldn't say that is their biggest issue.  The disturbingly bizarre "cult"ure together with being located in an absolute shithole are their biggest issues.

[Dennis Taylor 18,812]

1 minute ago, Tex-19 said:

Is South Dakota Midwest lol? But yeah exactly my point - everything on there is Midwest or Northwest

I guess...? Just posted so his whole career was shown, I wasn't trying to prove or disprove anything.  I just think UW is historically a better program and will step up to keep him. aggy has got to be considered a coaching graveyard with the last 4 HCs having basically .500 records in conference (screw all the cupcake games). But coaches are by nature self-confident and their agents are by nature greedy so who knows. 

[Surly Bevo 24,908]

Talked to an aggy friend yesterday evening. His thoughts.
Everyone in CFB at the time was convinced that Jimbo was a great hire. It wasn't a bad decision.
The firing of Jimbo shows aggy commitment to excellence.
He expects the next hire to be big.
Elko and Traylor are beneath aggy. It will be an Urban type hire. Also, Traylor is a tsip hack.
 

The funny thing is in and of itself Jimbo wasn’t some spectacular hire but he was more than fine.

It was the cult of aggy with the ridiculous contract, the failure to acknowledge the warts (almost all hires have them to some degree) and the irrational exuberance that is what took a fine hire and made it disastrous.

Everything aggy touches dies. They will do it again.

[Dennis Taylor 18,812]

4 minutes ago, CoTex said:

If I'm leaving UW for CS, it is because I got moneywhipped.  If the money is even, daughter coming for softball, and I'm prospering.  No move.

If however, they came through with some blockbuster deal - guaranteed money for 10 years, no offset, all the gravy a coach could ever ask for, I'm moving wherever.  The question then becomes, "would the leadership of a large university ever do something like that?"  Would they ever be so desperate to win that they would agree to a lopsided deal like that?  I guess we'll see.

You mean again, right?

[Tex-19 2,872]

17 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

They are only going to make around 30 million for the first few years and they don't have knight to fill the gap. Not saying he would take the a&m job but there is a huge gap in the UW money and what the ags can offer

Gotcha. But how much are they making in their current PAC deal? I assume less than $30. And they know that number is jumping to $50+ in the future.

edit: think I fuond the answer - they get $37mm total from the PAC-12 (TV and other stuff) and expect $45mm in year 1 of the Big 10. Then $62mm in a couple years.

Big Ten: $62 million for Oregon and Washington if they join Big Ten? Analyzing the current conference distribution value in Pac 4 (sportskeeda.com)

Edited November 15, 2023 by Tex-19

[gofuckyourself 8,209]

5 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

Wtf am I looking at?

Paywall.  Got the article?

Weird. It was unrestricted on mine.

Here ya go:

Texas A&M football will pay any price, but winning can’t be bought

Quote

Usually, there is a logic to money. It’s a marker, a commonly understood measure of value, established by the consent of those who exchange it. It signals what’s important to people, what they treasure or need. But Texas A&M’s preposterous buyout of Jimbo Fisher, paying him around $76 million not to coach, robs dollars of meaning. It detaches them from any rationale or coherence, renders them mere tokens. Things that should mean the most are valued the least, and coin has all the worth of tiddlywinks.

The fevered members of the 12th Man Foundation have been hurling their oil-and-gas-sodden bucks at the Aggies football program for decades without buying a thing of real significance. They have built a locker room with recessed LED lighting; provided every comfort for their star-studded recruiting classes, including air conditioning on the practice field; and made their coach the highest paid in his realm. But none of it has made Texas A&M a factor in the championship race.

Why? A Texas fan would say, “Because they’re Aggies.” A more dispassionate answer would be that surfeit doesn’t make success. When you break the meaning of money, what you’re liable to get in return is … nothing.

Money in this era is really an abstraction, a “vocabulary of price,” according to Harvard political economist Christine Desan, author of a history of our banking system, “Making Money: Coin, Currency, and the Coming of Capitalism.” Its value is no longer realistically attached to precious material such as gold and silver. Paper money is multiplied and circulated by profit-seeking banks, which have “effectively emptied it of living content.” It has become “more interesting for what it does than is,” Desan asserts. And Texas A&M is an interesting case study of what it can — and can’t — do.

The broad outrage and derision directed at Texas A&M for its buyout of Fisher are not just based in the collective sense that a public university has such badly disordered priorities but in a perception that there is something broadly destructive in its behavior, something … bankrupting. In 2021, the school gave Fisher a ludicrous contract extension, a 10-year deal fully guaranteed at $9 million per year. By 2031, Fisher will have been paid $118.1 million for six years of fair-to-middling work, with a record of 45-25. It’s more than triple any other college coaching buyout, ever.

Money is a measure of respect, among other things. But there is something inversely contemptuous and disrespectful in Texas A&M’s profligacy, a suggestion that a college football team is no more or less a worthwhile pursuit than any other rich man’s ridiculously expensive status acquisition, such as his yacht size. Many of the school’s donors and regents, the people who hired and fired Fisher, are self-made successes in oil and gas. Yet when it comes to Texas A&M football, they invoke none of the principles that actually make for success on a team or in any other organization — such as fiscal integrity, stable values and alignment around central cultural tenets. Instead, they lose all discipline.

That’s the sure sign that they don’t respect the game or find much actual instructive or philosophical value in it. One of the things football can teach is organizational dynamics. Texas A&M apparently has learned nothing.

When you break the meaning of “value,” it creates a cascade of deteriorating values, organizationally. Fisher was paid so much that it skewed perspectives across the board. Given the size of his contract, he didn’t dare go about this in any other way but the one modeled by his employers: He had to scoop every available blue-chipper to show he was “winning” in the recruiting wars. How many times was his instinct or inclination to go for a lesser-rated but desirous kid smothered by the specter of contractual and donor expectations? How much did he forfeit chemistry for a surfeit of talent? According to ESPN, the Aggies signed 70 players ranked in the top 300 under Fisher, behind only Alabama, Georgia and Ohio State, and in 2022, they had the No. 1 recruiting class overall. And yet.

A contract such as that bleeds into everything, not just recruiting but handling grievances, allocating resources, motivating — and diagnosing problems and deciding what to do about them. It can rob you of decisional flexibility. The people who pay you tend to think they can offer you suggestions or even tell you what to do. Pretty soon, your ability to make your own assessments and cope with crisis can be compromised by the wishes of others. Is that why Fisher’s coaching performance deteriorated so significantly after his 2021 extension, despite strong recruiting? The Aggies went just 19-15 after he signed it.

“There was something just not clicking to provide confidence for everyone in the program,” Texas A&M Athletic Director Ross Bjork said. “You have to adapt; you have to evolve. I’m not going to say whether he did or didn’t, but it didn’t work.”

But it sure paid.