Tell Me About Texas a&m

[Hagbard Celine 10867]

sa express paywall:

https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/editorial/article/texas-a-m-bonfire-longhorns-19399644.php&ved=2ahUKEwirgMmdnceFAxWa_8kDHfYhBdsQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3T0X3lnB6HAvZf-i362JOP

[Chopper 17236]

7 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

sa express paywall:

https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/editorial/article/texas-a-m-bonfire-longhorns-19399644.php&ved=2ahUKEwirgMmdnceFAxWa_8kDHfYhBdsQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3T0X3lnB6HAvZf-i362JOP

 

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Editorial: Texas A&M should douse push to revive Bonfire tradition
By Express-News Editorial Board April 14, 2024

From 1909 to 1999, the building and burning of the Aggie Bonfire was synonymous with Texas A&M’s Thanksgiving-weekend rivalry football game with  the University of Texas.

Over the decades, it grew to a five-story stack with up to 8,000 logs, requiring more than 100,000 hours of work and drawing 70,000 fans to its big pregame ceremonies.

Aggie myth decreed that if the stack survived until midnight, the Aggies would beat the Longhorns the following day.

Only the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in November 1963 prevented Texas A&M from going forward with a Bonfire burning.

All that ended with the tragic November 1999 Bonfire collapse, which killed 12 students and seriously injured 27 others.

Even before 1999, however, there were internal debates within the Texas A&M community about whether the Aggie Bonfire tradition should continue.

Injuries were common among Bonfire crews. In 1981, student Wiley Joplin died at the cutting site after falling off a tractor and being crushed under its rear wheels. Joplin's student adviser responded by writing an anti-Bonfire poem, which was published by the student newspaper, the Battalion.

In addition to safety concerns, there  also were environmental objections. In the early 1990s, a group called Aggies Against Bonfire complained about the thousands of trees being killed every year for the purpose of preserving a questionable tradition.

Some warned that if  embers got loose, the fire could spread to nearby residential areas. And those who remembered that Texas A&M is a  place of education pointed out that all those  Bonfire work hours took students away from   class  and did their grades no favors.

But tradition is at the core of Texas A&M’s identity and many Aggies insist on reviving the Bonfire tradition.   

Every year, a small group of students builds an unsanctioned bonfire off campus. Now, with A&M on the verge of renewing its football rivalry with the University of Texas, the Texas A&M University System Board of Regents is considering the return of the Bonfire as an official university event.

That would be a mistake. The environmental damage and safety risks connected with the Bonfire are good enough reasons for Texas A&M to leave this tradition in the past and focus on creating new traditions.

We understand the meaning that the Bonfire carries for some former students.  The late Texas A&M historian Henry Dethloff once said that for graduates and students, Bonfire was “the centerpiece of their affection for A&M.”

There has been some suggestion that if Bonfire returns as a university-sanctioned event, a professional construction company could be hired to build it.

That wouldn’t address the environmental impact of the event, and it wouldn’t satisfy traditionalists who believe that the essence of the Aggie Bonfire is that it is a student project.  

One Bonfire crew member put it this way in 1981: “I can’t play football because I’m too small, but I can be out there busting my butt cutting wood while the team is practicing and help them win.”

Aggie traditionalists have fought change many times over the years, whether that meant forsaking the school’s compulsory military requirement, allowing women to enroll or enabling women to join the   Aggie band.

In each case, Texas A&M emerged better for the change.

This past generation of Aggie students have grown accustomed to the idea that Bonfire is no longer an official university event. Texas A&M should leave this tradition in the past.    
April 14, 2024
By Express-News Editorial Board

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

56 minutes ago, BlueGreySky said:

One of my athletes is considering aggy.  I am doing my best to educate him and his dad on the disaster that decision would be.  First time in 17 years of coaching I've had someone heavily consider aggy.  He's T&F, 800/400 runner, so granted that skews his decision.

A good friend of my son's is a middle distance guy for UT.  Are we that far behind A&M that we're not an option?  Look at indoor, that appears to be the case.  Same for outdoor?

Edited April 16 by jimmyjazz

[Redneck Mutha 7984]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

A good friend of my son's is a middle distance guy for UT.  Are we that far behind A&M that we're not an option?  Look at indoor, that appears to be the case.  Same for outdoor?

According to the wikis, we had guys take 2nd and 9th in the 800 at the NCAA outdoors last year.

Neither team placed a guy in the 400.

Advantage A&M

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NCAA_Division_I_Outdoor_Track_and_Field_Championships

[Beau Vine 54246]

There's a good chance that we're gonna witness an incredible NewArmy-OldArmy schism over this.

It's like New Army just doesn't understand that there is no more glorious way to die than crushed under tons of logs that fell because of engineering malfeasance, abdication of oversight, and gin you wine Old Army incompetence.

[Pimphand 5761]

On 4/12/2024 at 11:01 AM, South Austin said:

Someone tell Elko that's not how the roller coaster works.

They really should bring back Franchione so he can bring back the VIP Connection newsletter.

[Pimphand 5761]

On 4/15/2024 at 9:22 AM, NoName said:

at this point, i fully expect the process to be

• A&M announces they will bring back the bonfire back on campus in the dumbest way possible (likely right in front of the memorial) and the dumbest concept possible (propane fire over metal fake logs so it's "safe" but with a real burnt orange outhouse that actually burns)
• national media gets a whiff of it, and starts asking questions
• everything A&M thought they escaped 25 years ago gets brought back up, including their institutional negligence
• current students start asking questions and making a ton of comments about it, a few tiktoks go viral
• national media starts talking about it even more, asking more questions and reporting on the negligence. they do in home interviews with some of the families whose kids died due to institutional negligence
• A&M announces they are cancelling their revival of the on campus bonfire "out of respect" for the families who had children die

Christopher Lee Heard was my roommate's little brother back when we were living at 400 Lightsey in college Chris came to visit us and his older brother kept harping on him to go to UT and take over the house.  I told Chris not to live his life for his brother but instead to pursue his greatest excitement.  He would do just that and wind up dying in the bonfire not even 24 months later

Still one of the most devastating moments in my life only recently surpassed by the Collins family as my boy Chris lost his dad, all 3 sons, and a nephew.

And yes I hope the bonfire families shut this stupidity down because there is no amount of "tradition" that's worth killing your students over.

Edited April 16 by Pimphand

[Leanderman 2275]

Bonfire again? What could go wrong this time?

[MAUFRAIS 6629]

Posted before, but I still can’t believe it exists.

https://www.aggielandoutfitters.com/products/team-tumble-tower?variant=43485475406041&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&wickedsource=google&wcid=19663132202&wv=4&wickedsource=google&wcid=19663132202&wv=4&gad_source=1

[YGIFS 19450]

I get that it's a licensed Jenga version, but is the gag supposed to be that it's the UT Tower crumbling down or?  I feel like Tom Hanks with the building in "Big"

[deft 6851]

Posted before, but I still can’t believe it exists.

https://www.aggielandoutfitters.com/products/team-tumble-tower?variant=43485475406041&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&wickedsource=google&wcid=19663132202&wv=4&wickedsource=google&wcid=19663132202&wv=4&gad_source=1

[YGIFS 19450]

Is the 13th "thumbs up" represent the student at the base signaling the other 12 that the structure looks fantastic from his vantage point, or?  

[Bill Lumbergh 7171]

On 4/15/2024 at 11:41 AM, closetojumping said:

Carter Karels continues to attempt subtle messages to his aggie readers that their roster is dogshit

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But if a stellar 1,000-yard rusher suddenly became available, A&M would be foolish to pass on him.

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How big of a need: Low.

Analysis: Do not be surprised if the Aggies add an offensive tackle transfer during the spring window. From what we have heard, they will be looking.

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Should a quality center enter the portal, though, A&M might be interested.

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All four A&M running backs bring experience and have proven themselves to be at least serviceable.

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Like their running back unit, the Aggies have a solid group of receivers but might lack a true No. 1 option.

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The Aggie tight end group, like their running back and receiver units, lacks a player with proven elite production.

[YGIFS 19450]

6 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

Bearkake?

[Vic Mackey 47057]

[Biff Tannen 45691]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

Brother?  Yes, this is correct.  180 degrees from reality, but correct.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12297]

12 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Which of you aasholes posted this about aggy on their own site? 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

 

Yeah, the biggest brand in college sports . . .

"Nobody ever goes there any more, it's too crowded."

[Foosters 17858]

is that a little stick figure in a wheelchair booking it the fuck outta there before it collapses?

[tbone_ 14127]

I mean that’s exactly what I’ve been saying about aggy my whole life

[pyrohornIII 4815]

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

Yeah, the biggest brand in college sports . . .

"Nobody ever goes there any more, it's too crowded."

Good place for Finebaum's article.  The headline is misleading for whatever reason.  Should be "STFU Aggies."

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Paul Finebaum explains how the SEC completely screwed Texas A&M

Story by John Buhler

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The SEC is expanding to 16 teams this summer with the additions of Oklahoma and Texas from the Big 12. The last time the SEC expanded to 14 teams, it poached two other schools from the Big 12 in Missouri and Texas A&M. Back in 2014, it was all about acquiring media rights territories. Gaining major cities like Houston, Kansas City and St. Louis were incredibly important to the SEC at the time.

Flash forward a decade later, and here we are. Texas and Oklahoma are undeniably massive brands in college football. While the SEC did not have a program from The Sooner State in its league, A&M had sufficed that from The Lone Star State. Although A&M has a massive little brother complex, it is Texas after all. Then again, Texas A&M may have felt they were promised something to come aboard initially.

Here is what ESPN's Paul Finebaum had to say on "The SEC Podcast" about Texas A&M's "plight".

“They felt that they had been promised Texas would never come in and they were promised Texas would never come in, but things change. It’s A&M’s fault. A&M was so successful in the SEC that Texas said, ‘We want some of that!’ Texas in 2010 was heading to the Pac-12, they had already commandeered a bunch of schools because they wanted to be more in line with the Pac-12 academics, the Stanfords, the Cals, which are now in the ACC."

Texas may have wanted to go somewhere more academic in nature, but football drives the bus...

“They finally realized that we need to do something. Texas could’ve gone to the Big Ten, ACC, all this nonsense that we heard. The SEC did nothing but answer the same phone call that everybody else got. The were on the prowl to leave and were going to go somewhere.”

Texas A&M may feel marginalized with the addition of Texas, but trust me, this is better for everyone.

Texas A&M may feel slighted that SEC decided to add Texas into league

For as much as this may stink for Texas A&M, Gig Em Nation needs to get over it. Texas is coming into their league, whether they like it or not. In the latest wave of conference realignment, the Big Ten and SEC are operating at a level of strength. While the new Big 12 may come out of this okay, everybody's eyes are on the ACC, hoping it is not the next league to collapse like the Pac-12 did after last season.

What you have to remember is that while Texas A&M has a massive fan base, its brand is nowhere near as strong nationally as is Texas'. If an opportunity presents itself for a top-10 brand to come to market, you better believe any conference with a pulse will try to acquire it. The next wave of realignment may be triggered by North Carolina, but Florida State and Clemson are soon to follow.

See, I suspect that for as much as Florida and South Carolina may not like seeing their in-state rivals from the ACC come and join their league, I think they get the bigger picture. The Sunshine Showdown and The Palmetto Bowl being conference games only add to the game's appeal and overall marketability. The Lone Star Showdown between Texas A&M and Texas ended for pettier reasons.

While the SEC made a promise it couldn't keep, Texas A&M still took the money and benefited from it.

This article was originally published on fansided.com as Paul Finebaum explains how the SEC completely screwed Texas A&M.

 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

Does John Buhler have an editor?

[deft 6851]

Or an opinion worth reading?

[tbone_ 14127]

I really wasnt that big on going to the sec. I’m coming around to it though. Especially because it annoys the aggy fucksticks so much.

[YGIFS 19450]

This College of Perversion they mention………they got a rec sports center or…?

[Napoleon 8682]

4 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I really wasnt that big on going to the sec. I’m coming around to it though. Especially because it annoys the aggy fucksticks so much.

Definitely not a fan of the SEC either.

I always wanted us to join the PAC, but sports is so low on the totem pole of things to watch in person and on TV that it is a hard sell. 

The B1G would have been a better academic fit, but the travel would have been hellacious on the kids & fans.

The SEC ultimately made the most sense if football was going to be 95% of the influence on conference selection.

[Longboard Horn 40326]

6 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Texas didn't offer 

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

8 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

From the bottomless aggy "every accusation is a confession" file...

[Beau Vine 54246]

8 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

A&M was so successful in the SEC that Texas said, ‘We want some of that!’

[Armybrat 40850]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

From the bottomless aggy "every accusation is a confession" file...

And everybody knows it except delusional aggy redasses.

[Tex Long 4401]

This College of Perversion, is that under Fine Arts, or Liberal Arts... or another Academic Unit altogether? Are there any special requirements for matriculation? Are batteries included?

So many questions...

[markstanco 12577]

20 hours ago, Chopper said:

One Bonfire crew member put it this way in 1981: “I can’t play football because I’m too small, but I can be out there busting my butt cutting wood while the team is practicing and help them win.”

[TreatyOak 16339]

I didn't live in Texas at the time, so I've been reading about the bonfire tragedy this week due to all the posts here. I can honestly say that the bonfire event and the subsequent tragedy is the most stupid, pointless and Aggy thing of all time. I have to revisit the quote from one of the participants. The criminal negligence and lack of adult-level decision making of this event is astounding. How did the school get off so easy? 

“I believe this is a tragedy that no amount of foresight or no amount of prevention or no amount of anything could have stopped, prevented or even told us what was coming."

[Longboard Horn 40326]

[BlueGreySky 1012]

20 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

A good friend of my son's is a middle distance guy for UT.  Are we that far behind A&M that we're not an option?  Look at indoor, that appears to be the case.  Same for outdoor?

On the contrary.  UT's standards for scholarship/walk-on/tryout for the 800m for men are faster than aggy.  If he can improve this season, I'll be pushing UT as well as my alma matter.

Edited April 17 by BlueGreySky

[BlueGreySky 1012]

3 minutes ago, BlueGreySky said:

ignore

 

Edited April 17 by BlueGreySky

[jimmyjazz 45963]

1 hour ago, BlueGreySky said:

On the contrary.  UT's standards for scholarship/walk-on/tryout for the 800m for men are faster than aggy.

Are those standards published anywhere?

[morehornsepower 887]

11 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Ok, I know this is a dumb question.  And I know the answer is "because aggy"...  But what exactly is it, that they believe we have done *to them*?  Other than things in our own best interest, not specific to them, which all schools are (or should be) doing?

[Deej 76806]

1 minute ago, morehornsepower said:

But what exactly is it, that they believe we have done *to them*? 

It's just that we're big meanies. 

[TrashMaster G 17558]

13 minutes ago, morehornsepower said:

Ok, I know this is a dumb question.  And I know the answer is "because aggy"...  But what exactly is it, that they believe we have done *to them*?  Other than things in our own best interest, not specific to them, which all schools are (or should be) doing?

We exist.

Our name and brand are bigger.

We are more successful.

We have better academics.

Deep in their hearts, they know we are superior in every way that matters.

[pyrohornIII 4815]

4 minutes ago, morehornsepower said:

Ok, I know this is a dumb question.  And I know the answer is "because aggy"...  But what exactly is it, that they believe we have done *to them*?  Other than things in our own best interest, not specific to them, which all schools are (or should be) doing?

It would be interesting to poll A&M fans, UT fans and those who don't have a dog in the hunt and see what the predominant answers are.  And then sort that according to each of those groups.  It 

I would guess aggy would say:

Arrogance, lack of respect (the meanies thing Deej brought up)

UT pays off officials for unfair advantages.

BOMC machine, including LHN

Unequal distribution of PUF

Stockpiling talent in the DKR years

Unfair recruiting in general.

 

But it would be entertaining to see what the different groups thought were the base of the hatred or inferiority.  

Maybe do a similar one for why UT disdains everything aggy.  

 

[Vic Mackey 47057]

41 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

We exist.

Our name and brand are bigger.

We are more successful.

We have better academics.

Deep in their hearts, they know we are superior in every way that matters.

Yep. We haven't done anything to them specifically. In fact, we bent over backwards after their drunken bonfire fiasco to accommodate and they shit on that like the little brother they are. We are the bigger brother who exists and they hate it. Both are allowed to do their own thing and have their own successes. One did and the other didn't. And the one that didn't, despises them for that reason. Had aggy had any sort of success in their history, their disdain for us wouldn't be as much.

OU will always be much more of a rivalry than aggy ever will be. Beating OU means something. Beating aggy doesn't have the same effect. They are just the annoying little brother. Sure, it will be fun to beat them but we have bigger fish to fry. aggy is going to be circling that game every single year. If they go 1-11 but their lone win is UT, successful season for many of their gomer pyle fans.

[BlueGreySky 1012]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Are those standards published anywhere?

runcruit.com

[PvilleStang 2911]

29 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep. We haven't done anything to them specifically. In fact, we bent over backwards after their drunken bonfire fiasco to accommodate and they shit on that like the little brother they are. We are the bigger brother who exists and they hate it. Both are allowed to do their own thing and have their own successes. One did and the other didn't. And the one that didn't, despises them for that reason. Had aggy had any sort of success in their history, their disdain for us wouldn't be as much.

OU will always be much more of a rivalry than aggy ever will be. Beating OU means something. Beating aggy doesn't have the same effect. They are just the annoying little brother. Sure, it will be fun to beat them but we have bigger fish to fry. aggy is going to be circling that game every single year. If they go 1-11 but their lone win is UT, successful season for many of their gomer pyle fans.

I'm kinda with aggy on this.  Let's swap the aggy game to early October, and move the Red River Shootout to Late November (and move the State Fair while we're at it).  I think that's a MUCH better end of season game to look forward to, rather than a bunch of fake army gloryhole goons.

[Newy25 7670]

13 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

“Every cow pasture they walk in” was the giveaway that this was actually one of you guys that wrote this. 

[statsman 5471]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep. We haven't done anything to them specifically. In fact, we bent over backwards after their drunken bonfire fiasco to accommodate and they shit on that like the little brother they are. We are the bigger brother who exists and they hate it. Both are allowed to do their own thing and have their own successes. One did and the other didn't. And the one that didn't, despises them for that reason. Had aggy had any sort of success in their history, their disdain for us wouldn't be as much.

OU will always be much more of a rivalry than aggy ever will be. Beating OU means something. Beating aggy doesn't have the same effect. They are just the annoying little brother. Sure, it will be fun to beat them but we have bigger fish to fry. aggy is going to be circling that game every single year. If they go 1-11 but their lone win is UT, successful season for many of their gomer pyle fans.

Dead on. 
 
Years ago, when the question of who we wanted to win when OU played the Ags came up, I responded, “We want the Ags to win. The Ags take a big win, and then…do nothing with it. They’ll follow it up with a crazy stupid loss. OU, on the other hand, takes one win, and stacks another on top of it, and another, until they have made a season.”

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

On 4/13/2024 at 9:21 AM, Longboard Horn said:

 

 

I too miss the gas prices of the Carter Administration. 

 

 

 

[tejas60 3533]

12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Does John Buhler have an editor?

yes. an aggy grad.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

On 4/16/2024 at 8:16 AM, TreatyOak said:

This actual quote was published in the 2000 Texas Monthly magazine story following the collapse of the bonfire: 

“It is not the Aggie spirit to accept defeat. We do not wish to have these fine Aggies who have given their lives to have died in vain. AGGIE BONFIRE MUST CONTINUE AND DAMN THE TORPEDOES. . . . there must be a continuation of Aggie Bonfires, even if it doesn’t seem wise.”

An Aggie Dad

 

I'm guessing it wasn't one of Aggie Dad's sons who died. 

And aggy could win every football game starting the day after the collapse until the heat death of the universe, and they would still have died in vain. 

 

 

[TreatyOak 16339]

29 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I'm guessing it wasn't one of Aggie Dad's sons who died. 

And aggy could win every football game starting the day after the collapse until the heat death of the universe, and they would still have died in vain. 

Yes, to clarify, that was an actual letter sent to the president of Texas A&M following the collapse. As if continuing that idiotic, destructive waste of time would somehow mean those 12 people who died (and the 27 injured, some losing limbs) didn't "die in vain." That inconsiderate moron can go fuck himself. Young people died for absolutely no good reason whatsoever and families were ruined.