Tell Me About Texas a&m

[Tex Pete 20403]

7 hours ago, Player said:

 

Fitlump fucked a possum?

 

Yes. And?

[futureman 22497]

I think college station and that school and those traditions are more important than football to a lot of aggy.  I foresee an exodus. 

Edited June 27, 2020 by futureman

[Randolph Duke 4034]

8 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Again with the broad brush, they may not be racists. They live and die by their traditions, the ass ugly statue has been a part of that. Why would we think they would be any better educated about the actual history of Sul Ross than they are about anything else.

Do you really think John Sharp, Rick Perry, and the other idiots making the decisions over there don’t know Jefferson Davis was the first person chosen to lead that school?   

Or that the aggy corps uniforms were Confederate gray at first? Or that the place was run by Jefferson Davis loving racists who taught shit such as “the abomination of African citizenship” while also creating a culture that strongly resists reform to this day? When do you think some aggy stood up and recognized all that shit was disgusting and needed to be changed? Ever?

Do you really think they don’t know about the A&M alumni Klan robe collection on campus? 

Do you really think they don’t know about all the racist pictures in the yearbooks and school papers? 

Do you really think most aggys are ignorant as to the culture of the alumni? Do you really think Rick Perry never knew his hunting camp was named “Niggerhead”?

When the ags were forced to integrate, they immediately started granting “legacies” preferential admissions. Do you really think none of the ags figured out when an all-white, all male institution seeks to undermine integration, granting special status to only whites would help accomplish that? 

They know. They have long known. 

They just don’t care. The people who are leading Texas A&M are of that culture and dedicated to preserving it. 

I have no doubt the ags will continue to have a cultural “pecking order” where white males are at the top, white females are below them, and minorities are at the bottom. What isn’t that way today on the aggy campus? 

The information I have ( and was used for aggypedia) largely comes from aggy sources. 

They know their school’s history and they dedicate much of their lives to not allowing it to change. From the racist roots of those who chose Jefferson Davis, to the worthless fucks today. Their culture will not change unless they are forced to, and even after that, they will do all in their power to undermine the rights of women and minorities. 

Its their “tradition.”

Fuck aggy. 

The people of Texas deserve better than Texas A&M. 

Edited June 27, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Randolph Duke 4034]

8 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Again with the broad brush, they may not be racists. They live and die by their traditions, the ass ugly statue has been a part of that. Why would we think they would be any better educated about the actual history of Sul Ross than they are about anything else.

Do you really think John Sharp, Rick Perry, and the other idiots making the decisions over there don’t know Jefferson Davis was the first person chosen to lead that school?

Or that the aggy corps uniforms were Confederate gray at first? Or that the place was run by Jefferson Davis loving racists who taught shit such as “the abomination of African citizenship” while also creating a culture that strongly resists reform to this day? When do you think some aggy stood up and recognized all that shit was disgusting and needed to be changed? Ever? 

Do you really think they don’t know about the A&M alumni Klan robe collection on campus? Or that for years neither Rick Perry or any of his aggy buddies knew Perry’s hunting camp was called “Niggerhead”?

Do you really think they don’t know about all the racist pictures in the yearbooks and school papers? 

Do you really think most aggys are ignorant as to the culture of the alumni? 

When the ags were forced to integrate, they immediately started granting “legacies” preferential admissions. Do you really think none of the ags figured out when an all-white, all male institution seeks to undermine integration, granting special status to only whites would help accomplish that? 

They know. They have long known. 

They just don’t care. 

Fuck aggy 

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Poolflood 845]

Preach Brother Randy!   PREACH!

[Randolph Duke 4034]

Here is a perfect example. An article in The Eagle. The reporter can’t even mention “the gallant negro killer,” segregation of trains, Jaybird-Woodpecker, or any of the pathetic racism that still to this day defines who Lawrence Sullivan Ross was as a person. 

THAT is at the center of the controversy, not Ross’ atrocities fighting native Americans. And they weren't “killed.” It was murder. Documented war crimes against individuals wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army. 

The crux of the controversy has to be intentionally avoided because in aggyland, no one is allowed to speak the truth. At least not in public. Even professional aggy journalists. 

https://www.theeagle.com/sports/watch-now-texas-a-m-athletes-lead-march-for-justice-statue-removal/article_ee7446ce-b82e-11ea-9b1c-4fc5dc60b2fd.html

“Ross was a Confederate general, a Texas Ranger and the 19th governor of Texas. He served as president of Texas A&M from 1891 until his death in 1898. Mond, and those asking for the removal of the statue cite sources that say Ross killed Native Americans and Black Americans while serving in the Civil War and with the Texas Rangers.”

Edited June 27, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Pancho 44860]

7 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, one of those traditions is being racist.  Every school has their fair share of idiots.  Their problem is they never got the fair share of non-idiots.  Read up on any of their message boards and it makes you cringe.  Fuck them.  

I’m actually shocked how other colleges don’t print out some of the shit on the message boards of SEC schools and go “this is how they view you. You wanna play for that?!?”

then I realize SEC recruits = bags 

[Armybrat 40851]

$$$$$ talks.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3121120

“Texas A&M University Department of History Faculty on the Institutional History of Lawrence Sullivan Ross
It has come to our attention that recent calls for removal of the Lawrence Sullivan Ross statue from Academic Plaza are being answered by the Chancellor's office with a document titled "Lawrence Sullivan Ross: Soldier, Statesman, Knightly Gentleman" that is outdated, incomplete, and unreliable. Elements of this partial history are likewise being uncritically repeated in various forums online and elsewhere. Let us be clear, the "real story of Sul Ross," as it was termed in one email, was not produced by the Department of History at Texas A&M University and does not meet the rigorous standards of our discipline (i.e., it is missing attribution, bibliographic citations, and an acknowledgement of varying interpretations, among other flaws).1 Our commitment to the scholarly standards of our profession, as well as to academic and personal integrity, compel us to offer the following statement by way of clarifying, contextualizing, and enriching our collective understanding of Ross as an historical figure.
As historians in the Department of History at Texas A&M University, we find the "real story of Sul Ross" to be unreliable in three important ways.
1. The narrative that is being circulated does not sufficiently explain Ross's role in the displacement, dispossession, and denigration of Indigenous people in Texas. Instead, it relies on: a partial account of his time as a Texas Ranger without the full history of the Ranger force as one that terrorized Indigenous peoples as well as Mexican and African Americans, facile characterizations of Native groups as "friendly" or "hostile," and little consideration of his role in the massacre at Pease Creek and the expulsion of most Native American Texans from their ancestral homelands to Indian Territory.2
2. The narrative makes no mention of Ross's role within and on behalf of the Confederate States of America nor does it even use the term Civil War, referring instead to a "call to duty" and concern for states' rights. What might that duty and those rights be? The leading Texas secessionist, John Marshall, spelled it out in the Austin State Gazette, April 20, 1861: "It is essential to the honor and safety of every poor white man to keep the [N]egro in his present state of subordination and discipline." While the consequences of the Civil War are still unfolding in the present, it is a matter of consensus among professional historians that preservation of an agrarian economy, culture, and society based on human bondage and white supremacy was the primary catalyst for Confederate secession, whether or not a given individual was a slave owner (as was Ross's father and from which he directly benefitted).3 In addition, Texan Confederates' proclivities for
1 We recommend consulting: the American Historical Association's "Statement on the Standards of Professional Conduct."
2 We recommend consulting: Gary Clayton Anderson, The Conquest of Texas: Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land, 1820-1875 (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2005); Paul H. Carlson and Tom Crum,
William Carrigan and Bill Clive, Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928 (New York: Oxford University Press, 2013); David LaVere, The Texas Indians (College Station: Texas A&M University Press, 2004); Monica Muoz Martnez, The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2018).
and Massacre: The Pease River Capture of Cynthia Ann Parker (Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press, 2012);
3
Eighth Census of the United States 1860; National Archives Washington DC, USA; Series Number: M653; Record
Group: Records of the Bureau of the Census; RG29,
2.
1
Myth, Memory,

violence extended to other ethnic groups such as Germans and Tejanos and also to white dissenters from "the cause."4
3. The narrative pointedly disavows any participation in the Ku Klux Klan but does not explain that white supremacist violence characterized the state in the years after Reconstruction far beyond the functioning of any single organization. As a Texas Ranger in his early life and as the Texas governor who oversaw the Rangers later, Ross represented and carried out anti-Mexican, anti-Black, and anti-Indigenous beliefs and policies. These were not hidden attitudes, as one lyric of an official Rangers song attests: "all the Mexkins [sic] ought to be...in a narrow grave just six by three."5 Ross's direct involvement in the so-called Jaybird-Woodpecker War in 1888-89 resulted in the disfranchisement and violent expulsion of Black Americans from Fort Bend County and ensured whites-only primaries and elections for decades to come.6 In these and other actions, Ross was not alone. Anti-Black laws, poll taxes and voter intimidation, and violent attacks against people of color were the primary way that white southerners consolidated their power in the post-Reconstruction era. It is unequivocally true that Ross agreed with, supported, and defended these policies until his death, even as he carried out what might be considered isolated acts of charity towards some communities of color.7
There are many other important historical contexts and bodies of testimony that should be considered in any legitimate accounting of Lawrence Sullivan Ross's life and legacies. Historians have a responsibility to consult myriad sources from multiple perspectives and all those voices cannot always be reconciled. Instead, we must inhabit the uncertainties and contradictions of the human condition and be ever-mindful of how choices made in the past affect our lives in the present. The "real story of Sul Ross" does none of this.
4 We recommend consulting: Dale Baum, The Shattering of Texas Unionism: Politics in the Lone Star State during the Civil War Era (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1998); Walter Buenger, Secession and the Union in Texas (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1984);
5 David Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986 (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1987), 102.
6 Leslie Ann Lovett, "The Jaybird-Woodpecker War: Reconstruction and Redemption in Fort Bend County, Texas, 1869-1889," (M.A. Thesis, Rice University, 1994), 78-79; Pauline Yelderman, "Jaybird-Woodpecker War," Texas State Historical Association Online, https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/wfj01.
7 We recommend consulting: Randolph B. Campbell, Grass-Roots Reconstruction in Texas, 1865-1880 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1997); Eric Foner, Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877 (New York: HarperCollins, rev. ed. 2014); John Hope Franklin, Reconstruction after the Civil War (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 3rd. ed. 2012); John William Gorman, "The Crucible of Freedom: Reconstruction Violence in Texas, 1865-1868 (Ph.D. Dissertation, Texas A&M University, 2019); Jumpin' Jim Crow: Southern Politics from Civil War to Civil Rights, ed. Jane Dailey, Glenda Gilmore, and Bryant Simon (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2000); Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986.
Randolph B. Campbell, An Empire for Slavery: The Peculiar
Institution in Texas, 18211865 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1989); F.R. Lubbock,
Texas: Or, Memoirs of Francis Richard Lubbock, Governor of Texas in War Time, 1861-63. A Personal Experience in
Six Decades in
Business, War, and Politics (Austin, B. C. Jones & co., printers, 1900); Sul Ross, "Life & Adventures," [n.d.], Ross
Family Papers, Baylor University Library; Andrew J. Torget, Seeds of Empire: Cotton, Slavery, and the
Transformation of the Texas Borderlands, 1800-1850 (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2015).
2

The discipline of history itself is rooted in vast inequities, in privileging some forms of knowledge over others. This has changed over time, largely as the result of work by determined individuals and communities whose very voices had been marginalized or ignored. As a profession, we still have far more work to do. But we are also laboring in a moment in which ill- informed opinions and comfortable fictions are trumpeted as examples of serious academic inquiry and against this trend, we protest.
We stand in opposition to the uncritical reverence of historical figures who represent racist, colonialist, and sexist attitudes and policies of the past. We advocate for the careful and unflinching study of our shared history. But we also advocate a compassionate and nuanced approach in the present. We value the Aggie traditions of respect for all members of our communityon campus and beyond, integrity in our work and our livesas teachers, researchers, and mentors, and excellence in our approach to dealing with even the most troubling and traumatic histories our work uncovers.
We study history. We teach history. But we do not worship it. And we do not know how we will be judged by it in the future. But we do know that students, colleagues, and community members feel hurt, frustrated, humiliated, and silenced by the continued pride of place accorded the Ross statue and legacy by the Texas A&M University system.
3

Armando C. Alonzo
Terry H. Anderson
Troy O. Bickham
Carlos Kevin Blanton Cynthia A. Bouton Albert S. Broussard Jonathan Brunstedt Jonathan C. Coopersmith Olga Dror
April Lee Hatfield
Sonia Hernndez
Felipe Hinojosa
Angela Pulley Hudson Violet M. Showers Johnson Walter D. Kamphoefner Kim, Hoi-eun
Brian McAllister Linn Lawrence "Trent" MacNamara Sarah McNamara
Robert P. Resch
Stephen Badalyan Riegg
Brian Rouleau
Rebecca Hartkopf Schloss Daniel L. Schwartz
Anthony N. Stranges
David Vaught
Katherine Unterman
[Updated 6/15]”

Edited June 27, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Sleep off ugly 279]

6 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

ill- informed opinions and comfortable fictions

Aggy summed up perfectly 

[nnm 36472]

1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3121120

“Texas A&M University Department of History Faculty on the Institutional History of Lawrence Sullivan Ross
It has come to our attention that recent calls for removal of the Lawrence Sullivan Ross statue from Academic Plaza are being answered by the Chancellor's office with a document titled "Lawrence Sullivan Ross: Soldier, Statesman, Knightly Gentleman" that is outdated, incomplete, and unreliable. Elements of this partial history are likewise being uncritically repeated in various forums online and elsewhere. Let us be clear, the "real story of Sul Ross," as it was termed in one email, was not produced by the Department of History at Texas A&M University and does not meet the rigorous standards of our discipline (i.e., it is missing attribution, bibliographic citations, and an acknowledgement of varying interpretations, among other flaws).1 Our commitment to the scholarly standards of our profession, as well as to academic and personal integrity, compel us to offer the following statement by way of clarifying, contextualizing, and enriching our collective understanding of Ross as an historical figure.
As historians in the Department of History at Texas A&M University, we find the "real story of Sul Ross" to be unreliable in three important ways.
1. The narrative that is being circulated does not sufficiently explain Ross's role in the displacement, dispossession, and denigration of Indigenous people in Texas. Instead, it relies on: a partial account of his time as a Texas Ranger without the full history of the Ranger force as one that terrorized Indigenous peoples as well as Mexican and African Americans, facile characterizations of Native groups as "friendly" or "hostile," and little consideration of his role in the massacre at Pease Creek and the expulsion of most Native American Texans from their ancestral homelands to Indian Territory.2
2. The narrative makes no mention of Ross's role within and on behalf of the Confederate States of America nor does it even use the term Civil War, referring instead to a "call to duty" and concern for states' rights. What might that duty and those rights be? The leading Texas secessionist, John Marshall, spelled it out in the Austin State Gazette, April 20, 1861: "It is essential to the honor and safety of every poor white man to keep the [N]egro in his present state of subordination and discipline." While the consequences of the Civil War are still unfolding in the present, it is a matter of consensus among professional historians that preservation of an agrarian economy, culture, and society based on human bondage and white supremacy was the primary catalyst for Confederate secession, whether or not a given individual was a slave owner (as was Ross's father and from which he directly benefitted).3 In addition, Texan Confederates' proclivities for
1 We recommend consulting: the American Historical Association's "Statement on the Standards of Professional Conduct."
2 We recommend consulting: Gary Clayton Anderson, The Conquest of Texas: Ethnic Cleansing in the Promised Land, 1820-1875 (Norman: University of Oklahoma Press, 2005); Paul H. Carlson and Tom Crum,
William Carrigan and Bill Clive, Forgotten Dead: Mob Violence against Mexicans in the United States, 1848-1928 (New York: Oxford University Press, 2013); David LaVere, The Texas Indians (College Station: Texas A&M University Press, 2004); Monica Muoz Martnez, The Injustice Never Leaves You: Anti-Mexican Violence in Texas (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 2018).
and Massacre: The Pease River Capture of Cynthia Ann Parker (Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press, 2012);
3
Eighth Census of the United States 1860; National Archives Washington DC, USA; Series Number: M653; Record
Group: Records of the Bureau of the Census; RG29,
2.
1
Myth, Memory,

violence extended to other ethnic groups such as Germans and Tejanos and also to white dissenters from "the cause."4
3. The narrative pointedly disavows any participation in the Ku Klux Klan but does not explain that white supremacist violence characterized the state in the years after Reconstruction far beyond the functioning of any single organization. As a Texas Ranger in his early life and as the Texas governor who oversaw the Rangers later, Ross represented and carried out anti-Mexican, anti-Black, and anti-Indigenous beliefs and policies. These were not hidden attitudes, as one lyric of an official Rangers song attests: "all the Mexkins [sic] ought to be...in a narrow grave just six by three."5 Ross's direct involvement in the so-called Jaybird-Woodpecker War in 1888-89 resulted in the disfranchisement and violent expulsion of Black Americans from Fort Bend County and ensured whites-only primaries and elections for decades to come.6 In these and other actions, Ross was not alone. Anti-Black laws, poll taxes and voter intimidation, and violent attacks against people of color were the primary way that white southerners consolidated their power in the post-Reconstruction era. It is unequivocally true that Ross agreed with, supported, and defended these policies until his death, even as he carried out what might be considered isolated acts of charity towards some communities of color.7
There are many other important historical contexts and bodies of testimony that should be considered in any legitimate accounting of Lawrence Sullivan Ross's life and legacies. Historians have a responsibility to consult myriad sources from multiple perspectives and all those voices cannot always be reconciled. Instead, we must inhabit the uncertainties and contradictions of the human condition and be ever-mindful of how choices made in the past affect our lives in the present. The "real story of Sul Ross" does none of this.
4 We recommend consulting: Dale Baum, The Shattering of Texas Unionism: Politics in the Lone Star State during the Civil War Era (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1998); Walter Buenger, Secession and the Union in Texas (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1984);
5 David Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986 (Austin: University of Texas Press, 1987), 102.
6 Leslie Ann Lovett, "The Jaybird-Woodpecker War: Reconstruction and Redemption in Fort Bend County, Texas, 1869-1889," (M.A. Thesis, Rice University, 1994), 78-79; Pauline Yelderman, "Jaybird-Woodpecker War," Texas State Historical Association Online, https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/wfj01.
7 We recommend consulting: Randolph B. Campbell, Grass-Roots Reconstruction in Texas, 1865-1880 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1997); Eric Foner, Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877 (New York: HarperCollins, rev. ed. 2014); John Hope Franklin, Reconstruction after the Civil War (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 3rd. ed. 2012); John William Gorman, "The Crucible of Freedom: Reconstruction Violence in Texas, 1865-1868 (Ph.D. Dissertation, Texas A&M University, 2019); Jumpin' Jim Crow: Southern Politics from Civil War to Civil Rights, ed. Jane Dailey, Glenda Gilmore, and Bryant Simon (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2000); Montejano, Anglos and Mexicans in the Making of Texas, 1836-1986.
Randolph B. Campbell, An Empire for Slavery: The Peculiar
Institution in Texas, 18211865 (Baton Rouge: Louisiana State University Press, 1989); F.R. Lubbock,
Texas: Or, Memoirs of Francis Richard Lubbock, Governor of Texas in War Time, 1861-63. A Personal Experience in
Six Decades in
Business, War, and Politics (Austin, B. C. Jones & co., printers, 1900); Sul Ross, "Life & Adventures," [n.d.], Ross
Family Papers, Baylor University Library; Andrew J. Torget, Seeds of Empire: Cotton, Slavery, and the
Transformation of the Texas Borderlands, 1800-1850 (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2015).
2

The discipline of history itself is rooted in vast inequities, in privileging some forms of knowledge over others. This has changed over time, largely as the result of work by determined individuals and communities whose very voices had been marginalized or ignored. As a profession, we still have far more work to do. But we are also laboring in a moment in which ill- informed opinions and comfortable fictions are trumpeted as examples of serious academic inquiry and against this trend, we protest.
We stand in opposition to the uncritical reverence of historical figures who represent racist, colonialist, and sexist attitudes and policies of the past. We advocate for the careful and unflinching study of our shared history. But we also advocate a compassionate and nuanced approach in the present. We value the Aggie traditions of respect for all members of our communityon campus and beyond, integrity in our work and our livesas teachers, researchers, and mentors, and excellence in our approach to dealing with even the most troubling and traumatic histories our work uncovers.
We study history. We teach history. But we do not worship it. And we do not know how we will be judged by it in the future. But we do know that students, colleagues, and community members feel hurt, frustrated, humiliated, and silenced by the continued pride of place accorded the Ross statue and legacy by the Texas A&M University system.
3

Armando C. Alonzo
Terry H. Anderson
Troy O. Bickham
Carlos Kevin Blanton Cynthia A. Bouton Albert S. Broussard Jonathan Brunstedt Jonathan C. Coopersmith Olga Dror
April Lee Hatfield
Sonia Hernndez
Felipe Hinojosa
Angela Pulley Hudson Violet M. Showers Johnson Walter D. Kamphoefner Kim, Hoi-eun
Brian McAllister Linn Lawrence "Trent" MacNamara Sarah McNamara
Robert P. Resch
Stephen Badalyan Riegg
Brian Rouleau
Rebecca Hartkopf Schloss Daniel L. Schwartz
Anthony N. Stranges
David Vaught
Katherine Unterman
[Updated 6/15]”

Link (for those like me that got tired head from the cut/paste formatting):  http://facultysenate.tamu.edu/FacultySenate/media/Media/Miscellaneous/Updated-Sul-Ross-History-Statement.pdf

[927 E. 41st 1124]

You still miss my meaning. Going with the broad brush is no more correct than what Aggy does. Site as many individuals as you wish, but the vast majority of their Alumni have been told nothing but the fiction from the day set foot on the place. If you go with "First learned is best learned" that's what they believe.

I walked by Simkins and any other number of buildings every day for years, spent a good bit of time in RLM heads down in a calculus book. Not once did I give any thought to whom these people were or what they did. I'm willing to give most of their rank and file the same benefit of the doubt.

Racist is tossed around WAY too much, but since I had classes in RLM and never fought against it, I'd be a racist by the definition of some.

[BevoSwag 272]

On 6/26/2020 at 8:38 AM, Longboard Horn said:

Fuck him with a FedEx envelope.

Only if $10k is included

[nnm 36472]

10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

That's making the rounds on twitter.I think they might have an issue with recruiting going forward.

Old Ag or whatever the fuck they call themselves, are hurting their (lost) cause of fielding a decent football team.

Any recruit should just read through this thread:  https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3121116/1

They just don’t get it. They all agree that it looks bad because it shows a shirtless African American confronting an old white guy.  They don’t get that it shows the world how completely clueless, exclusionary, and utterly racist “Old Ag” is.  They think it shows how disrespectful Mond and the rest are for daring to confront the old white guy defending the statue of the celebrated negro killer.  Not a single one sounds the alarm that this proves the point that the Sully statue, and their defense of the statue, expose the horrific underbelly of aggy, which we all knew was there.

In the rest of the world’s mind, a video like that shows old white guys defending racism.  In their mind, it shows disrespectful blacks.

I really think they’re going to boo their players, particularly any uppity enough to protest, and be seen protesting.  Many are saying “not another dime.”  

Sharp doesn’t get it.  Old ag doesn’t get it.  Young ag doesn’t get it.  We already knew that, but now the rest of the world can see it, and any POC, including the athletes they need, can see it.  I can’t wait for the fallout.

[Treefidy 1469]

8 hours ago, futureman said:

I think college station and that school and those traditions are more important than football to a lot of aggy.  I foresee an exodus. 

Because their traditions are real and tangible, every aggy has lived to experience them.   Meanwhile, winning football is just a story they pass along much like a fable.  It has grown from 1 to 3 as time wears on, no one alive actually saw it happen so who’s to say otherwise?  
And if aggy were being perfectly honest with themselves, the source they use to claim 3 MNCs has UT with 9 including 1914 which predates their “3”.  But aggy don’t think that way, 3:9 is a better ratio than 1:4, therefore they are catching up to us.  

[Orange&White 5528]

21 minutes ago, nnm said:

n the rest of the world’s mind, a video like that shows old white guys defending racism.  In their mind, it shows disrespectful blacks.

I really think they’re going to boo their players, particularly any uppity enough to protest, and be seen protesting.  Many are saying “not another dime.”  

Make no mistake about it; the first bad game Kellen Mond has, he will be booed in the stadium and ridiculed on the message boards. And if they do it enough, he will quit and some of his team mates will go with him.

[futureman 22497]

good thing there will be no football and we won’t have to worry about it 

[Armybrat 40851]

43 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

You still miss my meaning. Going with the broad brush is no more correct than what Aggy does. Site as many individuals as you wish, but the vast majority of their Alumni have been told nothing but the fiction from the day set foot on the place. If you go with "First learned is best learned" that's what they believe.

I walked by Simkins and any other number of buildings every day for years, spent a good bit of time in RLM heads down in a calculus book. Not once did I give any thought to whom these people were or what they did. I'm willing to give most of their rank and file the same benefit of the doubt.

Racist is tossed around WAY too much, but since I had classes in RLM and never fought against it, I'd be a racist by the definition of some.

UT doesn’t have a Calf Camp to perpetuate myths. 
Plus the offending statues on the 40 Acres were removed several years ago without a gang of self-appointed confederate “patriots” guarding them. Nor is there a collection of personalized KKK robes belonging to faculty/staff/coaches kept on our campus. 
While the Cowboys certainly did blackface skits on campus for years, at no time did they try to make themselves a KKK campus chapter like a certain Kow & Kream Klub did at the Klavern-on-the-Brazos.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Armybrat

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

43 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Racist is tossed around WAY too much, but since I had classes in RLM and never fought against it, I'd be a racist by the definition of some.

No you wouldn't.

But you might be if you went out of your way to fight any suggestion to change the building name, citing "heritage" and "tradition" and whatever other nonsense.

[BigSwingingD 719]

This should tell you all you need to know about fake army. Credit Secrant.

I feel safe with these guys defending dead dog field and our country.

[Armybrat 40851]

Who is the Cub Scout mascot?

[Elmer_Fudd 22296]

1 hour ago, nnm said:

Any recruit should just read through this thread:  https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3121116/1

 

Lulz "Yet another drive Mond couldn't finish..."

[Armybrat 40851]

“Where’s Jimbo?” 

[Js1 85440]

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

UT doesn’t have a Calf Camp to perpetuate myths. 
Plus the offending statues on the 40 Acres were removed several years ago without a gang of self-appointed confederate “patriots” guarding them. Nor is there a collection of personalized KKK robes belonging to faculty/staff/coaches kept on our campus. 
While the Cowboys certainly did blackface skits on campus for years, at no time did they try to make themselves a KKK campus chapter like a certain Kow & Kream Klub did at the Klavern-on-the-Brazos.

Amen. Texas does not have a spotless record on race issues (like most universities in the country, the record is far from spotless) but neither does Texas whitewash its history, and when we make attempts to correct problems, there's frequently a healthy debate, but never a rush to torches and pitchforks.

What is currently going on at Texas A&M is the very definition of "institutional racism". An institution with racist history, racist traditions, racist tropes, and racist memes is doing everything it can to prevent that history, those traditions, those tropes, and those memes from being challenged in any significant way.

[Longboard Horn 40381]

18 hours ago, Randolph Duke said:

I got permabanned on my first post. 

I think they still have a thread dedicated to you, RD

[Pancho 44860]

If you’re home bored due to corona, “Aggies” is trending in Texas on twitter and it’s gold. Pour you some drank and enjoy

Here is an A&M track athlete:

 

[Pancho 44860]

He asked “are you Aggies or blackies?”

[DaysOff 7959]

Because their traditions are real and tangible, every aggy has lived to experience them.   Meanwhile, winning football is just a story they pass along much like a fable.  It has grown from 1 to 3 as time wears on, no one alive actually saw it happen so who’s to say otherwise?  
And if aggy were being perfectly honest with themselves, the source they use to claim 3 MNCs has UT with 9 including 1914 which predates their “3”.  But aggy don’t think that way, 3:9 is a better ratio than 1:4, therefore they are catching up to us.  

They got 5 now stupid sip.

[nnm 36472]

 

[Pancho 44860]

Bjork had a tweet sticking up for the players.  A&M folks on texags response?  “I’m done.”

[markstanco 12585]

Make no mistake about it; the first bad game Kellen Mond has, he will be booed in the stadium and ridiculed on the message boards. And if they do it enough, he will quit and some of his team mates will go with him.

I dont know about quiting. That would end a shot to play pro, even if it is semi pro like cfl or xfl type of leagues

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

3 minutes ago, markstanco said:

2 hours ago, Orange&White said:

Make no mistake about it; the first bad game Kellen Mond has, he will be booed in the stadium and ridiculed on the message boards. And if they do it enough, he will quit and some of his team mates will go with him.

I dont know about quiting. That would end a shot to play pro, even if it is semi pro like cfl or xfl type of leagues

Would it, though? I mean, the only real question for most pro teams is, can you play? It's not like a black guy quitting at a school that proudly displays a statue of a "gallant negro killer" is the same thing as taking a knee during the national anthem. Mond might be toxic for the pro team from Jasper if there ever were to be one, but I'm willing to bet the Edmonton Eskimos would have no problem giving him a shot, provided he can play.

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

 

Man, I always thought a full-length documentary on A&M would be fantastic. Imagine all the horrific and absurd and hilarious shit these people would say in interviews. Imagine them describing all the asinine "traditions" of "aggieland." Imagine them, with straight faces, telling the camera that B-CS/AM is their heaven on earth. It would be hysterically funny. 

And it would be so easy to get access - just tell them you want to document the great traditions and so on. 

 

[Treefidy 1469]

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

They got 5 now stupid sip.

JFC, 1917 GaTech beat the shit out of their opponents 491-17.  Their closest game was 32-10.   Aggy had a good season but GT didn’t share that title.

1940 is a joke.  Again they had a good season, co-champs of the SWC, lost to UT but redeemed theirselves against Fordham in the cotton bowl 13-12.  Meanwhile, the actual title was split among undefeated Stanford, Minnesota and Tenn (lost bowl). 

I suppose by aggy standard they credit us with 13 MNCs.  No, only the 4 we claim?  How absolutely aggy to need to one-up us, regardless of facts.  
 

 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

Just amazing watching those idiots double down on stupidity. 

This is going to get far more extreme before this begins to settle down. Soon it will start hitting broader media outlets. And Sharp still has to deliver his whitewash garbage, now with the A&M history professors offering up their comments today. 

Fuck them. They earned everything coming their way. 

[Scheiss Meister 8408]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

If you’re home bored due to corona, “Aggies” is trending in Texas on twitter and it’s gold. Pour you some drank and enjoy

Here is an A&M track athlete:

 

I am proud of those young men for not popping him in the mouth.

[Iceman 2720]

1 hour ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Man, I always thought a full-length documentary on A&M would be fantastic. Imagine all the horrific and absurd and hilarious shit these people would say in interviews. Imagine them describing all the asinine "traditions" of "aggieland." Imagine them, with straight faces, telling the camera that B-CS/AM is their heaven on earth. It would be hysterically funny. 

And it would be so easy to get access - just tell them you want to document the great traditions and so on. 

 

you could cover everything in 5 minutes.

 

Unless you include the lies.

[927 E. 41st 1124]

6 minutes ago, Iceman said:

you could cover everything in 5 minutes.

 

Unless you include the lies.

In which case you're up to a multi-part series!

[Player 4575]

1 hour ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Man, I always thought a full-length documentary on A&M would be fantastic. Imagine all the horrific and absurd and hilarious shit these people would say in interviews. Imagine them describing all the asinine "traditions" of "aggieland." Imagine them, with straight faces, telling the camera that B-CS/AM is their heaven on earth. It would be hysterically funny. 

And it would be so easy to get access - just tell them you want to document the great traditions and so on. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, 927 E. 41st said:

In which case you're up to a multi-part series!

Man, are y’all in for a treat...

 

[Armybrat 40851]

Interesting tidbit I noticed about 12th Man.com website history of all-time results against Texas. They just start with the 1915 season (with a 13-0 victory over the Horns) but do not list the 19 times they played Texas prior to that. Of those “unlisted” games, Texas had a 15-4-2 record against aggy - playing them twice in a season several times.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

2 hours ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Man, I always thought a full-length documentary on A&M would be fantastic. Imagine all the horrific and absurd and hilarious shit these people would say in interviews. Imagine them describing all the asinine "traditions" of "aggieland." Imagine them, with straight faces, telling the camera that B-CS/AM is their heaven on earth. It would be hysterically funny. 

And it would be so easy to get access - just tell them you want to document the great traditions and so on. 

It would just look cheesy and fake, like somebody tried to do a football version of "Spinal Tap" but got too outlandishly ridiculous. All those things you think to yourself, "Nobody is a big enough dorky loser douchebag to actually do that," yeah, well, aggy has a tradition of doing that.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

Interesting tidbit I noticed about 12th Man.com website history of all-time results against Texas. They just start with the 1915 season (with a 13-0 victory over the Horns) but do not list the 19 times they played Texas prior to that. Of those “unlisted” games, Texas had a 15-4-2 record against aggy - playing them twice in a season several times.

Remember that the first game the ags ever played was against UT in Dallas in 1894. There were getting beaten so badly at the half, that they forfeited and didn’t even come out to play the second half. 

 

The ags are simply unable to process a reality where the historians are right and Fish Camp was wrong.

Fucking hilarious.

Edited June 27, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[UDontKnow 10447]

3 hours ago, Pancho said:

If you’re home bored due to corona, “Aggies” is trending in Texas on twitter and it’s gold. Pour you some drank and enjoy

Here is an A&M track athlete:

 

Is anyone surprised that Brent Zwerneman's reporting is disingenuous? His existence is an insult to real journalists.

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

4 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

Is anyone surprised that Brent Zwerneman's reporting is disingenuous? His existence is an insult to real journalists.

If the answer is yes, my guess is the person answering in the affirmative is a visitor to our language.

[Deej 76846]

18 hours ago, 927 E. 41st said:

Again with the broad brush, they may not be racists. They live and die by their traditions, the ass ugly statue has been a part of that. Why would we think they would be any better educated about the actual history of Sul Ross than they are about anything else.

[demos 3004]

Link (for those like me that got tired head from the cut/paste formatting):  http://facultysenate.tamu.edu/FacultySenate/media/Media/Miscellaneous/Updated-Sul-Ross-History-Statement.pdf

These are all great book recs, got most of them on my bookshelves. Doubt any aggy would read them (assuming they can read).

Y’all should definitely read them though.

[C-Man 27235]

If you’re home bored due to corona, “Aggies” is trending in Texas on twitter and it’s gold. Pour you some drank and enjoy
Here is an A&M track athlete:
 

Not that it matters as it’s delicious either way but it might’ve been “Blaggies” — not that it is any better.

[Orange&White 5528]

4 hours ago, markstanco said:

6 hours ago, Orange&White said:

Make no mistake about it; the first bad game Kellen Mond has, he will be booed in the stadium and ridiculed on the message boards. And if they do it enough, he will quit and some of his team mates will go with him.

I dont know about quiting. That would end a shot to play pro, even if it is semi pro like cfl or xfl type of leagues

He won't have a choice. The fans will boo him and then Jimbo will bench him. Things are so backward there, Sharp may force Jimbo to bench him anyway.

[JMFP 1120]

Is he even going to play? They aren't moving the statue.