Tell Me About Texas a&m

[Harrison Bergeron 1798]

2 hours ago, Blotto said:

Or, just hear me out here.....we tell you to shut the fuck up, and we accept the invite that everyone else in the SEC is likely to approve. Personally I would prefer we head to the Pac or B10 , but if the SEC is where we end up, it should be as humiliating as possible for aggy. 

I would prefer not to go to the SEC, but the big silver lining is just making aggy crazy ... just because of craziness like this.

[GreenspointTexas 9556]

2 hours ago, Blotto said:

Or, just hear me out here.....we tell you to shut the fuck up, and we accept the invite that everyone else in the SEC is likely to approve. Personally I would prefer we head to the Pac or B10 , but if the SEC is where we end up, it should be as humiliating as possible for aggy. 

This is the most pathetic thing ive ever read

[Pimphand 5587]

I put Chimpanzione in the realignment thread but I feel like he needs to be here too because he sums up their ethos perfectly.

[Kennythetiger 9333]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

This is the most pathetic thing ive ever read

Absolutely, but #5(b) made me laugh out loud. 

[Leanderman 2263]

gomers just scared that Randolph Duke will start to post on $ECRant

[Eastwood 4394]

5 hours ago, Blotto said:

Or, just hear me out here.....we tell you to shut the fuck up, and we accept the invite that everyone else in the SEC is likely to approve. Personally I would prefer we head to the Pac or B10 , but if the SEC is where we end up, it should be as humiliating as possible for aggy. 

[Scholz 11923]

I love this so much

[Randolph Duke 4034]

I’m not a fan of going to the S!E!C! but I can understand how the conference needs a school like Texas to class the joint up. 

I’m loving every bit of the aggy conniption fit, though. It’s going to be a long next 90 years for those fucks, being put in their schedule lace time and again by “The Great Burnt Orange Satan.”

lol

Eat shit, aggy. 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools

Former Texas A&M official: Texas, Oklahoma joining SEC would break 'gentlemen's agreement' among league schools

If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.

R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri in 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.

"There's this understanding among the membership -- at least it was 10 years ago -- that you don't admit a school from the same state as a member school unless that member school's OK with it," Loftin told ESPN.com on Thursday. "We talked about it from time to time among ourselves, that this was the way it was going to be, that if we had another school in Texas wanting to enter the SEC, Texas A&M would have veto power."

Loftin said the discussions happened while Mike Slive was commissioner. Loftin, who is retired and no longer involved in the discussions at A&M or Missouri, said he believes that current commissioner Greg Sankey, who was Slive's deputy before taking over as commissioner in 2015 when Slive retired, "has a really good long-range sense of the SEC."

An SEC spokesman said the league had no comment on Loftin's comments on Thursday.

Three states -- Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee -- have two SEC schools each, but those date to the formation of the conference. In 1990, the league added Arkansas and South Carolina, both in states that did not have another SEC team.

Loftin said the agreement prevented expansion discussion involving teams such as Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Miami, even when the league was targeting the ACC if 16-team superconferences came to pass in the last round of realignment.

"We discussed those specific possibilities," Loftin said. "Florida State was never in the conversation, for obvious reasons. It was clear that they would not be admittable unless Florida wanted them included, and who could imagine that?"

Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members.

"I can tell you that, during my time in the SEC from two different schools, that was the understanding we had," Loftin said. "It was unwritten. There's no specific rule you can point to. You can point to the bylaws, talk about having a three-quarters majority to admit a new school, which means four schools could stop it from happening legally and officially. But beyond that, there was this understanding."

Loftin said he and members of the A&M board of regents specifically discussed Texas' membership prospects during expansion talks with Slive, who was commissioner at the time. Slive died in 2018.

"I can recall a meeting with the commissioner and a few of our regents that were with me, [Texas] came up in the conversation," Loftin said. "Mike assured us that they got what they wanted in Texas A&M because they got the Texas market, and they got a school which was very compatible with SEC schools."

Current Texas A&M athletic director Ross Bjork said Thursday that he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M. We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas. There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be stand-alone, to have our own identity."

The Aggies and Longhorns obviously don't have a lot of love for each other over the past 125 years or so, but particularly since their breakup when A&M left the Big 12.

"They left," former Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told the Daily Texan in 2013. "They're the ones that decided not to play us. We get to decide when we play again."

Loftin said he'd be surprised if that ends up being in the SEC.

"There would be a lot of anger on the part of the Aggie community," he said. "It certainly is ironic -- and that's a very mild word for it -- after all of the verbiage directed against us trying to discourage us from [going to the SEC], and then beating on us after we did it, that really is interesting to have that school come back and say, 'Oh, we want to join you now.'"

And he found Texas' interest to be an about-face, particularly after having discussed realignment possibilities with his counterpart in Austin, Texas president Bill Powers, who died in 2019

"They have a very high opinion of themselves -- which is not surprising -- but not always justified. And that drives a lot of thinking there," Loftin said. "Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC because he felt academically it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."

Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz, a relative newcomer to league drama in his second year as the Tigers' head coach, joked Thursday at SEC media days about the rumored interest of Texas and Oklahoma.

"We're the best league in college football and everybody wants to play there, and now you've got two iconic brands that want to join too," he said. "It's an exclusive club and not everybody gets in, so good luck. Especially if A&M has anything to do with it."

[Scholz 11923]

Obligatory shot of aggy currently 

[LTtxfan 48928]

3 minutes ago, Scholz said:

Obligatory shot of aggy currently 

Scholz Message fits

Fyi, in case you haven't seen this...

[Ldogg53 514]

aggy super pissed that we're about to drink their milkshake.

Also love their puffing their chests about how great the SEC has been, so much better than B12 etc..etc.  Yet these fucks have won literally nothing since they've left.  Their biggest "win" is not losing to us, and they damn well know it. 

[DCA_HORN 725]

I’m not a fan of going to the S!E!C! but I can understand how the conference needs a school like Texas to class the joint up. 
I’m loving every bit of the aggy conniption fit, though. It’s going to be a long next 90 years for those fucks, being put in their schedule lace time and again by “The Great Burnt Orange Satan.”
lol
Eat shit, aggy. 
 
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools

Former Texas A&M official: Texas, Oklahoma joining SEC would break 'gentlemen's agreement' among league schools

If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.

R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri in 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.

"There's this understanding among the membership -- at least it was 10 years ago -- that you don't admit a school from the same state as a member school unless that member school's OK with it," Loftin told ESPN.com on Thursday. "We talked about it from time to time among ourselves, that this was the way it was going to be, that if we had another school in Texas wanting to enter the SEC, Texas A&M would have veto power."

Loftin said the discussions happened while Mike Slive was commissioner. Loftin, who is retired and no longer involved in the discussions at A&M or Missouri, said he believes that current commissioner Greg Sankey, who was Slive's deputy before taking over as commissioner in 2015 when Slive retired, "has a really good long-range sense of the SEC."

An SEC spokesman said the league had no comment on Loftin's comments on Thursday.

Three states -- Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee -- have two SEC schools each, but those date to the formation of the conference. In 1990, the league added Arkansas and South Carolina, both in states that did not have another SEC team.

Loftin said the agreement prevented expansion discussion involving teams such as Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Miami, even when the league was targeting the ACC if 16-team superconferences came to pass in the last round of realignment.

"We discussed those specific possibilities," Loftin said. "Florida State was never in the conversation, for obvious reasons. It was clear that they would not be admittable unless Florida wanted them included, and who could imagine that?"

Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members.

"I can tell you that, during my time in the SEC from two different schools, that was the understanding we had," Loftin said. "It was unwritten. There's no specific rule you can point to. You can point to the bylaws, talk about having a three-quarters majority to admit a new school, which means four schools could stop it from happening legally and officially. But beyond that, there was this understanding."

Loftin said he and members of the A&M board of regents specifically discussed Texas' membership prospects during expansion talks with Slive, who was commissioner at the time. Slive died in 2018.

"I can recall a meeting with the commissioner and a few of our regents that were with me, [Texas] came up in the conversation," Loftin said. "Mike assured us that they got what they wanted in Texas A&M because they got the Texas market, and they got a school which was very compatible with SEC schools."

Current Texas A&M athletic director Ross Bjork said Thursday that he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M. We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas. There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be stand-alone, to have our own identity."

The Aggies and Longhorns obviously don't have a lot of love for each other over the past 125 years or so, but particularly since their breakup when A&M left the Big 12.

"They left," former Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told the Daily Texan in 2013. "They're the ones that decided not to play us. We get to decide when we play again."

Loftin said he'd be surprised if that ends up being in the SEC.

"There would be a lot of anger on the part of the Aggie community," he said. "It certainly is ironic -- and that's a very mild word for it -- after all of the verbiage directed against us trying to discourage us from [going to the SEC], and then beating on us after we did it, that really is interesting to have that school come back and say, 'Oh, we want to join you now.'"

And he found Texas' interest to be an about-face, particularly after having discussed realignment possibilities with his counterpart in Austin, Texas president Bill Powers, who died in 2019

"They have a very high opinion of themselves -- which is not surprising -- but not always justified. And that drives a lot of thinking there," Loftin said. "Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC because he felt academically it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."

Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz, a relative newcomer to league drama in his second year as the Tigers' head coach, joked Thursday at SEC media days about the rumored interest of Texas and Oklahoma.

"We're the best league in college football and everybody wants to play there, and now you've got two iconic brands that want to join too," he said. "It's an exclusive club and not everybody gets in, so good luck. Especially if A&M has anything to do with it."

It's like in mad men when Roger trying to convince Cutler to sell to McCann.
Cutler/aggy: I hope you realize this a pathetic ploy and a delusion.
Roger/us: it is until everybody votes on it.

[Tex Pete 20136]

1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

I’m not a fan of going to the S!E!C! but I can understand how the conference needs a school like Texas to class the joint up. 

I’m loving every bit of the aggy conniption fit, though. It’s going to be a long next 90 years for those fucks, being put in their schedule lace time and again by “The Great Burnt Orange Satan.”

lol

Eat shit, aggy. 

 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31863713/texas-oklahoma-joining-sec-break-gentlemen-agreement-league-schools

Former Texas A&M official: Texas, Oklahoma joining SEC would break 'gentlemen's agreement' among league schools

If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.

R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri in 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.

"There's this understanding among the membership -- at least it was 10 years ago -- that you don't admit a school from the same state as a member school unless that member school's OK with it," Loftin told ESPN.com on Thursday. "We talked about it from time to time among ourselves, that this was the way it was going to be, that if we had another school in Texas wanting to enter the SEC, Texas A&M would have veto power."

Loftin said the discussions happened while Mike Slive was commissioner. Loftin, who is retired and no longer involved in the discussions at A&M or Missouri, said he believes that current commissioner Greg Sankey, who was Slive's deputy before taking over as commissioner in 2015 when Slive retired, "has a really good long-range sense of the SEC."

An SEC spokesman said the league had no comment on Loftin's comments on Thursday.

Three states -- Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee -- have two SEC schools each, but those date to the formation of the conference. In 1990, the league added Arkansas and South Carolina, both in states that did not have another SEC team.

Loftin said the agreement prevented expansion discussion involving teams such as Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Miami, even when the league was targeting the ACC if 16-team superconferences came to pass in the last round of realignment.

"We discussed those specific possibilities," Loftin said. "Florida State was never in the conversation, for obvious reasons. It was clear that they would not be admittable unless Florida wanted them included, and who could imagine that?"

Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools such as North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in states with no SEC members.

"I can tell you that, during my time in the SEC from two different schools, that was the understanding we had," Loftin said. "It was unwritten. There's no specific rule you can point to. You can point to the bylaws, talk about having a three-quarters majority to admit a new school, which means four schools could stop it from happening legally and officially. But beyond that, there was this understanding."

Loftin said he and members of the A&M board of regents specifically discussed Texas' membership prospects during expansion talks with Slive, who was commissioner at the time. Slive died in 2018.

"I can recall a meeting with the commissioner and a few of our regents that were with me, [Texas] came up in the conversation," Loftin said. "Mike assured us that they got what they wanted in Texas A&M because they got the Texas market, and they got a school which was very compatible with SEC schools."

Current Texas A&M athletic director Ross Bjork said Thursday that he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M. We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas. There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be stand-alone, to have our own identity."

The Aggies and Longhorns obviously don't have a lot of love for each other over the past 125 years or so, but particularly since their breakup when A&M left the Big 12.

"They left," former Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told the Daily Texan in 2013. "They're the ones that decided not to play us. We get to decide when we play again."

Loftin said he'd be surprised if that ends up being in the SEC.

"There would be a lot of anger on the part of the Aggie community," he said. "It certainly is ironic -- and that's a very mild word for it -- after all of the verbiage directed against us trying to discourage us from [going to the SEC], and then beating on us after we did it, that really is interesting to have that school come back and say, 'Oh, we want to join you now.'"

And he found Texas' interest to be an about-face, particularly after having discussed realignment possibilities with his counterpart in Austin, Texas president Bill Powers, who died in 2019

"They have a very high opinion of themselves -- which is not surprising -- but not always justified. And that drives a lot of thinking there," Loftin said. "Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC because he felt academically it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."

Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz, a relative newcomer to league drama in his second year as the Tigers' head coach, joked Thursday at SEC media days about the rumored interest of Texas and Oklahoma.

"We're the best league in college football and everybody wants to play there, and now you've got two iconic brands that want to join too," he said. "It's an exclusive club and not everybody gets in, so good luck. Especially if A&M has anything to do with it."

Let’s not forget that Bowen Loftin proved himself to be a serial liar and a “man” with a tiny penis when they ran away from us. 

[Hook1997 5269]

Kyle brought the damn heat today!

[gordogg24p 344]

This got dug out of the weeds tonight...

 

[mdleast 8255]

This is the most pathetic thing ive ever read

Well…one of the most pathetic:

[NeverMarryAStripper 21780]

So he wants to see Jimbo’s O face?

[Jkwellborn 6649]

Too bad Texas won’t tell the sec that the only way they’ll come over is if aggy gets the boot.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

On 7/17/2021 at 8:15 PM, Randolph Duke said:

The 5th Circuit will do what they do.

If the ags get fucked up the ass on their sovereign immunity defense based on stealing someone’s work on their “12th Man” story on the 100th anniversary of their “12th Man” fairy tale, it will be interesting. 

Remember, under the DMCA, statutory damages are in excess of $750 mil. 

I can’t think of a better way to blunt their “12th Man” fairy tale centennial. I’m 

The issue in the sovereign immunity argument is whether the copyright violation is a taking or a tort. 

Since you seem to have a mastery of the issue, which is it, a taking or a tort? 

Infringement of the constitutionally granted intellectual property rights (patent and copyright) by a government is a taking of private property rather than a conventional tortious act of infringement, as it is when a private party infringes.  That bit of settled law mostly affects damages and limits them to the value of the property taken, as opposed to other, more conventional damage measures.

Whether it is a taking or not is not relevant to the appeal.  To sue a governmental entity for copyright infringement, the government entity itself must have waived sovereign immunity or Congress must have done it for them.

In 2020, the Supreme Court ruled that the current Congressional attempt to waive sovereign immunity of state governments is not valid.

His suit against aggy entities is DOA unless he can somehow convince the Supreme Court to reverse itself or create an exception.  He has pretty good lawyers on that question, so it's possible, but unlikely.

Also, DMCA didn't affect copyright infringement remedies.  The maximum statutory damage award is $150k.  The max has only been awarded a handful of times, usually against repeat offender pirate broadcasters.  The individual defendant is not going to get hit with 150k.  And, if somehow the suit proceeds against aggy entities, the damages for taking will be miniscule.

Edited July 23, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Hmbre97 6297]

18 minutes ago, mdleast said:

Well…one of the most pathetic:

Dean later that night:

 

[Scholz 11923]

6 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Too bad Texas won’t tell the sec that the only way they’ll come over is if aggy gets the boot.

[TonyTexas 10478]

37 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Too bad Texas won’t tell the sec that the only way they’ll come over is if aggy gets the boot.

Sankey’s response

 

[Scholz 11923]

Case McCoy herp derp drive and Tucker kick coming on LHN now

[JFKFC 4878]

Thread title needs to be changed to: Tell Me About The Gentleman's Agreement 

[mchookem 16095]

1 hour ago, mdleast said:

Well…one of the most pathetic:

 

[Deej 76511]

2 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

Too bad Texas won’t tell the sec that the only way they’ll come over is if aggy gets the boot.

You don’t mention that until everybody is sold on the deal and itching to sign off on it.

“Oh, and we want just one more little thing…”

[Zone Read 297]

"Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC because he felt academically it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."

 

This has to be the dumbest statement he could have made.   

[ousux 5586]

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3210762

Can we say yes to OU and No to t.u.?

 
Among many delusional posts in that thread, none tops this one..

"If the SEC tells OU we only want you. What do you think they are going to do. I have a pretty good guess.

Maybe they are our permanent non pod opponent and we play them in Dallas to make up for them losing their game with the sips."

Think that says it all

[Landomatic 3813]

6 hours ago, Zone Read said:

"Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC because he felt academically it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."

This has to be the dumbest statement he could have made.   

Translation: "Texas is too smart for the SEC, but the agys have always been the perfect level of stupid to fit right into the middle of the conference. That's just plain and simple."

[mr. sunshine 2824]

Loftin has a private conversation with Slive and then what happens to him? Dead. Powers? Dead.

I’m no Columbo but there seems to be a pattern here 

[Longboard Horn 40069]

[demos 2992]

I get the other schools, but aggy is working really hard to oppose this and it’s hilarious how scared and traumatized they are about it.

[Longboard Horn 40069]

[Longboard Horn 40069]

[Longboard Horn 40069]

[Pam Cummings 9553]

I'm so glad their embarrassing bullshit is on full display for the entire country to see. It really is glorious.

[Longboard Horn 40069]

Wall has been updated 

[Longboard Horn 40069]

 

[South Austin 52037]

38 minutes ago, demos said:

 

Looks like Greg Abbott is going to have four guys gargle his balls at the same time.

[Tex Pete 20136]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Looks like Greg Abbott is going to have four guys gargle his balls at the same time.

Aggy is tongue-punching that fart box. 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

I find it humorous that the first time around when Texas was planning on moving to the S!E!C! it didn't happen because aggy complained to the legislature that we weren't taking them with us.

Now we have every other Texas school trying to stop Texas because we aren't taking them with us and aggy is complaining because change of any sort scares the hell out of those redneck Luddites.

All of this is why Texas administrators quit caring so much about the interests of other schools. They will never be satisfied regardless of what Texas does.

https://www.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html

[Zone Read 297]

2 hours ago, Landomatic said:

Translation: "Texas is too smart for the SEC, but the agys have always been the perfect level of stupid to fit right into the middle of the conference. That's just plain and simple."

Exactly.  Seriously, is there any other way to interpret this?  Isn't he basically saying that aggy is too dumb and culturally inferior to the PAC 12 and Texas fits in?  Just an unbelievably stupid (but true) comment for him to make.

[LTtxfan 48928]

 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

11 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

 

The ags are being shown their place in the power structure of the S!E!C!

Being relegated to the kiddie table by UT power brokers without Texas even being in the conference. 

The principals knew what this would mean for A&M and they didn’t give two shits about aggy. 

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Armybrat 40678]

A comment from the Secrant:

Quote

That’s a big OOF for ATM. They thought they were at the adult table, but really they still eat chicken nuggets with the kids.

 

[1leggedduck 443]

Aggy should show us sips and the meanies of the SEC by taking our place as the flagship school of the Big 12. They can have a big rivalry with Tech. That'd be nice. Aggy, Tech and Baylor could talk about how they are the "real" Texas schools, etc. Maybe bring in uh and smu. That would be a lovely little conference for aggy.

[Longboard Horn 40069]

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

Anyone else feel like if aggy had agreed to play UT a few years ago, Texas wouldn’t have gone talking with LSU and bama and Georgia and Florida, and this never would have happened?

[mchookem 16095]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

 

that is just...

[Randolph Duke 4034]

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

A comment from the Secrant:

 

It won’t take longer than this weekend until the “Texas to the S!E!C!” narrative will become “advantage aggy,” accompanied by some farcical version of “history” spun to make gullible rednecks believe A&M somehow “masterminded” the move to “enhance aggy greatness.”