California Getting a Jump on Black Friday Shopping

[Willfully Horn 8008]

4 hours ago, Incredulity said:

BuT HaZ INsurAncEs !11!1!!

 

in 3..2..1...

It is like you are out of touch. Compared to wage theft, robbers are pikers, and do far less damage to the economy. Fuck thieves. But keep your eye on the log, not the splinter.

Ain’t no insurance for wage theft.

[Incredulity 11665]

16 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Ain’t no insurance for wage theft.

Sure there is call DOL.  They don’t fuck around with PROVEN wage theft. Accusations are cheap fodder for morons.

[Incredulity 11665]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

 

We all realize you believe thats true.

[Willfully Horn 8008]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Sure there is call DOL.  They don’t fuck around with PROVEN wage theft. Accusations are cheap fodder for morons.

You sound angry. Still, crime is the topic.
 

"I don't think crime data tells you all that much," says Vargas. "It tells you how police behave as an organization." 

In this system, shoplifting tampons or diapers counts as crime, but tax evasion, environmental crimes, and wage theft do not. Police aren't even responsible for investigating those crimes. 

"Wage theft is a problem about five times the magnitude of shoplifting," says Alec Karakatsanis, an activist, lawyer and executive director of Civil Rights Corps.”

 

Civil Rights. Must be a moron.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/08/1134550280/stories-about-crime-are-rife-with-misinformation-and-racism-critics-say

[wildcat09 29349]

4 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

We all realize you believe thats true.

Believe what's true? That no liberals in this thread had said theft is fine because stores have insurance?

[HamsterHookah 112]

What is that market that has changed? Is it the lack of occupancy for in-office workers? Is it the unhoused people? Is it the petty theft laws?

Quote

 

“The dynamics of the downtown San Francisco market have changed dramatically over the past several years.”

The hits keep coming to downtown SF. Nordstrom said yesterday that it was closing its two stores in the center of the city—the one located in the Westfield Mall and a nearby Nordstrom Rack—leaving 357,500 square feet of retail space vacant, according to the San Francisco Business Times. Last month, Whole Foods also announced it was closing up shop in downtown SF after making 568 emergency calls in the 13 months it was open, the NYT reported.

 

 

[We’reTexas 1473]

28 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

What is that market that has changed? Is it the lack of occupancy for in-office workers? Is it the unhoused people? Is it the petty theft laws?

 

It’s people realizing they don’t have to put up with shitty public transportation infrastructure five days a week and no one going to malls anymore. 

[wildcat09 29349]

Imagine thinking a department store closing is something unique to San Francisco. 

[mdmost 43001]

Yeah, you can walk into the Dallas Galleria, which I had to do 2 weeks ago so my kid could hang out with her friend, and you'll find about 75% off the first floor is empty. Nordstrom in the same mall closed the entire 3rd level of their store and moved everything down to the 2nd floor. People just aren't going to malls. I'd imagine New York would tell a similar tale with their downtown. 

[Hornius Emeritus 12457]

16 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Imagine thinking a department store closing is something unique to San Francisco. 

It's not unique to San Francisco. Portland is seeing a wave of closings, too. Walmart is leaving the Portland market. Nike, Cracker Barrel , REI etc ... have also closed stores there, citing theft that goes unpunished.

https://news.yahoo.com/walmart-set-close-stores-portland-154823875.html

[Incredulity 11665]

10 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

It's not unique to San Francisco. Portland is seeing a wave of closings, too. Walmart is leaving the Portland market. Nike, Cracker Barrel , REI etc ... have also closed stores there, citing theft that goes unpunished.

https://news.yahoo.com/walmart-set-close-stores-portland-154823875.html

Related

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/05/03/emails-show-two-years-of-bargaining-and-finger-pointing-around-downtown-portlands-most-notorious-property/

 

Meanwhile, a drug market popped up on the sidewalks outside the complex, first in the areas not surrounded by a fence—and then inside too, once the chain-link barrier was breached and toppled.

The city had been aware of this for months. In November 2022, Lauren Menashe told the city that the situation was getting “worse and worse as each week goes on.”

“Sophisticated criminals” were sneaking in to steal fiber optic and power cables, she said. Meanwhile, campers on the sidewalks appeared “more dangerous and physical.”

But what was “beyond belief,” she noted, was Washington Center’s “new tenant.” Someone was using the vacant complex’s valuable placement in the center of downtown on Google Maps to advertise an escort service, with photos of scantily clad women and a WhatsApp number. (A city official responded, saying Lauren Menashe should “contact PPB via 911″ to handle the trespassers. It’s not clear whether she did—or if any escorts ever physically occupied Washington Center. As of press time, the listing remains on Google Maps, although the number has been disconnected.)

 

.....Meanwhile, the steps’ denizens migrated to the other side of their building to hang out under the eaves of the former KeyBank. In the evenings, dealers continue to stalk the corners. On Friday night, a trio of police squad cars sped to the scene because two men were kicking a third in the head as he lay in the middle of Washington Street.

[Incredulity 11665]

Decriminalizing theft keeps on keeping on.

[Biff Tannen 45673]

What a strange bump 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

well, he is a strange man, soooo....

[Incredulity 11665]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

What a strange bump 

 

What does retail theft in California have to do with the retail theft in California thread????

[Gil Bang 25944]

7 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 

What does retail theft in California have to do with the retail theft in California thread????

where in CA did this happen?

[Incredulity 11665]

actually appears to be NY.

 

Potato/Potato.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Incredulity

[Biff Tannen 45673]

Lulz. You fucking moron. 

[Incredulity 11665]

[4th&Five 41525]

14 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

actually appears to be NY.

 

Potato/Potato.

[DigglerontheHoof 21186]

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

[Hermanator 7039]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Actually lemmings don't do that. It's a myth created by Disney. 

https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=56

[gmr548 16576]

lol @Incredulity

Your friends on texags will love this tale of owning the libs. Bravo.

[mdmost 43001]

You would think after yet another ass-showing he would stop but nope, he still persists. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by mdmost

[Biff Tannen 45673]

1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

Actually lemmings don't do that. It's a myth created by Disney. 

https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlifenews.view_article&articles_id=56

And it created an entire video game franchise.

[Foosters 17850]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Decriminalizing theft keeps on keeping on.

link?

[Hermanator 7039]

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

And it created an entire video game franchise.

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Hermanator

[Incredulity 11665]

12 minutes ago, Foosters said:

link?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12224147/amp/Shocking-moment-brazen-thief-uses-BLOWTORCH-locked-products-NYC-Walgreens.html

[Biff Tannen 45673]

BLOWTORCH!!!!!

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Biff Tannen

[Incredulity 11665]

No, no,no in this instance the thieves are using the blowtorch.  I know it’s hard for you to recognize theft as a social ill.

[Foosters 17850]

14 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12224147/amp/Shocking-moment-brazen-thief-uses-BLOWTORCH-locked-products-NYC-Walgreens.html

No, dummy. A link to your claim that CA has decriminalized theft. 

I'm eager to inform the prosecutors who are currently prosecuting my clients for theft that their actions are illegal.

[mdmost 43001]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

No, no,no in this instance the thieves are using the blowtorch.  I know it’s hard for you to recognize theft as a social ill.

Just like it's hard to recognize NY is not California?

[Incredulity 11665]

43 minutes ago, Foosters said:

No, dummy. A link to your claim that CA has decriminalized theft. 

I'm eager to inform the prosecutors who are currently prosecuting my clients for theft that their actions are illegal.

Yup, prop 47, elimination of cash bail and refusal to prosecute has nothing to do with the explosion of retail theft in California.  
 

ItS HaPPenInG EveRYwHere!!!1!1

He was just hungry…and needed a fuckload of cold medicine.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Incredulity

[Foosters 17850]

18 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Yup, prop 47, elimination of cash bail and refusal to prosecute has nothing to do with the explosion of retail theft in California.  
 

ItS HaPPenInG EveRYwHere!!!1!1

He was just hungry…and needed a fuckload of cold medicine.

You really should stop regurgitating what you see in the right-wing info-sphere. Cash bail is still very much alive in CA. Next time you're in CA, feel free to swing by any public courthouse and watch judge after judge set cash bail. Prop 47 set the threshold amount at $950 for theft and property related crimes. Anything under $950 is a misdemeanor. You know what is is in Texas? $2500. So if you steal a bunch of shit in CA and it equals $1500, you're looking at a felony. In Texas, just a misdemeanor. You cannot argue that prop 47 encourages theft, without arguing that Texas's laws encourage more theft. And finally, your assertion that CA "refuses to prosecute" theft is another lie. Is it the prosecutors who are supposed to show up to retail stores and enforce the laws, or is there a different agency that is responsible for apprehending suspects and providing police reports/evidence? When police show up and arrest/cite someone, prosecutors file charges. 

Where does your confidence in your position come from? Don't you think its possible that you're being fed a bunch of bullshit?

[TwiceHorn 31450]

5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

You really should stop regurgitating what you see in the right-wing info-sphere. Cash bail is still very much alive in CA. Next time you're in CA, feel free to swing by any public courthouse and watch judge after judge set cash bail. Prop 47 set the threshold amount at $950 for theft and property related crimes. Anything under $950 is a misdemeanor. You know what is is in Texas? $2500. So if you steal a bunch of shit in CA and it equals $1500, you're looking at a felony. In Texas, just a misdemeanor. You cannot argue that prop 47 encourages theft, without arguing that Texas's laws encourage more theft. And finally, your assertion that CA "refuses to prosecute" theft is another lie. Is it the prosecutors who are supposed to show up to retail stores and enforce the laws, or is there a different agency that is responsible for apprehending suspects and providing police reports/evidence? When police show up and arrest/cite someone, prosecutors file charges. 

Where does your confidence in your position come from? Don't you think its possible that you're being fed a bunch of bullshit?

Not to mention, it's not like cops interdict shoplifting all the time.  

For the eleventy billionth time, it's not penalties that deter crime, except among upper class white dudes.

It's the likelihood of getting caught.

[Gil Bang 25944]

18 minutes ago, Foosters said:

You really should stop regurgitating what you see in the right-wing info-sphere. Cash bail is still very much alive in CA. Next time you're in CA, feel free to swing by any public courthouse and watch judge after judge set cash bail. Prop 47 set the threshold amount at $950 for theft and property related crimes. Anything under $950 is a misdemeanor. You know what is is in Texas? $2500. So if you steal a bunch of shit in CA and it equals $1500, you're looking at a felony. In Texas, just a misdemeanor. You cannot argue that prop 47 encourages theft, without arguing that Texas's laws encourage more theft. And finally, your assertion that CA "refuses to prosecute" theft is another lie. Is it the prosecutors who are supposed to show up to retail stores and enforce the laws, or is there a different agency that is responsible for apprehending suspects and providing police reports/evidence? When police show up and arrest/cite someone, prosecutors file charges. 

Where does your confidence in your position come from? Don't you think its possible that you're being fed a bunch of bullshit?

@Incredulity Foosters is a member of the criminal bar in Los Angeles County.   But go ahead and ignore him, and listen to what newsmax and OANN tell you.

[Gil Bang 25944]

As to cash bail; here in my town, the Farmer's Market is held on Saturdays at the courthouse (big parking lot).  I go there often.  All of those bail offices across from the courthouse...I haven't noticed any of them vacant with "for lease" signs on the windows.  They all appear to be open for business.

[Incredulity 11665]

Got it.  It’s smooth sailing in California, just fake news.

 

Well done.

 

 

 

[YGIFS 19450]

So we still need a petty crime tracker for CA/Portland/NYC  thread on this site?  

I wonder what the bumps are about sometimes, and it's teetering towards black man in Dayton doesn't bring back rental care full and illegally doesn't pay. 

[Gil Bang 25944]

18 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Got it.  It’s smooth sailing in California, just fake news.

 

Well done.

 

 

I haven't been able to find any "recent" property crime stats; just the ones from 2022.  But, the ones that I've found show several very red states with property crime rates higher than California's.   States like Oklahoma, Louisiana, S.C., Arkansas, and (gasp) Texas.  

All worse crime than California. 

Why do you suppose that is? 

And guess who's property crime rate is among the lowest in the country?  New York!  

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Gil Bang

[DalTxHornFan 3101]

28 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I haven't been able to find any "recent" property crime stats; just the ones from 2022.  But, the ones that I've found show several very red states with property crime rates higher than California's.   States like Oklahoma, Louisiana, S.C., Arkansas, and (gasp) Texas.  

All worse crime than California. 

Why do you suppose that is? 

And guess who's property crime rate is among the lowest in the country?  New York!  

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state

 

If property crimes are not reported -- the property crime rate goes way down.

[Gil Bang 25944]

are you implying that retailers in CA are less likely to report crimes than those in Oklahoma and Texas?  I'd love to see you show your work on that one.

[mdmost 43001]

43 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Got it.  It’s smooth sailing in California, just fake news.

 

Well done.

 

 

 

Got it. You got your ass handed to you, again, and now do your typical attempt to save face which just makes you look even more foolish. Like clockwork. 

[Incredulity 11665]

U.S. states by net domestic migration (From April 1, 2020 to July 1, 2022)

National rank	State	Total net domestic migration  (2020–2022)[1]	Net domestic migration rate  per 1,000 inhabitants
1	Florida	622,476	28.90
2	Texas	475,252	16.31
3	North Carolina	211,867	20.29
4	Arizona	182,362	25.50
5	South Carolina	165,948	32.42
6	Tennessee	146,403	21.18
7	Georgia	128,089	11.96
8	Idaho	88,647	48.20
9	Alabama	65,355	13.01
10	Oklahoma	56,807	14.35
11	Nevada	56,317	18.14
12	Utah	47,125	14.40
13	Montana	39,041	36.01
14	Arkansas	38,055	12.64
15	Maine	30,642	22.49
16	Delaware	27,119	27.39
17	Indiana	22,694	3.34
18	Missouri	20,233	3.29
19	Colorado	17,984	3.11
20	New Hampshire	16,038	11.64
21	South Dakota	14,711	16.59
22	Kentucky	14,102	3.13
23	Vermont	5,893	9.16
24	Wyoming	4,356	7.55
25	West Virginia	2,460	1.37
26	Connecticut	−76	−0.02
27	Oregon	−776	−0.18
28	New Mexico	−5,058	−2.39
29	Rhode Island	−5,281	−4.81
30	Iowa	−6,877	−2.16
31	North Dakota	−7,186	−9.22
32	Washington	−7,376	−0.96
33	Nebraska	−11,108	−5.66
34	Wisconsin	−11,383	−1.93
35	Mississippi	−11,408	−3.85
36	Alaska	−11,412	−15.56
37	Kansas	−14,392	−4.90
38	Pennsylvania	−16,218	−1.25
—	District of Columbia	−26,210	−38.01
39	Hawaii	−29,684	−20.40
40	Virginia	−29,775	−3.45
41	Minnesota	−37,377	−6.55
42	Ohio	−39,915	−3.38
43	Michigan	−43,188	−4.29
44	Maryland	−68,287	−11.05
45	Louisiana	−80,278	−17.24
46	New Jersey	−107,749	−11.60
47	Massachusetts	−110,866	−15.77
48	Illinois	−282,048	−22.01
49	New York	−664,921	−32.91
50	California	−871,127	−22.03

 

 

Thriving.

 

I’m sure it’s the dogshit weather driving this.

[Gil Bang 25944]

2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

U.S. states by net domestic migration (From April 1, 2020 to July 1, 2022)

National rank	State	Total net domestic migration  (2020–2022)[1]	Net domestic migration rate  per 1,000 inhabitants
1	Florida	622,476	28.90
2	Texas	475,252	16.31
3	North Carolina	211,867	20.29
4	Arizona	182,362	25.50
5	South Carolina	165,948	32.42
6	Tennessee	146,403	21.18
7	Georgia	128,089	11.96
8	Idaho	88,647	48.20
9	Alabama	65,355	13.01
10	Oklahoma	56,807	14.35
11	Nevada	56,317	18.14
12	Utah	47,125	14.40
13	Montana	39,041	36.01
14	Arkansas	38,055	12.64
15	Maine	30,642	22.49
16	Delaware	27,119	27.39
17	Indiana	22,694	3.34
18	Missouri	20,233	3.29
19	Colorado	17,984	3.11
20	New Hampshire	16,038	11.64
21	South Dakota	14,711	16.59
22	Kentucky	14,102	3.13
23	Vermont	5,893	9.16
24	Wyoming	4,356	7.55
25	West Virginia	2,460	1.37
26	Connecticut	−76	−0.02
27	Oregon	−776	−0.18
28	New Mexico	−5,058	−2.39
29	Rhode Island	−5,281	−4.81
30	Iowa	−6,877	−2.16
31	North Dakota	−7,186	−9.22
32	Washington	−7,376	−0.96
33	Nebraska	−11,108	−5.66
34	Wisconsin	−11,383	−1.93
35	Mississippi	−11,408	−3.85
36	Alaska	−11,412	−15.56
37	Kansas	−14,392	−4.90
38	Pennsylvania	−16,218	−1.25
—	District of Columbia	−26,210	−38.01
39	Hawaii	−29,684	−20.40
40	Virginia	−29,775	−3.45
41	Minnesota	−37,377	−6.55
42	Ohio	−39,915	−3.38
43	Michigan	−43,188	−4.29
44	Maryland	−68,287	−11.05
45	Louisiana	−80,278	−17.24
46	New Jersey	−107,749	−11.60
47	Massachusetts	−110,866	−15.77
48	Illinois	−282,048	−22.01
49	New York	−664,921	−32.91
50	California	−871,127	−22.03

 

 

Thriving.

 

I’m sure it’s the dogshit weather driving this.

Moved the goalposts, eh?

 

[Incredulity 11665]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

Moved the goalposts, eh?

 

Not at all.

Progressive crime policies have deteriorated quality of life in California.  People are voting with their feet.

 I know the Census Bureau is an asset of Fox/Newsmax/OAN…

[Bullneck 19079]

53 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Got it.  It’s smooth sailing in California, just fake news.

Well done.

Why don't you move to The Villages?  I hear it's nice there.

[Gil Bang 25944]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Not at all.

Progressive crime policies have deteriorated quality of life in California.  People are voting with their feet.

 I know the Census Bureau is an asset of Fox/Newsmax/OAN…

Of the two of us, I'm the motherfucker THAT LIVES IN CALIFORNIA, and here you are, telling me about my quality of life. 

High of 70 today, low of 58.  The pool is warming up.  I took a 10 mile bike ride this morning.  I didn't get robbed, and didn't see anybody shitting on the sidewalk, or using fentenyl.  But hey, you peruse right-wing websites, so you know better than me about life in California. 

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Why don't you move to The Villages?  I hear it's nice there.

They wouldn't invite that loser to any of their orgies. 

[Bullneck 19079]

10 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

U.S. states by net domestic migration (From April 1, 2020 to July 1, 2022)

National rank	State	Total net domestic migration  (2020–2022)[1]	Net domestic migration rate  per 1,000 inhabitants
1	Florida	622,476	28.90
2	Texas	475,252	16.31
3	North Carolina	211,867	20.29
4	Arizona	182,362	25.50
5	South Carolina	165,948	32.42
6	Tennessee	146,403	21.18
7	Georgia	128,089	11.96
8	Idaho	88,647	48.20
9	Alabama	65,355	13.01
10	Oklahoma	56,807	14.35
11	Nevada	56,317	18.14
12	Utah	47,125	14.40
13	Montana	39,041	36.01
14	Arkansas	38,055	12.64
15	Maine	30,642	22.49
16	Delaware	27,119	27.39
17	Indiana	22,694	3.34
18	Missouri	20,233	3.29
19	Colorado	17,984	3.11
20	New Hampshire	16,038	11.64
21	South Dakota	14,711	16.59
22	Kentucky	14,102	3.13
23	Vermont	5,893	9.16
24	Wyoming	4,356	7.55
25	West Virginia	2,460	1.37
26	Connecticut	−76	−0.02
27	Oregon	−776	−0.18
28	New Mexico	−5,058	−2.39
29	Rhode Island	−5,281	−4.81
30	Iowa	−6,877	−2.16
31	North Dakota	−7,186	−9.22
32	Washington	−7,376	−0.96
33	Nebraska	−11,108	−5.66
34	Wisconsin	−11,383	−1.93
35	Mississippi	−11,408	−3.85
36	Alaska	−11,412	−15.56
37	Kansas	−14,392	−4.90
38	Pennsylvania	−16,218	−1.25
—	District of Columbia	−26,210	−38.01
39	Hawaii	−29,684	−20.40
40	Virginia	−29,775	−3.45
41	Minnesota	−37,377	−6.55
42	Ohio	−39,915	−3.38
43	Michigan	−43,188	−4.29
44	Maryland	−68,287	−11.05
45	Louisiana	−80,278	−17.24
46	New Jersey	−107,749	−11.60
47	Massachusetts	−110,866	−15.77
48	Illinois	−282,048	−22.01
49	New York	−664,921	−32.91
50	California	−871,127	−22.03

Thriving.

I’m sure it’s the dogshit weather driving this.

What's your point exactly?