Lincoln Riley to USC

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6 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

It's why leaving was by far the best decision he could have made. He's not winning the SEC regularly the way he did the Big 12. He can do that at USC, but at this point USC would be thrilled to death to win the PAC once every 3 or 4 years. He gets lower expectations, an easier path to national championships, and a ceiling that is just as high as at OU. He also gets more money on top of that.

Have you MET our fans?? The standard is win the PAC every year

[Chooky 13340]

It's amazing to me that people have insisted on making Lynn Swann an executive of anything. Go ahead, hire Isiah Thomas next. 

[C-Man 27779]

1 hour ago, USC_TMB said:

Same guy who took the USC job, then bailed for the NFL before the ink was dry.  Fool me once…

In fairness to Coach Bro, it was a college OC job vs NFL HC job in Phoenix, which is adjacent to all that ASU pussy. That was an even bigger no-brainer than Riley taking the USC HC gig.

[ztejas 44227]

4 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

OU had one goal and one goal only during Lincoln's tenure - win a national title.  the Big 12 has been a joke.  it was a cakewalk for them.  they didn't give a flying fuck about winning another Big 12 title.

they had 3 seasons in a row with QBs who are currently starting in the NFL - two of whom were the overall number 1 picks in the league, and a guy taken in the 2nd round.  and they couldn't win a semifinal playoff game.

yeah, i get that UT fans would kill someone for Lincoln's record during that same timeframe.  but OU had totally different expectations than us, and the OU fans that i know were constantly disappointed because they lost the only games that mattered to them - the college football playoff games.  everything was just window dressing.

if you were here during the Mack Brown years, then you should know that winning 10+ games didn't immunize the fans from disappointment.

Give Texas a win over Nebraska and Colorado in 99 and 01 (granted Riley gets credit for the B12CG's he won) and Mack pre-05 isn't that different than Lincoln's run at OU. 

I think there's sort of a disconnect here where we are comparing Lincoln's run to Texas' past decade. There are plenty of Sooner fans disappointed with Lincoln's tenure. Ultimately you aren't shit at OU unless you win a title. Stoops won a title and he was about to get run off.

Mack fucking played for and should have won a title in 09 and we ran him off after 4 more seasons. 

The expectations at Texas and OU used to be similar. I'd argue they still are in some ways although as of now it takes more to get OU's fanbase excited.

Say Sark wins the conference 2 of the next 3 years and makes a couple playoffs only to get smacked in the first round. There 100% would be posters on here wondering if he's the right guy and bitching about it. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1314]

4 minutes ago, USC_TMB said:

Have you MET our fans?? The standard is win the PAC every year

I haven't met very many of them, but I am willing to bet that if in 2024, Lincoln Riley has averaged 9 wins per season and won the Pac 12 one time, he's not on the hot seat.

[nnm 37906]

44 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

It was easier for us to win national championships in the 90s SWC than the 2000s Big 12, too.  All we had to do was get through aggy and a bunch of really crappy teams.   For that matter, it was easier for us to win championships in the 2010s Big 12 than the 2000s Big 12.  

Except it turned out we got a lot better players and a lot more prestige and pollster love when we were perceived to be playing in the big leagues instead of the second rate conference, and that’s what you need to win championships. 

USC has usually played to the level of the rest of the conference, just like we did.   Somehow it’s not so easy for them to beat all those lame PAC 12 schools just like it’s not so easy for us to beat Iowa State or Baylor.

I throw the BS flag on that. If there was any semblance of competence in UT coaching, it would have been easier in the last 10 years to play for championships, including CFP, in this B12 than in the 90s and 2000s. The 10s B12, outside of OUSux and blips by TCU/Rapelor, should have been tailor-made for several championship runs by UT.  
The lack of prestige and pollster love is entirely due to coaching/development incompetence. If UT were winning 10-12 games in the 2000s B12, it would have gotten all the love it needed. ESPN and the rest of them would LOVE for UT to be back. UT hasn’t held up its end of the bargain. 

[G650 14437]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

The train is too far gone now. A lot of it was nonsensical hype but now 90% of high school players in the country have bought into the BS. Being in the SEC helps recruiting, and if your goal is winning a national title then you're going to have to be better than the top SEC teams. USC can be a little different because of location, but Texas can't. 

And this was actually my point, and I just have never seen Riley as having the mentality for it.

 

In some hypothetical world where I was a highly in demand football coach, I honestly am not sure what decision I would have made. Off hand I think I would have followed the path of least resistance and most money like Riley. But now that I am over 40, I freely admit I don't have the fire of even say 10 years ago, so maybe that's just the laziness talking.

 

But the greater point is guys who have the mentality to win championships are not fleeing the prospect of playing in the SEC.

 

 

[G650 14437]

11 minutes ago, USC_TMB said:

Have you MET our fans?? The standard is win the PAC every year

I can confirm that USC fans are insufferable.

[TexArcher 39072]

21 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

It's why leaving was by far the best decision he could have made. He's not winning the SEC regularly the way he did the Big 12. He can do that at USC, but at this point USC would be thrilled to death to win the PAC once every 3 or 4 years. He gets lower expectations, an easier path to national championships, and a ceiling that is just as high as at OU. He also gets more money on top of that.

And his neighbors will be respectable cokeheads instead of methy trailer trash.

[AUS-97HORN 12051]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

I can confirm that USC fans are insufferable.

especially when they have the greatest team in history.

and yet somehow lose to guy named Vince

[ztejas 44227]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

And this was actually my point, and I just have never seen Riley as having the mentality for it.

 

In some hypothetical world where I was a highly in demand football coach, I honestly am not sure what decision I would have made. Off hand I think I would have followed the path of least resistance and most money like Riley. But now that I am over 40, I freely admit I don't have the fire of even say 10 years ago, so maybe that's just the laziness talking.

 

But the greater point is guys who have the mentality to win championships are not fleeing the prospect of playing in the SEC.

 

 

Keep in mind it may not have been 100% Riley's decision to stay on at OU long term. There could have been people in his ear already at OU about expectations - let alone after the pokes loss. I'm confident he would survive this season but maybe slip up a bit more and go 9-3 or 8-4 next year with a Texas loss? OU's patience would be paper thin at that point. 

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1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

OU had one goal and one goal only during Lincoln's tenure - win a national title.  the Big 12 has been a joke.  it was a cakewalk for them.  they didn't give a flying fuck about winning another Big 12 title.

they had 3 seasons in a row with QBs who are currently starting in the NFL - two of whom were the overall number 1 picks in the league, and a guy taken in the 2nd round.  and they couldn't win a semifinal playoff game.

yeah, i get that UT fans would kill someone for Lincoln's record during that same timeframe.  but OU had totally different expectations than us, and the OU fans that i know were constantly disappointed because they lost the only games that mattered to them - the college football playoff games.  everything was just window dressing.

if you were here during the Mack Brown years, then you should know that winning 10+ games didn't immunize the fans from disappointment.

it's almost like winning a national championship is fucking hard or something.

i was around when Mack was here.

Mack won exactly two conference titles in 16 years. Riley won 4 in his first 4. He had huge swings, which Riley didn't

[BabaYaga 15625]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Keep in mind it may not have been 100% Riley's decision to stay on at OU long term. There could have been people in his ear already at OU about expectations - let alone after the pokes loss. I'm confident he would survive this season but maybe slip up a bit more and go 9-3 or 8-4 next year with a Texas loss? OU's patience would be paper thin at that point. 

I'm sure he saw the rockslide that was about to happen and wanted to strike while he was still a big name in coaching and could command a large contract.  

[Satchel 6982]

1 hour ago, tfoolry said:

 

 

I don’t get the anger directed at LR. This is business. Just as the decision to join the Sec is business.

[ztejas 44227]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

it's almost like winning a national championship is fucking hard or something.

i was around when Mack was here.

Mack won exactly two conference titles in 16 years. Riley won 4 in his first 4. He had huge swings, which Riley didn't

 

OU doesn't play football to win conference titles. Especially in a dogshit conference like the B12 has been since TCU and Baylor were any good. All they care about is the season highlighted in orange and the one that should have been highlighted in orange 4 rows beneath that. Lincoln didn't have one season like either of those in 5 years. 

Also - Mack was rebuilding the program from 98 to 03. Lincoln didn't have to rebuild shit. Mack had 3 1 loss and one undefeated season in the next 6 years. Lincoln has had 0. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by ztejas

[4th&Five 42005]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I don’t get the anger directed at LR. This is business. Just as the decision to join the Sec is business.

Seriously? You don’t get it? Are you new to CFB?

[ztejas 44227]

I mean - this can all be summed up really fucking easily. How many of you would trade the '05 season for EVERYTHING OU has done since 2000? 

[G650 14437]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Keep in mind it may not have been 100% Riley's decision to stay on at OU long term. There could have been people in his ear already at OU about expectations - let alone after the pokes loss. I'm confident he would survive this season but maybe slip up a bit more and go 9-3 or 8-4 next year with a Texas loss? OU's patience would be paper thin at that point. 

Certainly could be the case, but that is only reinforcing what I am saying about him.

[NoName 17148]

Just now, ztejas said:

OU doesn't play football to win conference titles. Especially in a dogshit conference like the B12 has been since TCU and Baylor were any good. All they care about is the season highlighted in orange and the one that should have been highlighted in orange 4 rows beneath that. Lincoln didn't have one season like either of those in 5 years. 

well those guys have the exact same number of national championships in the last 20 years as Texas. they also only have 2 NCs in the last 40 years (1 more than Texas there too)

...maybe they should more accurately and realistically set their expectations in the national championship department.

[ztejas 44227]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

Certainly could be the case, but that is only reinforcing what I am saying about him.

Sure - just saying his "prospect" of playing in the SEC could have been starting to get a little precarious. 

[Tex48 852]

 

[ztejas 44227]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

...maybe they should more accurately and realistically set their expectations in the national championship department.

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[ztejas 44227]

2 minutes ago, Tex48 said:

 

Sheeeit he was gone anyway. 

[stork642 4511]

19 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I don’t get the anger directed at LR. This is business. Just as the decision to join the Sec is business.

Well in Oklahoma it’s like your sister making out with your other brother instead of you.  Some things are sacred.  It’s kinda of a hillbilly no no unless you’re the other brother.  

Edited November 29, 2021 by stork642

[Jive Turkey 13004]

5 minutes ago, NoName said:

...maybe they should more accurately and realistically set their expectations in the national championship department.

oh absolutely.  i'm just saying that Lincoln was always going to be compared to Bud Wilkinson, Barry, and Stoops among the OU faithful.  and for those folks, they only care about crystal balls (or whatever fucking trophy they give for national titles these days).

[Nicole44 22315]

Well if OU did replace LR with Venables that’s pretty damn good job on ADs part. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for Bob’s war room for the bowl game with whatever assembled staff…

[NoName 17148]

1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

Well if OU did replace LR with Venables that’s pretty damn good job on ADs part. I wish I could be a fly on the wall for Bob’s war room for the bowl game with whatever assembled staff…

it's not a bad move. lets Venables focus on recruiting and getting the operation up and going.

[ztejas 44227]

4 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

they only care about crystal balls (or whatever fucking trophy they give for national titles these days

Crystal dicks in OU's case. 

[DFW Horn 6653]

3 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

oh absolutely.  i'm just saying that Lincoln was always going to be compared to Bud Wilkinson, Barry, and Stoops among the OU faithful.  and for those folks, they only care about crystal balls (or whatever fucking trophy they give for national titles these days).

Golden dongs or whatever this phallic symbol is supposed to be

[Xminus6 839]

8 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Whatever you do. Don’t look up the value of it today lol.  I have some friends that bought a house in Torrance for 800K just to tear it down so they can build what they want haha 

Man, I know. It was a lousy little house on a mediocre street (Oak Ave) in a great neighborhood in MB. If I could have held onto that place when we moved I would have. It was bought by our rich next door neighbor and torn down. It’s a basketball court now. I can’t complain too much, we still live in CA just in the East Bay. Our house up here has done well for us.

I was just literally laughing at the faux concern that if Riley bought a house on the beach in MB that he could lose as much as A MILLION DOLLARS in value on the house on a whim. Of course, that would be less than 10% of the value of the home, but A MILLION DOLLARS! If he buys on the upswing, the house will be worth more than $1mm than what he paid for it in a couple years, plus you get to stare at the ocean for the whole time you live there.

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

If they hire Venables today then they saw this coming.

[Gidnik 3488]

2 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Wonder which school grabs him? 

unpopular i hope we do. he would immediately be the most talented guy weve had in 10 years. 

[Vertigo 20496]

7 minutes ago, NoName said:

it's not a bad move. lets Venables focus on recruiting and getting the operation up and going.

With how quickly this went down, I would imagine it will take Venables a bit to get his staff put together. All that being said, I feel like this is a respectable hire but a definite step back. 

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1 minute ago, Xminus6 said:

, plus you get to stare at the ocean for the whole time you live there.

If you're doing your job as a HC of a P5 blueblood there shouldn't be much time to sit at home staring at the ocean.

[BachelorTrek 3321]

Gary Gibbs REDUX!!  Lulz!

[BachelorTrek 3321]

11 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Golden dongs or whatever this phallic symbol is supposed to be

That's the only trophy I've ever seen that looked like both a dong and a vag simultaneously......  Which may be the point! Lulz.

[Surly Bevo 25748]

Last time OU hired a DC from a school out east it went ok for them.

[Nicole44 22315]

11 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If they hire Venables today then they saw this coming.

Compared to LR Venables is a grown ass man so ya…

[Huckleberry 34654]

17 minutes ago, NoName said:

it's not a bad move. lets Venables focus on recruiting and getting the operation up and going.

No, Venables can't recruit while Stoops is acting head coach.

[nnm 37906]

4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

No, Venables can't recruit while Stoops is acting head coach.

Because that's an NCAA violation?  Remind me why that is important to OUSux?

[Rockethorn1978 6205]

5 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

No, Venables can't recruit while Stoops is acting head coach.

Right right ou follows the rules 

[BachelorTrek 3321]

Maybe the Vulnerables hire is more like being welcomed back by Dr. Evil:

Or more like Welcome Back, Kotter!  Lulz.

 

[NoName 17148]

7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

No, Venables can't recruit while Stoops is acting head coach.

sorry, identifying dudes (back end) and getting staff in place vs game planning for bowl game

[tx ind 7057]

Stoops sounds drunk, lol

[BachelorTrek 3321]

1 minute ago, tx ind said:

Stoops sounds drunk, lol

How Switzer of him!

[C-Man 27779]

38 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I mean - this can all be summed up really fucking easily. How many of you would trade the '05 season for EVERYTHING OU has done since 2000? 

We get their NC in 2000? If so, absofuckinglutely I trade 2005 for everything they've done from 2000-now, namely win 14 Big 12 titles and post a 16-7 record against Texas. We also wouldn't have abject dog-shit history since 2010. Is this a real question?

[JMFP 1126]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

No, Venables can't recruit while Stoops is acting head coach.

What if he's acting DC?

[lilMAC25 3999]

2 hours ago, texashorn13 said:

From someone in the room...he didn't walk out, he was forced out.  He started to cry while telling the team, and Demarco Murray cut him off and had a few choice words for him.  Told him to cut the bullshit and GTFO, called him fake, and said he made a choice and to quit crying.  A few seconds later Nick Bonitto dropped an F U and left the room.  That's when Lincoln walked out.

I hope it destroys that team

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