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Bozo_Casanova · June 23

On 6/21/2024 at 8:27 PM, Armybrat said:

You could start with one of these and build on it….

https://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/specSheets/11112.html

Love mine and runs great suppressed.

Armybrat · June 23

23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Love mine and runs great suppressed.

I’d love one, but am finding it difficult to wrap my mind around the price tag on those.

This last 10/22 I bought in 1977 was around $50.

Bozo_Casanova · June 23

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

I’d love one, but am finding it difficult to wrap my mind around the price tag on those

I got a deal on one at McBride’s, of all places. It was used, but I’d be shocked if it had more than 20 rounds through it- wasn’t even broken in.

HOOKEM4 · June 23

The VM-22 is awesome, but I don't know about starting at 1500 before optics for a 22 plinker. I have a 10/22 but it is an OG version and would hate to mod it. May just get a new threaded version and go from there.

Herbie Hancock · June 23

I need another 22 like a need another kid, but this one speaks to me

https://www.academy.com/p/ruger-precision-rimfire-fde-22lr-rifle

Armybrat · June 23

What will that do that these couldn’t?

solamente73 · June 23

If y'all recall, earlier this year I went searching for a new bolt action rifle that would primarily serve as the weapon of choice for African plains game and, secondarily, as a "go-to" rifle for North American game from deer to Moose and everything in between. Thanks to all of you who chimed in on that discussion. After evaluating an metric shit-ton of rifles and a whole host of calibers, I went with the new Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra chambered in 300WM (I posted about it here). Thanks again to @Handcruser for the hookup with Arnzen Arms.

I've spent the last few months getting to know the rifle, and the rifle has met or exceeded my expectations, especially at its $1100 retail price-point.

This is the set-up I'm taking to Africa:

The system:

Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra in 300WM
Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44 BT Plex with a fancy Swaro screw-in objective lens cover and magnetic catch
Warne Mountain Tech 1 inch low matte rings
Zero MOA Remington LA Mountain Tech tactical rail
Vortex Lo Pro Bubblevel
Dead Air Sandman-S suppressor with Keymo QD brake
MDT Oryx swivel-mount bipod
Slogan long magnum sling
Federal Terminal Ascent 200gr at 2743ft/s out of a 22" barrel

I tested several proven types of plains game ammunition, including Norma Oryx, Nosler Accubonds and Partitions, and Barnes TTSX (all in 180gr), but I went with the Terminal Ascent 200gr as the gun just liked it better, plus it delivers more energy out past 100 yards and the bullet seems to be an updated, modern version of the Partition. It consistently shoots sub-MOA off the bench. Example:

And off of shooting sticks, I can consistently ring steel at 300 yards with "groups" around 1-2MOA:

That should be good enough for plains game. BTW, the Swaro ballistics calculator works very well, and I should be good out to 600 yards (only to 400 tested). I plan to keep shots in the 300-400 range max, though.

After a cleaning, the gun definitely likes a fouling shot or two, after which groups settle in until opening up again around 30 rounds. It's been a repeatable process.

@Anastasis a while ago you asked about shooting bolts suppressed. It's been a dream compared to my unsuppressed/unbraked 300 Weatherby Mag. Recoil is more of a "push," very manageable, and the sound suppression really makes a difference in hunting scenarios. The brake seems to lessen recoil a tad more, but I prefer the overall effect / experience shooting suppressed. The 22" barrel really helps maneuverability.

I'm off to Africa today. We'll see how this thing performs in the field. I'll hop over to the hunting thread to update when access to internet permits.

Handcruser · June 23

If y'all recall, earlier this year I went searching for a new bolt action rifle that would primarily serve as the weapon of choice for African plains game and, secondarily, as a "go-to" rifle for North American game from deer to Moose and everything in between. Thanks to all of you who chimed in on that discussion. After evaluating an metric shit-ton of rifles and a whole host of calibers, I went with the new Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra chambered in 300WM (I posted about it here). Thanks again to [mention=214]Handcruser[/mention] for the hookup with Arnzen Arms.
I've spent the last few months getting to know the rifle, and the rifle has met or exceeded my expectations, especially at its $1100 retail price-point.
This is the set-up I'm taking to Africa:

The system:
Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra in 300WM
Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44 BT Plex with a fancy Swaro screw-in objective lens cover and magnetic catch
Warne Mountain Tech 1 inch low matte rings
Zero MOA Remington LA Mountain Tech tactical rail
Vortex Lo Pro Bubblevel
Dead Air Sandman-S suppressor with Keymo QD brake
MDT Oryx swivel-mount bipod
Slogan long magnum sling
Federal Terminal Ascent 200gr at 2743ft/s out of a 22" barrel
I tested several proven types of plains game ammunition, including Norma Oryx, Nosler Accubonds and Partitions, and Barnes TTSX (all in 180gr), but I went with the Terminal Ascent 200gr as the gun just liked it better, plus it delivers more energy out past 100 yards and the bullet seems to be an updated, modern version of the Partition. It consistently shoots sub-MOA off the bench. Example:

And off of shooting sticks, I can consistently ring steel at 300 yards with "groups" around 1-2MOA:

That should be good enough for plains game. BTW, the Swaro ballistics calculator works very well, and I should be good out to 600 yards (only to 400 tested). I plan to keep shots in the 300-400 range max, though.
After a cleaning, the gun definitely likes a fouling shot or two, after which groups settle in until opening up again around 30 rounds. It's been a repeatable process.
[mention=179]Anastasis[/mention] a while ago you asked about shooting bolts suppressed. It's been a dream compared to my unsuppressed/unbraked 300 Weatherby Mag. Recoil is more of a "push," very manageable, and the sound suppression really makes a difference in hunting scenarios. The brake seems to lessen recoil a tad more, but I prefer the overall effect / experience shooting suppressed. The 22" barrel really helps maneuverability.
I'm off to Africa today. We'll see how this thing performs in the field. I'll hop over to the hunting thread to update when access to internet permits.

Dude that rig is awesome. Glad I could be a small part of it.

Send pics from Africa and don’t let us down.

Armybrat · June 23

I’d post pics of my targets, but I don’t have a panoramic camera.

Armybrat · June 23

Hot deal for Sig P365 ……. $399.99 today only…(1 ten round mag)

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/sig-p365-9mm-luger-31in-two-toned-cerakote-pistol-101-rounds/p/1824691

June 24

If y'all recall, earlier this year I went searching for a new bolt action rifle that would primarily serve as the weapon of choice for African plains game and, secondarily, as a "go-to" rifle for North American game from deer to Moose and everything in between. Thanks to all of you who chimed in on that discussion. After evaluating an metric shit-ton of rifles and a whole host of calibers, I went with the new Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra chambered in 300WM (I posted about it here). Thanks again to [mention=214]Handcruser[/mention] for the hookup with Arnzen Arms.
I've spent the last few months getting to know the rifle, and the rifle has met or exceeded my expectations, especially at its $1100 retail price-point.
This is the set-up I'm taking to Africa:

The system:
Bergara B-14 Wilderness Sierra in 300WM
Swaro Z5 3.5-18x44 BT Plex with a fancy Swaro screw-in objective lens cover and magnetic catch
Warne Mountain Tech 1 inch low matte rings
Zero MOA Remington LA Mountain Tech tactical rail
Vortex Lo Pro Bubblevel
Dead Air Sandman-S suppressor with Keymo QD brake
MDT Oryx swivel-mount bipod
Slogan long magnum sling
Federal Terminal Ascent 200gr at 2743ft/s out of a 22" barrel
I tested several proven types of plains game ammunition, including Norma Oryx, Nosler Accubonds and Partitions, and Barnes TTSX (all in 180gr), but I went with the Terminal Ascent 200gr as the gun just liked it better, plus it delivers more energy out past 100 yards and the bullet seems to be an updated, modern version of the Partition. It consistently shoots sub-MOA off the bench. Example:

And off of shooting sticks, I can consistently ring steel at 300 yards with "groups" around 1-2MOA:

That should be good enough for plains game. BTW, the Swaro ballistics calculator works very well, and I should be good out to 600 yards (only to 400 tested). I plan to keep shots in the 300-400 range max, though.
After a cleaning, the gun definitely likes a fouling shot or two, after which groups settle in until opening up again around 30 rounds. It's been a repeatable process.
[mention=179]Anastasis[/mention] a while ago you asked about shooting bolts suppressed. It's been a dream compared to my unsuppressed/unbraked 300 Weatherby Mag. Recoil is more of a "push," very manageable, and the sound suppression really makes a difference in hunting scenarios. The brake seems to lessen recoil a tad more, but I prefer the overall effect / experience shooting suppressed. The 22" barrel really helps maneuverability.
I'm off to Africa today. We'll see how this thing performs in the field. I'll hop over to the hunting thread to update when access to internet permits.

The Federal Terminal Ascent is the “old”Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, which is an awesome bullet of very intelligent design. (federal bought them out a few years ago) You get the strength/penetration of a monometal with some lead up front for better down range energy retention and big expansion/fragmentation in the vitals. I set my dad’s 7 Rem Mag up with them when we went to Africa in ‘18. That bullet was considered then to maybe be the best 7mm bullet for African game; an awesome 300win mag choice as well.

What area are you going to and what species are you targeting?

If broadside, shoot critters in the shoulder, right up the front leg, their vitals are further forward than our critters’ are.

Take tons of photos!

solamente73 · June 24

31 minutes ago, 686 said:

The Federal Terminal Ascent is the “old”Trophy Bonded Bear Claw, which is an awesome bullet of very intelligent design. (federal bought them out a few years ago) You get the strength/penetration of a monometal with some lead up front for better down range energy retention and big expansion/fragmentation in the vitals. I set my dad’s 7 Rem Mag up with them when we went to Africa in ‘18. That bullet was considered then to maybe be the best 7mm bullet for African game; an awesome 300win mag choice as well.

What area are you going to and what species are you targeting?

If broadside, shoot critters in the shoulder, right up the front leg, their vitals are further forward than our critters’ are.

That’s right, I had forgotten about the TBBC. You are spot on with what the TA supposed to do. I think it will be perfect for a wide range of game from springbok to eland.

If we ever get to SA (4 hour delay in DFW, mad dash to make connection in Newark which was delayed 3 hours and now we have been sitting on the tarmac for 1.5 hours in a further weather delay that is supposed to last another hour, but I digress…), we will be hunting the Eastern Cape, half the time in the Karoo and the other half closer to the coast.

On my list are kudu, gemsbok, impala, blue wildebeest, red hartebeest, bushbuck, blesbok, springbok, trophy warthog. But anything can happen.

Roger that on shot placement. I have a pocket copy of Robertson’s Perfect Shot that I’ve been studying.

I’ll post more in the hunting thread. Don’t want to derail here.

BabaYaga · June 24

So I apparently was born to the wrong parents. My buddies dad in Jackson Hole. Multiple offers for adoption have not been responded to....

BTW, the safe. It's one of five. The .50. Fully functional, albeit on semi only.

Sigh.....

Armybrat · June 24

19 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Hot deal for Sig P365 ……. $399.99 today only…(1 ten round mag)

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/sig-p365-9mm-luger-31in-two-toned-cerakote-pistol-101-rounds/p/1824691

Back up to $509.99 today.

BabaYaga · June 24

59 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Back up to $509.99 today.

Great little gun, even at the higher price point. Mine's been money

Lat22 · June 25

On 6/23/2024 at 4:29 PM, Armybrat said:

Hot deal for Sig P365 ……. $399.99 today only…(1 ten round mag)

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/sig-p365-9mm-luger-31in-two-toned-cerakote-pistol-101-rounds/p/1824691

That’s my EDC.

Armybrat · June 26

Another one day hot deal….

CZ75 SP-01…… $599.99.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/cz-75-sp-01-9mm-4-6-19rd-black-89352.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=pm&utm_term=06-26-2024&utm_content=51655140257

Macanudo · June 29

Fun news/bad news...

Fun, I shot a full auto and suppressed B&T APC9 the other day. That was a lot of fun. Put a 100 rounds through it.

Bad, I sent my Banshee back to CMMG for a tuneup. It was stovepiping a lot. Gunsmith at my range said it's overgassed and tolerances were kind of shitty. Hoping CMMG can fix it.

Bozo_Casanova · July 1

PSA is selling the RDB17 for $700 through7/4

cabowabo · July 1

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

PSA is selling the RDB17 for $700 through7/4

Great suppressor host.

Parliament · July 4

Great, non-CR write up on why silencer approvals are happening so fast. Turns out there’s at least one competent DC bureaucrat, and he works for the ATF now.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/atf-suppressor-wait-times/

Bozo_Casanova · July 5

Anybody got a good local source for .45LC blanks in Austin?

Edited July 5 by Bozo_Casanova

General Specific · July 5

https://fluxdefense.com/shop/365-raider

Thoughts? Just need a P365 host, and you’re good.

Handcruser · July 5

https://fluxdefense.com/shop/365-raider

Thoughts? Just need a P365 host, and you’re good.

Why

Johnny Chimpo · July 5

What’s the thread wisdom on SBR/Pistol 300 BO uppers. Doing research it seems like Radian makes a badass one. So does Q, the honey badger. The sig rattler also looks pretty dope.

Should I get a prebuilt complete upper or build one out? I’m thinking like a 9” hand guard, 10.5” barrel.

There’s also a huge price difference between the Gucci makers and then just putting together something like ballistic advantage or Aero. Is that cost difference just branding? How real is it on something that’s useful range is probably under a hundred yards?

Does the lower manufacturer make a big difference? People online act like Radians lowers are the end-all be all. But for 500 vs 80 for an aero what’s the real difference?

Edited July 5 by Johnny Chimpo

Handcruser · July 5

What’s the thread wisdom on SBR/Pistol 300 BO uppers. Doing research it seems like Radian makes a badass one. So does Q, the honey badger. The sig rattler also looks pretty dope.

Should I get a prebuilt complete upper or build one out? I’m thinking like a 9” hand guard, 10.5” barrel.

There’s also a huge price difference between the Gucci makers and then just putting together something like ballistic advantage or Aero. Is that cost difference just branding? How real is it on something that’s useful range is probably under a hundred yards?

Does the lower manufacturer make a big difference? People online act like Radians lowers are the end-all be all. But for 500 vs 80 for an aero what’s the real difference?

Man it doesn’t make a shit really. Quality gear is quality gear. If you were doing 3 gun we could make a case for it perhaps in regards to weight or balance or something - maybe small parts.

Buy an aero upper, perhaps a dirty bird handguard, faxon barrel, aero upper parts kit, and a nice bcg and start slinging rounds down range.

Plz install an adjustable gas block - Aeros is fantastic for the price. Don’t buy a gas block because it’s more expensive - just get the aero.

Armybrat · July 5

22 hours ago, Parliament said:

Great, non-CR write up on why silencer approvals are happening so fast. Turns out there’s at least one competent DC bureaucrat, and he works for the ATF now.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/atf-suppressor-wait-times/

The ATF bureaucrat who enabled that improvement will probably get canned.
(Pun intended)

Handcruser · July 5

What’s the thread wisdom on SBR/Pistol 300 BO uppers. Doing research it seems like Radian makes a badass one. So does Q, the honey badger. The sig rattler also looks pretty dope.

Should I get a prebuilt complete upper or build one out? I’m thinking like a 9” hand guard, 10.5” barrel.

There’s also a huge price difference between the Gucci makers and then just putting together something like ballistic advantage or Aero. Is that cost difference just branding? How real is it on something that’s useful range is probably under a hundred yards?

Does the lower manufacturer make a big difference? People online act like Radians lowers are the end-all be all. But for 500 vs 80 for an aero what’s the real difference?

Also radian lowers are ambi so that always costs more but it won’t make you shoot better. Some makers have a set screw option which makes the fit better but honestly it’s not a deal breaker.

Aero m4e1 stuff is great. My go to 300bo is all aero.

fattyflattie · July 5

I’ve got some real high end shit, and several Aeros too. They are more than fine for even a nice 300BO. They aren’t PSA.

Reagan1k · July 5

53 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I’ve got some real high end shit, and several Aeros too. They are more than fine for even a nice 300BO. They aren’t PSA.

Ditto. Hell, my pig shooter 300BO pistol is a PSA. It goes bang.

If I was dependent on it for my life everyday I wouldn't want it, but to bang around in the truck and fire 2-3 shots here or there, it works and was cheap.

LPVO on top if it is the only real value I have in it.

Just match the tool to the chore with ARs and you won't be disappointed or have financial regrets.

Johnny Chimpo · July 5

That makes a lot of sense! Thanks

General Specific · July 5

This!

Purpose drives the $. Main thing I focus on after that, is setup of accessories across the fleet. Same triggers, controls, etc..

For example, I found years ago, the Geissle maritime bolt catch to be awesome. Every one of my ARs has the exact same setup.

Parliament · July 6

21 hours ago, Johnny Chimpo said:

What’s the thread wisdom on SBR/Pistol 300 BO uppers. Doing research it seems like Radian makes a badass one. So does Q, the honey badger. The sig rattler also looks pretty dope.

Should I get a prebuilt complete upper or build one out? I’m thinking like a 9” hand guard, 10.5” barrel.

Why would you pass on the joy of building your own AR15?

21 hours ago, Handcruser said:

Man it doesn’t make a shit really. Quality gear is quality gear. If you were doing 3 gun we could make a case for it perhaps in regards to weight or balance or something - maybe small parts.

Buy an aero upper, perhaps a dirty bird handguard, faxon barrel, aero upper parts kit, and a nice bcg and start slinging rounds down range.

Plz install an adjustable gas block - Aeros is fantastic for the price. Don’t buy a gas block because it’s more expensive - just get the aero.

Something like this. And imho, an adjustable gas block is mandatory for any AR. Nice to dial down the gas for recoil mitigation.

deft · July 6

Also radian lowers are ambi so that always costs more but it won’t make you shoot better. Some makers have a set screw option which makes the fit better but honestly it’s not a deal breaker.

Aero m4e1 stuff is great. My go to 300bo is all aero.

What’s your barrel length and hand guard length in this set up? Do you wear gloves with it?

Mighty fine · July 6

My brother picked this up as a 6th birthday gift for my son. It's Birmingham Small Arms falling block .357, made in Australia. Don't know very much about it yet, but a pretty neat little gun

Handcruser · July 6

What’s your barrel length and hand guard length in this set up? Do you wear gloves with it?

9” handguard
8” barrel

No gloves needed

Handcruser · July 6

What’s your barrel length and hand guard length in this set up? Do you wear gloves with it?

And that is an aero quantum handguard which requires a barrel nut. They don’t make them anymore but they are still in the supply chain.

1.75” internal diameter. It’s my fave.

Handcruser · July 6

Thought I would share my purchase this week….

July 7

@Handcruser Nice! have you been to their facility in Florence? I’m taking a tour next month, will be interested to see what it’s like.

Handcruser · July 7

[mention=214]Handcruser[/mention] Nice! have you been to their facility in Florence? I’m taking a tour next month, will be interested to see what it’s like.

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Ha. Yes I have.

deft · July 7

9” handguard
8” barrel

No gloves needed

Nice. Do you run your support hand all the way forward? And when you say it needs a barrel nut, you’re saying a proprietary nut? I love super slim handguards like my bcm but it would never fit over my sdn6.

Handcruser · July 7

Nice. Do you run your support hand all the way forward? And when you say it needs a barrel nut, you’re saying a proprietary nut? I love super slim handguards like my bcm but it would never fit over my sdn6.

On my shortys im usually just forward of the mag well, sometimes using mag well as a vertical grip kinda.

Yes.

Speedtrucker · July 7

The ATF bureaucrat who enabled that improvement will probably get canned.
(Pun intended)

As with most political nominees, they often are asked to step down when presidents change.

As long as it’s an “acting” figurehead, we never get squat done. We have this happen across the board. When I was up in Chicago for 3 years, we had an acting head until the last 3 months I was there. It was impossible to get shit changed internally and then all of our fellow agencies couldn’t agree on shit either.

I saw that article earlier and it confirmed what our resident agents were saying. On of my old agents did a stint in NFA and he broke it down the same way years ago, just like the article.

RPM · July 9

Oklahoma, Alabama now has vending machines for bullets in grocery stores

Armybrat · July 9

Just a gimmick, IMO.

I’ll continue to order in bulk from SGammo & similar outlets.

fattyflattie · July 9

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

Just a gimmick, IMO.

I’ll continue to order in bulk from SGammo & similar outlets.

Also, I guarantee that machine is better at checking ID than the kid at academy.

BHMCruiser · July 9

The real utility of this is for hunters. If you can buy a box of ammo at night when all the stores are closed so you can hunt in the morning, that's a great solution. I looked online but was fuzzy about what calibers are offered.

YGIFS · July 10

Man, the new HEB buddy bucks program seems somewhat dangerous

Handcruser · July 10

Stupid.

Reagan1k · July 10

Lots of small town grocery, convenience, and hardware stores already sell ammunition.

Solution looking for a problem.

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