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On 12/17/2023 at 9:25 PM, Elvis said:

We had a fun day target shooting this weekend in Abilene. It made for a nice afternoon away from the women with my older son and my brother. 
 

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We will be redoing this shoot-em-up this weekend in Abilene this weekend.  Last year it was my me, my brother, and my 14yo son.  This year we are adding my 11yo son (12 in January).  

 

He has played paintball and airsoft, so he knows how to shoot.  He hasn't ever shot a real gun before.  My brother and I will be all over him about safety and teach him everything.

 

HOWEVER,  I was thinking there might be a Youtube video that I could watch with him that would be a good introduction to safety.  

 

Can anyone recommend a good safety training video for a first time shooter?  Thanks y'all!

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16 hours ago, Elvis said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We will be redoing this shoot-em-up this weekend in Abilene this weekend.  Last year it was my me, my brother, and my 14yo son.  This year we are adding my 11yo son (12 in January).  

 

He has played paintball and airsoft, so he knows how to shoot.  He hasn't ever shot a real gun before.  My brother and I will be all over him about safety and teach him everything.

 

HOWEVER,  I was thinking there might be a Youtube video that I could watch with him that would be a good introduction to safety.  

 

Can anyone recommend a good safety training video for a first time shooter?  Thanks y'all!

Practice dry-fire exercises for a while with supervision.  Guessing .22lr pistol?  Semi or revolver?  Get him intimately learned on how it operates.  Loading.  Unloading.  Checking to see if it's loaded.  How to chamber a round if semi, lock his arms out, take aim, they "click".  Repeat, repeat, repeat.  

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Practice dry-fire exercises for a while with supervision.  Guessing .22lr pistol?  Semi or revolver?  Get him intimately learned on how it operates.  Loading.  Unloading.  Checking to see if it's loaded.  How to chamber a round if semi, lock his arms out, take aim, they "click".  Repeat, repeat, repeat.  

Good idea. I don’t have a 22 pistol for him. Smallest is 9mm. My older son is bringing his 22 rifle. I’ll see if my brother has a 22 pistol. 

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17 hours ago, Elvis said:

Good idea. I don’t have a 22 pistol for him. Smallest is 9mm. My older son is bringing his 22 rifle. I’ll see if my brother has a 22 pistol. 

If not, here is a good Christmas present for your youngest, my son's first gun:

https://www.academy.com/p/heritage-rough-rider-22-caliber-revolver-200023427

That is even the same price that I paid for CHIEF Jr.'s twenty years ago. It has had about a million subsonic rounds through it. Pretty quite, and great for plinking.

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Well, CHIEF Jr. is happier than a pup with two peckers. Palmetto still had the best price but the $899 sale was over, so $1250 later he got what he wanted. I spent enough on the gun, it will be up to him to rig it out like he wants. 

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That is a 22 round capacity mag, also has a flush mount mag that still holds 15 in a double stack. The trigger pull is amazing.

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10mm ammo wasn't quite as big as I was expecting.

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The end of our range day on Monday had my dad getting my middle offspring to attempt firing the garand from the hip. I think h e kept raising it higher with each round as if to shoulder it before he pinged the clip.

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Yes he has on eye pro but needs a haircut.

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23 hours ago, deft said:

The end of our range day on Monday had my dad getting my middle offspring to attempt firing the garand from the hip. I think h e kept raising it higher with each round as if to shoulder it before he pinged the clip.

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Yes he has on eye pro but needs a haircut.

word to the wise:  let him have his hair the way he wants it...he'll be less likely to do other weird shit. 

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On 12/30/2024 at 9:08 AM, Dignan said:

I received a Ruger LCP .380. nice little pocket gun that I did not have in my collection. 

Most popular selling pocket pistol of this century. 
I have bought four - carried the first one from 2008 until 2022 with an LCP Max. Then gifted three, but still have this one made in 2016 unfired.

 

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38 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

How is that double action trigger pull?

The straight double action is fine.  Solid double action trigger.

What I'm playing with in dry fire is the double action plus or whatever you want to call it. 

Being able to push the hammer up and then have a quick and easy reset to the single action trigger is cool and I could see myself carrying that way.

Its a very comfortable pistol to handle and feels great.  The integrated thumb rail is perfect (for me at least).  The whole thing along with the controls handles well.

I've got one of their mini-wing IWB holsters in route, and that'll be the next test to see how that fits and draws.

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I added some of these talon grips. Feels much safer to handle after that. I will say, those grips are literal sandpaper and if you’re not careful it can scratch things around it (car seats/ belts etc).

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4 hours ago, Reagan1k said:

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Federal Premium 7mm Backcountry

At launch, the following gun companies will be introducing rifles in 7mm Backcountry:

  • Christensen Arms
  • Gunwerks
  • Seekins Precision
  • Fierce Arms
  • AllTerra Arms
  • Savage Arms
  • Weatherby
  • Geissele Automatics
  • Proof Research
  • Horizon Firearms
  • Pure Precision

 

Oh, yet another new caliber.  That's weird......;)

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27 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Oh, yet another new caliber.  That's weird......;)

Think of the opportunity - there have to be millions, thousands, hundreds, 50 or so hunters who need to have a flatter shooting 7mm platform out beyond 700 yards.

I'm not judging.  I buy stupid gun-shit all the time.  Hell, I think I'm going to build an 8.6BO or 338ARC.

Federal has to jump on this wave of Creedmoor > PRC > Next Gadget craze while its hot.

 

I have to admit - they did it right.....forming strategic alliances before introduction with that many rifle makers in various price points to make it easy to buy - It'll be successful.  

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I’m one of the target customers for Federal with this 7 Backcountry and I was really intrigued at first ( 7 PRC velocity from a 16-20” barrel vs a 24-26”), but one of the included rifle builders (Allterra) showed that the accuracy / consistent velocity isn’t there with the 7 Backcountry ammo that they’ve shot. Yikes, and embarrassing for Federal. Feel free to skip forward to the range session in this video:

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Also, according to Shoot2Hunt, RCBS has paused tooling development for reloading dies as the steel casings are so hard it takes about 12 passes through dies to reload. :(

So probably a non-reloadable cartridge between that and Federal I believe said the powder they’re using isn’t commercially available.

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I wish federal would spend this bandwidth on grendel ammo and not another cartridge. They did this shit during Covid with thirty super carry which was a fucking dud.

The PRC line is legit. This doesn’t appear to be.

I’ll be at shot if you want me to stop by their booth and get some answers.

For Federal being such a big manufacturer, they have been almost an afterthought in the precision / higher end rifle cartridge market. The honest feedback Federal needs to hear is this IMO: “Hornady stubbed their toe with the 7PRC by not being able to source enough Reloader 26 powder to meet demand. They had to drop down to different powders at lower velocities, which disappointed a lot of adopters of the 7 PRC. That said, if handloaders or alternate suppliers had Reloader 26 available (like Federal did) they were able to generate the specified velocity (3000fps with a 175ELDX from a 26” barrel) and accuracy (sub MOA) that Hornady advertised.

Regarding the 7 Backcountry: If Federal doesn’t have tight enough QC regarding this high-pressure ammunition to keep their velocity standard deviations for a normal shot string (6-10) below ~25ft./s and maximum velocity spreads below ~60 ft./s; this cartridge will be dead on arrival. The long range hunting and shooting community are very detail oriented, shoot with chronos and they will not tolerate inconsistent ammunition. So if there’s a problem, Federal needs to get it fixed immediately and not send out inconsistent product.”

The Allterra video laid it out really well: basically it doesn’t really matter if the bullet from the 7 backcountry has X inches less drop and more velo than the 7 PRC at 800 yards; if the ammo won’t shoot sub MOA, you’re going to fucking miss a lot, and people will not tolerate that. Hornady understood this and publicly said “we had to source different powder and slow the velo down to keep the accuracy, which is the highest priority”.

I assume if you told a Federal guy this they would react as though you’re telling them their baby is ugly, but that’s the truth IMO.
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9 hours ago, Handcruser said:

I wish federal would spend this bandwidth on grendel ammo and not another cartridge. They did this shit during Covid with thirty super carry which was a fucking dud.

The PRC line is legit. This doesn’t appear to be.

I’ll be at shot if you want me to stop by their booth and get some answers.

30 super carry necked down to a 25 would make a nifty handgun/carbine combo for ranch varmint duty, though. 

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23 hours ago, Handcruser said:

I wish federal would spend this bandwidth on grendel ammo and not another cartridge. They did this shit during Covid with thirty super carry which was a fucking dud.

The PRC line is legit. This doesn’t appear to be.

I’ll be at shot if you want me to stop by their booth and get some answers.

Yeah trying to beat that platform is futile.  Join or die.

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I'd watched that Allterra video before I posted that.

Was left scratching my head as to how Federal would choose to drop this while knowing it wasn't consistent and would basically delivery flatter shooting misses rather than heavier doped hits.

Appears to me that the marketing and finance team won the battle when the development team wanted to delay or even shitcan the project.  They let the target roll-out date drive the project.

I'm sure they thought.."We can fix it after the fact and no one will be the wiser", but that doesn't fly with the @686 crowd who is going to run this stuff through all the paces and not just rely on what the box says.

Big miscalculation on the target market appetite and their insistence on consistency. 

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