The Gun Owner’s thread

[davidg 4057]

Oh, I bought a 300 BLk AR w/ a 10.5" barrel and a 22 lr/410 break action today. More information and pics at some point in the near future.

Dad has a Savage 24 22/410. It’s a squirrel killing machine. Probably my favorite gun of his.

[Jkwellborn 7006]

Which can?

[BabaYaga 15532]

15 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I have a .44 mag snubbie. I can only imagine how that thing would shoot.

Worst pistol pain I ever felt was a .357 fired from a snubbie airlight.  One of those S&W pistols made from ultra-light material.  My wrist snapped back so fast, it felt like I'd grabbed and and held an electric fence.

All the big bores I've played with - .44Mag, .454, .50 S&W.  The frames are so heavy they help manage the recoil.  

[Reagan1k 3040]

Magnum Research is building an entire line they call the BFR (Big Frame Revolver) - In .30/30 WIN., .444 Marlin, .450 Marlin, .45LC/.410, .45/70 Gov't., .460 S&W, .500 S&W.

Pretty interesting.  

I do have a Ruger revolver in .30 carbine that's a blast to shoot, but I wouldn't put that in the same league.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4998]

Interesting that they are doing .30-30 along with the other straight walled cartridges. I guess it's so you can have a lever gun and revolver in .30-30?

[Armybrat 41320]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Worst pistol pain I ever felt was a .357 fired from a snubbie airlight.  One of those S&W pistols made from ultra-light material.  My wrist snapped back so fast, it felt like I'd grabbed and and held an electric fence.

All the big bores I've played with - .44Mag, .454, .50 S&W.  The frames are so heavy they help manage the recoil.  

Shooting standard .357 magnums through my 40 ounce New Vaquero is pretty soft compared to my hefty little SP101, so there is no way I’d want to experience it with an airweight.

[4th and 5 4997]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I had my airweight ported by Magnaport. It helps a LOT. However, I have opted to run 38+p as the recoil creates so much rise, even with the porting that follow up shots are still too slow.

I'm having a new Trijicon from site put on it and may add a thicker Crimson trace grip to help reduce recoil pain.

I've considered the 44 mag 329pd which is the Airweight/scandium (sp?) version of that K frame. My experience with the 357 has prevented me from moving forward.

Tldr: Yeah, 357 mag in a Airweight sucks, a lot.

LOL reading this makes my hand hurt

[Reagan1k 3040]

8 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Interesting that they are doing .30-30 along with the other straight walled cartridges. I guess it's so you can have a lever gun and revolver in .30-30?

That’s all I can figure out based on the other offerings.  Definitely sticks out. 

[bigshark88 388]

Gunprime has Ruger EC9s on sale for $189 which is a screaming deal for a pretty solid CCW handgun.

[Gil Bang 26176]

So my kid worked through Xmas, so he’s out here now. He knows that I fucking love .22s so, here’s what he brought me for a present.

Ruger Wrangler.

[Gil Bang 26176]

Yeah it’s a sweet little plinker. Can’t wait to blast some beer cans.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4998]

I saw one of those at Academy today. I may just have to pick one up one day.

[Armybrat 41320]

10 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

So my kid worked through Xmas, so he’s out here now. He knows that I fucking love .22s so, here’s what he brought me for a present.

Ruger Wrangler.

Those are solid budget wheelguns that get very good reviews by owners on the Ruger forums. About the only criticism is for the plastic grip panels, but a lot of the owners are replacing them with wood ones from Altamont. One of those is on my want list. 

It is Ruger’s direct marketing challenge to the Heritage Rough Rider line, and it looks like it is very successful. Great plinkers they say. Aluminum frame, zanak trigger guard & backstrap, steel cylinder & barrel. Some parts interchange with the expensive Single Six. 
 

+rep for your son.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Armybrat

[Armybrat 41320]

And I appreciate the Bud Light analogy. Lol

[Armybrat 41320]

Heritage does offer several variations of their budget .22 revolvers, including different barrel lengths, a .22 magnum option, and even a birdshead grip. I don’t think Ruger will offer the Wrangler in .22 magnum, however.

[Parliament 14560]

Do these holsters work as advertised?
https://blackhawk.com/omnivore-multifit-holsters/

[Jkwellborn 7006]

I wouldn’t own one that you have to press a trigger guard release on.

I’ve got a single 6 and never shoot the .22 mag cylinder.

[Jkwellborn 7006]

I’ve also read where instructors aren’t letting guys use them in classes because of people sticking their fingers in the trigger guard on accident.

[Gil Bang 26176]

hey gun nuts, tell me about dry firing.  

I was told as a kid that dry firing was bad.  But, the book for this sweet little ruger says it can be dry fired without damaging the gun.  What's the deal?

[Parliament 14560]

Varies from gun to gun. If the owner's manual says it's OK, have at it.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4998]

Percussion guns cannot be dry fired, or you risk damaging the nipples. Maybe it comes from that?

[Armybrat 41320]

Well, Dad told me not to wear down the match too much, so I advised my kids to save the wear & tear on their flints.

[Armybrat 41320]

Seriously, the only gun manual I’ve read that said dry firing is not advised is for the Ruger SR semiauto series - and that was only without an empty magazine inserted.

Others are hesitant to dry fire revolvers like the SAA that have the firing pin on the hammer. But no matter, if you are uncomfortable doing it, just buy some snap caps for your gun.

[Jkwellborn 7006]

Snap caps a pretty cheap, but I can’t imagine how dry firing would actually hurt anything. Some people have complained about the spring or firing pin breaking since there’s nothing for it to hit. Who knows.

[BabaYaga 15532]

2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

or you risk damaging the nipples

[BabaYaga 15532]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Use of dry fire is the most underutilized, high value, low cost and time investment one can do to improve their shooting.

Then again, most people "don't need to" improve their shooting according to the legends/myths about themselves in their own mind.

This.  Pistols are among the most prevalent of all firearms, as well as being the most difficult to fire well.  There's a reason Tier I &II military units train with them so much that they are quickly retired when the slides get micro-fractures.

Under optimum situations that are hard to hit objects with.  Under duress, it becomes almost impossible.  Your heart beat spikes, you get an adrenaline dump, and your fine motor skills go to shit.  Skill with a pistol and it's small sight radius is perishable as well.  Like a refined golf swing, you take time off and it diminishes quickly.  

Drills such as those mentioned above are a great way to stay refined.  

[krevo 142]

https://ruger.com/micros/57/

NSIAP 

Ruger came out with a 5.7x28 pistol, 20 round mags, and only $599 MSRP

 

[Reagan1k 3040]

They need to come out with a carbine like the PC-9 in 5.75x28 that uses these same mags.

Would be a hellacious truck gun for the farm or ranch topped with a 1x6 or even a red dot.

[krevo 142]

 

Just now, Reagan1k said:

They need to come out with a carbine like the PC-9 in 5.75x28 that uses these same mags.

Would be a hellacious truck gun for the farm or ranch topped with a 1x6 or even a red dot.

Yep.  Thats what everyone else is telling them on all the Youtube reviews/social media posts.  Only problem with 5.7 is how expensive it is per 50.  Hopefully this gun might help bring the price down some.

[Reagan1k 3040]

Yeah - FN's original offering's cost has hampered adoption by the average shooter - thus limiting the demand for the pills.

Get a bunch of these ruger's in the hands of the weekend shooter and the ppr will start to come down quickly.

Just like the .224 Valk., and 6.5GR / CM - Get some reasonably priced shooters out there and the ammo prices will plummet.

That sucker would be hell on hogs and coyotes. 

I'd even buy a hi-point carbine in 5.75x28 if it ran as well as my 10mm.  All the hi-point jokes aside......they make a pretty good little carbine that goes bang out the barrel and not in your wallet.

[fattyflattie 4640]

Damn. I like that.  

[bigshark88 388]

https://ruger.com/micros/57/

NSIAP 

Ruger came out with a 5.7x28 pistol, 20 round mags, and only $599 MSRP
 

Right after I buy a PMR30. Great.

[Jkwellborn 7006]

5.7 ammo is just so damned expensive.

[BabaYaga 15532]

15 hours ago, Reagan1k said:

They need to come out with a carbine like the PC-9 in 5.75x28 that uses these same mags.

Would be a hellacious truck gun for the farm or ranch topped with a 1x6 or even a red dot.

Looks suspiciously like my Kel-Tec PMR 30.  The carbine accompaniment is just that.  One hell of a fun truck gun (I have the pistol, friend has both).  You can fit it in a small day pack, and carry hundreds of rounds of ammo.  Which isn't cheap, but cheaper than 5.7.

22 Mag doesn't quite match the ballistics of the 5.7, but I've seen the damage it does to varmints and pigs.  With zero recoil, your follow up shots are easy to control.  

[Armybrat 41320]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Looks suspiciously like my Kel-Tec PMR 30.  The carbine accompaniment is just that.  One hell of a fun truck gun (I have the pistol, friend has both).  You can fit it in a small day pack, and carry hundreds of rounds of ammo.  Which isn't cheap, but cheaper than 5.7.

22 Mag doesn't quite match the ballistics of the 5.7, but I've seen the damage it does to varmints and pigs.  With zero recoil, your follow up shots are easy to control.  

Looks like a Mattel Christmas set.

[BabaYaga 15532]

6 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Looks like a Mattel Christmas set.

Every X-mas is a Pew-Pew X-mas!

[Reagan1k 3040]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Looks suspiciously like my Kel-Tec PMR 30.  The carbine accompaniment is just that.  One hell of a fun truck gun (I have the pistol, friend has both).  You can fit it in a small day pack, and carry hundreds of rounds of ammo.  Which isn't cheap, but cheaper than 5.7.

22 Mag doesn't quite match the ballistics of the 5.7, but I've seen the damage it does to varmints and pigs.  With zero recoil, your follow up shots are easy to control.  

Agreed - hybrid of a 22 mag and hornet.  

Probably a solution looking for a problem but hey.... I have lots of those. 

[krevo 142]

I owned one of the first PMR30s that Keltec produced and I'll never buy another Keltec product again.   They are really a terrible company overall regardless of the cool shit they dream up.

[BabaYaga 15532]

1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

What do you think about that Burris fast fire? 

Those aren't mine - just a internet pic of both together.  I have the pistol, buddy of mine has both, so to save time I just grabbed a pic online as reference.  His carbine doesn't have a muzzle break or scope.  Just a red dot - which is all you need with these.  

Pistol, in my estimation, is the perfect ranch gun.  Insanely light.  Carries 30 in the mag.  Offers good penetration on varmints and small game.  I spooked a mid-size pig once farting around in some dense brush.  100+ lbs +/-.  20 yards maybe?  I was able to hold on this stinky monster on the run, rolled her easily, and counted 9 hits out of 12 shots fired.  All of which penetrated and turned her innards into jelly.  It's not my primary HD gun, but in a pinch, I'd trust it to do the job.  

[BabaYaga 15532]

17 minutes ago, Reagan1k said:

Agreed - hybrid of a 22 mag and hornet.  

Probably a solution looking for a problem but hey.... I have lots of those. 

Wasn't it designed as a solution to the NATO request for a small, fast round to replace the 9mm?  Something that could defeat most battlefield body armor.  Both NATO, and later the FBI did a considerable number of tests on the efficacy of modern rounds.  The conclusion was centered around penetration.  It was the singular trait that was concluded to be the most "effective".  Penetration and cavitation.  

We're seeing a trend in that direction.  I know many SF teams the world over have fallen in love with the H&K MP7 and it's tiny, but lethal 4.6mm cartridge.  These small, hyper-fast rounds zip through most conventional body armor and turn what's behind it into grape jelly.  

[Reagan1k 3040]

Yep- for backline troops in lieu of the 9 for penetration and high capacity / low recoil.

 

[immortal13 4059]

58 minutes ago, krevo said:

I owned one of the first PMR30s that Keltec produced and I'll never buy another Keltec product again.   They are really a terrible company overall regardless of the cool shit they dream up.

I loved mine so much I bought another one. The CMR is next on my list of gun purchases.

[Parliament 14560]

38 cents isn't SO bad. I have an FN57 that I bought because...reasons. It has an unusual operating system and a TERRIBLE trigger. It was also like $1300 new.

Ruger was brilliant with this pistol. And a carbine that uses the same mags would print money.

Ruger has some good things going right now. They literally invented a new platform with their PRC, and they have some new Peacemaker replica in .22. Brilliant.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4998]

A shortened .30 carbine necked down to .25 caliber could have the same overall length and possibly similar ballistics to the 5.7x28 with slightly reduced magazine capacity and probably similar recoil. .256 Win Mag bullets would fit. Then you could make a pistol and carbine that use the same magazines and have slightly greater knockdown power over the 5.7.

[Reagan1k 3040]

@NotActuallyALonghorn

Interesting that you brought that up because the 5.7x28 PDW is basically this century's version of a primary role the M1 Carbine played from the 40's to the 70's.

@BurntEyes     You didn't make it up.  That's what I've read as well.  It was envisioned as and designed to be a bridge between the 5.56 and the 9mm - where threat levels were escalated and defeating body armor might be necessary in an otherwise non-battlefield environment.

Similar mental exercise to the FBI's trials with the 10mm and then 40s&w following the '86 Miami shootout. 

 

[Armybrat 41320]

Look for Ruger to add the 5.7 round to its PC Carbine offerings - it already comes in 9mm & .40, plus they include mag well adapters to accept both Ruger & Glock magazines. And it has the takedown takedown feature too.

[bigshark88 388]

I loved mine so much I bought another one. The CMR is next on my list of gun purchases.

To be clear KT has re worked the PMR30 several times. Kervo says he got an early one. They received a lot of criticism.

[immortal13 4059]

1 minute ago, bigshark88 said:

On 1/14/2020 at 10:27 AM, immortal13 said:

I loved mine so much I bought another one. The CMR is next on my list of gun purchases.

To be clear KT has re worked the PMR30 several times. Kervo says he got an early one. They received a lot of criticism.

Oh ok...thanks 

[Lat22 4070]

I've got the reloading bug bad right now.  Somebody talk me out of it.

[BabaYaga 15532]

38 minutes ago, Lat22 said:

I've got the reloading bug bad right now.  Somebody talk me out of it.

My two favorite types of friends:  those with boats, and that went hard in the reloading paint and need to make space for the next batch....

DO IT!