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I mean if this is based solely on HS accomplishments than well yea 3 straight top division titles a perfect record as a starter and  a 40+ game win streak or whatever it was is likely going to propel you to the top.  

If it is based on anything other than that it's normal ESPN retard

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3 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

That was the exact title of the article. All of this outrage over nothing lol. KM had the best high school career because he never lost.

VY obviously better in college.

He had every advantage and recruiting.

Pffft. at best Texas HS QB ever.

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2 minutes ago, slorch said:

He had every advantage and recruiting.

Pffft. at best Texas HS QB ever.

He won three straight top division state titles. No one else can even come close to competing with that.

And honestly Garrett Gilbert might be number 2 on that list. State records for yards, no losses his junior or senior years, back to back state titles.

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

He won three straight top division state titles. No one else can even come close to competing with that.

So fucking what. Give hima  stat trophy then.

  He overcame virtually nothing.  Most weeks in practice he played against better teams than they faced on Friday/ Saturday.

 

Tell us when Murray was at Allen College:

1996     TH             7-5-0         278-233         Todd Graham
1997     TH             4-7-0         149-266         Todd Graham
1998                      3-7-0         139-215         Todd Graham
1999      R              8-3-0         170-130         Todd Graham
2000     TH             9-3-0         339-218         Todd Graham
2001      C--          10-3-0         340-257         Joe Martin
2002     CO             8-4-0         274-172         Joe Martin
2003      C--          13-2-0         577-342         Joe Martin
2004      R              9-3-0         390-253         Tom Westerberg
2005      R              9-3-0         304-247         Tom Westerberg
2006      C--          13-2-0         510-353         Tom Westerberg
2007      C--          10-1-0         436-299         Tom Westerberg
2008      C--          15-1-0         548-268         Tom Westerberg
2009      C--          10-2-0         490-214         Tom Westerberg
2010      C--          10-2-0         466-270         Tom Westerberg
2011      C--          11-1-0         476-253         Tom Westerberg
2012      C--          15-1-0         702-301         Tom Westerberg
2013      C--          16-0-0         807-298         Tom Westerberg
2014      C--          16-0-0         791-417         Tom Westerberg
2015      C--          14-1-0         710-247         Tom Westerberg
2016      C--          14-1-0         630-245         Terry Gambill
2017      C--          16-0-0         665-253         Terry Gambill
2018      C--          14-1-0         741-272         Terry Gambill
2019      C--          11-1-0         522-258         Terry Gambill
2020      C--          10-1-0         497-298         Terry Gambill
2021    CO/C         11-3-0         605-391         Chad Morris

 

Now tell us when that Young kid was at Madison

1996       C--      10-3-0          402-167         Ray Seals
1997       R--      10-2-0          424-  91         Ray Seals
1998       C--      10-2-0          420-102         Ray Seals
1999      CO         9-3-0          446-269         Ray Seals
2000       C--      10-2-0          580-215         Ray Seals
2001       C--      14-1-0          754-316         Ray Seals
2002       R          7-4-0          295-232         Ray Seals
2003                   1-9-0          155-343         Ray Seals
2004                   6-4-0          305-239         Ray Seals
2005       R          9-2-0          458-176         Ray Seals
2006      TH         6-5-0          268-202         Ray Seals
2007       R          7-5-0          276-239         Ray Seals
2008     TRI         8-3-0          330-214         Ray Seals
2009      TH         6-4-0          226-180         Ray Seals
2010      TH         6-5-0          256-238         Ray Seals
2011       F-         6-5-0          353-261         Pat Reinecke
2012                   4-6-0          220-223         Pat Reinecke
2013       F-         4-7-0          167-392         Pat Reinecke
2014       C          8-3-0          442-177         Pat Reinecke
2015       R          7-4-0          365-228         Pat Reinecke
2016       C          9-2-0          462-162         Pat Reinecke
2017      TH         6-4-0          217-131         Damian Judge
2018                   3-7-0          188-370         Shawn Narcisse
2019                   1-9-0          105-392         Shawn Narcisse
2020                   3-6-0          195-299         Shawn Narcisse

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So fucking what.   He overcame virtually nothing.  Most weeks in practice he played against better teams than they faced on Friday/ Saturday.

Yea who cares that he never lost a game and won three straight state titles. I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. It’s high school football. Rich high schools have advantages.

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6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yea who cares that he never lost a game and won three straight state titles. I’m not sure what you’re looking for here. It’s high school football. Rich high schools have advantages.

Doesn't make him the best QB out of Texas.  Not by a fucking long shot.  

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1 minute ago, slorch said:

Doesn't make him the best QB out of Texas.  Not by a fucking long shot.  

It makes him the beat high school qb from Texas. Which is what I said. If not Kyler then who?

Is your contention that anyone who plays for a football factory shouldn’t be considered. So anyone from Westlake, Southlake, Judson, Duncanville, Lake Travis, Highland Park, Katy, Lufkin, etc. just don’t get considered?

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It makes him the beat high school qb from Texas. Which is what I said. If not Kyler then who?

I already alluded to who mine is.  I'm biased AF, but not by stats.

It's debatable.   Very debatable, and a dude with every advantage and a recruited team ain't the one just because of his team's record in playoffs.  It ain't the NFL where footing is somewhat equal and Tom lords over everyone else.

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2 minutes ago, slorch said:

I already alluded to who mine is.  I'm biased AF, but not by stats.

It's debatable.   Very debatable, and a dude with every advantage and a recruited team ain't the one just because of his team's record in playoffs.  It ain't the NFL where footing is somewhat equal and Tom lords over everyone else.

Ok well it’s not Mahomes, he’s literally not even in the discussion. 
So I’ll ask again, is anyone who played at a football factory automatically out of the discussion? Because that seems to be your stance.

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Slorched bc someone from Tech got slighted.  Lotta Lubbock dust in the vag 

wrong.

Nobody got slighted. In fact, in my initial rebuttal, it was none other than Vincent Young as an example.

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speaking of outliers who vastly outperformed their programs, wonder who was there in 03 and 04...  Yes, i value that more than the guys who have all of the weapons and advantages.

1995                    5-4-1         194-152         Jim West
1996                    6-4-0         230-224         Jim West
1997                    4-6-0         186-248         Jim West
1998       T           6-6-0         262-320         Jim West
1999       R           6-6-0         204-315         Brad McCoy
2000                    4-6-0         243-245         Brad McCoy
2001       R           9-3-0         293-156         Brad McCoy
2002                    8-2-0         302-127         Brad McCoy
2003       C--       14-1-0         698-226         Brad McCoy
2004       C--       12-1-0         573-134         Brad McCoy
2005                    5-5-0         226-242         Walter Hargrove
2006                    6-4-0         238-222         Walter Hargrove
2007                    6-4-0         237-186         Walter Hargrove
2008       R           7-5-0         253-306         Walter Hargrove
2009       T           6-5-0         261-327         Walter Hargrove
2010                    1-9-0         137-259         Walter Hargrove
2011                    2-8-0         181-322         Jeff Williamson
2012                    1-9-0         195-381         Jeff Williamson
2013                    4-6-0         279-378         Jeff Williamson
2014                    1-9-0         165-397         Jeff Williamson
2015       F--         5-6-0         304-383         Jerod Womack
2016                    3-7-0         176-294         Jerod Womack

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42 minutes ago, slorch said:

I already alluded to who mine is.  I'm biased AF, but not by stats.

It's debatable.   Very debatable, and a dude with every advantage and a recruited team ain't the one just because of his team's record in playoffs.  It ain't the NFL where footing is somewhat equal and Tom lords over everyone else.

I agree. In terms of accomplishments, Kyler has it, sure. But as you alluded to, it's hard to compare some of these guys. Allen is a football factory. They literally created their high school the way it is because of football. A city that big has just one high school? You could place any of the guys in this list in Kyler's situation and the same results happen. Now how about placing Kyler in some of their situations such as Houston Madison where VY was? What VY did at an inner city school his senior year was fucking amazing. He didn't play at a school like Allen. If he did, he could have sleptwalk to what Kyler accomplished. Allen could walk out on the field and out talent anyone for the most part. Not everyone has lucky to play in systems like these. If all you do is list what Murray accomplished at Allen at a football factory is doing a disservice to the rest of the names. 

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3 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

I agree. In terms of accomplishments, Kyler has it, sure. But as you alluded to, it's hard to compare some of these guys. Allen is a football factory. They literally created their high school the way it is because of football. A city that big has just one high school? You could place almost any of the guys in this list in Kyler's situation and the same results happen. Now how about placing Kyler in some of their situations such as Houston Madison where VY was? What VY did at an inner city school his senior year was fucking amazing. He didn't play at a school like Allen. If he did, he could have sleptwalk to what Kyler accomplished. Allen could walk out on the field and out talent anyone for the most part. Not everyone has lucky to play in systems like these.

VYs accomplishments especially for an inner city school are truly amazing. No doubt. But he never won state and never went undefeated and that has to matter. 
And it’s easy to say anyone could step into Kyler’s situation and do that. My question would be why that hasn’t happened then?

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13 minutes ago, Nolacycling said:

Ryan Tannehill gets no respect, even from his own sheepmates,  but he's probably 3rd on that list for earnings.

1. Brees 2. Stafford 3. Tannehill 4. Luck 5. Dalton 6. Foles 7. McCown (lol) 8. Mahomes 9. Daniel 10. Kolb 

 

https://overthecap.com/career-earnings/quarterback/

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