Formula 1 2022

[Burt Macklin 19022]

It’s going to be interesting to see how this new rule is enforced. All the data shows the Ferraris bounce a lot with heavy fuel, but then calm as the tank gets lower, whereas RB is the opposite and they actually have worse bouncing than Ferrari at the end of the race. So what happens if Ferrari run less than half tank at FP3 and get under the limit, but then exceed it during the first part of the race?  Same for RB at the end? There’s no way to adjust it mid-race so are they disqualified, do they get a penalty?  Merc struggle a ton with bouncing in street tracks but had almost none at a purpose track like Spain, so will they be extremely competitive at certain tracks and nowhere on street tracks? 
 

It seems like each team has such unique porpoising issues and I have no idea how the FIA will enforce this consistently. 

[utee94 15820]

40 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

It seems like each team has such unique porpoising issues and I have no idea how the FIA will enforce this consistently. 

Oh, I think we can rest assured that the FIA will NOT enforce this consistently.  That's not really their thing.

[Burt Macklin 19022]

10 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Oh, I think we can rest assured that the FIA will NOT enforce this consistently.  That's not really their thing.

Yeah, definitely no high expectations here. The biggest issue will be how/when it will be enforced. As in will w end waiting after races to see if a team gets a penalty before we can know the final standings. I see this going absolutely horribly. 

[utee94 15820]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

Yeah, definitely no high expectations here. The biggest issue will be how/when it will be enforced. As in will w end waiting after races to see if a team gets a penalty before we can know the final standings. I see this going absolutely horribly. 

I've got a bad feeling about this...

[TonyTexas 10510]

8 hours ago, wood said:

Thanks for the heads-up. Just checked the youtubetv guide, and it seems to be correct, if any of you have it.

So what is the tv schedule for today and tomorrow? I’m seeing conflicting channels 

[kevwun 15777]

Friday
Practice 1 starts at 12:55pm on ESPNU
Practice 2 starts at 3:50pm on ESPNU

Saturday
Practice 3 starts at 11:55am on ESPN
Qualifying starts at 2:55pm on ESPN

The race is at 1:00pm on Sunday on ABC.

Edited June 17, 2022 by kevwun

[utee94 15820]

10 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

So what is the tv schedule for today and tomorrow? I’m seeing conflicting channels 

My ESPN App guide says:

FP1: Fri 12:55 PM ESPNU

FP2: Fri 3:55 PM ESPNU

FP3: Sat 11:55 AM ESPN2

Qual: Sat 2:55 PM ESPN2

Race: Sun 1:00 PM ABC

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by utee94

[utee94 15820]

So I won't be able to watch FP1 or FP2, because I only have ESPN and ESPN2.  I hate it when they do that.

[kevwun 15777]

You can sign up for a youtubetv trial.  They have all of the espn channels.  Fubo does not include ESPNU and ESPN News.

Edited June 17, 2022 by kevwun

[utee94 15820]

Just now, kevwun said:

You can sign up for a youtubetv trial.  They have all of the espn channels.  Fubo does not include ESPNU and ESPN News.

Thanks.  I'm not anywhere close to organized enough to remember to cancel those.  I can't tell you how many extra months I've paid for of Starz, HBO Max, Paramount, or whatever else, because I forgot to cancel.

I'll just go without, and continue to bitch about ESPN moving F1 off its two flagship channels.  Bitching is the surly way, after all.

 

[kevwun 15777]

This week it's because of the College World Series, so it's a good reason for us.

[utee94 15820]

Just now, kevwun said:

This week it's because of the College World Series, so it's a good reason for us.

Good plan.  I do at least have ESPN and ESPN2, so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get the CWS games.  At least, anything with Texas in it.  I definitely have tonight's game.  In fact I'll be throwing some ribs on the smoker in a couple of hours, to be ready before gametime.

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

A few things:

1) The porpoising limit thing won’t be enforced this weekend
2) Cars are going to be allowed a second additional floor stay (the first one is in the far back attached to the rear impact structure, and the second is the easily visible one in front of the rear wheels). Not sure where exactly it will be allowed yet. I’ve checked the technical regs but they aren’t updated yet.

[wood 11225]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

It’s going to be interesting to see how this new rule is enforced. All the data shows the Ferraris bounce a lot with heavy fuel, but then calm as the tank gets lower, whereas RB is the opposite and they actually have worse bouncing than Ferrari at the end of the race. So what happens if Ferrari run less than half tank at FP3 and get under the limit, but then exceed it during the first part of the race?  Same for RB at the end? There’s no way to adjust it mid-race so are they disqualified, do they get a penalty?  Merc struggle a ton with bouncing in street tracks but had almost none at a purpose track like Spain, so will they be extremely competitive at certain tracks and nowhere on street tracks? 
 

It seems like each team has such unique porpoising issues and I have no idea how the FIA will enforce this consistently. 

If the standard will be FP3, then I would assume that's what the FIA will live by, like they do with wing deflection testing etc. I would think it would be the same things as when someone's front or rear wing is flexing and the FIA says "Welp, they passed the deflection test". They can't account for all scenarios. But who knows ...

Edited June 17, 2022 by wood

[wood 11225]

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

You can sign up for a youtubetv trial.  They have all of the espn channels.  Fubo does not include ESPNU and ESPN News.

Yep & yttv will record it no matter what channel it comes on. Best DVR I've ever seen, by a mile.

[wood 11225]

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

Good plan.  I do at least have ESPN and ESPN2, so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get the CWS games.  At least, anything with Texas in it.  I definitely have tonight's game.  In fact I'll be throwing some ribs on the smoker in a couple of hours, to be ready before gametime.

If you ever need it, this site usually has Texas baseball streaming ... https://therealstreamhub.site/index.php . It's worked every time I've tried it.

[utee94 15820]

1 minute ago, wood said:

If you ever need it, this site usually has Texas baseball streaming ... https://therealstreamhub.site/index.php . It's worked every time I've tried it.

Thanks.  Pretty sure Texas beisbol won't get knocked down any lower than ESPN2.  We're not the ags after all, people actually want to watch us.

 

[wood 11225]

Just now, utee94 said:

Thanks.  Pretty sure Texas beisbol won't get knocked down any lower than ESPN2.  We're not the ags after all, people actually want to watch us.

 

Yep, for sure. I meant if you need it during the season later on. 

And Fuck aggy. And OU sucks. And fuck Pig.

[wood 11225]

A CWS with Texas and our 4 biggest rivals in it is just unreal. We have to go win this, or at the very least be the last team standing of those 5.

[wood 11225]

Just found this post where the poster came up with a potential Australian GP schedule with the addition of F2 & F3. Just unreal. :drool: I could see S5000 not making the cut though.

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Thursday

(08.00-09.30 Possible FIA Safety Car / Medical Car / Circuit Inspections)

10.00-10.25 Porsche CC - Practice 1

10.40-11.05 S5000 - Practice 1

11.20-11.50 Supercars - Practice 1

12.05-12.30 Porsche CC - Practice 2

12.45-13.10 S5000 - Practice 2

13.25-13.55 Supercars - Practice 2

14.15-14.35 Speed Comparison - Demonstration 1

15.00-15.25 Porsche CC - Qualifying

15.45-16.10 S5000 - Qualifying

16.30-16.50 Supercars - Qualifying for Race 1

17.00-17.30 Supercars - Qualifying for Race 2

17.40-18.00 Supercars - Qualifying for Race 3

 

Friday

(08.00-09.30 Possible FIA Safety Car / Medical Car / Circuit Inspections)

10.00-10.45 FIA F3 - Practice

11.30-12.15 FIA F2 - Practice

13.00-14.00 FIA F1 - Practice 1

14.30-15.00 FIA F3 - Qualifying

15.15-15.35 Speed Comparison - Demonstration 2

16.00-17.00 FIA F1 - Practice 2

17.30-18.00 FIA F2 - Qualifying

18.25-19.00 Porsche CC - Race 1

19.30-20.00* Supercars - Practice 3 (Evening Practice)

(*Sunset on March 17th is 19.37, but the cars have headlights and there is limited circuit floodlighting)

 

Saturday

08.30-08.50 S5000 - Race 1

09.05-09.30 Porsche CC - Race 2
10.00-10.45 FIA F3 - Race 1

11.05-11.25 Speed Comparison - Demonstration 3
11.45-12.30 Supercars - Race 1

13.00-14.00 FIA F1 - Practice 3

14.15-14.40 Porsche CC - Race 3

14.55-15.15 S5000 - Race 2

16.00-17.00 FIA F1 - Qualifying

17.40-18.30 FIA F2 - Race 1

18.50-20.00* Supercars - Race 2

(*Sunset on March 18th is 19.35, but the cars have headlights and there is limited circuit floodlighting)

 

Sunday

08.30-08.55 S5000 - Race 2

09.10-09.30 Speed Comparison - Demonstration 4

10.00-10.50 FIA F3 - Race 2

11.30-12.35 FIA F2 - Race 2

13.00-13.45 Supercars - Race 3

16.00-18.00 Australian Grand Prix

 

Oh, and the French GP is apparently moving to Nice. Is this war on Monaco, posturing, or what?

https://www.lequipe.fr/Formule-1/Article/Stefano-domenicali-met-une-option-sur-un-grand-prix-de-formule-1-a-nice/1339020

Edited June 17, 2022 by wood

[utee94 15820]

I don't love Paul Ricard so moving away from there wouldn't bother me.  I don't know anything about the track at Nice, but it's a nice place to visit, that's for sure.

 

[wood 11225]

Just now, utee94 said:

I don't love Paul Ricard so moving away from there wouldn't bother me.  I don't know anything about the track at Nice, but it's a nice place to visit, that's for sure.

Yeah Ricard sucks. Apparently Nice can't use the same streets as the original circuit, so it's anyone's guess at this point. 

[utee94 15820]

Just now, wood said:

Yeah Ricard sucks. Apparently Nice can't use the same streets as the original circuit, so it's anyone's guess at this point. 

Oh, it would be a streetrace?

Ugh.  Not a fan, don't want any more on the calendar than we already have.  For every surprisingly fun Baku, there are at least a couple boring AF Miamis and Sochis.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

I wish we could get Valencia back. 

[wood 11225]

Just now, ConferenceRoom said:

I wish we could get Valencia back. 

Or Korea.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

Remember this silly shit? 

[wood 11225]

21 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Remember this silly shit? 

[Anton Chigurh 3319]

I wish we could get Valencia back. 

Ew.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

You’re ew.

[utee94 15820]

Valencia was visually pretty but not much for racing.

[elfenix 34237]

i wonder how much porpoising there'd be if they still had the 13" wheels

[elfenix 34237]

hitting the cost cap because you targetted $135 million with 2020 as a base currency year and factoring a couple-few percent inflation and hitting the cost cap because you didn't engineer your car properly are two different things, crofty. 

[ChickenSandwich 9834]

Mid season rule changes suck.  Surely when they created they cost cap they also created an oversight system and a penalty system, right? Right?

Edited June 17, 2022 by ChickenSandwich

[Burt Macklin 19022]

9 hours ago, wood said:

If the standard will be FP3, then I would assume that's what the FIA will live by, like they do with wing deflection testing etc. I would think it would be the same things as when someone's front or rear wing is flexing and the FIA says "Welp, they passed the deflection test". They can't account for all scenarios. But who knows ...

There’s no way that’s what they do. Then teams will just run race/quali height FP1 and 2 then raise it for FP3. 

5 hours ago, elfenix said:

i wonder how much porpoising there'd be if they still had the 13" wheels

I realize they didn’t foresee all this, but  limiting the suspension and going to the 18” tires were terrible moved when combined with the porpoising. 

[wood 11225]

3 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

There’s no way that’s what they do. Then teams will just run race/quali height FP1 and 2 then raise it for FP3. 

OK, what will they do then? The cars and thus the magnitude of porpoising for each car are going to change during the race. If they're going to try to regulate it, they shouldn't change it based on the race porpoising when the cars have already passed the test or have been raised because they didn't pass it.

[wood 11225]

Circle K sponsoring McLaren. LMAO.

[G650 14254]

6 hours ago, wood said:

Circle K sponsoring McLaren. LMAO.

Strange things are afoot

[ChickenSandwich 9834]

8 hours ago, wood said:

Circle K sponsoring McLaren. LMAO.

Danny does look like a Theodore Logan. 

[Chewbacca 7776]

Gotta say, the Lance Stroll grandstand is a really good spot to watch the race. You get a great view of the cars as they slow down for the hairpin and then add they accelerate out. And having that screen there, you can keep tabs on the action. Now if we could do something about the weather...

[Chewbacca 7776]

Pic from FP1 yesterday

[faps 806]

I think I am just to your right, Chewbacca.

[texas08 1599]

Yell “BOTH TACOS” and wave at each other.

[elfenix 34237]

1 hour ago, texas08 said:

Yell “MULEDICK” and wave at each other.

 

[Fudbelty 2788]

Don’t yell “tree fiddy” I hear bad things happen. Allegedly.

[texas08 1599]

Go to the nearest drink stand at a designated time, then start shoulder checking a bunch of individuals until two dudes shoulder check each other. Then you know it’s each of you.

[52-80 19151]

Canadians doing their fans proud at the fine race

[faps 806]

It's wet. 💦

[RPM 26318]

Demo Derby Quali?

[52-80 19151]

latifi trying to blame his performance on poor tires, as if the entire grid isnt on them

[RPM 26318]

Lando has Splunk in his face.

Edited June 18, 2022 by RPM