Formula 1 2022

[wood 11770]

48 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I'd lump it with COTA and Silverstone.  It's a track on an island that was certainly purpose built for racing.  Not necessarily F1 racing, but it's not a race around the city streets of Monaco or Baku or Singapore or Miami.  I think calling Montreal a street circuit is being disingenuous.  Montreal shares a lot more in common with COTA than Monaco, IMO

Yeah they call Melbourne a street circuit too because it's also accessible the rest of the year like Montreal. Technically they're street circuits, but for racing purposes, they really aren't.

40 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Fair enough. No matter how you slice it, CGV gives you the best of both words with world class event planning and a world class race presentation. 

Indeed. CGV has their shit wired tight.

[PittsburghTiger 6351]

 

[Anton Chigurh 3335]

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

[faps 818]

I went down this wikipedia rabbit hole a long time ago. But I thought it was kinda cool that the island CGV is built on and the entire Montreal metro system were built for the 1967 worlds fair. Seems the geodesic dome and the casino are the only big structures left from that event. Most having been demolished to make way for some of the 1975 Olympic venues, including that rowing basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_67

[Anton Chigurh 3335]

I have a friend that has this on canvas. Kinda macabre, tbh.

[wood 11770]

vs this. Should provide more overtaking in S3:

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[Guest]

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Is this supposed to be if Senna had survived the crash that killed him?

[wood 11770]

31 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Is this supposed to be if Senna had survived the crash that killed him?

Yep.

[utee94 16091]

4 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

I have a friend that has this on canvas. Kinda macabre, tbh.

Yeah I have to say it weirds me out more than a little bit.

[elfenix 34778]

On 10/12/2022 at 11:37 AM, Burt Macklin said:

, but once you get to your car, you can get out of there with almost no traffic

this is amazing sarcasm

[utee94 16091]

20 minutes ago, elfenix said:

this is amazing sarcasm

I don't think so?  He's talking about parking in some of the privately owned lands near COTA, but not one of their actual official lots.  It's a longer hike but you can avoid some of the mayhem occurring in their official lots, where there's typically either zero parking attendant direction (which is a best-case scenario), or there's actively wrong and misleading parking attendant direction (which is the typical scenario).

Basically you walk past all of THAT clusterF, and once you finally get to your car, it's much smoother sailing.

[wood 11770]

Yeah I'll never pay to park in a COTA lot again. Danny & Carmen's on Elroy ftw.

Edited October 13, 2022 by wood

[Burt Macklin 19230]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

this is amazing sarcasm

Not joking. We parked in this neighborhood and encountered minimal traffic getting back to town after the race. 

[utee94 16091]

3 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

Not joking. We parked in this neighborhood and encountered minimal traffic getting back to town after the race. 

That's a little further out than even I was expecting-- how far did it end up being from your entry gate?

[wood 11770]

20 hours ago, utee94 said:

That's a little further out than even I was expecting-- how far did it end up being from your entry gate?

Looks like roughly 2 to 3 miles to the Grand Plaza gate depending on whether you stay on the roads or cut through the old rideshare/shuttle lot & take the path from there to the Grand Plaza.

[wood 11770]

So, Haas F1 has called a press conference for noon next Thursday at COTA. Interesting.

Could be a sponsor thing or a driver announcement, but those things don't usually warrant press conferences, do they?

[elfenix 34778]

sellingtoandrettisellingtoandrettisellingtoandrettisellingtoandretti

[wood 11770]

4 minutes ago, elfenix said:

sellingtoandrettisellingtoandrettisellingtoandrettisellingtoandretti

That was my first thought exactly,  too, I hope so! We'll see, I guess.

Edited October 15, 2022 by wood

[Chewbacca 7830]

This right here is why there needs to be real penalties for RBRs breach. Good on Toto for spelling it out. If there are no penalties, it is a luxury tax, not a cost cap.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2022/10/14/mercedes-willing-to-breach-f1-budget-cap-if-red-bull-face-minor-penalty/

[elfenix 34778]

didn't everyone agree on a penalty structure?  what does the structure say to do?  i assume this isn't hard to figure out.

[ChickenSandwich 9977]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

didn't everyone agree on a penalty structure?  what does the structure say to do?  i assume this isn't hard to figure out.

I feel like they would have released it if they had one. 

[Burt Macklin 19230]

21 hours ago, elfenix said:

didn't everyone agree on a penalty structure?  what does the structure say to do?  i assume this isn't hard to figure out.

It has a range of penalties from very minor ones to deducting points, so basically whatever the FIA feels like. 

[wood 11770]

23 hours ago, elfenix said:

didn't everyone agree on a penalty structure?  what does the structure say to do?  i assume this isn't hard to figure out.

Yep, everyone agreed to it. Also with the Red Bull case, y'all probably know that at least according to AMuS and some others, it seems to revolve around Newey's status as an employee or as a subcontractor. The FIA VP hinted that it's not the big deal is being blown up to be, that they'll probably have to clarify it, and they'll move on. Like Binotto said, gray areas will be found just as they always are in the technincal and sporting regs, and in the first year of a budget cap tweaks and tightening of rule interpretations were always bound to happen. From what I can tell, there's been no indication that RBR falsely submitted paperwork under the budget, but rather it's about the interpretation of Newey's employment status and some employee sick time accounting. Binotto also said the FIA team tasked with auditing all thee teams is only a few people, which explains the multiple delays. Imagine doing 10 audits of that size with so few people, esp with brand new regs where some things haven't been fully defined, etc.

 

 

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[elfenix 34778]

^^ read something that said they have less than a handful of auditors for what is, essentially, ~$1.5 billion to keep up with

[Anton Chigurh 3335]

They are of course audited by firms for the teams before being submitted. Red Bull uses EY.

The FIA then uses Deloitte to audit those submissions.

All of this takes a long time.


There was also a dry run in 2020.

[wood 11770]

16 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

They are of course audited by firms for the teams before being submitted. Red Bull uses EY.

The FIA then uses Deloitte to audit those submissions.

All of this takes a long time.


There was also a dry run in 2020.

Yep, and the tech & sporting regs have been around for decades and still get tweaked all the time, even in-season. The financial regs will likely be tweaked this year, and next year, etc, etc. That's just F1. We'll see what happens. It'll be ineresting, for sure.

[Duval Street 420]

Would be really cool if they also added in a cameo or two.

[wood 11770]

5 hours ago, Duval Street said:

Would be really cool if they also added in a cameo or two.

Yeah I see it in shows all the time. It's crazy. I saw it in Avenue 5 on HBO the other night.

A cameo from Lando would seem doubly appropriate.

Edited October 16, 2022 by wood

[Goofyboy 3438]

It doesn’t matter why they went over. They went over. If they are not nailed, Toto has already said he’s ready to spend. Merc would go 4.99% over for a “minor” penalty. They have the pockets to do it. Either the cost cap is an actual cap or it’s a luxury tax.

[wood 11770]

It's what they all agreed to though. I'm not saying at all that I think they should have agreed to it. But all of them did. I'm actually surprised all three of RBR, Ferrari, and Merc didn't see that and just go to 4.99% over just like you say Merc will do next year. It still hasn't been determined how much RBR went over, and it's down to settling on an interpretation that it seems will end up putting them slightly over or coming in under the cap.

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

Is there just going to be a Star Wars series for every little thing now? Disney sucks. 

[Guest]

South Austin just posted in the blastfurnace thread that the temp forecast has been creeping up from the 80's toward the 90's for the race this weekend. Good luck to y'all heading out there. Last year there was a big tent in the infield by the back straight that we hung out under in between practices just to get a break. The lack of shade out there is criminal.

Edited October 17, 2022 by FirstTimeCaller

[NoName 17180]

On 10/15/2022 at 10:47 PM, wood said:

Binotto also said the FIA team tasked with auditing all thee teams is only a few people, which explains the multiple delays. Imagine doing 10 audits of that size with so few people, esp with brand new regs where some things haven't been fully defined, etc.

i thought someone said Deloitte was doing the audits? if the FIA is doing audits in house they are even bigger morons than anyone though.

Edited October 17, 2022 by NoName

[NoName 17180]

6 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Is there just going to be a Star Wars series for every little thing now? Disney sucks. 

just for what it's worth, Andor is excellent.

[Mittens 8778]

2 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

South Austin just posted in the blastfurnace thread that the temp forecast has been creeping up from the 80's toward the 90's for the race this weekend. Good luck to y'all heading out there. Last year there was a big tent in the infield by the back straight that we hung out under in between practices just to get a break. The lack of shade out there is criminal.

This looks pretty awesome to me.

 

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6 minutes ago, Mittens said:

This looks pretty awesome to me.

 

Yeah, but if you can't get any shade, it's a beating. I looked it up and the temp last year when I went was 86 and we were dogging it after a few. The temp itself is nice, but direct sun for 6-8 hours suckkkkkks.

Edited October 17, 2022 by FirstTimeCaller

[texasdago 7772]

On 10/13/2022 at 4:56 PM, wood said:

Yeah I'll never pay to park in a COTA lot again. Danny & Carmen's on Elroy ftw.

Tell me more.

 

So, I may have access to a ticket for Sunday for free.  For MotoGP I always park by T1 but I'm sure that's not an option.  I don't want to take a freakin' shuttle.  What are my creative options?

[wood 11770]

11 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Tell me more.

 

So, I may have access to a ticket for Sunday for free.  For MotoGP I always park by T1 but I'm sure that's not an option.  I don't want to take a freakin' shuttle.  What are my creative options?

I'm not sure they'll have any spots left this late, but Danny & Carmen's is right across Elroy Road from the fire station. I don't know if they have a website, but they're on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Dandcparking/

Their address and phone number are listed there. There's also another family right nextdoor to them that runs a lot, and 2 or 3 more along that stretch of Elroy Rd near lot T.

I also just heard yesterday that another land owner has cleared a big lot for parking near T11, along or near Elroy Road, between Fagerquist and Jacobson Roads. They have a website and might go under the radar a bit this year. https://www.austinraceparking.com

 

 

[wood 11770]

3 hours ago, NoName said:

i thought someone said Deloitte was doing the audits? if the FIA is doing audits in house they are even bigger morons than anyone though.

Anton Chigurh added that. I've also read other places that Deloitte is being used in an advisory role but aren't actually diving into it themselves. I honestly have no idea which of those is true or whether it could be somewhere in the middle.

[wood 11770]

3 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

South Austin just posted in the blastfurnace thread that the temp forecast has been creeping up from the 80's toward the 90's for the race this weekend. Good luck to y'all heading out there. Last year there was a big tent in the infield by the back straight that we hung out under in between practices just to get a break. The lack of shade out there is criminal.

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Yeah, but if you can't get any shade, it's a beating. I looked it up and the temp last year when I went was 86 and we were dogging it after a few. The temp itself is nice, but direct sun for 6-8 hours suckkkkkks.

Exactly. I remember the time the WEC raced there in September. It wasn't even hot here for that time of year. 91 or 92. But when you're out in it all day with nowhere to go for shade, iwalking for miles, etc, it get's prettty brutal. I'm used to playing and working outside in the Austin heat, but at COTA, you're pretty much completely at the mercy of the elements, whether it's hot, cold, or a strom's rolling through.

One of the conditions the City Council put on COTA to approve their endorsement of COTA for the METF $$$ was that they had to plant something like 1000 trees. They've gotten $300M so far from that, and will get another $200M the next 5 years, but the only trees I've seen them plant out there are a few scattered around the grand plaza area.

Edited October 17, 2022 by wood

[utee94 16091]

It'll be warm but certainly not the hottest it's ever been for a race weekend out there.

And having lived through 2015 and... 2018 maybe?...plus NASCAR in 2021... I'd much rather have some warmth than have the rain.  That makes for a truly miserable weekend.

[ConferenceRoom 6214]

The Sunday after the qualifying washout was absolutely glorious. 

[texasdago 7772]

43 minutes ago, wood said:

I'm not sure they'll have any spots left this late, but Danny & Carmen's is right across Elroy Road from the fire station. I don't know if they have a website, but they're on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Dandcparking/

Their address and phone number are listed there. There's also another family right nextdoor to them that runs a lot, and 2 or 3 more along that stretch of Elroy Rd near lot T.

I also just heard yesterday that another land owner has cleared a big lot for parking near T11, along or near Elroy Road, between Fagerquist and Jacobson Roads. They have a website and might go under the radar a bit this year. https://www.austinraceparking.com

 

 

Looks like they are selling for 125 per car on Sunday.  I wonder if I just rolled into Elroy early on Sunday with cash on hand and found someone willing to charge for a spot on their land.  I think Danny and Carmen are sold out.

 

[texasdago 7772]

Upside is I may get a free ticket for Sunday but downside is parking... like I've pretty much avoided F1 because of it.

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16 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Upside is I may get a free ticket for Sunday but downside is parking... like I've pretty much avoided F1 because of it.

Yeah I actually went through the thought process of "Would I go to the race if I had a free ticket?" when I read your post. I settled on no because I wouldn't know what to do about parking/getting there and back.  I assume everything is sold out and the shuttles were insane prices last year when I looked at taking one.

[Guest]

Actually, if you're going solo, then $35 isn't too bad. No idea on the time it takes.

Last year there were three of us, so a shuttle would have run $100. We parked at Danny and Carmen's as mentioned by wood. It was great. 

 

[wood 11770]

3 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Yeah I actually went through the thought process of "Would I go to the race if I had a free ticket?" when I read your post. I settled on no because I wouldn't know what to do about parking/getting there and back.  I assume everything is sold out and the shuttles were insane prices last year when I looked at taking one.

That's where I am. I won;t go Saturday or Sunday even if one of my usual sources comes up with something free for me. I'll just give it to my kid. It's just too much of a hassle & I don't wanna give them my money to get shit on the way so many folks have been the last few years.

[wood 11770]

Mario in a McLaren at Laguna.

BTW COTA is apparently naming T20 "The Andretti". I like it in principle, but why "The", and why not a better turn than T20 ... like T1 (Big red, barf), the Andretti Esses, T10, etc. Any of those would be more appropriate than T20.

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by wood

[utee94 16091]

That's pretty cool.

Although I really hate the nose/front wing on that era of car.