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13 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Another lame ass fucking semifinals and pointless ass season just to see the same bullshit at the end.

Don't ever say college football is better than the NFL. They kick it up a notch come playoff time. And their regular season actually has meaning. 90% of college games have zero impact on anything and then get to play a glorified scrimmage after the season. 

Play a whole season to see the same exact group of teams play. the talent is so unbalanced it isn't even funny. I can't think of a sport right now as backwards as college football. Most sports, the playoffs mean it gets tense and exciting. Not college football. It's time for Cheez It and Mayo Bowls.

I get the NFL and other sports has dynasties but at least they have to battle it out to get there. They can't just load up on a whole roster of 4-5 star talent and just out talent 95% of their games. 

And no, just because these semifinals games suck, doesn't mean we should not expand. Under the BCS, the national championship would be Bama/Michigan, which Bama wins by 3 scores. Georgia would have been left out. Expanding could open up recruiting. Now days, kids know if you don't go to Bama, Georgia, Clemson, OU, Ohio St, your shot of playing in the playoffs are slim. We'll see if the NIL can somewhat level the field but I doubt it. 

Don’t end your year angry. 

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38 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Yeah, things suck right now.  I'm sure us sucking has a lot to do with that, but I really think the old days -- the old conferences, the bowl tie-ins -- were better.

….with all that starvin’ bullshit. And the dust storms. And we running out of french fries and burrito coverins. 

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I don’t know man, seems knee jerk because bamA and sabam have absolutely dominated the last decade and probably will win it all again.
 We got two teams that have never been in the playoffs including a g5 team.  

it’s gonna be this way until sabam retires.  I would like to see something like a G5 championship or maybe an NIT style Tournatment for football.  

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I liked the old conference tie ins and MNC.   The bowl games mattered and the regular season meant something.  Also it kept talent more regional and evenly spread.  

If you weren't going to have a real playoff go back to the old bowl system and polls.

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Texas being ass has ruined my zeal for CFB honestly. Playoffs has made every other bowl game completely pointless. I remember being excited af to watch us in the Rose Bowl vs Michigan even though it wasn’t the natty. BCS bowl games used to mean something. This goofy ass “who’s in” promotion has made it to where it’s either you’re in the playoffs or you’re a bum. I haven’t watched many bowl games outside of ours. It sucks but what can they do?

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Nah. This thread is right. College football sucks. Sucks that it sucks, but it sucks. Texas would add some color if we were good. But really, it just sucks. 

I watched 25 minutes of it today. I’ll watch zero from here on out. Nfl playoffs are going to be awesome though 

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In the end, Cincinnati looked like, well, a College Football Playoff semifinal team, and that might be the problem.

The final score of the Cotton Bowl was 27-6, Alabama over Cincinnati. The yardage was lopsided, too. The way the game played out wasn’t quite as bad — it was an 11-point game entering the fourth quarter. As far as Alabama semifinal games go, this one was a bit more interesting than usual. More than Alabama’s previous semifinal blowouts against Michigan State, Washington and Notre Dame. In that sense, Cincinnati “belonged.”

 

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So here we sit. Through 16 CFP semifinal games after Georgia’s 34-11 win against Michigan in the Orange Bowl later Friday, 12 have been decided by at least 17 points.

A common refrain in recent years has been that the BCS was right, that there aren’t four teams deserving of a shot at the national championship. But Alabama’s slow-but-methodical beatdown of the Bearcats was yet another example of why the Playoff needs to expand, and it needs to do so as soon as possible. Let’s hope the commissioners who will meet at the national title game realize that.

 

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It won’t change the results at the end, but it’ll give us something to enjoy along the way.

Over eight years, the CFP has pulled off the remarkable feat of failing to give us good semifinal games while also devaluating the New Year’s Six games outside the CFP rotation. The result is that the sport’s highest-profile games miss the charm and excitement that comes with the regular season, and what should be the climactic moments of the season often feel like duds. Alabama fans are so used to this that most had cleared out before Friday’s trophy presentation even ended.

It’s not what anyone envisioned when the format was put into place with a 12-year contract in 2014. It was supposed to give more teams a chance and produce a new class of winners. Instead, it’s provided Alabama a second chance in some years, and the Tide have reached the championship game six times in eight seasons.

The night before this latest CFP blowout, Michigan State and Pitt played a Peach Bowl without two of the most exciting players in the sport, as Kenneth Walker III and Kenny Pickett opted out. Do you think that happens if both teams are in a 12-team playoff? Of course not. Ohio State’s star receivers opting out of Saturday’s Rose Bowl should tell you what that tradition means when your goal is a national title.

It’s why the format must expand again. Not to produce different champions, but to give us competitive, meaningful games and change the ultimate goal of the sport.

The 12-team model that is most favored by the sport’s power brokers would give us a slate of eight additional games, including a first round of teams 5-12 that assuredly would produce more exciting results than what we get now. By giving byes to the Alabamas of the world, we’ll get teams that are more even in talent on the field for something that matters.

And if we put those games on campuses, where the sport was meant to be played, we’ll get electric environments that’ll produce memorable moments and experiences.

Cincinnati won’t have to require a season full of chaos to get a spot and then go up against the most talented team in the sport. The Bearcats had plenty to be proud of on Friday — cornerbacks Sauce Gardner and Coby Bryant shut down Alabama’s receivers on the outside, for one. They just didn’t have the horses along the lines.

“We knew the battle in the trenches would be a big deal,” Cincinnati head coach Luke Fickell said. “That’s where the game was won.”

The loss doesn’t take away anything from the Bearcats’ season, but I’d love to see them against an Oklahoma State or a Pitt, too. Imagine if we had Notre Dame and Utah playing in South Bend for a chance to move on.

Expanding would also provide everyone in the Football Bowl Subdivision with a tangible goal of reaching the CFP, giving more fans something to celebrate and enjoy before the games. That can be the ultimate goal. Like the NCAA men’s and women’s basketball tournaments, reaching that is an accomplishment in itself, something every team could realistically point to in preseason camp. The 12-team format also gives stakes to a conference championship game between two teams already in the field, because a bye would be on the line.

We love our Duke’s Mayo Bowls and our Music City Bowls. Those don’t have to go away. But those second-tier NY6 games that get schools that aren’t thrilled to be there are caught in between, and they’re quickly becoming devalued.

Ten days from now, the sport’s commissioners will meet in Indianapolis, the site of the national championship. They will again try to come to an agreement on expansion. It’ll be their seventh meeting on the topic since a 12-team proposal was put forth in June. What once seemed like a sure thing was nearly derailed by conference realignment.

All of the commissioners say they want expansion. They just can’t agree on all the details, whether it’s eight or 12 teams or how many teams are guaranteed a spot by winning their conference championships.

If they want to expand by the 2024 regular season, this meeting in January might have to be the time. Waiting until after the 2025 regular season would allow a clean slate and get the CFP out from various bowl contracts. Can the sport afford to go through four more years of this, though?

College football succeeds despite itself. It put its marquee semifinal games on New Year’s Eve instead of New Year’s Day, a day the sport used to own, because of antiquated bowl contracts.

Cincinnati fans still showed out in Arlington. They were much louder than Alabama fans. Michigan fans outnumbered Georgia fans in Miami. There are fan bases craving the chance to reach this stage. But the collection of talent is so tied up in a handful of teams at the top that we’ll continue to get the same schools in the four-team field most years.

Expansion won’t change who wins in the end. It’ll probably continue to produce lopsided semifinal results. But the College Football Playoff is supposed to be the climactic moment of the sport, and it’s just not. It’s time to adjust. It’s time to open the door and reimagine what the sport’s crowning moments should be.

 

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The two best teams will meet in the championship, as has been the case every year in the CFP era (maybe not 2014) and most years of the BCS era. It is stale and boring, but you can't legislate it away. Especially with middle age and elderly white guys in charge of everything...none of us can explain why it's better to be the No. 5 WR at Bama or Ohio State as opposed to the No. 2 WR at Texas or OU.

NIL and the transfer rule should open things up for a few others including UT. But the top tier of the SEC is basically the Lakers/Warriors/Nets right now, recruits/free agents aren't looking much further than that.

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Right after the College Football Playoff field was announced on Dec. 5, a reporter asked Nick Saban if it was good for the sport to have some new blood in the four-team field. Michigan and Cincinnati in the Playoff? How good is that for college football?

“Good for who?” Saban asked back the way combative Saban can be at times, this time drawing laughter.

The sport.

 

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“The sport?” Saban clapped back. “Look, I think it’s good that we have a balance in college football in terms of people who can be successful. I think it’s good for the fans that they all have hope that their team has an opportunity to get in the College Football Playoff. … But I’m not apologizing for trying to have a program like a lot of people have tried to have, a program that can get in the Playoff as many times as possible. I’m sure that’s the goal of a lot of folks. So even though I think it might be healthy for the sport because it’s healthy for fans, as competitors, as coaches, we’re all trying to get our team in the Playoff because that’s sort of the standard of college football right now.”

 

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People are tired of Alabama because the Crimson Tide win every year. Even in a season like this one, when the most biased Alabama fans could maybe accept an argument that this is one of the two weakest teams Saban has fielded in the Playoff era. The Tide were “rebuilding” after losing a record six first-round NFL Draft picks from last year’s champs.

Now Saban is one win away from winning another national title after mauling Cincinnati 27-6.

When Cincinnati became the first Group of 5 program to make the Playoff, the stage was set for the Bearcats to prove to the world that teams from outside the Power 5 belong in the conversation with the nation’s elite teams. And, to some extent, that stars from recruiting profiles don’t tell the entire story.

Cincinnati became the symbol it never asked to be. Then it got beaten badly by the program that rarely loses.

This will predictably turn into a Power 5 vs. Group of 5 discussion. Some will see the way Cincinnati was physically manhandled and argue that we’re wasting our time considering Group of 5 programs for this stage. It’s a different level of football, they’ll say.

But that would be misguided, and frankly unfair to Cincinnati, which fared every bit as well as most of the Power 5 teams that made this stage, which is essentially the same thing as being led to the slaughterhouse.

Even the best teams in college football with the most heartwarming stories are eventually met by the Boogie Man at the end of the road. The Boogie Man? That would be Alabama and the teams built like the Crimson Tide, the ones with five-star prospects all over the field and first-round NFL Draft picks stacked in their media guides.

This isn’t a discussion about Power 5 vs. Group of 5. Cincinnati doesn’t deserve that, especially after managing to keep the game within striking distance for three quarters despite being outclassed physically.

“There’s no doubt in my mind,” Saban said after the game, “Cincinnati belongs in the Playoff. They gave us all we could handle.”

This is a discussion about the haves vs. the have nots in college football. And here’s the reality: There are only about five “haves” in the entire sport in any given year.

Stars matter.

We all want to cling to the idea that there will be a major upset on this stage, that the real-life embodiment of the movie “Rudy” — where heart trumps talent — will manifest on ESPN with the entire world watching.

Yes, football is a weird sport. Inferior teams win games against more talented teams all the time. But on this stage, with a national title two wins away and teams like Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson taking the field, most of the underdogs just aren’t physically equipped to compete. That could mean Washington, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Cincinnati or anyone else in this position. Heck, Ohio State, a team that’s built similarly to Alabama, got its doors blown off in the national title game last season. This sport is about the teams that recruit well enough to win and everyone else, regardless of conference affiliation or Group of 5 vs. Power 5 status.

That’s why half of the 14 College Football Playoff games coming into this year were decided by 20 or more points. Add another one to the list with Cincinnati’s demise in Dallas on Friday. But what did anyone really expect? Alabama is ranked No. 1 in the 247Sports Team Talent Composite rankings for the 2021 season. Cincinnati? No. 52. Alabama has 74 scholarship players on its current roster who were rated four-star prospects or better. Only 11 scholarship players were three-star prospects. Cincinnati has only seven players who rated four-star prospects, and no five-stars.

Taking it a step forward, players who rated in the top 150 nationally in the 247Sports Composite led Alabama in passing (Bryce Young, who won the Heisman Trophy), receiving (Ja’Corey Brooks, a true freshman), rushing (Brian Robinson), tackles (Brian Branch), sacks (Will Anderson) and tackles for loss (Anderson and Phidarian Mathis). Cincinnati has only two top-150 players on its entire roster, both of whom were transfers: Jowon Briggs (Virginia) and L’Christian “Blue” Smith (Ohio State).

Why would Cincinnati win this game? Because the entire country was rooting for it to happen?

That’s not how this game works.

What we got was a predictable finish to a game with a two-touchdown spread. Alabama, the death star of talent accumulation that has won the recruiting crown nine of the last 11 years, is one more win away from another national title.

So is it good for the sport to have new blood in the College Football Playoff? Maybe for dreamers and those who want to see something new.

But why would that matter to Nick Saban and Alabama? They are probably going to win no matter who they’re playing, whether it be some team from the Group of 5 or an overmatched team from the Power 5.

 

 

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People are tired of Alabama because the Crimson Tide win every year. Even in a season like this one, when the most biased Alabama fans could maybe accept an argument that this is one of the two weakest teams Saban has fielded in the Playoff era. The Tide were “rebuilding” after losing a record six first-round NFL Draft picks from last year’s champs.

Now Saban is one win away from winning another national title after mauling Cincinnati 27-6.

When Cincinnati became the first Group of 5 program to make the Playoff, the stage was set for the Bearcats to prove to the world that teams from outside the Power 5 belong in the conversation with the nation’s elite teams. And, to some extent, that stars from recruiting profiles don’t tell the entire story.

Cincinnati became the symbol it never asked to be. Then it got beaten badly by the program that rarely loses.

This will predictably turn into a Power 5 vs. Group of 5 discussion. Some will see the way Cincinnati was physically manhandled and argue that we’re wasting our time considering Group of 5 programs for this stage. It’s a different level of football, they’ll say.

But that would be misguided, and frankly unfair to Cincinnati, which fared every bit as well as most of the Power 5 teams that made this stage, which is essentially the same thing as being led to the slaughterhouse.

Even the best teams in college football with the most heartwarming stories are eventually met by the Boogie Man at the end of the road. The Boogie Man? That would be Alabama and the teams built like the Crimson Tide, the ones with five-star prospects all over the field and first-round NFL Draft picks stacked in their media guides.

This isn’t a discussion about Power 5 vs. Group of 5. Cincinnati doesn’t deserve that, especially after managing to keep the game within striking distance for three quarters despite being outclassed physically.

“There’s no doubt in my mind,” Saban said after the game, “Cincinnati belongs in the Playoff. They gave us all we could handle.”

This is a discussion about the haves vs. the have nots in college football. And here’s the reality: There are only about five “haves” in the entire sport in any given year.

Stars matter.

We all want to cling to the idea that there will be a major upset on this stage, that the real-life embodiment of the movie “Rudy” — where heart trumps talent — will manifest on ESPN with the entire world watching.

Yes, football is a weird sport. Inferior teams win games against more talented teams all the time. But on this stage, with a national title two wins away and teams like Alabama, Ohio State and Clemson taking the field, most of the underdogs just aren’t physically equipped to compete. That could mean Washington, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Cincinnati or anyone else in this position. Heck, Ohio State, a team that’s built similarly to Alabama, got its doors blown off in the national title game last season. This sport is about the teams that recruit well enough to win and everyone else, regardless of conference affiliation or Group of 5 vs. Power 5 status.

That’s why half of the 14 College Football Playoff games coming into this year were decided by 20 or more points. Add another one to the list with Cincinnati’s demise in Dallas on Friday. But what did anyone really expect? Alabama is ranked No. 1 in the 247Sports Team Talent Composite rankings for the 2021 season. Cincinnati? No. 52. Alabama has 74 scholarship players on its current roster who were rated four-star prospects or better. Only 11 scholarship players were three-star prospects. Cincinnati has only seven players who rated four-star prospects, and no five-stars.

Taking it a step forward, players who rated in the top 150 nationally in the 247Sports Composite led Alabama in passing (Bryce Young, who won the Heisman Trophy), receiving (Ja’Corey Brooks, a true freshman), rushing (Brian Robinson), tackles (Brian Branch), sacks (Will Anderson) and tackles for loss (Anderson and Phidarian Mathis). Cincinnati has only two top-150 players on its entire roster, both of whom were transfers: Jowon Briggs (Virginia) and L’Christian “Blue” Smith (Ohio State).

Why would Cincinnati win this game? Because the entire country was rooting for it to happen?

That’s not how this game works.

What we got was a predictable finish to a game with a two-touchdown spread. Alabama, the death star of talent accumulation that has won the recruiting crown nine of the last 11 years, is one more win away from another national title.

So is it good for the sport to have new blood in the College Football Playoff? Maybe for dreamers and those who want to see something new.

But why would that matter to Nick Saban and Alabama? They are probably going to win no matter who they’re playing, whether it be some team from the Group of 5 or an overmatched team from the Power 5.

 

 

That's some schlock. Glad I don't pay for the athletic. I didn't see Cincy get manhandled. I saw them piss away opportunities and get out quarterbacked and coached and disciplined en route to a 20 point loss. I saw Alabama's best wide receiver get the absolute piss knocked out of him on a kickoff return. I saw Bryce Young get held under 200 yards and frequently look hurried and out of rhythm under pressure. 

Yes Bama was the better team today but let's not get on our knees and suck their dicks because they won another semi. They've been beatable all year and they looked beatable today. I just don't think Cincy had a guy under center talented enough to make them pay for it.

Let's maybe ask this question - who's the best QB Bama has played all season? Fucking no one. 

Let me correct myself - they got Matt Corral at home. But outside of QB Cincy is a much, much better team than Ole Miss. 

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I’m inclined to agree but I think it’s more of a symptom of my alma mater being an embarrassment over the past decade. I will say though as I’ve gotten older, it’s gotten to the point where I can usually carve out time to watch Texas games but don’t watch any other games. That’s partly because of familial and other obligations that make it hard to find time to just watch random games all day, but also it’s just not fun to watch when your team constantly puts a damper on your sports mood. If I do get to watch random games in either college or NFL not involving Texas or the Cowboys, I tend to enjoy NFL games more so just because the on-field product generally feels more polished, as it should.

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37 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

If we were fuckstomping everyone like Bama this thread wouldn’t exist.  Let’s see what happens when Texas gets to weaponize its greatest asset; money.

NIL is surely a good bit for schools like us no doubt. change is good. the first years of the BCS were amazing. the CF playoff is stale as fuck right now. i don't really watch it and I currently think the NFL is a better product. And used to hate the NFL and don't have a team to cheer for.

and texas sucking is certainly part of it, but not all of it

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Nah. These games sucked, but cincy gagged and Michigan had no business being there. Bama and Georgia were the two best teams all year and we are getting the title game that should have happened. 

College football is still the best sport we have and Saturdays for the past 3 months were better than they will be for the next 6. I'm going to miss it and can't wait for August. 

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1 hour ago, Okie State said:

It has been shitty for a while. We'll never win a championship, but I used to still enjoy watching random games on Saturday. Some of it is because I actually have responsibilities now, but in general it has lost some of whatever it used to have.

It has to be the commercialization of it all.

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I hope all of you realize that fans of other teams look at threads like this and laugh their fucking asses off. 

The lack of self-awareness in here is astounding. Do you think Baylor is bitching about the current state of cfb after pimping Texas and Oklahoma for the B12 crown? Our fanbase is so fucking embarassing sometimes. 

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I agree we need to expand the playoffs but this sport has always thrived in spite of the championship outcome. This year was pretty great outside of seven win steve throwing away 4 wins for Texas.

OSU won Bedlam and Michigan won the game with playoffs on the line for all 4 teams involved. Utah won the Pac, Pitt won the ACC, and Baylor won the Big 12. You'd have won a lot of money betting that parlay in August.

Had the Auburn RB went down in bounds then Bama is out of the playoff and ND goes to the CFP with a head coach in his first ever game. 

The storylines are what makes this game great and regardless of what happens in January the story of the season is told from September to November. There are many more I'm missing but don't sell the greatest form of football short just because Nick Saban exists. 

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You want to make this shit real?  A little drama back in the regular season and conf champ games?   Make it a six team playoff.   P5 conf champs are in plus one g5 or independent based on ap rankings.   
 

This would break the gridlock.   And some of the sec teams might look for a new home when they realize that they are never making it to the playoff under the status quo.  

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2 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

If we were fuckstomping everyone like Bama this thread wouldn’t exist.  Let’s see what happens when Texas gets to weaponize its greatest asset; money.

 

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Me RN waiting for Texas to do something with all that $

 

 

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