College Football Is Stale and Boring

[Huckleberry 32703]

On 1/11/2022 at 4:26 PM, Huckleberry said:

The two worst ratings shares for national championship games in the last 18 years before the COVID season were the Alabama-LSU conference rematch and the third time people watched Alabama play Clemson. Hard core fans will continue to watch, but there is zero doubt that the same teams showing up over and over, or even worse playing a rematch, depresses ratings.

Forgot to mention that the the four highest ratings shares for national championship games since the BCS started in the 1998 season all had no SEC teams (last night's rating share not available yet that I know of).

Season	Matchup	Rating
2005	Texas-USC	21.7
2014	Ohio St.-Oregon	18.6
2000	Oklahoma-Florida St.	17.8
1999	Florida St.-Virginia Tech	17.5
2006	Florida-Ohio St.	17.4
1998	Tennessee vs. Florida St.	17.2
2002	Ohio St.-Miami (FL)	17.2
2009	Alabama-Texas	17.2
2008	Florida-Oklahoma	15.8
2017	Alabama-Georgia	15.6
2010	Auburn-Oregon	15.3
2012	Alabama-Notre Dame	15.1
2015	Alabama-Clemson	15.0
2003	LSU-Oklahoma	14.8
2013	Florida St.-Auburn	14.8
2007	LSU-Ohio St.	14.4
2019	LSU-Clemson	14.3
2016	Clemson-Alabama	14.2
2011	Alabama-LSU	14.0
2001	Miami-Nebraska	13.8
2018	Clemson-Alabama	13.8
2004	USC-Oklahoma	13.7
2020	Alabama-Ohio St.	10.3

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Season	Matchup	Rating
2005	Texas-USC	21.7
2014	Ohio St.-Oregon	18.6
2000	Oklahoma-Florida St.	17.8
1999	Florida St.-Virginia Tech	17.5
2006	Florida-Ohio St.	17.4
1998	Tennessee vs. Florida St.	17.2
2002	Ohio St.-Miami (FL)	17.2
2009	Alabama-Texas	17.2
2008	Florida-Oklahoma	15.8
2017	Alabama-Georgia	15.6
2010	Auburn-Oregon	15.3
2012	Alabama-Notre Dame	15.1
2015	Alabama-Clemson	15.0
2003	LSU-Oklahoma	14.8
2013	Florida St.-Auburn	14.8
2007	LSU-Ohio St.	14.4
2019	LSU-Clemson	14.3
2016	Clemson-Alabama	14.2
2011	Alabama-LSU	14.0
2001	Miami-Nebraska	13.8
2018	Clemson-Alabama	13.8
2004	USC-Oklahoma	13.7
2021	Georgia-Alabama	12.1
2020	Alabama-Ohio St.	10.3

 

There is zero denying that rematches and repetitive team appearances kill ratings.

[Smax 3800]

I sure wish college football games were as fun and exciting as this Buffalo NE playoff game 

[Gaffords 755]

3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

We can update this now

Season	Matchup	Rating
2005	Texas-USC	21.7
2014	Ohio St.-Oregon	18.6
2000	Oklahoma-Florida St.	17.8
1999	Florida St.-Virginia Tech	17.5
2006	Florida-Ohio St.	17.4
1998	Tennessee vs. Florida St.	17.2
2002	Ohio St.-Miami (FL)	17.2
2009	Alabama-Texas	17.2
2008	Florida-Oklahoma	15.8
2017	Alabama-Georgia	15.6
2010	Auburn-Oregon	15.3
2012	Alabama-Notre Dame	15.1
2015	Alabama-Clemson	15.0
2003	LSU-Oklahoma	14.8
2013	Florida St.-Auburn	14.8
2007	LSU-Ohio St.	14.4
2019	LSU-Clemson	14.3
2016	Clemson-Alabama	14.2
2011	Alabama-LSU	14.0
2001	Miami-Nebraska	13.8
2018	Clemson-Alabama	13.8
2004	USC-Oklahoma	13.7
2021	Georgia-Alabama	12.1
2020	Alabama-Ohio St.	10.3

 

There is zero denying that rematches and repetitive team appearances kill ratings.

This tells me that population matters.  The Texas/California market combination or the Texas/Florida market combination is the biggest win win for everyone.  As long as OU (most of their cock sucking fans live in Texas), aggy, or LSU (plenty of East Texas eyes follow those swamp ags).  But for Max $$$, the University of Texas should play for a National championship every 3 years. 

[Vic Mackey 46936]

2 hours ago, Smax said:

I sure wish college football games were as fun and exciting as this Buffalo NE playoff game 

I sure wish the NFL would handpick 4 teams at the end of the regular season by some dorky committee and give us a 4 team "playoff" and make us wait over a month for those games and let the rest of the teams play in pointless scrimmages leading up to and after those "playoff" games. 

This Bills/Pats game was pretty much exactly like 75% of the playoff games they offer up to us.

[nnm 36100]

5 hours ago, Gaffords said:

This tells me that population matters.  The Texas/California market combination or the Texas/Florida market combination is the biggest win win for everyone.  As long as OU (most of their cock sucking fans live in Texas), aggy, or LSU (plenty of East Texas eyes follow those swamp ags).  But for Max $$$, the University of Texas should play for a National championship every 3 years. 

Well, leaving out the homerism with wanting UT in every 3 years, you’re absolutely right. As others have pointed out, making CFB a regional sport, centered in a low population, low education, low income region, caps the sport financially. ESPN had better figure this out for its own financial stake. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

10 hours ago, Smax said:

I sure wish college football games were as fun and exciting as this Buffalo NE playoff game 

Got damn that was a fun as shit game 

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

We can update this now

Season	Matchup	Rating
2005	Texas-USC	21.7
2014	Ohio St.-Oregon	18.6
2000	Oklahoma-Florida St.	17.8
1999	Florida St.-Virginia Tech	17.5
2006	Florida-Ohio St.	17.4
1998	Tennessee vs. Florida St.	17.2
2002	Ohio St.-Miami (FL)	17.2
2009	Alabama-Texas	17.2
2008	Florida-Oklahoma	15.8
2017	Alabama-Georgia	15.6
2010	Auburn-Oregon	15.3
2012	Alabama-Notre Dame	15.1
2015	Alabama-Clemson	15.0
2003	LSU-Oklahoma	14.8
2013	Florida St.-Auburn	14.8
2007	LSU-Ohio St.	14.4
2019	LSU-Clemson	14.3
2016	Clemson-Alabama	14.2
2011	Alabama-LSU	14.0
2001	Miami-Nebraska	13.8
2018	Clemson-Alabama	13.8
2004	USC-Oklahoma	13.7
2021	Georgia-Alabama	12.1
2020	Alabama-Ohio St.	10.3

 

There is zero denying that rematches and repetitive team appearances kill ratings.

"That's almost a 20% increase over 2020...  They love this shit!  they want MORE SEC!!!"

Edited January 16, 2022 by slorch

[Underdog 28457]

Hard to believe two classic helmets schools like Texas/Bama didn’t draw a bigger audience. 

[Deej 76568]

If it wasn't for playing Texas, Bama would never have gotten over a 16 rating.  

[Underdog 28457]

Data supports you. 

[Nivek 16859]

This tells me that population matters.  The Texas/California market combination or the Texas/Florida market combination is the biggest win win for everyone.  As long as OU (most of their cock sucking fans live in Texas), aggy, or LSU (plenty of East Texas eyes follow those swamp ags).  But for Max $$$, the University of Texas should play for a National championship every 3 years. 

In other words they fucked themselves out of revenue for condoning the 2008 bullshit. Good.

[GTX Horn 1707]

13 hours ago, Smax said:

I sure wish college football games were as fun and exciting as this Buffalo NE playoff game 

That’s cherry-picking one game. The Bengals-Raiders game was a solid game. Not to mention the Raiders-Chargers game last week was as fun and exciting as any college football game this season.

[stork642 4498]

The only problem college football has is Saban.   Just as soon as he starts to decline/retire that will solve those issues.   We are seeing the effects of unprecedented domination by that little dwarf.  Hope he is gone soon.   

[Disco Missile 456]

10 hours ago, nnm said:

Well, leaving out the homerism with wanting UT in every 3 years, you’re absolutely right. As others have pointed out, making CFB a regional sport, centered in a low population, low education, low income region, caps the sport financially. ESPN had better figure this out for its own financial stake. 

Your source data is wrong.

The Southeast is the #1 region in the US by GDP according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The Southeastern US accounts for over 20% of national GDP.
The Southeast is also the fastest growing region, both by GDP and by population.
The population of the states comprising "SEC country" is the largest among all conferences, followed closely by the ACC (which has more mid-Atlantic states), and both of those conferences are far ahead of the rest of the pack.

Then consider that 5 of the top 8 states producing NFL talent are also in the SEC (Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana).

ESPN didn't make college football a regional sport. It kind of is a regional sport, with some amount of talent and interest in California and the Midwest, and I would argue that California is a dubious football market to begin with.

[notre dame joe 172]

6 hours ago, stork642 said:

The only problem college football has is Saban.   Just as soon as he starts to decline/retire that will solve those issues.   We are seeing the effects of unprecedented domination by that little dwarf.  Hope he is gone soon.   

No. It was bad enough that they restructured CFB to take away the lottery ticket that BYU and Houston had to win a national title.  Now they are working to cut off the traditional end of the year celebration bowl.  That's telling large numbers of mid tier school alumni that they have nothing to hope for. 

[Nivek 16859]

Your source data is wrong.

The Southeast is the #1 region in the US by GDP according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The Southeastern US accounts for over 20% of national GDP.
The Southeast is also the fastest growing region, both by GDP and by population.
The population of the states comprising "SEC country" is the largest among all conferences, followed closely by the ACC (which has more mid-Atlantic states), and both of those conferences are far ahead of the rest of the pack.
Then consider that 5 of the top 8 states producing NFL talent are also in the SEC (Texas, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana).
ESPN didn't make college football a regional sport. It kind of is a regional sport, with some amount of talent and interest in California and the Midwest, and I would argue that California is a dubious football market to begin with.

What does pre-pandemic gdp look like?

[Disco Missile 456]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

What does pre-pandemic gdp look like?

Like yesterday's news?

It's essentially the same, but even if it was markedly different, it would only serve to demonstrate that the economy of the southeast is resilient and vibrant in ways that the economies of states and regions diminished by the pandemic are not. 

[sidis 9754]

19 hours ago, Disco Missile said:

Your source data is wrong.

The Southeast is the #1 region in the US by GDP according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The Southeastern US accounts for over 20% of national GDP.
The Southeast is also the fastest growing region, both by GDP and by population.
The population of the states comprising "SEC country" is the largest among all conferences, followed closely by the ACC (which has more mid-Atlantic states), and both of those conferences are far ahead of the rest of the pack.

 

lol.  jesus christ.  the "southeast" is eleven fucking states.  the next highest bundled region is six.  southwest is four states.  and your own data source does not support you on it being the fastest growing region by gdp.

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It's essentially the same, but even if it was markedly different, it would only serve to demonstrate that the economy of the southeast is resilient and vibrant in ways that the economies of states and regions diminished by the pandemic are not. 

the 2020 decrease in gdp for the southeast was -3.2. of the 8 regions, this puts it at 5th out of 8 in terms of weathering the negative impact of the pandemic.  it is no more "resilient" than other regions and was diminished more than others.  in terms of growth in 2021, based on the data in your link, it was right at the average in q1, below average in q2, and just above average in q3. your data does not support your conclusions that it is the fastest growing region by gdp.

Edited January 17, 2022 by sidis

[Huckleberry 32703]

1 minute ago, sidis said:

lol.  jesus christ.  the "southeast" is eleven fucking states.  the next highest bundled region is six.  southwest is four states. 

Yeah, that took about 5 seconds to see.

Hey guys, you're wrong, California doesn't have a really high GDP. Check this analysis out where it shows that out of the two groups, States Not Named California have over 5 times the GDP that States Named California have.

[nnm 36100]

14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yeah, that took about 5 seconds to see.

Hey guys, you're wrong, California doesn't have a really high GDP. Check this analysis out where it shows that out of the two groups, States Not Named California have over 5 times the GDP that States Named California have.

Now do Mississippi. And Alabama. Hell, do all the SECX3 states except GA and FLA. 

[Disco Missile 456]

54 minutes ago, sidis said:

lol.  jesus christ.  the "southeast" is eleven fucking states.  the next highest bundled region is six.  southwest is four states.  and your own data source does not support you on it being the fastest growing region by gdp.

the 2020 decrease in gdp for the southeast was -3.2. of the 8 regions, this puts it at 5th out of 8 in terms of weathering the negative impact of the pandemic.  it is no more "resilient" than other regions and was diminished more than others.  in terms of growth in 2021, based on the data in your link, it was right at the average in q1, below average in q2, and just above average in q3. your data does not support your conclusions that it is the fastest growing region by gdp.

The BEA bundled the states into regions, not me. I recommend sending them a strongly worded letter, and remind them that your taxes pay their salaries.

The original comment was that the southeast is a poor region with a small population. It's not.
Bundle it however you want. The states comprising the SEC - including Texas and Oklahoma - are responsible for more than, what, 25% of GDP? And over 30% of the population?

 

51 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Hey guys, you're wrong, California doesn't have a really high GDP. Check this analysis out where it shows that out of the two groups, States Not Named California have over 5 times the GDP that States Named California have.

California is nearly the entire western seaboard by itself! Large seaports contribute enormously to GDP. 
But as I said, California is a dubious football market. They can barely hang onto their pro teams, and outside of USC and the Rose Bowl there is no major college football presence. 
ESPN would love to get California eyes and dollars, but unless USC becomes a perennial power again, it's not going to happen.

[sidis 9754]

3 minutes ago, Disco Missile said:

The BEA bundled the states into regions, not me. I recommend sending them a strongly worded letter, and remind them that your taxes pay their salaries.

The original comment was that the southeast is a poor region with a small population. It's not.
Bundle it however you want. The states comprising the SEC - including Texas and Oklahoma - are responsible for more than, what, 25% of GDP? And over 30% of the population?

i have no problem with how they bundled them.  of course, i wouldn't use a dataset that bundled north carolina and virginia as the third and fourth largest gdp states in the group to try and say that the SEC should be targeted because of its economic prosperity.  actually, i probably wouldn't use its arbitrary bundling to make any point.  but if i did, i would make sure that my conclusions that i espoused publicly were actually supported by the data i cited. 

[notre dame joe 172]

Yeah but people moved to the SE to get out of the snow...

[Nivek 16859]

On 1/17/2022 at 1:51 PM, Disco Missile said:

The BEA bundled the states into regions, not me. I recommend sending them a strongly worded letter, and remind them that your taxes pay their salaries.

The original comment was that the southeast is a poor region with a small population. It's not.
Bundle it however you want. The states comprising the SEC - including Texas and Oklahoma - are responsible for more than, what, 25% of GDP? And over 30% of the population?

 

California is nearly the entire western seaboard by itself! Large seaports contribute enormously to GDP. 
But as I said, California is a dubious football market. They can barely hang onto their pro teams, and outside of USC and the Rose Bowl there is no major college football presence. 
ESPN would love to get California eyes and dollars, but unless USC becomes a perennial power again, it's not going to happen.

And yet the state produces some of the most talented high school players.   CA is full of plenty of talent and fans that give a shit.  But the difference is they have options.  When Texas sucked in the 90s, the fans were not exactly packing it in and wearing orange.   

[nnm 36100]

On 1/17/2022 at 1:51 PM, Disco Missile said:

The BEA bundled the states into regions, not me. I recommend sending them a strongly worded letter, and remind them that your taxes pay their salaries.

The original comment was that the southeast is a poor region with a small population. It's not.
Bundle it however you want. The states comprising the SEC - including Texas and Oklahoma - are responsible for more than, what, 25% of GDP? And over 30% of the population?

 

California is nearly the entire western seaboard by itself! Large seaports contribute enormously to GDP. 
But as I said, California is a dubious football market. They can barely hang onto their pro teams, and outside of USC and the Rose Bowl there is no major college football presence. 
ESPN would love to get California eyes and dollars, but unless USC becomes a perennial power again, it's not going to happen.

I made the comment that the southeast is a sparsely populated, poor region. Although I was overbroad in that parts of Tennessee, Florida and Georgia have done well (and I guess you’re lumping Texas in there), my point stands.  

ESPN has let CFB become a regional sport, with the center of power in Alabama, with the surrounding states of Mississippi, La, Arkansas, and rural Fla, Ga, and TN rounding it out. Those are poor, sparsely populated areas. Don’t point at Miami or Orlando or Atlanta as centers of CFB rabid fandom. They’re not. They’re the same type of large metro areas that don’t care, like Los Angeles, Boston, or Austin for that matter. Florida as a whole doesn’t care any more about CFB than CA does. 
 

CFB is becoming a niche sport, with its poster fans being hicks from backwoods places in the SE. (hmmm—what program in Texas resembles that description?). That’s not good for the sport. 
 

If Mouse would pump up the story lines of the P12 as much as it does the SECX3, they’d have a sustainable fan base in plenty of areas in the west. But they don’t. So we have what we have. A niche sport, with a 4-team invitational, that most areas of the country have stopped caring about. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

20 hours ago, Nivek said:

And yet the state produces some of the most talented high school players.   CA is full of plenty of talent and fans that give a shit.  But the difference is they have options.  When Texas sucked in the 90s, the fans were not exactly packing it in and wearing orange.   

They do produce lots of talent, and still have a generally apathetic football fan base.  The Southeast is still the epicenter of CFB talent. That there are so many things to do in Ca. as opposed to the (blue-collar) Southeast also factors in to why.

[Guest]

So we've moved from "it's the same teams over and over" to an economic breakdown of the United States GDP as the reason for apathy and boredom with college football. People are literally talking about the BEA.

This site is something else.

[mdleast 8262]

For you haters:

[bullet 1596]

6 hours ago, nnm said:

I made the comment that the southeast is a sparsely populated, poor region. Although I was overbroad in that parts of Tennessee, Florida and Georgia have done well (and I guess you’re lumping Texas in there), my point stands.  

ESPN has let CFB become a regional sport, with the center of power in Alabama, with the surrounding states of Mississippi, La, Arkansas, and rural Fla, Ga, and TN rounding it out. Those are poor, sparsely populated areas. Don’t point at Miami or Orlando or Atlanta as centers of CFB rabid fandom. They’re not. They’re the same type of large metro areas that don’t care, like Los Angeles, Boston, or Austin for that matter. Florida as a whole doesn’t care any more about CFB than CA does. 
 

CFB is becoming a niche sport, with its poster fans being hicks from backwoods places in the SE. (hmmm—what program in Texas resembles that description?). That’s not good for the sport. 
 

If Mouse would pump up the story lines of the P12 as much as it does the SECX3, they’d have a sustainable fan base in plenty of areas in the west. But they don’t. So we have what we have. A niche sport, with a 4-team invitational, that most areas of the country have stopped caring about. 

Wrong.  Atlanta and Orlando (and Birmingham and Austin) are among the best markets in the country for college football.  Houston and Dallas are very good as well.