The Climate thread

[Willfully Horn 8014]

7 hours ago, brakeman said:

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20397]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[C-Man 27222]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's nothing. It was 110 degrees at DFW yesterday, bettering the record for 9/8 by 10 fucking degrees!

We had three 110+ days this year. I believe we had one day under 100 in July this summer and August was almost as bad. We had the third or fourth-most 100+ degree days of all time but I'm pretty sure we had more 105+ days than any other year maybe other than 1980. Also, August was the hottest average temperature month in DFW ever at almost 90 degrees.

[DaysOff 7948]

We have a new procedure not to retract the flaps fully when we land where it's greater than 104 F to cool things off in there, or we get a WINGBODY OVERHEAT caution because the airplane THINKS it's on FUCKING FIRE.

Totally fine

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

That's nothing. It was 110 degrees at DFW yesterday, bettering the record for 9/8 by 10 fucking degrees!

We had three 110+ days this year. I believe we had one day under 100 in July this summer and August was almost as bad. We had the third or fourth-most 100+ degree days of all time but I'm pretty sure we had more 105+ days than any other year maybe other than 1980. Also, August was the hottest average temperature month in DFW ever at almost 90 degrees.

That’s only the hottest day in September in DFW so far. It’s going to get worse. 

[C-Man 27222]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

That’s only the hottest day in September in DFW so far. It’s going to get worse. 

I think we are past the 100-degree days.  It saying we won’t have some high 90’s but sadly, those have been so far and few in between that they’ve seemed reasonably pleasant.

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

On 9/8/2023 at 7:44 AM, RomaVicta said:

Rush hour traffic in Austin.

Hey, we're all going in the same direction at the same time. I've go an idea! Let's all buy separate vehicles with engines powerful enough to hurl us down the road at 120 mph! We can look at that big number while we're creeping along at 3 mph! We can listen to the motor's idle rumble as it generates exhaust!

We'll give special yellow dots to those wise enough to be travelling to an office job in a heavy pickup truck or SUV. They put out splendid amounts of exhaust! 

When the guy on the radio tells us there's another referendum for rail service, we'll laugh and scoff because taking a train will be so much more inconvenient than spending an hour in the ol' Silverado traveling 15 miles. Rail is a terrible and expensive idea. That's why nobody uses them in Europe or New York or anywhere.

Nope. We'll just keep on keepin' on. These SUVs will make pretty good shelters from Sun radiation for those people trying to survive the cataclysm we're causing. Too bad for them. LOL!

 

Idiot World Lived Large

And as I sit here idling in my big gas guzzler belching poisons and greenhouse gases into the air, I’m gonna get real mad if I see anyone toss a cigarette butt out their window. That motherfucker should die because I care so much about the environment. 

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

A bit of provincialism in this headline because there’s no such thing as a global summer. When it’s summer in the northern hemisphere, of course, it’s winter south of the equator. And the time period described is technically late spring to late summer. But during our “summer” months this year (June, July, and August), global temps were the highest on record. By a large margin.

https://climate.copernicus.eu/summer-2023-hottest-record

It was also the warmest August on record globally. Here are graphs for surface air and sea temps.

[brakeman 28363]

Washed out to sea like a sandcastle.

[Hmbre97 6308]

On 9/10/2023 at 7:50 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

 

 

If only they'd stop paving the ocean with all that concrete

[brakeman 28363]

 

[brakeman 28363]

[brakeman 28363]

 

[Bookman 4639]

I can't watch any more footage from Libya. It's just too sad.

[Bozo_Casanova 26452]

On 9/12/2023 at 9:52 PM, Hmbre97 said:

 

If only they'd stop paving the ocean with all that concrete

Camp Mabry's a lot bigger than people think.

[YChang 3443]

A glimpse into what our cities may have to do in the future, "How to Cool Down a City."

Edited September 18, 2023 by YChang

[TexasEd 8066]

People still denying climate change are morons.

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 minute ago, TexasEd said:

People still denying climate change are morons.

Apparently a lot of them went to the University of Texas in the DT

[TexasEd 8066]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Apparently a lot of them went to the University of Texas in the DT

They live through the record heat this year, bigger and bigger Hurricanes, more tornadoes and the crazy winter storms over the last three years and deny it.  If their dicks were on fire when they pissed they would probably deny having the clap too.

 

 

[Post Oak 20213]

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Joe just announced the formation of the Climate Corps.  Will give 20k young people training they need to access green jobs.

 

[YChang 3443]

Love this concept

[elfenix 34238]

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Joe just announced the formation of the Climate Corps.  Will give 20k young people training they need to access green jobs.
 

Paxton lawsuit incoming

[hookem2010 2624]

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

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Joe just announced the formation of the Climate Corps.  Will give 20k young people training they need to access green jobs.

 

I doubt this will benefit a middle-ager like me(how did this happen!?!?), but as someone trying to break into a career working in/for the natural environment, that's awesome to see. There should be a lot more stuff like this out there.

Edited September 20, 2023 by hookem2010

[Biff Tannen 45682]

1 minute ago, hookem2010 said:

I doubt this will benefit a middle-ager like myself (how did this happen!?!?), but as someone trying to break into a career working in/for the natural environment, that's awesome to see.

That’s very annoying actually. I would love to be a part of something like this. 

[mchookem 16334]

just sent that link to my niece... she's graduating college next year and had wanted to work in the NPS... but she did an internship in Vermont this summer where they, also, experienced a 100 year climate event (massive historic flooding) to the point they had to be evacuated from their base camp and half their crews had to quit bc they live in VT and their own homes were damaged/destroyed.

she has been pretty disheartened about the whole thing and it really effected her enthusiasm for natural work... maybe this will give her a little hope and redirection. i told her at least somebody is trying to do something. 

it's pretty hard to try and say the right thing to keep these kids spirits up and moving forward positively in their young lives... when i myself often feel like 'fuck it' 😒

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26452]

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

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Joe just announced the formation of the Climate Corps.  Will give 20k young people training they need to access green jobs.

 

 

57 minutes ago, YChang said:

Love this concept

Me too - I've thought for a long time that the shoudl bring back the Civilian Conservation Corps. If this is anything like that, I love it. 

[mchookem 16334]

it is... my niece replied and said they were just talking about this in class today and it's a spinoff of the CCC.

then she said 'my man, FDR, still doing his thing!' haha i love her 😊

[Biff Tannen 45682]

I adore the CCC.  I love seeing all the buildings they made and the trees they planted.   Three billion trees.  One half of the entire reforestation in US history.

[Foosters 17856]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

2 hours ago, Post Oak said:

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Joe just announced the formation of the Climate Corps.  Will give 20k young people training they need to access green jobs.
 

Paxton lawsuit incoming

Judge Hanen will find this unconstitutional

[SimonBolivar 10958]

The CCC? You mean that damned Communist Cuck Campfire in the 30s? 

[brakeman 28363]

Climate terrorism.

Edited September 22, 2023 by brakeman

[Biff Tannen 45682]

God fucking dammit.

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

Death penalty for eco-terrorists. Offer a huge reward for information leading to their capture and conviction. Someone will flip. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26452]

On 9/20/2023 at 3:14 PM, Biff Tannen said:

I adore the CCC.  I love seeing all the buildings they made and the trees they planted.   Three billion trees.  One half of the entire reforestation in US history.

My Grandfather was with the CCC in New Mexico as a teen during the depression. They lived in camps and worked on the parks all day, and at his camp they would have boxing matches, fighting on a platform of bare boards. He lean and tough and one of 8 boys out of 11 kids, so he was pretty good at throwing hands, but in one match tripped on an uneven board, fell on his face, and broke his jaw (according to him).  
Before the CCC my grandfather grew up as a sharecropper, picking cotton from a very young age, in the bright sun, all day. And of course he was in the sun all day in New Mexico as well. When he was examined at the hospital a doctor saw that he had a great multitude of small skin cancers, and so he spent several weeks there recovering from the broken jaw with his jaw wired shut and having cancers removed. It probably saved his life, or at least gave him an extension. 
He went on to fight in WWII, serving in France and the 3 borders region during he Battle of the Bulge, and died in 2021 about 1 month after his 100th birthday. 
With skin cancer. 

[jimmyjazz 45920]

An acquaintance from HS posted this on Facebook today:

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The thing about the billionaires telling us to reduce carbon emissions for the fake global warming nonsense, is that they certainly don’t believe in global warming. If they did, they wouldn’t have mansions, super yachts or fly to the office in private helicopters. It’s all nonsense look at what they do not the lies they tell every time they open their mouths:

I made a snarky comment, mentioning actual science, and this was his response:

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because the science I see is quite clear it’s nothing more than a cash and control grab. I respect that you feel differently. But take a look at what the billionaires and elites do. They obviously don’t believe it’s real or they would not live as they do. Hilariously that absolute fraud and kept con man John Kerry is pointing to China as the green standard. However China and India are basically paving their lakes with coal fired power plants. AND they’re exempt from climate accords. Again if our leaders believed in any of this nonsense they wouldn’t allow that.

 

Right now we are at the end of a solar maximum of a little over a decade. We are also entering an El Niño. Two things that have since creation driven temperatures and extreme weather. Humans have nothing do do with those. But expect to hear our elites babble about the weather from the decks of their yachts as they board their private helicopters.

 

Respectfully how can you believe them? 

What is this obsession with "billionaires" and "elites"?  I hear it all the time now.  The behavior of a few ultra-wealthy American oligarchs hardly disproves the science.  I can't imagine being so disconnected from reality that this seems like evidence overcoming . . . you know . . . measurements and shit.

[miguelito 11264]

Ask him if he would - therefore - be OK taxing the shit out of the rich.  Or something.  Just to see him get confused.

[Sbbruin 21850]

El Nino he says?

[Bozo_Casanova 26452]

15 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

An acquaintance from HS posted this on Facebook

did you go to high school in Pampa?

[troph 24791]

billionares are just humans who have perfected hypocrisy, but we all do it. NO MORE SINGLE USE PLASTIC!!! yesterday alone, bacon packaging, lunch at a client meeting with plastic fork and knife (not my choosing but I used them),  bottle of cold press juice for breakfast, lid on a starbucks coffee (we were out of coffee yesterday morning), I took a piece of chewing gum out of a single use plastic container, shit I could probably go on and one and this is through noon.  REDUCE METHANE PRODUCTION!!! yet I throw away most food scraps (septic) and I'm too lazy to compost. REDUCE ICE EMISSIONS!!! yeah I do better than most, and use solar for 80% of my electricity and to recharge my electric car, but we have ICE cars and I'm about to buy a used ICE truck for my son and we fly on the reg. I buy carbon offsets with a solid company that funds meaningful projects to reduce climate change gasses but come on, I try but not enough. there's hypocrisy in that, just messy and not 100% disgusting like the private jet crowd. but it's still there, it's there for all of us. 

in the end, we need governments to legislate and fund and market innovation to take advantage of opportunity including those created by government to save the planet and we are going to have to pull carbon out of the air, there's no two ways about it. we will never be carbon zero.

Edited September 26, 2023 by troph

[Neonmoon 38129]

26 minutes ago, troph said:

bacon packaging

Tell me more about this packaging made out of bacon

[Biff Tannen 45682]

48 minutes ago, troph said:

billionares are just humans who have perfected hypocrisy, but we all do it. NO MORE SINGLE USE PLASTIC!!! yesterday alone, bacon packaging, lunch at a client meeting with plastic fork and knife (not my choosing but I used them),  bottle of cold press juice for breakfast, lid on a starbucks coffee (we were out of coffee yesterday morning), I took a piece of chewing gum out of a single use plastic container, shit I could probably go on and one and this is through noon.  REDUCE METHANE PRODUCTION!!! yet I throw away most food scraps (septic) and I'm too lazy to compost. REDUCE ICE EMISSIONS!!! yeah I do better than most, and use solar for 80% of my electricity and to recharge my electric car, but we have ICE cars and I'm about to buy a used ICE truck for my son and we fly on the reg. I buy carbon offsets with a solid company that funds meaningful projects to reduce climate change gasses but come on, I try but not enough. there's hypocrisy in that, just messy and not 100% disgusting like the private jet crowd. but it's still there, it's there for all of us. 

in the end, we need governments to legislate and fund and market innovation to take advantage of opportunity including those created by government to save the planet and we are going to have to pull carbon out of the air, there's no two ways about it. we will never be carbon zero.

Finding out we had been lied to for 30 years about plastic recycling was a fucking gut punch.  We are so far down the plastic path, I don't see a way back.  

That said, small changes by individuals add up dramatically once you scale it.  Changing our food habits is absolutely something that is necessary if we really want to reduce emissions.  CAFOs are a fucking horrendous innovation in agriculture in the past 50 years.  Those need to be stopped.  But all of this REQUIRES government intervention.  People WILL NOT do this on their own.  

Use carrots, not sticks, at first, but sticks if necessary down the line.

[Neonmoon 38129]

https://news.yahoo.com/antarctic-sea-ice-hits-record-094412722.html

I'm sure this is fine

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Sea ice encircling Antarctica has reached unprecedented low levels this winter, a preliminary analysis of US satellite data shows in yet another dubious record broken this year in the South Pole.

As the southern hemisphere transitions into spring, Antarctic sea ice reached only a maximum size of 16.96 million sq km (6.55 million sq miles) by 10 September, Nasa and the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) said on Monday.

That is the lowest winter maximum since satellite records began in 1979, the NSIDC said, and about 1 million sq km less ice than the previous winter record set in 1986.

This comes after the summer Antarctic sea ice extent also hit a record low in February this year, breaking the previous mark set in 2022.

 

[jimmyjazz 45920]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

did you go to high school in Pampa?

Not that I know of.

[troph 24791]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Finding out we had been lied to for 30 years about plastic recycling was a fucking gut punch.  We are so far down the plastic path, I don't see a way back.  

That said, small changes by individuals add up dramatically once you scale it.  Changing our food habits is absolutely something that is necessary if we really want to reduce emissions.  CAFOs are a fucking horrendous innovation in agriculture in the past 50 years.  Those need to be stopped.  But all of this REQUIRES government intervention.  People WILL NOT do this on their own.  

Use carrots, not sticks, at first, but sticks if necessary down the line.

the plastic issue isn't global warming per se but i've had enough of ocean pollution for the love of fucking god.

this year we started taking advantage of H-E-B's plastic bag program:  https://ourtexasourfuture.com/plastic-bag-recycling/

family of four we are down to 2 bags of trash per week and our large trash can is usually fairly empty.

If we can compost our food scraps we might get down to 1 bag per week.

we do have quite a bit of plastic recycling but we are trying really hard to buy aluminum, paper and glass in lieu of plastic where we can. you can get better at it, but it's still really hard. 

We can demand governments do more, but business too. Rare occasion that we would go to a place like FireBowl for fast serve food but they are 100% single use paper and plastic for even sit down meals. Yeah, never again. I also praise restaurants that don't offer single use plastic utensils or offer paper to go containers. 

 

[troph 24791]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Tell me more about this packaging made out of bacon

1970's alternative bacon product, it was a disaster.

[troph 24791]

In a board meeting, 25 or so people, 17 people are using single use plastic for drinks, only 3 of us with permanent containers. plastic use is pervasive and shockingly bad. 

[InkaUtexas 25920]

wait until they call in the BBQ lunch with tons of diet sodas. 

 

[wild_turkey 3159]

we do have quite a bit of plastic recycling but we are trying really hard to buy aluminum, paper and glass in lieu of plastic where we can. you can get better at it, but it's still really hard. 

Honest question - do we know for sure that aluminum and glass are significantly better? Just for simplicity, if you are choosing between a Coke in a plastic bottle and a Coke in a can, is the can actually a “good” choice from an environmental standpoint, or merely a “less bad” choice? What is the actual impact of that can, both from a manufacturing standpoint and a recycling/disposal standpoint?

I have a lot of plastic guilt, which definitely influences my purchasing habits, but like you said, it’s impossible to completely get away from it. I also struggle with knowing if my alternative purchasing options are truly better, and it seems like industry wants to make this intentionally confusing, or completely distract consumers from the topic.

[bolverk 29671]

1 hour ago, wild_turkey said:

 

Honest question - do we know for sure that aluminum and glass are significantly better? Just for simplicity, if you are choosing between a Coke in a plastic bottle and a Coke in a can, is the can actually a “good” choice from an environmental standpoint, or merely a “less bad” choice? What is the actual impact of that can, both from a manufacturing standpoint and a recycling/disposal standpoint?

I have a lot of plastic guilt, which definitely influences my purchasing habits, but like you said, it’s impossible to completely get away from it. I also struggle with knowing if my alternative purchasing options are truly better, and it seems like industry wants to make this intentionally confusing, or completely distract consumers from the topic.

 

Glass and metals are 100% recyclable.

Plastics/polymers are not, and they can also leach chemicals into our food, landfills, and what-have-you. They can also be cancerous or mimic hormones that have ill side effects on the human body.

[jimmyjazz 45920]

The question is how much of recycled materials actually get recycled.