The Climate thread

[Willfully Horn 8046]

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper.  Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

Edited April 25 by Willfully Horn

[Mo Horn 8853]

5 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper. Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

Cabrito asada FTMFW

[Biff Tannen 45712]

7 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper.  Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

Pshh.  Sounds like something the Goat Meat Lobby would say.

[Willfully Horn 8046]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

Cabrito asada FTMFW

No argument. I’m promoting burgers, because, well, burgers.

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Pshh.  Sounds like something the Goat Meat Lobby would say.

Ineptly. Sadly.

[mooseoutfront 3643]

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

[DigglerontheHoof 21214]

4 minutes ago, mooseoutfront said:

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

I live in the DFW area and bird hunt but that's about it.  I haven't been deer hunting since my dad died in 2000.  Plus, the only way I like venison is deep-fried backstrap medallions.  I'm pretty sure ranchers would frown on me shooting their cattle. 

[YChang 3462]

37 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 

I won't say no to a good goat curry

[troph 24905]

3 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

Fishing is complicated, there’s not a fresh water catch at least in the continental 48 that I would consider eating at this point. Even Rocky Mountain trout is laced with high concentrations of PFAS. It’s really demoralizing. 
 

[BevoAbyss 2078]

Born and raised in Texas, with a mom who grew up on farm/ranch. That meant meals with meat! 

Grew up having BBQ on many Friday nights, as my young parents loved to chill out at a "BBQ joint" with a jukebox, great BBQ, and good fresh iced tea.

As for Saturdays in the burbs, my das grilled T-Bone Steaks most of the time. Many, my dad loved to grill, chill, have a drink (tea or mixed drink), and smoke his pipe! By the time I was 15 or so, my dad sometimes let me have a mixed drink: usually gin & tonic or a margarita. Depended on good grades!  

Sundays, my mom loved making a Pot Roast that would last for several meals, including roast sandwiches to take to school.

When I went to UT, my meat cravings were satisfied by fajitas at Chuy's by the river and Trudy's North Star, near campus. 

Over the years, I have reduced my red meat consumption dramatically, but it has not been easy. Chicken, seafood. And "Beyond Burgers" has really helped!

But, my brother and I were spoiled by the Texas middle class meat utopia! 

Edited April 25 by BevoAbyss

[safe sex 11746]

2 hours ago, troph said:

Fishing is complicated, there’s not a fresh water catch at least in the continental 48 that I would consider eating at this point.

Maybe it's time I get a new job. Totally read that as "fisting is complicated..."

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 minute ago, safe sex said:

Totally read that as "fisting is complicated..."

[safe sex 11746]

Just a few rules to keep straight. Fisting is not rocket science

[staboner 4984]

18 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let’s stop beating around the bush and have some people admit that they either don’t understand or don’t give a shit that the continued cultivation of cows (especially), pigs, chickens, and other livestock is decimating our environment. DECIMATING.  
 

Yeah, I love steak too man. Burgers are good. Chicken wings are a staple!  I get it. BUT. Just take it down a notch. No one has a knife to your throat saying you have to eat tempeh 6 days a week and you have to go to Whole Foods to buy kale to shove in your wife’s pussy before you can fuck it. Though I am open minded. 
 

My point is “eh, I don’t really want to go to plant based or lab grown meat because it’s weird” is a stupid and fucked up argument. It’s a moral imperative to stop eating that shit all the time. And the alternatives already taste good and are only going to get better. 
 

Eat up buttercups!  The next step if you don’t is fucking Soylent green. 

great post, and I agree 100%. Livestock is just not sustainable at current levels. I made the switch long ago to fish, chicken and the occasional pork chop / steak, like maybe once a month at most. Its healthier as well. Fish is costly, but I get a nice piece of salmon in daily, and all the good fats that come with it. 

Honestly, covid also got to me in terms of the industrialization of livestock. Its a fucking ticking time bomb for disease. Unreal that we think its ok to treat mother nature with so much disdain and she would never fight back. 

[South Austin 52568]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Fisting is not rocket science

True.

[safe sex 11746]

Smh, #1 rule being broken right away

[troph 24905]

You shove an empty pringles can up in there? Mother of god I had no idea.  
 

btw did someone call their wife “it” up above? 

this world is coming to an end, kale and empty pringles cans up vajayjays. WTF is next?

don’t answer that. 

Edited April 26 by troph

[Willfully Horn 8046]

3 hours ago, staboner said:

Honestly, covid also got to me in terms of the industrialization of livestock. Its a fucking ticking time bomb for disease. Unreal that we think its ok to treat mother nature with so much disdain and she would never fight back. 

Look into alpha-gal syndrome; it might be her opening salvo.

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

7 hours ago, troph said:

You shove an empty pringles can up in there? Mother of god I had no idea.  

That’s not how fisting works. I think you’re missing the concept. 

[Sawbonz 27584]

7 hours ago, safe sex said:

Smh, #1 rule being broken right away

No salt?

[Bozo_Casanova 26522]

On 4/25/2024 at 1:14 AM, Biff Tannen said:

No one has a knife to your throat saying you have to eat tempeh 6 days a week and you have to go to Whole Foods to buy kale to shove in your wife’s pussy before you can fuck it.

Topical:

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26522]

17 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. I shoot but I don’t hunt, because I don’t enjoy taking life. Nevertheless, I’m getting to a point in life where ethically I think I would feel more comfortable doing that than I am with industrial scale meat.

[Bozo_Casanova 26522]

7 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Look into alpha-gal syndrome; it might be her opening salvo.

Yep. Oh, and this is probably fine:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/1-5-us-retail-milk-samples-test-positive-h5n1-avian-flu-fragments

 

[troph 24905]

25 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. I shoot but I don’t hunt, because I don’t enjoy taking life. Nevertheless, I’m getting to a point in life where ethically I think I would feel more comfortable doing that than I am with industrial scale meat.

It would at least bring the emotional cost of eating meat - taking a life - to the forefront.  I don’t particularly enjoy venison but I’ve only had it a few times. I guess raising a cow is possible too but only with land.

I don’t particularly have an issue with killing cattle or pigs they are fully domesticated and only have life due to their food potential for humans. I think the methods of raising and slaughtering are some of the worst evidence regarding the cruelty of humans and for profit motivation though.

[safe sex 11746]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

No salt?

Wear a fucking glove!

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

This is only tangential to the climate issue but The Omnivore’s Dilemma by Michael Pollan is a worthwhile read.

 

A couple of the meals address the contrast between “industrial organic” and a more natural, holistic approach to organic farming. (I’m sure I could phrase that better if I had more time.) The final meal is all sourced by hunting and gathering. (The first meal was fast food.)

[Biff Tannen 45712]

4 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

It's a cultural thing for a lot of people (e.g. Italians

Absolutely.  My wife is 2nd generation Italian-American and she's the reason I appreciate food as much as I do now.  When you go to Italy, they cherish the food and it is grown/raised in sustainable ways.  They use mostly local ingredients and, while they eat meat, it's not the staple of the meal in most instances.

We are talking mainly about an American problem.  Our broad view of food and the food industry is completely fucked compared to many other countries.  It is not sustainable, healthy, or good for society in general.  

[Brisketexan 105275]

“Chicken tamales.”

Pinche gringos…

[Biff Tannen 45712]

2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

I made a short story long here, but the point I'm trying to drive home is: food is a part of culture and culture is acted upon and experienced by and in and around people, and people make up regional populations and so disrupting that will take a lot more than just meeting the bar; it will have to go above and beyond the status quo. Fake meat and inferior substitues will have to not only be "as good" but much, much better to catch on.

In the absence of that, regulation will need to occur to change behavior IMO.

I think you're right.  And I think because of this, we are fucked.  Not just because of unsustainable food practices, but our unsustainable way of life in general.  

[RomaVicta 29970]

Sadly, there is an aspect of meat consumption statistics that nobody seems to want to talk about. People don't want to give up much meat consumption, but they'll want to give up this even less:

UCLA Institute of the Environment and Sustainability

We're a pet-crazy nation. I like dogs and cats. The resources going to them and the damage they do is nuts. 

Stop acquiring new pets. When your beloved dog dies. Mourn it. Don't replace it. You can live without a new one just like you can live without a giant pick up truck and 20% of the meat you now consume. 

Or, people can keep doing what they're doing and pass some more consequences the the young. 

It's not a difficult guess about which way the Americans will go. We've been very consistent in our choices.

[Biff Tannen 45712]

33 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Sadly, there is an aspect of meat consumption statistics that nobody seems to want to talk about. People don't want to give up much meat consumption, but they'll want to give up this even less:

UCLA Institute of the Environment and Sustainability

We're a pet-crazy nation. I like dogs and cats. The resources going to them and the damage they do is nuts. 

Stop acquiring new pets. When your beloved dog dies. Mourn it. Don't replace it. You can live without a new one just like you can live without a giant pick up truck and 20% of the meat you now consume. 

Or, people can keep doing what they're doing and pass some more consequences the the young. 

It's not a difficult guess about which way the Americans will go. We've been very consistent in our choices.

This is interesting data that I’ve honestly not thought about. However, I would also say that dogs and cats are going to keep breeding even if we “stop replacing them”, as was your suggestion. I think Bob Barker had a much better solution. 
 

Or  maybe people should stop having kids too. 

Edited April 27 by Biff Tannen
Also, dogs and cats are carnivores, whereas humans are omnivores. So not apples to apples.

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Sadly, there is an aspect of meat consumption statistics that nobody seems to want to talk about. People don't want to give up much meat consumption, but they'll want to give up this even less:

UCLA Institute of the Environment and Sustainability

We're a pet-crazy nation. I like dogs and cats. The resources going to them and the damage they do is nuts. 

Stop acquiring new pets. When your beloved dog dies. Mourn it. Don't replace it. You can live without a new one just like you can live without a giant pick up truck and 20% of the meat you now consume. 

Or, people can keep doing what they're doing and pass some more consequences the the young. 

It's not a difficult guess about which way the Americans will go. We've been very consistent in our choices.

I’d rather get rid of all people before giving up my dog. 

[jimmyjazz 46099]

I love my old dog -- love my young dog, too -- but I'm hoping the older one passes peacefully soon.  She's slowed down to a crawl, is clearly not comfortable, but there is no specific diagnosis the vets can identify.  Such a sweet girl.  I'm feeding her whatever she likes the most at this point, including hamburgers, salmon, cheese, you name it.

[Biff Tannen 45712]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I love my old dog -- love my young dog, too -- but I'm hoping the older one passes peacefully soon.  She's slowed down to a crawl, is clearly not comfortable, but there is no specific diagnosis the vets can identify.  Such a sweet girl.  I'm feeding her whatever she likes the most at this point, including hamburgers, salmon, cheese, you name it.

Ok, no need to cross over the dog thread here.  I can only stand so much dust.

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

Sadly, there is an aspect of meat consumption statistics that nobody seems to want to talk about. People don't want to give up much meat consumption, but they'll want to give up this even less:

UCLA Institute of the Environment and Sustainability

We're a pet-crazy nation. I like dogs and cats. The resources going to them and the damage they do is nuts. 

Stop acquiring new pets. When your beloved dog dies. Mourn it. Don't replace it. You can live without a new one just like you can live without a giant pick up truck and 20% of the meat you now consume. 

Or, people can keep doing what they're doing and pass some more consequences the the young. 

It's not a difficult guess about which way the Americans will go. We've been very consistent in our choices.

We should start by banning cats. 

[Biff Tannen 45712]

10 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We should start by banning cats. 

Cats and Republicans.  I think we're off to a good start.

[troph 24905]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We should start by banning cats. 

 

[jimmyjazz 46099]

39 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We should start by banning cats. 

Hold on, what do they taste like?

EDIT:  I claim "fish"

Edited April 27 by jimmyjazz

[RomaVicta 29970]

15 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I’d rather get rid of all people before giving up my dog. 

This is a problem. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Just now, RomaVicta said:

This is a problem. 

Not to me. Make humans less shitty 

[RomaVicta 29970]

I'm sure all the people living in the climate cataclysm will understand. 

We should curtail child births, but the DNA won't allow it. That's something nobody can stop.

We could take bolder steps regarding cars and mass transit, but it's too costly and inconvenient.

We could make owning a new pet extremely expensive through licensing, but dogs are great.

We're spoiled. We don't want to do anything that changes our status quo.

I'm not doing a lot myself. I don't eat nearly as much beef as I did, I'm careful with water (not a climate thing, but I need enough stuff for another comma), and I'm about to buy a car that gets twice as much MPG as our current main vehicle. Electric is impossible where we live.

We will be hated. Rightfully despised. I cannot be satisfied to shrug my shoulders and do absolutely nothing.

We don't listen, either.

[jimmyjazz 46099]

Speaking of dogs and The Far Side:

[hookem2010 2625]

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm sure all the people living in the climate cataclysm will understand. 

We should curtail child births, but the DNA won't allow it. That's something nobody can stop.

We could take bolder steps regarding cars and mass transit, but it's too costly and inconvenient.

We could make owning a new pet extremely expensive through licensing, but dogs are great.

We're spoiled. We don't want to do anything that changes our status quo.

I'm not doing a lot myself. I don't eat nearly as much beef as I did, I'm careful with water (not a climate thing, but I need enough stuff for another comma), and I'm about to buy a car that gets twice as much MPG as our current main vehicle. Electric is impossible where we live.

We will be hated. Rightfully despised. I cannot be satisfied to shrug my shoulders and do absolutely nothing.

We don't listen, either.

We've chose the FAFO approach. It's a bold strategy. I've become quite the curmudgeon about basically everything, although I've learned to keep most of my thoughts in my head to prevent everyone around me from being miserable.

My inner monologue goes something like "Do we really need another strip center? Why are there so many giant goddamn pickup trucks? What is the purpose of planting a bunch of non-native grass just to pay people to use gas-chugging mowers and weedeaters to cut it every week? Why is there so much shit in my own house? Does everything need to come in plastic? Why are we all getting a bunch of bullshit delivered to our front door in 3 extra layers of packaging? Is it so hard to have recycling bins available? Oh yea, because people can't even be trusted to walk 3 feet to throw something in a trash can when they can just leave it at there feet."

It would be nice if we as a society showed some urgency in solving any of the myriad issues contributing to climate change, but having stuff and never being inconvenienced are what we value most.

[RomaVicta 29970]

Well said.

[DigglerontheHoof 21214]

Why are my dogs bad for the environment?

[RomaVicta 29970]

See the previous page.

[troph 24905]

4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Why are my dogs bad for the environment?

Same reasons humans are bad for the environment except the dog per se isn’t the problem - we are and we have too many, we feed them meat and the dog food industry is disgusting. 
 

dogs or no dogs is not where this battle gets won. It gets won on innovation, mass migration away from carbon based energy (electricity and fuel), new and improved energy storage techniques, carbon capture and sequestration, and elimination of petroleum based plastics.  There is more but if we do that we are well on our way and our dogs keep getting belly rubs and treats.

we already have the answers for most of this, what we lack is political will. Individual will won’t get it done, as much as we each try, it’s got to be governmental and industry initiatives and mandates.

coming at people for having dogs is simply barking up the wrong tree.  

[Biff Tannen 45712]

8 minutes ago, troph said:

, it’s got to be governmental and industry initiatives and mandates.

Yup. So it ain’t gonna happen. 

[troph 24905]

22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yup. So it ain’t gonna happen. 

It’s going to happen just too late. There are changes happening just not enough. China EV adoption rate and their clean energy projects are very impressive, as an example. Europe and US initiatives are accelerating as well. Industry innovation is extremely promising. We could ban petroleum plastic bags now and go with fully biodegradable bags. There is tons of technology waiting to be relied upon. But in the end, as we humans do, we react way too late to the problem. These solutions are 20 years too late and soon to be 30-50 years too late.

Edited April 28 by troph

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

57 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

See the previous page.

Is Kristi Noem an environmentalist?

[InkaUtexas 26072]

I just spent the week talking about climate impact primarily in East Africa and the Pacific islands. I was traveling with an Australian and Kiwi for this conference. Society for International Development's annual conference. Climate was a big topic, right under governance. What surprised me was the lack of companies with innovation and technology. For instance, there are some great tools for water (irrigation and for people) that are quite effective and not as expensive as many think. They were not there. What was there were quite a few tech companies selling AI for proposals and reports. Aid companies have to do a lot of that shit (think TPS reports about Malaria) and it eats up field time. I have an issue with AI in the proposal, planning and solution development areas. I review a lot of them and I can tell what clients use AI. They go for more grants, sure, but their solutions and approach seem to be always the same. There is little in human innovation in these.

I know on this thread we talk about large sized projects (desal, solar, etc.) but there are a lot of small things that can be done. They are not easy and many times take a cultural mind change for the benefiting community. The development world is a great place to begin and test new concepts. Their need is a lot less than the average Americans. There is not any St. Augustine in Darfur, but they do need to grow food. Test these new techs and customize them for small er needs. Solar? A "home" in Kenya wants 2 light bulbs. Don't care about keeping their house at 69 degrees.

The issue I have been asked to focus on is ocean and the impact on the South Pacific islands. Yep, water is rising, but the amount of trash that floats in the pacific impacting these islands is tremendous. Bays so full local fishing is not possible. I see climate like this. Everything impacts something else. So to do these large projects we must increase the supporting infrastructure. Thinking like this sure can keep you awake at night.

Rant over. Was thinking about this thread all week and wish I could have reached out for some ideas.