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2 hours ago, troph said:

Same reasons humans are bad for the environment except the dog per se isn’t the problem - we are and we have too many, we feed them meat and the dog food industry is disgusting. 
 

dogs or no dogs is not where this battle gets won. It gets won on innovation, mass migration away from carbon based energy (electricity and fuel), new and improved energy storage techniques, carbon capture and sequestration, and elimination of petroleum based plastics.  There is more but if we do that we are well on our way and our dogs keep getting belly rubs and treats.

we already have the answers for most of this, what we lack is political will. Individual will won’t get it done, as much as we each try, it’s got to be governmental and industry initiatives and mandates.

coming at people for having dogs is simply barking up the wrong tree.  

Nobody in this country is going to do any of that until forced to. Most can't even be bothered to read your clear summary made in a digestible paragraph.

People will choose their dogs over their grandchildren. In fact, they are doing just that as well as choosing hamburgers, needlessly large vehicles, or anything else they believe they're entitled to.

Frankly, it seems like we've already impacted nature enough that we won't be able to prevent climate disaster. The melting permafrost is a gigantice problem, and there is nothing to be done about it now.

Discomfort, pain, or fear force change. By the time climate change evokes any of those, it will be too late.

I like dogs. I just don't like them above everything else. Your statement about the battle not being won by addressing the statistics quoted on the last page is not much different than saying, "Me giving up beef five days a week won't make any difference?"

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Now apply that way of thinking to other topics: You want me to stop treating minorities like shit when people in other countries can treat their minorities like shit? You want me to pay

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what a thread.   the thread i jumped on back in like 2008 or something started with a claim that the Arctic would be ice free by the summer of 2012.  this didn't happen. in fact, while 2012

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28 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Nobody in this country is going to do any of that until forced to. Most can't even be bothered to read your clear summary made in a digestible paragraph.

People will choose their dogs over their grandchildren. In fact, they are doing just that as well as choosing hamburgers, needlessly large vehicles, or anything else they believe they're entitled to.

Frankly, it seems like we've already impacted nature enough that we won't be able to prevent climate disaster. The melting permafrost is a gigantice problem, and there is nothing to be done about it now.

Discomfort, pain, or fear force change. By the time climate change evokes any of those, it will be too late.

I like dogs. I just don't like them above everything else. Your statement about the battle not being won by addressing the statistics quoted on the last page is not much different than saying, "Me giving up beef five days a week won't make any difference?"

I agree with most of your post, I just think you’re not considering all the variables in your “give up your dogs” solution. For example, I don’t have kids. I have three dogs that weigh a combined 50 pounds. You suggesting I give them up to fight climate change is asinine. Their meat consumption is far less than most. In fact, since I often don’t eat meat, and my wife never does, our household is probably below most households by a large margin. I’m not choosing my dogs over my grandchildren. Why can’t we instill a one child policy? That would cut down on meat consumption, wouldn’t it? We don’t do that because that suggestion is just as asinine. If you want to propose household meat rations, go for it. It wouldn’t bother my house one bit. We love Tofu. It’s just a little silly considering we can barely pass laws to prevent companies from pouring toxic waste into rivers. 

Climate Change will be solved by solutions already mentioned. Reduction of fossil based energy, reduction of plastics, reduction of consumption culture, and changes in food production and consumption. 

Why won’t it happen? Because humans celebrate stupidity. 

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32 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I just think you’re not considering all the variables in your “give up your dogs” solution. For example, I don’t have kids. I have three dogs that weigh a combined 50 pounds. You suggesting I give them up to fight climate change is asinine.

I never suggest such a thing. I specifically state that all current pets should carry on as they are. Acquiring new pets would be discouraged by high licensing fees or something.

Your argument for keeping pets in general is the same as not giving up eating some beef.

I've made my point. Emotions are triggered which I don't care to engage.

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30 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I never suggest such a thing. I specifically state that all current pets should carry on as they are. Acquiring new pets would be discouraged by high licensing fees or something.

Your argument for keeping pets in general is the same as not giving up eating some beef.

I've made my point. Emotions are triggered which I don't care to engage.

So what was your proposal for all of the unregulated breeding (i.e. strays) that cannot be stopped?  Poison them all?  Shoot them like Kristi Noem?

This is a dumb conversation.  Let's move on.  

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Climate Change will be solved by solutions already mentioned. Reduction of fossil based energy, reduction of plastics, reduction of consumption culture, and changes in food production and consumption. 

This is where we have to focus our efforts.  

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56 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Your argument for keeping pets in general is the same as not giving up eating some beef.

 

Reducing meat consumption is a good goal. I agree with you. Your plan to reduce meat consumption is dumb. Here’s an olive branch. Don’t you think requiring dog food to be plant based is a better solution than charge high fees for new pets?

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We should curtail child births, but the DNA won't allow it.

Well, some people have limited child births in their own lives. I know middle-aged couples and people who have no children by choice. I have no children. I made the decision long ago that getting married and raising a family was not in my skill set. No way! And it has not limited my social life at all, as I discovered there are many attractive/educated/intelligent women who are cool with the no marriage/kids scenario. I have always been right up front about it. 

Plus, having no kids has massive ecological benefits long-term, adding zero consumers on the planet. 

I have made a lot of dumb decisions in my life. But not this one.

Best decision I ever made. 

Except for attending UT, that is. 

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We will need smart people in the future. Where are they going to come from if smart people do not have kids?

My son (26) talks about this. Says he feels bad bringing a kid into a fucked up world. My reply was well he has a blue passport and that alone is a leg up.

But it is his call and I will support either way. As for me? I loved being a dad to two kick ass kids who are both devoted to finding solutions.

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Last week, a private developer's application to dam Big Canyon, a major threat to the confluence and the entire Grand Canyon region, was finally denied. The dam was first proposed in 2020.

The Big Canyon decision is a win for tribal sovereignty and reaffirms the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's commitment not to approve initial permits for hydropower projects on tribal lands without consent from the tribe whose land it is.

In denying the developer a permit, the commission noted that, "because the proposed project would be located entirely on Navajo Nation and the Nation has stated that it opposes issuance of the permit, we deny the application."

 

https://www.grandcanyontrust.org/blog/permit-denied-big-canyon-dam-near-grand-canyon

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We will need smart people in the future. Where are they going to come from if smart people do not have kids?

My son (26) talks about this. Says he feels bad bringing a kid into a fucked up world. My reply was well he has a blue passport and that alone is a leg up.

But it is his call and I will support either way. As for me? I loved being a dad to two kick ass kids who are both devoted to finding solutions.


Won't need smart people in the future if there are no people.

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On 4/26/2024 at 10:46 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Absolutely.  My wife is 2nd generation Italian-American and she's the reason I appreciate food as much as I do now.  When you go to Italy, they cherish the food and it is grown/raised in sustainable ways.  They use mostly local ingredients and, while they eat meat, it's not the staple of the meal in most instances.

Much of this is that Italy was a poor country until rapid industrialization following WW2 and much of the south still is very poor and much of its business is dependent upon the trappings of a pure culinary tradition (which arguably wasn’t invented until after WW2 as well)

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Would be nice if this could be a campaign topic at all. But in order to appease as many potential swing state voters as possible and save our democracy, climate is taking even more of a backseat than usual. 

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Would be nice if this could be a campaign topic at all. But in order to appease as many potential swing state voters as possible and save our democracy, climate is taking even more of a backseat than usual. 

It will be the number one campaign topic in a matter of years.

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Last two posts above are so damn true and sad. It will become an issue when enough are impacted and get not get their pumpkin spiced latte at will 10 minutes from their McMansion with perfect green lawns in the middle of a drought zone. it will be too late to unfuck things, and solutions will not be popular or quick to demonstrate impact, so not vote generating items.

Meanwhile, yeah, lets keep going forward as is until then. It makes me sad when my son questions if he wants to have kids or not. Climate is the #1 issue that makes him doubt it.

Fuck, now I am depressed.

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And it has not limited my social life at all, as I discovered there are many attractive/educated/intelligent women who are cool with the no marriage/kids scenario. I have always been right up front about it. 

No man is an island.  But you sound vaguely like Ibiza.

 

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23 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Last two posts above are so damn true and sad. It will become an issue when enough are impacted and get not get their pumpkin spiced latte at will 10 minutes from their McMansion with perfect green lawns in the middle of a drought zone. it will be too late to unfuck things, and solutions will not be popular or quick to demonstrate impact, so not vote generating items.

Meanwhile, yeah, lets keep going forward as is until then. It makes me sad when my son questions if he wants to have kids or not. Climate is the #1 issue that makes him doubt it.

Fuck, now I am depressed.

My kids are 2 and nearly born, so perhaps they won't remember when things weren't entirely fucked. Silver lining!

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Last two posts above are so damn true and sad. It will become an issue when enough are impacted and get not get their pumpkin spiced latte at will 10 minutes from their McMansion with perfect green lawns in the middle of a drought zone. it will be too late to unfuck things, and solutions will not be popular or quick to demonstrate impact, so not vote generating items.

Meanwhile, yeah, lets keep going forward as is until then. It makes me sad when my son questions if he wants to have kids or not. Climate is the #1 issue that makes him doubt it.

Fuck, now I am depressed.

Somehow a cure for cancer in exchange for the pending doom of climate change came up at dinner - I didn’t start it - my kids know climate change is a fact so do all of their friends and not all kids of liberals it’s just a thing they all seem to accept - and they said basically fuck a cure for cancer if we can trade it for an unfucked planet. I just can’t even understand how they live as kids with that over their heads.

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https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-inflation-reduction-act-a-looming-political-earthquake


 

If it weren’t for the election season swamping news coverage, odds are more people would be talking about the revelation that, to quote a Bloombergheadline, “The World Bank Somehow Lost Track of at Least $24 Billion.” In fact, that may understate the reality: the World Bank’s “accounting gap” could be as big as $41 billion. The missing funds in question were for “climate finance” projects, “financed by taxpayer dollars from its member countries, the biggest being the US.”
 

I rarely post in CR, but it’s always nice to see our tax money being well spent

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I rarely post in CR, but it’s always nice seeing our  tax money being well spent

 

If it weren’t for the election season swamping news coverage, odds are more people would be talking about the revelation that, to quote a Bloombergheadline, “The World Bank Somehow Lost Track of at Least $24 Billion.” In fact, that may understate the reality: the World Bank’s “accounting gap” could be as big as $41 billion. The missing funds in question were for “climate finance” projects, “financed by taxpayer dollars from its member countries, the biggest being the US.”

 

https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-inflation-reduction-act-a-looming-political-earthquake


 

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