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Now apply that way of thinking to other topics: You want me to stop treating minorities like shit when people in other countries can treat their minorities like shit? You want me to pay

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what a thread.   the thread i jumped on back in like 2008 or something started with a claim that the Arctic would be ice free by the summer of 2012.  this didn't happen. in fact, while 2012

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Temperatures in Antarctica reached record levels at the weekend, an astonishing 40 degrees above normal in places.

At the same time, weather stations near the north pole also showed signs of melting, with some temperatures 30 degress above normal, hitting levels normally attained far later in the year.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/scientists-astonished-by-heatwaves-at-north-and-south-poles-1.4831673

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is this bad?  this seems bad.

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An ice shelf the size of New York City has collapsed in East Antarctica, an area long thought to be stable and not hit much by climate change, concerned scientists said Friday.

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Neff said he worries that previous assumptions about East Antarctica's stability may not be so right. And that's important because the water frozen in East Antarctica if it melted — and that's a millennia-long process if not longer — would raise seas across the globe more than 160 feet (50 meters). It's more than five times the ice in the more vulnerable West Antarctic Ice Sheet, where scientists have concentrated much of their research.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088840912/antarctica-ice-shelf-collapses

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High Plains Drifter

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my math tells me only slightly over a foot.

 

depth of mariana trench according to google tron is 12, 100 feet. times 1 percent is 121. Times one hundredth is 1.21 feet.

 

Regardless, one foot of rise would probably cover Manhattan and most of Florida (eh). Kiss beaches good bye.

 

Also, it'll be more than one hundredth of one percent in 300 years. I regret that fat fuck won't be alive to see his little TrumpLand a Lago inundated.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

my math tells me only slightly over a foot.

 

depth of mariana trench according to google tron is 12, 100 feet. times 1 percent is 121. Times one hundredth is 1.21 feet.

 

Regardless, one foot of rise would probably cover Manhattan and most of Florida (eh). Kiss beaches good bye.

 

Also, it'll be more than one hundredth of one percent in 300 years. I regret that fat fuck won't be alive to see his little TrumpLand a Lago inundated.

 

 

Check your googles.  The trench is like 36,000 ft deep.

 

Little known fact: "Mariana" is South Austin's mom's name. 

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On 4/6/2022 at 12:04 PM, Immaculate Vibes said:

The next government imposed emergencies will be climate related. Here’s the first “soft lockdown” I’ve seen. 
 

 

 

The tagline is wrong.  It's not 2.5 hour flights, it's flights to places that can be reached by a bus or train in 2.5 hours.  So more like a 45 minute or so flight, such as Austin to Houston.

 

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SIAP.  Gave some $$$ to this.  This seems to be to be a good charity.  Or at least the idea seems very sound.  The argument comes from the book Doing Good Better and is essentially that you'll do a lot more good by giving bucks to help preserve rain forests directly than you will by running your dishwasher on the correct cycle, or getting a more efficient care (not that those aren't things you should be doing anyway.)  The guy actually had a figure that by giving $160 dollar per year to this charity you would essentially cancel out the carbon footprint for that year for one dirty American.    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Earth

https://www.coolearth.org/

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45 minutes ago, landman said:

The tagline is wrong.  It's not 2.5 hour flights, it's flights to places that can be reached by a bus or train in 2.5 hours.  So more like a 45 minute or so flight, such as Austin to Houston.

So naive question.  I drive a honda fit which gets close to 40 mph on the highway.  When it dies I'm going electric.  Is it absolutely crystal clear that me doing the drive both ways between Dallas and San Antonio clearly produces less emissions than my being an extra passenger on a Southwest flight both ways? 

Any studies out there that show "emissions per mile per person" in terms of both modes?

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3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

SIAP.  Gave some $$$ to this.  This seems to be to be a good charity.  Or at least the idea seems very sound.  The argument comes from the book Doing Good Better and is essentially that you'll do a lot more good by giving bucks to help preserve rain forests directly than you will by running your dishwasher on the correct cycle, or getting a more efficient care (not that those aren't things you should be doing anyway.)  The guy actually had a figure that by giving $160 dollar per year to this charity you would essentially cancel out the carbon footprint for that year for one dirty American.    

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Earth

https://www.coolearth.org/

Does it go to buying off corrupt governments?  Because that’s the only real solution to the rainforest problem. 

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4 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

So naive question.  I drive a honda fit which gets close to 40 mph on the highway.  When it dies I'm going electric.  Is it absolutely crystal clear that me doing the drive both ways between Dallas and San Antonio clearly produces less emissions than my being an extra passenger on a Southwest flight both ways? 

Any studies out there that show "emissions per mile per person" in terms of both modes?

Yes:

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https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49349566

 

And that's for a diesel car. An electric vehicle will be lower, dramatically so depending on the source of electricity. 

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CO2 Emissions from a gallon of gasoline: 8,887 grams CO2/ gallon

the googles estimates 62Kg CO2 typical for DAL-AUS.  that assumes the flight is full.  not sure if that accounts for the "secondary effects" present in dahobbs' chart.  so your car with just you in it would be better by about 25% than the full flight. 

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The tagline is wrong.  It's not 2.5 hour flights, it's flights to places that can be reached by a bus or train in 2.5 hours.  So more like a 45 minute or so flight, such as Austin to Houston.
 

The hottest flight attendant I've ever seen was on a short hop on Alitalia Express. RIP to her career.
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Over thousands of years, the frozen earth swallowed up all manner of organic material, from tree stumps to woolly mammoths. As the permafrost thaws, microbes in the soil awaken and begin to feast on the defrosting biomass. It’s a funky, organic process, akin to unplugging your freezer and leaving the door open, only to return a day later to see that the chicken breasts in the back have begun to rot. In the case of permafrost, this microbial digestion releases a constant belch of carbon dioxide and methane. Scientific models suggest that the permafrost contains one and a half trillion tons of carbon, twice as much as is currently held in Earth’s atmosphere.

In other happy news, the mile-deep (I had no idea it was that deep) permafrost is melting with dire consequences. The above is from the New Yorker, Jan. 27.

I wonder what other time bombs are waiting for our negligence to set ticking.

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19 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

In other happy news, the mile-deep (I had no idea it was that deep) permafrost is melting with dire consequences. The above is from the New Yorker, Jan. 27.

I wonder what other time bombs are waiting for our negligence to set ticking.

I think it was Nova that had a pretty sobering episode about this issue, worth checking out.

But don’t worry, I’m sure free market forces will solve the problem like always 🙄

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

In other happy news, the mile-deep (I had no idea it was that deep) permafrost is melting with dire consequences. The above is from the New Yorker, Jan. 27.

I wonder what other time bombs are waiting for our negligence to set ticking.

 

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I think it was Nova that had a pretty sobering episode about this issue, worth checking out.

But don’t worry, I’m sure free market forces will solve the problem like always 🙄

Yep. I think this is one of the biggest unrecognized negative feedback loops that is going to make this snowball worse than anyone ever imagined.  Good times.

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The next government imposed emergencies will be climate related. Here’s the first “soft lockdown” I’ve seen. 
 
 
 

The tagline is wrong.  It's not 2.5 hour flights, it's flights to places that can be reached by a bus or train in 2.5 hours.  So more like a 45 minute or so flight, such as Austin to Houston.
 

Lmao I’m just shocked to see @Immaculate Vibes posting disinformation. Just shocked.

So naive question.  I drive a honda fit which gets close to 40 mph on the highway.  When it dies I'm going electric.  Is it absolutely crystal clear that me doing the drive both ways between Dallas and San Antonio clearly produces less emissions than my being an extra passenger on a Southwest flight both ways? 
Any studies out there that show "emissions per mile per person" in terms of both modes?

Aviation produces multiples more emissions per passenger mile than auto or rail. The graphic above was Euro centric, my understanding is that bc Amtrak’s carbon footprint per passenger mile is pretty similar to a two-passenger car, but a single passenger gas car still loses to rail every time. Rail
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The first of a 3-part series on Frontline tonight. The Power of Big Oil Part 1: Denial. I’m familiar with the mechanics and the practices but I’ve only been following the denial machine since An Inconvenient Truth came out, so just since ‘06 or ‘07. I learned a few new names and got a refresher on what was going on in the late 80’s. It’s well made and quite maddening.

 

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Be sure to tune into Frontline tonight for part 2 of The Power of Big Oil: “Doubt.”

 

Let me guess: The Power of Big Oil, part 3: "OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it."

followed by part 4: "OK, we can do something but its too expensive/difficult."

 

 

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2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

This is perfect. Scientists say rising sea levels to climate change are erasing town. Idiot mayor says nope, it’s erosion. Because believing in climate change is for libs

as his town is wiped off the map. 

 

 

 

Let me guess, they want federal money to build seawalls and such. Or federal buyouts. In addition to their already federally subsidized flood and hurricane insurance.

 

 

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Let me guess, they want federal money to build seawalls and such. Or federal buyouts. In addition to their already federally subsidized flood and hurricane insurance.

 

 

So.....socialism?

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