The Climate thread

[Neonmoon 38,127]

43 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Let me guess, they want federal money to build seawalls and such. Or federal buyouts. In addition to their already federally subsidized flood and hurricane insurance.

 

 

That is correct. Mayor of that town wants government to build more sea walls 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Neonmoon

[EuroHorn 3,204]

Interesting business idea for those who want to keep their classic car but still go electric 

 

https://stocks.apple.com/A5tdTWsYqSYydbclNR_ZPNQ

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

41 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Let me guess:

Guess again.

It’s a three part series. There’s no fourth part scheduled or even produced as far as I know.

I don’t know what your point is. But the whole angle of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” is part of the campaign waged by the deniers. Are you a denier?

The thing is that the message from science is consistent. They’re scientists. Greenhouse gasses are a thing, they have physical properties, we’re dumping huge amounts of them into our atmosphere, and we’re seeing the (predicted) effects.

The message from the denial side is basically coming from a bunch of lawyers trying to cast doubt on the science. There’s no consistent message because they don’t have science on their side. They just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. They try to confuse and obfuscate, trying to create doubt...

It’s not getting warmer. It’s getting warmer but human activities aren’t causing it. Human activities are causing it but it’s not a big deal. We’ll learn to manage it. God wants us to use fossil fuels and He would never let us harm ourselves as a result. And they’ll also last forever because that’s what God intended. It’s all a Chinese hoax. (Easily the dumbest argument made by the dumbest man.)

I’m guessing we might hear names of popular deniers tonight like Lindzen, Singer, Spencer, Curry, Christy, Soon and Baliunas. There are thousands of scientists in dozens of countries around the world contributing to our knowledge about how our use of fossil fuels are causing an increase in global mean temperatures and how that’s affecting our climate. We’re seeing the effects played out in front of our eyes. There’s a relatively small number of deniers, all on the payroll of the fossil fuel industry, and every time anyone tries to argue against the scientific consensus, their names are sure to come up.

If you have a clear head and open your eyes then it’s really easy to see the game that’s being played. 

 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

I think you missed the point of drifter's post.

The rubes that are pretending climate change doesn't exist (and are against governmental policies to reduce climate change), are also in favor of asking for federal money to build seawalls. 

[Dahobbs 17,437]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Guess again.

It’s a three part series. There’s no fourth part scheduled or even produced as far as I know.

I don’t know what your point is. But the whole angle of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” is part of the campaign waged by the deniers. Are you a denier?

The thing is that the message from science is consistent. They’re scientists. Greenhouse gasses are a thing, they have physical properties, we’re dumping huge amounts of them into our atmosphere, and we’re seeing the (predicted) effects.

The message from the denial side is basically coming from a bunch of lawyers trying to cast doubt on the science. There’s no consistent message because they don’t have science on their side. They just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. They try to confuse and obfuscate, trying to create doubt...

It’s not getting warmer. It’s getting warmer but human activities aren’t causing it. Human activities are causing it but it’s not a big deal. We’ll learn to manage it. God wants us to use fossil fuels and He would never let us harm ourselves as a result. And they’ll also last forever because that’s what God intended. It’s all a Chinese hoax. (Easily the dumbest argument made by the dumbest man.)

I’m guessing we might hear names of popular deniers tonight like Lindzen, Singer, Spencer, Curry, Christy, Soon and Baliunas. There are thousands of scientists in dozens of countries around the world contributing to our knowledge about how our use of fossil fuels are causing an increase in global mean temperatures and how that’s affecting our climate. We’re seeing the effects played out in front of our eyes. There’s a relatively small number of deniers, all on the payroll of the fossil fuel industry, and every time anyone tries to argue against the scientific consensus, their names are sure to come up.

If you have a clear head and open your eyes then it’s really easy to see the game that’s being played. 

 

Probably should have your meter checked. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Probably should have your meter checked. 

I’m not seeing it. Two “Let me guess” posts in a row suggests otherwise. What part of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” did I misread?

 

[High Plains Drifter 10,970]

 

Buck, I'm most certainly not a denier. I have a degree in physics, and a masters in evolutionary ecology. I am currently employed as a staff field biologist for a four year university that is not UT. My job is primarily assisting professors and post-docs with their research, much of which is directly related to the effects of climate change. I know the science pretty well, I think.

Reading the shit regarding climate change that is posted in this thread enrages me. I don't post in this thread very much for that reason. When I do, its generally to mock deniers or express that rage, which is exactly what those two posts you refer to were doing.

Maybe my sarcasm was a little hard to pick up on, mea culpa. But yeah, again, I'm not a denier.

 

[Dahobbs 17,437]

58 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m not seeing it. Two “Let me guess” posts in a row suggests otherwise. What part of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” did I misread?

 

If you're this confused, then your meter is fucked. I recommend full replacement. It was pretty obviously satire, poking fun at big oil's bullshit.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Dahobbs

[gmr548 16,491]

I’m not seeing it. Two “Let me guess” posts in a row suggests otherwise. What part of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” did I misread?
 

lol are you serious

[YChang 3,430]

2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I’m not seeing it. Two “Let me guess” posts in a row suggests otherwise. What part of, “OK, its happening but there is nothing we can do about it” did I misread?

 

Respectfully WhatTheBuck, but you’re awfully ornery about the smallest little things sometimes… and your meter needs a tune up!

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

On 4/9/2022 at 4:52 PM, Neonmoon said:

Wind cancer?

I think it is cancer of the farts. But  I slept on the couch last night..

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

2 hours ago, YChang said:

Respectfully WhatTheBuck, but you’re awfully ornery about the smallest little things sometimes… and your meter needs a tune up!

Have you seen the moronic shit that gets posted on this site by people who are totally serious about the nonsense they believe? You’ve got to give some clues when you’re imitating them just to be sarcastic. Throw in a winky emoticon or something. Or be even more obviously outrageous in what you’re saying. Don’t talk like a totally plausible nut job or the casual observer might miss the point.

Oh yeah, I’ll edit this to add:  

Edited April 26, 2022 by WhatTheBuck

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,705]

 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

Magic

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2022/05/01/california-100-percent-powered-renewables-first-time/9609975002/

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Renewable electricity provided just shy of 100% of California's electricity demand on Saturday, a record-breaker, officials said, much of it from large amounts of solar power now produced along Interstate 10, an hour east of the Coachella Valley. 

 

[Hornius Emeritus 12,416]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Magic

https://www.desertsun.com/story/news/environment/2022/05/01/california-100-percent-powered-renewables-first-time/9609975002/

 

We're doing very well on that front in Texas, too.  There have been times here recently when a huge percentage of our electric power was produced by renewables.

 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

Outer Banks doing well 

 

 

[High Plains Drifter 10,970]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Outer Banks doing well 

 

 

 

Not to worry, their government subsidized insurance will compensate them fully.

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,834]

this bad? this seems bad

 

[WBT 20,415]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Outer Banks doing well 

 

 

Should have put that behind the vegetation line

[elfenix 34,171]

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At the bottom of the stairwell leading to deck five, an alien lies upturned on green nonslip flooring. If you get close enough, you can see one of its six legs twitching and one of its translucent wings crushed to pieces. Unlike the throng of Antarctic expeditioners aboard the RSV Nuyina, Australia's newest icebreaking ship, it hasn't cleared customs. 

https://www.cnet.com/science/climate/features/the-alien-invasion-of-antarctica-is-only-just-beginning/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Edited May 14, 2022 by elfenix

[jw4381 3,063]

300,000 acres burned near Las Vegas, NM. Good times. 
 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

I’m glad she thinks it’s worth it. Energy shortages and inflation are nothing to sneeze at. 

[elfenix 34,171]

2 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Energy shortages and inflation are nothing to sneeze at. 

says man cheerleading yet another arab oil embargo which is causing energy shortages and inflation. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

3 minutes ago, elfenix said:

says man cheerleading yet another arab oil embargo which is causing energy shortages and inflation. 

Me?

[elfenix 34,171]

20 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Me?

yes you.  50 years after the first arab oil embargo and you continue to want us addicted to that sweet saudi gold and to continue to leave that lever in their hands.  oh, you'll claim you're not and you want domestic production blah blah.  of course you never address how that actually gets the lever out of their hands.  and you won't, because it doesn't.  there's no law saying what's drilled here needs to be used here, and there never will be.  globally traded commodity etc.  so, the lever remains firmly in saudi hands and they will use it to punish us for trying to leave them.  causing shortages and inflation. 

the people who whine about how much it will cost to make the transition away from saudi arabia's bullshit never address the cost of not doing so. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by elfenix

[gmr548 16,491]

I’m glad she thinks it’s worth it. Energy shortages and inflation are nothing to sneeze at. 

It would be worth it if it was going to have a transformational outcome. The only reason I disagree is that bc I doubt it will.

[wildcat09 29,226]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

says man cheerleading yet another arab oil embargo which is causing energy shortages and inflation. 

Who is also the same asshole who wants to let Bitcoin miners use half our state’s fucking electricity.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

yes you.  50 years after the first arab oil embargo and you continue to want us addicted to that sweet saudi gold and to continue to leave that lever in their hands.  oh, you'll claim you're not and you want domestic production blah blah.  of course you never address how that actually gets the lever out of their hands.  and you won't, because it doesn't.  there's no law saying what's drilled here needs to be used here, and there never will be.  globally traded commodity etc.  so, the lever remains firmly in saudi hands and they will use it to punish us for trying to leave them.  causing shortages and inflation. 

the people who whine about how much it will cost to make the transition away from saudi arabia's bullshit never address the cost of not doing so. 

Of course we should produce more. Whatever can help give us more of the lever is fine by me. 
 

As for as the energy transition goes, the thriving and advancement of our species is based on the utilization of an increasing amount of energy. Fossil fuels just happen to be reliable, cheap and energy dense. Willfully transitioning away from that has major consequences. At least this lady owns it.
 

Less reliable grids. Energy shortages. Inflation. The last two are huge factors playing into a looming global famine. No big deal. 
 

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

It would be worth it if it was going to have a transformational outcome. The only reason I disagree is that bc I doubt it will.

What do you mean?

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

2 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Of course we should produce more. Whatever can help give us more of the lever is fine by me. 
 

As for as the energy transition goes, the thriving and advancement of our species is based on the utilization of an increasing amount of energy. Fossil fuels just happen to be reliable, cheap and energy dense. Willfully transitioning away from that has major consequences. At least this lady owns it.
 

Less reliable grids. Energy shortages. Inflation. The last two are huge factors playing into a looming global famine. No big deal. 
 

What do you mean?

We can willfully transition away from it in a reasonable fashion. You haven’t explicitly made the argument that it is going to happen overnight, so I won’t tag you with that, but based on your posting history, I would guess that you aren’t interested in any kind of meaningful transition in your lifetime. Please let me know if that’s wrong. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

8 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

We can willfully transition away from it in a reasonable fashion. You haven’t explicitly made the argument that it is going to happen overnight, so I won’t tag you with that, but based on your posting history, I would guess that you aren’t interested in any kind of meaningful transition in your lifetime. Please let me know if that’s wrong. 

It’s on the planners of this transition to show it can be done in a reasonable fashion. We aren’t off to a good start. 
 

Im good with trying to decrease pollution generally and CO2 emissions where possible, but we will always need fossil fuels. Natural gas for fertilizer, also manufacturing needs.
 

I’m not ok with our civilization taking steps back as far as energy security or personal freedom in the process. I think a significant portion of this movement is about increasing control over people. Here’s another timely clip from the ongoing WEF meeting. 
 

 

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

17 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

It’s on the planners of this transition to show it can be done in a reasonable fashion. We aren’t off to a good start. 
 

Im good with trying to decrease pollution generally and CO2 emissions where possible, but we will always need fossil fuels. Natural gas for fertilizer, also manufacturing needs.
 

I’m not ok with our civilization taking steps back as far as energy security or personal freedom in the process. I think a significant portion of this movement is about increasing control over people. Here’s another timely clip from the ongoing WEF meeting. 
 

 

I agree with a lot of that, but the bolded is where you lose me.  It just seems like a scare tactic to me.  Who wants control over people?  To what end?  It just seems like a boogeyman.

[elfenix 34,171]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I agree with a lot of that, but the bolded is where you lose me.  It just seems like a scare tactic to me.  Who wants control over people?  To what end?  It just seems like a boogeyman.

it is.  the paranoid saw covid as a test for it and somehow think that was a flying success for the oligarchs. 

 

meanwhile this guy has come out with an app which will allow the oligarchs to continue to make loud noises about pollution being an individual problem needing individual action.  which is the same shit they've been telling us since they decided to switch from reusable or no packaging to selling us multiple pieces of trash with the thing we actually want back in the 60s and 70s. 

[hookem2010 2,599]

17 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Of course we should produce more. Whatever can help give us more of the lever is fine by me. 
 

As for as the energy transition goes, the thriving and advancement of our species is based on the utilization of an increasing amount of energy. Fossil fuels just happen to be reliable, cheap and energy dense. Willfully transitioning away from that has major consequences. At least this lady owns it.
 

Less reliable grids. Energy shortages. Inflation. The last two are huge factors playing into a looming global famine. No big deal. 
 

What do you mean?

Are you not at all concerned about rising temperatures and more unpredictable weather patterns decreasing arable land and sea level rise displacing tens of millions of people? It seems like those could possibly be factors leading to global famine. 

And when it comes to freedom, what kind of freedom do the largely poor people who will become climate refugees have when they are forced to abandon their homes, despite not being significant contributors to the problem? Kind of seems like we are robbing them of their freedom, seeing as we, the US, are responsible for more emissions all-time than any other country, much of it well after we knew of the consequences.

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

Thought this was pretty cool, if it hasn't been posted before.  Real time Austin energy sources.  Renewable vs non-renewable.  Half coming from renewable right now.  I wish more cities would do this.  Maybe they do, I don't know.

https://austinenergy.com/ae/about/environment/renewable-power-generation

 

[Dahobbs 17,437]

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Thought this was pretty cool, if it hasn't been posted before.  Real time Austin energy sources.  Renewable vs non-renewable.  Half coming from renewable right now.  I wish more cities would do this.  Maybe they do, I don't know.

https://austinenergy.com/ae/about/environment/renewable-power-generation

 

That's cool. The description of the biomass plant however is questionable. Burning wood isn't carbon neutral. 

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

That's cool. The description of the biomass plant however is questionable. Burning wood isn't carbon neutral. 

True, but it is renewable at least, which is what they specify.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Biff Tannen
and it's not necessarily just wood. probably hemp as well as some other stuff

[Dahobbs 17,437]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

True, but it is renewable at least, which is what they specify.

Yeah, I was specifically referring to this part:

"In Sacul, Texas, about 10 miles northwest of Nacogdoches, the largest biomass plant in the country can produce 105 MW of renewable energy for the Austin area. The plant creates carbon-neutral electricity by burning wood waste that otherwise would decompose and emit carbon compounds contributing to climate change."

That's some mush-mouth bullshit right there unless they are combining with some form of carbon capture that isn't specified.  

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Yeah, I was specifically referring to this part:

"In Sacul, Texas, about 10 miles northwest of Nacogdoches, the largest biomass plant in the country can produce 105 MW of renewable energy for the Austin area. The plant creates carbon-neutral electricity by burning wood waste that otherwise would decompose and emit carbon compounds contributing to climate change."

That's some mush-mouth bullshit right there unless they are combining with some form of carbon capture that isn't specified.  

Ah, fair.

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

On 5/23/2022 at 5:15 PM, elfenix said:

yes you.  50 years after the first arab oil embargo and you continue to want us addicted to that sweet saudi gold and to continue to leave that lever in their hands.  oh, you'll claim you're not and you want domestic production blah blah.  of course you never address how that actually gets the lever out of their hands.  and you won't, because it doesn't.  there's no law saying what's drilled here needs to be used here, and there never will be.  globally traded commodity etc.  so, the lever remains firmly in saudi hands and they will use it to punish us for trying to leave them.  causing shortages and inflation. 

the people who whine about how much it will cost to make the transition away from saudi arabia's bullshit never address the cost of not doing so. 

I guess we’ll just move the lever somewhere else. 
 

 

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

9 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

I guess we’ll just move the lever somewhere else. 
 

 

Cool. Bang up job.  Who put the ban on imports?  

[elfenix 34,171]

58 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

I guess we’ll just move the lever somewhere else. 
 

 

this is called stepping on your own dick.

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Cool. Bang up job.  Who put the ban on imports?  

The same folks making a huge racket about baby formula. 

[Immaculate Vibes 114]

On 5/28/2022 at 3:57 PM, elfenix said:

this is called stepping on your own dick.

If you could sum up the energy transition in one sentence, that would be it. 
 

Chaser 

 

Oh and this is something I hadn’t considered a possibility. 
 

Globally, the number of electric vehicles is expected to swell from 7 million to 400 million by 2040. The transition to zero-emission cars is estimated to add 2,000 TWh to annual energy demand by 2050 — a 40% increase — according to a study by global advisory group ICF.

[Fudge Nuggets 19,146]

32 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

Globally, the number of electric vehicles is expected to swell from 7 million to 400 million by 2040. The transition to zero-emission cars is estimated to add 2,000 TWh to annual energy demand by 2050 — a 40% increase — according to a study by global advisory group ICF.

Cool, now do the same for crypto mining that has seen a 65% increase in energy consumption over just the last year.  Extrapolate that shit out to 2050 and see where you get.  And that's just for bitcoin, not to mention all the other scams.

[Biff Tannen 45,491]

47 minutes ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

If you could sum up the energy transition in one sentence, that would be it. 
 

Chaser 

 

Oh and this is something I hadn’t considered a possibility. 
 

Globally, the number of electric vehicles is expected to swell from 7 million to 400 million by 2040. The transition to zero-emission cars is estimated to add 2,000 TWh to annual energy demand by 2050 — a 40% increase — according to a study by global advisory group ICF.

Yes, that is why anyone with a functioning brain, which I would venture to guess is most EV buyers, should be charging overnight in low demand hours. 

[Brisketexan 104,561]

I love how IV doesn't even read the shit he posts.  A great example is the first twitter piece about grid risk.  SEVEN segments of the grid are noted to be at risk, only ONE is because of early-retired generation.  The rest is.....shit like climate change (increased temps) and surging demand due to growth.

THEN, to make it better, he screams and sounds the alarm about EVs, as he simultaneously relentlessly pitches the fastest growing energy-suck in modern history, "crypto mining."  

When your trolling becomes indistinguishable from satire, you should probably quit.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

I love how we have to keep seeing posts from a thrice banned troll. 

[elfenix 34,171]

again, stepping on your own dick.

[ChickenSandwich 9,798]

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/corporate-jets-to-escape-eu-s-green-aviation-fuel-tax-1.4618545
 

Corporate jets to escape EU’s ‘green’ aviation fuel tax