The Climate thread

[Biff Tannen 46,168]

1 hour ago, nbmishoid said:

Well, we here in the richest society ever, who have built wealth via by far leading the world in cumulative emissions, we just can’t do anything if the poor societies, who have mostly nil in cumulative emissions, relatively, can’t afford to match us. 

It’s just this weird vindictive selfishness that just still blows my mind. Why are they such horrible people?

[fattyflattie 4,640]

3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

other countries are more of a problem

I said this?   Just read back and it appears I didn’t. The ones I listed have zero regard for the environment though, and while we whip their ass in CO2 output, I’d like to see the comparison of dumping barrels of oil into waterways looks like between the two. Or hundreds of millions of tons of plastic in ocean between us than them.  So of course, I should give up things in I enjoy while others ass fuck our planet in ways that make your stats pretty. Makes complete sense.  

[YChang 3,569]

7 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I said this?   Just read back and it appears I didn’t. The ones I listed have zero regard for the environment though, and while we whip their ass in CO2 output, I’d like to see the comparison of dumping barrels of oil into waterways looks like between the two. Or hundreds of millions of tons of plastic in ocean between us than them.  So of course, I should give up things in I enjoy while others ass fuck our planet in ways that make your stats pretty. Makes complete sense.  

I don't think anyone is asking you to live in apostolic poverty! And it definitley needs to be a cooperative effort from all nations to tackle this.

But as citizens of the US, I do expect us to do better. I want to see our government and private industry do even more to nurture and bring to market new technologies that helps us clean up the environment and help us conserve. And I expect our goverment to persuade and nudge other countries along as well.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

2 minutes ago, YChang said:

But as citizens of the US, I do expect us to do better. I want to see our government and private industry do even more to nurture and bring to market new technologies that helps us clean up the environment and help us conserve. And I expect our goverment to persuade and nudge other countries along as well.

We are, constantly in fact.   I’m not sure I can point to a single thing that’s less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 

[Dahobbs 18,324]

21 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I said this?  Just read back and it appears I didn’t.

That was the implication, yes. N.B. you didn't say it was your belief, you said it was the response of the assholes that don't want to do anything. I'm just adding context.

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The ones I listed have zero regard for the environment though, and while we whip their ass in CO2 output, I’d like to see the comparison of dumping barrels of oil into waterways looks like between the two. Or hundreds of millions of tons of plastic in ocean between us than them.  So of course, I should give up things in I enjoy while others ass fuck our planet in ways that make your stats pretty. Makes complete sense.  

Asian countries in general are responsible for the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean, no doubt. But what doesn't make sense is declining to do anything about the stuff we absolutely control because someone else does something else. 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Dahobbs

[Biff Tannen 46,168]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

I don't think anyone is asking you to live in apostolic poverty! And it definitley needs to be a cooperative effort from all nations to tackle this.

But as citizens of the US, I do expect us to do better. I want to see our government and private industry do even more to nurture and bring to market new technologies that helps us clean up the environment and help us conserve. And I expect our goverment to persuade and nudge other countries along as well.

It's called being the leader of the world.  Like it or not, we are absolutely looked to as that.

[YChang 3,569]

9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

We are, constantly in fact.   I’m not sure I can point to a single thing that’s less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 

For sure! And I want to see our industries get better as well. Everything from capping leaks from gas pipes, capturing and reusing methane from our dairy farmers, better construction practices... and actual real punishments for industries that don't follow the laws already on the books.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

For sure! And I want to see our industries get better as well. Everything from capping leaks from gas pipes, capturing and reusing methane from our dairy farmers, better construction practices... and actual real punishments for industries that don't follow the laws already on the books.

Agree 100%. 

[Bullneck 19,528]

Hey, look what just showed up.  Part of Greenland:

[Willfully Horn 8,264]

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

We are, constantly in fact.   I’m not sure I can point to a single thing that’s less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 

Shame is less efficient. Sadly. Also, facts.

[Hornius Emeritus 12,804]

14 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I said this?   Just read back and it appears I didn’t. The ones I listed have zero regard for the environment though, and while we whip their ass in CO2 output, I’d like to see the comparison of dumping barrels of oil into waterways looks like between the two. Or hundreds of millions of tons of plastic in ocean between us than them.  So of course, I should give up things in I enjoy while others ass fuck our planet in ways that make your stats pretty. Makes complete sense.  

Agree.  I'm not going to give up the heroin that I so much enjoy when others are alcoholics!

[gmr548 16,701]

We are, constantly in fact.   I’m not sure I can point to a single thing that’s less efficient than it was 20 years ago. 

American democracy, critical thinking, common decency.

And printers.

[WhatTheBuck 28,930]

9 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Hey, look what just showed up.  Part of Greenland:

Offer to sell it to Trump. 

[Bullneck 19,528]

15 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I said this?   Just read back and it appears I didn’t. The ones I listed have zero regard for the environment though, and while we whip their ass in CO2 output, I’d like to see the comparison of dumping barrels of oil into waterways looks like between the two. Or hundreds of millions of tons of plastic in ocean between us than them.  So of course, I should give up things in I enjoy while others ass fuck our planet in ways that make your stats pretty. Makes complete sense.  

Negged (really). 

 

Don't create permission structures that excuse bad behavior.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

American democracy, critical thinking, common decency.

And printers.

And diesel trucks. 

[bolverk 30,326]

Hawaii is getting hotter and drying out.

How Climate Change Turned Lush Hawaii Into a Tinderbox
Declining rainfall, rising temperatures and invasive species have left the islands more susceptible to wildfires.

The fires in Hawaii would be shocking anywhere — killing at least 36 people, in one of the deadliest wildfires in the United States in modern history. But the devastation is especially striking because of where it happened: In a state defined by its lush vegetation, a far cry from the dry landscape normally associated with fire threats.

The explanation is as straightforward as it is sobering: As the planet heats up, no place is protected from disasters.

The story of this week’s blaze arguably began decades ago, when Hawaii started experiencing a long-term decline in average annual rainfall. Since 1990, rainfall at selected monitoring sites has been 31 percent lower in the wet season, and 6 percent lower in the dry season, according to work published in 2015 by researchers at the University of Hawaii and the University of Colorado.

There are multiple reasons for that change, according to Abby Frazier, a climatologist at Clark University who has researched Hawaii.

One factor is La Niña, a weather pattern that has usually led to significant rainfall but began delivering less precipitation beginning in the 1980s. Those weaker La Niñas “are not bringing us out of drought,” Dr. Frazier said in an interview earlier this year.

Another change: As temperatures increase, the clouds over Hawaii are thinner, Dr. Frazier said. And less cloud cover means less precipitation. On top of that, big storms have been moving north over time — delivering less of the rainfall that they typically bring to the islands.

All three changes are probably related to rising temperatures, Dr. Frazier said. “There’s likely a climate change signal in everything we see,” she said.

Almost 16 percent of Maui County, where the wildfires are burning, is in severe drought, according to data issued by the U.S. Drought Monitor on Thursday; an additional 20 percent is in moderate drought.

As average annual rainfall has been decreasing, average temperatures in Hawaii, like elsewhere in the world, have increased, further drying out the vegetation. In a paper published in 2019, University of Hawaii researchers wrote that 2016 was warmer than the 100-year mean by .92 degrees Celsius, and temperatures had been inching up by .19 Celsius per decade at the Mauna Loa Observatory.

Hawaii’s landscape is changing in other ways, beyond becoming drier. As wildfires become more common, some native vegetation, which is poorly adapted to fire, has been destroyed. In other places, including the area around Lahaina, longstanding sugar cane farms stopped operating around the 1990s; the land stopped getting irrigated.

In the place of those crops and native vegetation, dry and invasive grasses spread. Those grasses that are better able to regrow after a fire, but are also quick to ignite. That has contributed to fires spreading more quickly.

“The landscape is just covered with flammable stuff,” said Ryan Longman, a research fellow at the East-West Center, an educational institution. “All of the conditions just came together.”

The drying out of Hawaii’s landscape is part of a trend affecting rainforests around the globe.

Rainforests are highly sensitive to changes in precipitation. Higher temperatures, drought and changes in rain patterns stress trees. Their trunks dry up, and their leaves fall. Thinning canopy allows sun rays to reach the soil, causing it to dry up quickly.

Over decades, drought, heat, fire and deforestation can force a rainforest to transition into dry grasslands, or savanna.

Parts of the Amazon rainforest, the biggest in the world, are fast approaching this transition, a point of no return when the humid ecosystem would forever change.

Degraded forests and changing weather patterns combine to create perfect conditions for fires, often started by human activity, to grow into enormous, uncontrollable blazes. In tropical forests, tree loss because of fire has grown 5 percent on average each year over the past 20 years, according to recent research.

Those underlying threats were amplified in Hawaii this week by a separate threat: Hurricane Dora, which passed south of Hawaii as a Category 4 storm on Tuesday. Though the storm was hundreds of miles off the coast of Maui, it contributed to wind speeds of greater than 60 miles per hour, helping the fire to spread at a ferocious speed.

It’s difficult to directly attribute any single hurricane to climate change. But by increasing air and ocean temperatures, warming conditions make it more likely for large storms to gain strength.

“The massive winds, dry winds, are what drove this fire,” said Josh Stanbro, who served as chief resilience officer for Honolulu. “This is part of a long-term trend that is directly related to climate changes and impacts on the islands.”

 

[nbmishoid 989]

19 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

That was the implication, yes. N.B. you didn't say it was your belief, you said it was the response of the assholes that don't want to do anything. I'm just adding context.

Asian countries in general are responsible for the vast majority of plastic waste in the ocean, no doubt. But what doesn't make sense is declining to do anything about the stuff we absolutely control because someone else does something else. 

Christomighty, DH, don’t confuse me with FF.  

[fattyflattie 4,640]

34 minutes ago, nbmishoid said:

Christomighty, DH, don’t confuse me with FF.  

Come on. We will both retire off O&G then become concerned with the state of our climate.  

[YChang 3,569]

Well I'll be...

Judge Rules in Favor of Montana Youths in Climate Case

[wildcat09 29,579]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:57 PM, fattyflattie said:

I know we are still the largest offenders. I’m just telling you why half the US population isn’t going to change their ways when others are encouraged to fuck the planet up. Not when you can move one state north and 80% of your everyday climate issues disappear. 

I gotta say, "conservative Americans are opposed to measures to mitigate climate change because they're concerned for the environmental destruction carried out in Africa and India" is a new line of bullshit I never thought I'd see.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I gotta say, "conservative Americans are opposed to measures to mitigate climate change because they're concerned for the environmental destruction carried out in Africa and India" is a new line of bullshit I never thought I'd see.

Not really, it's one of the staples.  "You want me to get rid of my truck/way of life for a electric shitbox when they can freely burn tires and mine and generally rape the planet over in shitholestan?" has been said as long as I can remember.    

[Dahobbs 18,324]

17 minutes ago, YChang said:

Well I'll be...

Judge Rules in Favor of Montana Youths in Climate Case

This is actually really surprising to me. I swear the judge made a comment earlier that was something along the lines of "understanding that I'm probably not ruling in your favor, what are you asking for if I do?"

[bolverk 30,326]

17 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

This is actually really surprising to me. I swear the judge made a comment earlier that was something along the lines of "understanding that I'm probably not ruling in your favor, what are you asking for if I do?"

It's undoubtedly good for Montana, but I'm interested in hearing more about the federal case mentioned in the last paragraph:

Environmental advocates have hoped that a favorable ruling in Montana could put pressure not only on state leaders but also on other courts where similar litigation is pending. Our Children’s Trust, which is helping guide the Montana case, won a preliminary victory in June when a judge ruled that a case against the federal government in Oregon could go to trial.

[bolverk 30,326]

23 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Not really, it's one of the staples.  "You want me to get rid of my truck/way of life for a electric shitbox when they can freely burn tires and mine and generally rape the planet over in shitholestan?" has been said as long as I can remember.    

Now apply that way of thinking to other topics:

• You want me to stop treating minorities like shit when people in other countries can treat their minorities like shit?
• You want me to pay taxes when people in other countries can get away with not paying theirs?
• You want me to stop beating my wife and kids when men in other countries get to do that?

It's a shitty argument made by shitty people who want to do shitty things.

[Brisketexan 106,900]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Now apply that way of thinking to other topics:

• You want me to stop treating minorities like shit when people in other countries can treat their minorities like shit?
• You want me to pay taxes when people in other countries can get away with not paying theirs?
• You want me to stop beating my wife and kids when men in other countries get to do that?

It's a shitty argument made by shitty people who want to do shitty things.

Dude.  "Shitty" is our national brand.  We polish it shiny and wear it proudly.

[bolverk 30,326]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  "Shitty" is our national brand.  We polish it shiny and wear it proudly.

[Biff Tannen 46,168]

Ken Burns has a new documentary airing in October about the American Buffalo (bison).  There was an hour long panel discussion today on PBS with him and 3 Native American experts on the bison and how it has shaped America over time.  It was really great, but the question that was asked everyone on the panel, and I think is a really thought provoking and important one:

Why do Americans have a need to destroy?

[fattyflattie 4,640]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

It's a shitty argument made by shitty people who want to do shitty things.

You’re surprised people don’t want to have things forced on them for the “greater good”?  When 75% of the rest of the planet can’t muster 1 solitary fuck? 

[jimmyjazz 47,205]

43 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’re surprised people don’t want to have things forced on them for the “greater good”?  When 75% of the rest of the planet can’t muster 1 solitary fuck? 

This is why "American exceptionalism" is such a stupid canard.  Most Americans are like fatty -- selfish assholes who couldn't strive for the greater good if their lives depended on it.

"I need a boat!!!"

 

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by jimmyjazz

[fattyflattie 4,640]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is why "American exceptionalism" is such a stupid canard.  Most Americans are like fatty -- selfish assholes who couldn't strive for the greater good if theirs lives depended on it.

"I need a boat!!!"

Hah. One of us is a boomer that burned leaded gas for decades without a care in the world.  I could probably not inflict as much damage as you have if I tried.  But you got yours, and now it’s time for change. Selfish asshole indeed. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by fattyflattie
Nvm

[jimmyjazz 47,205]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Hah. One of us is a boomer that burned leaded gas for decades without a care in the world.  I could probably not inflict as much damage as you have if I tried.  But you got yours, and now it’s time for change. Selfish asshole indeed. 

I've literally never purchased leaded gasoline even once in my life, you stooge.  Good luck with that boat.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I've literally never purchased leaded gasoline even once in my life, you stooge.  Good luck with that boat.

Well, I had you pinned for much older.  Maybe it’s something other than your unfounded self righteousness and whining that made me think boomer, who knows?

You understand I’ve not been without at least one since I was 15?  
The boat meme you think is funny is about my end goal of owning a very large, very expensive, very fuel inefficient one. The joke is so very funny though.  I know, how about one about guns? Ha. Ha. Ha.    

The predictable part is your immediate jump to personal attacks; there is no need for that. The heat sucks this year, I get it.  I’ve been working my entire life to have a place on the coast, and now that it’s time, it’s all stop and now looking more and more like Colorado.  Pretty fucking disheartening.   But, as long as we are leading the world in restrictions, who cares!!1!1. 

[jimmyjazz 47,205]

8 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Well, I had you pinned for much older.  Maybe it’s something other than your unfounded self righteousness and whining that made me think boomer, who knows?

I am technically a boomer, tail end.  Born 1963.  Just turned 60.  The leaded gasoline ban went into effect in 1975, when I was 12.  I got my license when I was 16, and drove my parents' sweet '78 Cutlass Brougham when allowed.  It looked just like this.  Even had a sunroof.  I was pimpin' for a band nerd who was really good at math and physics and who barely wrestled varsity . . . every once in awhile:

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by jimmyjazz

[Zepol87 9,341]

50 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is why "American exceptionalism" is such a stupid canard.  Most Americans are like fatty -- selfish assholes who couldn't strive for the greater good if their lives depended on it.

"I need a boat!!!"

 

 

Jesus this is sad. Do you really think this way?

[jimmyjazz 47,205]

1 minute ago, Zepol87 said:

Jesus this is sad. Do you really think this way?

Yes.

[Zepol87 9,341]

57 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’re surprised people don’t want to have things forced on them for the “greater good”?  When 75% of the rest of the planet can’t muster 1 solitary fuck? 

Sorry Jimmy meant to quote this one my bad. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,923]

On 7/18/2023 at 10:30 AM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I hate late-stage capitalism.

I should not have feared. Check out the latest 10 day forecast with autumn showing up at the end.

 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[bolverk 30,326]

19 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

You’re surprised people don’t want to have things forced on them for the “greater good”?  When 75% of the rest of the planet can’t muster 1 solitary fuck? 

No, I'm not surprised. I'm a parent and have had to listen to similar "what about Tommy and Suzie" arguments by my child before. Have you never used the classic line, "If they all jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too?"

 

You really don't seem to grasp the situation at hand.

1. Globally, CO2 emissions were at 4.69 tons per person in 2021 (the last year I could find), raising global temperatures at a historically unprecedented rate. Unfortunately, global emissions increased by 13% per capita from 2000 to 2021.
2. In the US, we emitted 14.86 tons per person in 2021. The good news is that Americans have collectively reduced our emissions by 30% from 2000, so we're going in the right direction, and our quality of life hasn't decreased, but we still have far to go. Currently, we rank at #12 as the worst emitters on the planet from a per capita viewpoint.
3. Until we can even reach the global average of 4.69 tons, we don't have any business lecturing anyone below it.
4. And, yes, we SHOULD be concerned about those countries seeing dramatic increases, especially large countries with already high per capita emissions.

 

Here's a spoilered table of data copy/pasted from this source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=table&time=2000..latest

 

Spoiler Annual CO₂ emissions (per capita)           Rank     tonnes per capita           Emissions Reductions Reductions   2000 2021 # chg. % chg.   per Capita # chg. % chg. Qatar 52.65 35.59 -17.06 -32.4%   1 3 30 Bahrain 26.42 26.66 0.24 0.9%   2 119 82 Kuwait 27.59 24.97 -2.62 -9.5%   3 31 70 Trinidad and Tobago 18.16 23.68 5.52 30.4%   4 215 126 Brunei 13.75 23.53 9.78 71.1%   5 218 167 United Arab Emirates 34.13 21.79 -12.34 -36.2%   6 4 21 New Caledonia 10.02 19.10 9.08 90.6%   7 217 182 Saudi Arabia 13.75 18.70 4.95 36.0%   8 213 131 Oman 9.19 17.92 8.73 95.0%   9 216 184 Australia 18.38 15.09 -3.29 -17.9%   10 19 57 Mongolia 3.03 15.03 12.00 396.0%   11 219 214 United States 21.30 14.86 -6.44 -30.2%   12 7 34 Sint Maarten (Dutch part) 19.34 14.70 -4.64 -24.0%   13 9 46 Kazakhstan 9.68 14.41 4.73 48.9%   14 211 148 Canada 18.47 14.30 -4.17 -22.6%   15 13 49 Palau 10.58 13.21 2.63 24.9%   16 208 117 Faroe Islands 15.08 13.20 -1.88 -12.5%   17 37 67 Turkmenistan 8.20 13.09 4.89 59.6%   18 212 160 Luxembourg 19.99 13.07 -6.92 -34.6%   19 5 23 Russia 10.07 12.10 2.03 20.2%   20 200 110 South Korea 9.40 11.89 2.49 26.5%   21 205 121 Taiwan 10.23 11.85 1.62 15.8%   22 192 102 Libya 9.22 11.06 1.84 20.0%   23 197 108 Saint Pierre and Miquelon 8.72 10.51 1.79 20.5%   24 196 111 Curacao 34.98 9.69 -25.29 -72.3%   25 1 1 Czechia 12.42 9.24 -3.18 -25.6%   26 21 42 Anguilla 7.94 9.17 1.23 15.5%   27 184 100 Iceland 10.39 9.11 -1.28 -12.3%   28 46 69 Greenland 11.88 9.08 -2.80 -23.6%   29 24 48 Poland 8.25 8.58 0.33 4.0%   30 129 88 Japan 9.97 8.57 -1.40 -14.0%   31 44 63 Bermuda 8.42 8.53 0.11 1.3%   32 105 84 Iran 5.63 8.52 2.89 51.3%   33 210 153 Belgium 12.35 8.24 -4.11 -33.3%   34 14 28 Germany 11.03 8.09 -2.94 -26.7%   35 23 40 Netherlands 10.76 8.06 -2.70 -25.1%   36 29 44 Aruba 26.68 8.05 -18.63 -69.8%   37 2 2 China 2.88 8.05 5.17 179.5%   38 214 202 Estonia 11.10 7.86 -3.24 -29.2%   39 20 37 Malaysia 5.50 7.63 2.13 38.7%   40 201 136 Norway 9.38 7.57 -1.81 -19.3%   41 39 55 Turks and Caicos Islands 5.86 7.56 1.70 29.0%   42 195 124 Ireland 12.01 7.53 -4.48 -37.3%   43 11 19 South Africa 8.08 7.34 -0.74 -9.2%   44 58 71 Austria 8.26 7.24 -1.02 -12.3%   45 54 68 Finland 11.01 6.79 -4.22 -38.3%   46 12 17 New Zealand 8.36 6.59 -1.77 -21.2%   47 40 52 Slovakia 7.65 6.48 -1.17 -15.3%   48 52 62 Belarus 5.35 6.22 0.87 16.3%   49 169 105 Bulgaria 5.61 6.18 0.57 10.2%   50 151 94 Israel 9.73 6.13 -3.60 -37.0%   51 16 20 Cyprus 7.51 6.11 -1.40 -18.6%   52 45 56 Niue 3.50 6.09 2.59 74.0%   53 206 169 Slovenia 7.59 5.92 -1.67 -22.0%   54 42 51 Bahamas 6.23 5.85 -0.38 -6.1%   55 64 75 Guadeloupe 5.09 5.78 0.69 13.6%   56 160 98 Andorra 7.92 5.73 -2.19 -27.7%   57 33 38 Martinique 4.61 5.69 1.08 23.4%   58 178 113 Italy 8.26 5.55 -2.71 -32.8%   59 27 29 Singapore 11.94 5.47 -6.47 -54.2%   60 6 5 Greece 9.33 5.39 -3.94 -42.2%   61 15 13 Cook Islands 3.22 5.37 2.15 66.8%   62 202 164 Seychelles 3.94 5.34 1.40 35.5%   63 190 130 Turkey 3.59 5.26 1.67 46.5%   64 193 146 United Kingdom 9.67 5.15 -4.52 -46.7%   65 10 10 British Virgin Islands 6.19 5.09 -1.10 -17.8%   66 53 58 Denmark 10.17 5.05 -5.12 -50.3%   67 8 8 Antigua and Barbuda 3.90 5.03 1.13 29.0%   68 181 123 Hungary 5.72 4.99 -0.73 -12.8%   69 59 66 Saint Kitts and Nevis 3.79 4.99 1.20 31.7%   70 183 129 Lithuania 3.30 4.98 1.68 50.9%   71 194 152 Spain 7.65 4.92 -2.73 -35.7%   72 26 22 Nauru 8.10 4.76 -3.34 -41.2%   73 18 14 France 6.93 4.74 -2.19 -31.6%   74 34 31 GLOBAL AVERAGE 4.14 4.69 0.55 13%         Montserrat 4.96 4.66 -0.30 -6.0%   75 67 76 Ukraine 5.84 4.64 -1.20 -20.5%   76 51 54 Suriname 4.58 4.56 -0.02 -0.4%   77 75 78 Lebanon 3.58 4.46 0.88 24.6%   78 171 116 Chile 3.78 4.38 0.60 15.9%   79 154 103 Croatia 4.32 4.36 0.04 0.9%   80 88 83 Iraq 2.91 4.26 1.35 46.4%   81 189 145 Reunion 4.12 4.25 0.13 3.2%   82 109 86 Serbia 5.66 4.23 -1.43 -25.3%   83 43 43 Hong Kong 5.98 4.22 -1.76 -29.4%   84 41 36 Bosnia and Herzegovina 3.28 4.15 0.87 26.5%   85 170 122 Argentina 3.84 4.12 0.28 7.3%   86 123 91 Romania 4.23 4.10 -0.13 -3.1%   87 72 77 Maldives 1.60 4.06 2.46 153.8%   88 204 199 Switzerland 6.07 4.02 -2.05 -33.8%   89 35 24 Barbados 4.35 4.00 -0.35 -8.0%   90 66 72 Algeria 2.67 3.99 1.32 49.4%   91 187 149 Portugal 6.38 3.96 -2.42 -37.9%   92 32 18 Thailand 2.75 3.89 1.14 41.5%   93 182 139 Latvia 2.96 3.88 0.92 31.1%   94 172 127 Bonaire Sint Eustatius and Saba 5.11 3.87 -1.24 -24.3%   95 48 45 Liechtenstein 6.56 3.86 -2.70 -41.2%   96 28 15 Guyana 2.30 3.84 1.54 67.0%   97 191 165 Marshall Islands 1.82 3.78 1.96 107.7%   98 199 187 Azerbaijan 3.60 3.73 0.13 3.6%   99 108 87 Uzbekistan 4.85 3.57 -1.28 -26.4%   100 47 41 Mauritius 2.21 3.44 1.23 55.7%   101 185 157 Sweden 6.19 3.42 -2.77 -44.7%   102 25 11 Kosovo 4.10 3.40 -0.70 -17.1%   103 61 59 Vietnam 0.67 3.34 2.67 398.5%   104 209 215 Malta 6.28 3.27 -3.01 -47.9%   105 22 9 North Macedonia 5.89 3.26 -2.63 -44.7%   106 30 12 Mexico 4.05 3.21 -0.84 -20.7%   107 56 53 Equatorial Guinea 0.90 3.20 2.30 255.6%   108 203 212 French Polynesia 2.28 3.12 0.84 36.8%   109 168 133 Panama 1.91 2.99 1.08 56.5%   110 179 158 Georgia 1.06 2.93 1.87 176.4%   111 198 201 Venezuela 6.22 2.83 -3.39 -54.5%   112 17 4 Laos 0.18 2.80 2.62 1455.6%   113 207 219 Montenegro 2.40 2.79 0.39 16.3%   114 141 104 Jamaica 3.95 2.72 -1.23 -31.1%   115 49 32 Saint Lucia 2.18 2.70 0.52 23.9%   116 148 114 Dominican Republic 2.22 2.60 0.38 17.1%   117 137 106 Tunisia 1.99 2.58 0.59 29.6%   118 153 125 Grenada 1.77 2.56 0.79 44.6%   119 167 142 Saint Helena 1.82 2.54 0.72 39.6%   120 164 138 Botswana 2.19 2.51 0.32 14.6%   121 127 99 Gabon 3.67 2.44 -1.23 -33.5%   123 50 25 Armenia 1.10 2.44 1.34 121.8%   122 188 197 Wallis and Futuna 1.74 2.39 0.65 37.4%   124 156 134 Ecuador 1.63 2.32 0.69 42.3%   125 159 141 Jordan 3.01 2.30 -0.71 -23.6%   126 60 47 Egypt 1.97 2.28 0.31 15.7%   128 125 101 Brazil 1.93 2.28 0.35 18.1%   127 133 107 Indonesia 1.29 2.26 0.97 75.2%   129 174 170 French Guiana 3.11 2.19 -0.92 -29.6%   131 55 35 Dominica 1.50 2.19 0.69 46.0%   130 158 144 North Korea 2.96 2.17 -0.79 -26.7%   132 57 39 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 1.29 2.05 0.76 58.9%   133 166 159 Uruguay 1.60 1.97 0.37 23.1%   134 136 112 Cuba 2.32 1.96 -0.36 -15.5%   136 65 61 Bhutan 0.65 1.96 1.31 201.5%   135 186 208 Bolivia 0.99 1.93 0.94 94.9%   137 173 183 India 0.92 1.93 1.01 109.8%   138 177 189 Morocco 1.16 1.90 0.74 63.8%   139 165 162 Macao 3.78 1.87 -1.91 -50.5%   140 36 7 Moldova 0.84 1.83 0.99 117.9%   141 176 196 Colombia 1.43 1.78 0.35 24.5%   142 135 115 Belize 1.65 1.72 0.07 4.2%   143 100 89 Peru 1.13 1.67 0.54 47.8%   144 149 147 Tonga 0.93 1.65 0.72 77.4%   145 163 173 Albania 0.95 1.62 0.67 70.5%   146 157 166 Fiji 0.98 1.59 0.61 62.2%   147 155 161 Namibia 0.88 1.59 0.71 80.7%   148 162 176 Costa Rica 1.36 1.52 0.16 11.8%   149 112 95 Kyrgyzstan 0.93 1.43 0.50 53.8%   150 147 155 Micronesia (country) 1.61 1.40 -0.21 -13.0%   151 69 65 Samoa 0.78 1.34 0.56 71.8%   152 150 168 Paraguay 0.70 1.28 0.58 82.9%   154 152 177 Congo 0.15 1.28 1.13 753.3%   153 180 218 Syria 3.10 1.27 -1.83 -59.0%   156 38 3 Philippines 0.93 1.27 0.34 36.6%   155 130 132 Guatemala 0.83 1.15 0.32 38.6%   158 128 135 Cambodia 0.16 1.15 0.99 618.8%   157 175 217 El Salvador 0.95 1.14 0.19 20.0%   160 116 109 Cape Verde 0.65 1.14 0.49 75.4%   159 146 171 Honduras 0.76 1.06 0.30 39.5%   161 124 137 Tajikistan 0.36 1.06 0.70 194.4%   162 161 205 Lesotho 0.93 1.00 0.07 7.5%   163 96 92 Pakistan 0.68 0.99 0.31 45.6%   164 126 143 Sri Lanka 0.54 0.95 0.41 75.9%   165 142 172 Eswatini 1.17 0.91 -0.26 -22.2%   166 68 50 Mauritania 0.41 0.89 0.48 117.1%   167 145 195 Mayotte 1.03 0.86 -0.17 -16.5%   168 70 60 Papua New Guinea 0.48 0.86 0.38 79.2%   169 138 175 Senegal 0.40 0.81 0.41 102.5%   170 143 186 Nicaragua 0.73 0.74 0.01 1.4%   171 83 85 Zimbabwe 1.17 0.71 -0.46 -39.3%   173 62 16 Tuvalu 0.76 0.71 -0.05 -6.6%   172 74 74 Myanmar 0.22 0.67 0.45 204.5%   174 144 209 Ghana 0.31 0.65 0.34 109.7%   175 131 188 Nigeria 0.64 0.64 0.00 0.0%   176 79 79 Angola 0.58 0.62 0.04 6.9%   177 87 90 Palestine 0.53 0.60 0.07 13.2%   179 95 97 Benin 0.21 0.60 0.39 185.7%   178 140 203 Sao Tome and Principe 0.33 0.59 0.26 78.8%   180 121 174 Kiribati 0.37 0.56 0.19 51.4%   182 117 154 East Timor 0.18 0.56 0.38 211.1%   181 139 210 Vanuatu 0.44 0.55 0.11 25.0%   184 106 120 Bangladesh 0.21 0.55 0.34 161.9%   183 132 200 Nepal 0.12 0.47 0.35 291.7%   185 134 213 Sudan 0.19 0.46 0.27 142.1%   186 122 198 Solomon Islands 0.52 0.45 -0.07 -13.5%   187 73 64 Cote d'Ivoire 0.38 0.43 0.05 13.2%   188 90 96 Zambia 0.18 0.39 0.21 116.7%   189 118 194 Yemen 0.78 0.38 -0.40 -51.3%   190 63 6 Kenya 0.34 0.37 0.03 8.8%   191 85 93 Comoros 0.19 0.36 0.17 89.5%   192 113 181 Guinea 0.18 0.36 0.18 100.0%   193 115 185 Djibouti 0.49 0.34 -0.15 -30.6%   195 71 33 Cameroon 0.22 0.34 0.12 54.5%   194 107 156 Afghanistan 0.05 0.30 0.25 500.0%   196 120 216 Togo 0.27 0.27 0.00 0.0%   197 80 80 Burkina Faso 0.09 0.26 0.17 188.9%   198 114 204 Haiti 0.20 0.25 0.05 25.0%   200 89 119 Gambia 0.19 0.25 0.06 31.6%   199 94 128 Eritrea 0.25 0.23 -0.02 -8.0%   201 78 73 Liberia 0.14 0.23 0.09 64.3%   202 102 163 Mozambique 0.07 0.22 0.15 214.3%   203 111 211 Tanzania 0.07 0.21 0.14 200.0%   204 110 207 Mali 0.09 0.19 0.10 111.1%   205 104 190 Guinea-Bissau 0.12 0.17 0.05 41.7%   206 93 140 Madagascar 0.12 0.15 0.03 25.0%   208 86 118 South Sudan 0.08 0.15 0.07 87.5%   210 97 180 Sierra Leone 0.07 0.15 0.08 114.3%   209 101 191 Ethiopia 0.05 0.15 0.10 200.0%   207 103 206 Rwanda 0.06 0.13 0.07 116.7%   211 98 192 Uganda 0.06 0.13 0.07 116.7%   212 99 193 Chad 0.06 0.11 0.05 83.3%   213 91 178 Niger 0.06 0.11 0.05 83.3%   214 92 179 Malawi 0.08 0.08 0.00 0.0%   215 81 81 Burundi 0.04 0.06 0.02 50.0%   216 84 151 Central African Republic 0.06 0.04 -0.02 -33.3%   217 76 26 Somalia 0.06 0.04 -0.02 -33.3%   218 77 27 Democratic Republic of Congo 0.02 0.03 0.01 50.0%   219 82 150

 

[ohchaucer 1,444]

Apologies if the above longcats for everyone. Something got f’ed in my reply and so it embedded weird.

To summarize, people who “but what about” climate change are petulant and willfully ignorant, selfish fucks relying on the logic of a spoiled five year old. Or, more concisely, modern Republicans.

[mchookem 16,769]

wait wtf fatty is now moving to Colorado?? gotdammit.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by mchookem

[fattyflattie 4,640]

Don’t worry, I wouldn’t be taking your vote or anything. Plans have changed and we’re looking for a place for summers and winters instead of windblown oaks and coastal sunsets. Still too many ties to Texas to leave full time.  But to your point, there’s at least 2 other couples on my street/wives wine group exploring it (in fairness one grew up with second ski home there) and my neighbor just bought a place last year.   This blastfurnace really makes you think the cooler places won’t get any cheaper going forward.  So we’ll see how it goes. 

[elfenix 34,752]

Fatty setting up a swinger colony in Colorado was not on my bingo card

[fattyflattie 4,640]

Don’t know why I can’t quote @elfenix. The wife can be adventurous, but not that much. But she has always hated the heat, and now it’s just getting worse and worse.  Her idea of retirement was was always a cooler climate, unlike mine.  Happy wife, happy something or other.  

[gmr548 16,701]

I gotta say, "conservative Americans are opposed to measures to mitigate climate change because they're concerned for the environmental destruction carried out in Africa and India" is a new line of bullshit I never thought I'd see.

Really? It’s been around since the Prius hit the market.

[gmr548 16,701]

Well, I had you pinned for much older.  Maybe it’s something other than your unfounded self righteousness and whining that made me think boomer, who knows?
You understand I’ve not been without at least one since I was 15?  
The boat meme you think is funny is about my end goal of owning a very large, very expensive, very fuel inefficient one. The joke is so very funny though.  I know, how about one about guns? Ha. Ha. Ha.    

The predictable part is your immediate jump to personal attacks; there is no need for that. The heat sucks this year, I get it.  I’ve been working my entire life to have a place on the coast, and now that it’s time, it’s all stop and now looking more and more like Colorado.  Pretty fucking disheartening.   But, as long as we are leading the world in restrictions, who cares!!1!1. 

Who is restricting you from buying property on the coast?

[Biff Tannen 46,168]

WTF is going on with the formatting on this thread?  It's the only one.  Is it just me?

[fattyflattie 4,640]

I think post #2389 borked it.  It also won’t let me quote anyone. @gmr548 for the last several years we’ve been looking for a second home, which for me was always going to be Rockport.   Harvey pretty much fucked that plan up ($$$$$) for a bit, but new plans were made and everything has been coming together nicely. Wife has now decided she loves the cold more than she’s ever let on.  Then the kids fell in love with skiing.  Then blastfurnace has been intensifying.  Now a load of her friends are starting to travel north every summer and winter, and neighbor bought 30 acres of beautiful land, and are there several times a year.  So, wife’s wants have changed.  Not sure where it’ll go from here but looking a lot less like KA and more mountainy.  
 

[gmr548 16,701]

Well, I had you pinned for much older.  Maybe it’s something other than your unfounded self righteousness and whining that made me think boomer, who knows?
You understand I’ve not been without at least one since I was 15?  
The boat meme you think is funny is about my end goal of owning a very large, very expensive, very fuel inefficient one. The joke is so very funny though.  I know, how about one about guns? Ha. Ha. Ha.    

The predictable part is your immediate jump to personal attacks; there is no need for that. The heat sucks this year, I get it.  I’ve been working my entire life to have a place on the coast, and now that it’s time, it’s all stop and now looking more and more like Colorado.  Pretty fucking disheartening.   But, as long as we are leading the world in restrictions, who cares!!1!1. 

I think post #2389 borked it.  It also won’t let me quote anyone. [mention=3335]gmr548[/mention] for the last several years we’ve been looking for a second home, which for me was always going to be Rockport.   Harvey pretty much fucked that plan up ($$$$$) for a bit, but new plans were made and everything has been coming together nicely. Wife has now decided she loves the cold more than she’s ever let on.  Then the kids fell in love with skiing.  Then blastfurnace has been intensifying.  Now a load of her friends are starting to travel north every summer and winter, and neighbor bought 30 acres of beautiful land, and are there several times a year.  So, wife’s wants have changed.  Not sure where it’ll go from here but looking a lot less like KA and more mountainy.  
 

So I ask again, what world-leading restriction is stopping you from buying coastal property?

There’s only one party imposing restrictions here and it’s not a local, state, or federal governmental entity.

[fattyflattie 4,640]

I don’t see how you are tying that sentence together, so maybe it’s a grammatical issue.   Personally, we are changing plans. 

[Post Oak 20,568]

Could be nothing. Could be a huge step.

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