Joe Biden 2022: Enter Dark Brandon

['stache 21815]

1 minute ago, Gengs1 said:

This is really good but I think it will backfire and lose ppl who would have voted D because of of the propaganda of free money and pay your loans 

"Free stuff!" How very original. His campaign promise was $10K and that's what he's delivering. Some progressives will always be mad, and that's fine, I'm with them in a lot of respects, but I don't hate on the democrats or Biden. I wan't more progressive policies, but I'll take anything that goes that direction as a positive.

[Js1 85336]

Just now, 'stache said:

"Free stuff!" How very original. His campaign promise was $10K and that's what he's delivering. Some progressives will always be mad, and that's fine, I'm with them in a lot of respects, but I don't hate on the democrats or Biden. I wan't more progressive policies, but I'll take anything that goes that direction as a positive.

If this turns people against Joe Biden/Dems, after he literally campaigned on it, then they weren't going to vote for him or Dems again for a myriad of reasons and just want to bitch and moan. 

[Js1 85336]

Btw, Joe Biden is really co-opting that bullshit Trump slogan.

This is what "promises made, promises kept" really looks like. 

[Earl Haffler 591]

People who don't live up to their financial commitments and rely on government hand-outs are losers.  Just sayin'.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[bonnieblue 542]

It’s funny how these people never complain about “free stuff” that goes in the pockets of corporations and the extremely wealthy. It’s been proven time and time again that this “free stuff” doesn’t do anything for the economy, but when we invest in our own people, that’s when people start complaining about unfairness.

If we’re going to complain, why not complain to the boomers/gen x about the enormous schools cost that younger gens had to incur as a direct result of the policies they supported that destroyed affordable higher education (that they were beneficiaries of) for generations to come. That’s unfair.

At the end of the day, I honestly think that the majority of people in this country would much prefer that their neighbor’s life be worse than their own than to equally improve both of their lives, and that’s so depressing. We’re a nation of selfish cunts.

[washparkhorn 9939]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

If this turns people against Joe Biden/Dems, after he literally campaigned on it, then they weren't going to vote for him or Dems again for a myriad of reasons and just want to bitch and moan. 

Cocky without a cause. Every vote counts. Humility is a virtue, not a vice. 
 

Show the economics to prove why there is virtue in this action. It is not difficult:

 

[wildcat09 29354]

This is good policy and good politics. Anyone worried about voters bailing on Biden over this should be more worried about how many younger voters would've stayed home had he done nothing. 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2833]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is good policy and good politics. Anyone worried about voters bailing on Biden over this should be more worried about how many younger voters would've stayed home had he done nothing. 

Since I'm one of the long in the tooth surly moderates, I will say that I wish Liz Warren would just stop crowing about the debt forgiveness.  This is one I think that sells best when progressives are grousing a bit about it not going far enough.

[Gengs1 2583]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is good policy and good politics. Anyone worried about voters bailing on Biden over this should be more worried about how many younger voters would've stayed home had he done nothing. 

Old ppl vote and young ppl have usually been absent on voting in large number, that changed in 2020, hopefully they have substantial voter turnout to celebrate the benefits they are getting.

 

[Native Horn 3504]

35 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Hope you didn't claim him as a dependent... otherwise will be under your income bracket

Nope, not a dependent, but that is an important point.  Thanks for that, seriously.

[Native Horn 3504]

20 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

People who don't live up to their financial commitments and rely on government hand-outs are losers.  Just sayin'.

Pretty sure you are joking.  Pretty ballsy to borrow money from the government and expect it to be forgiven (ergot, never intending upon relying on government hand-outs). But if not, Goodbye Earl.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

26 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

People who don't live up to their financial commitments and rely on government hand-outs are losers.  Just sayin'.

I'll trade you a used mailbag for some student loan forgiveness.

[Voldemort86 2259]

19 minutes ago, bonnieblue said:

It’s funny how these people never complain about “free stuff” that goes in the pockets of corporations and the extremely wealthy. It’s been proven time and time again that this “free stuff” doesn’t do anything for the economy, but when we invest in our own people, that’s when people start complaining about unfairness.

If we’re going to complain, why not complain to the boomers/gen x about the enormous schools cost that younger gens had to incur as a direct result of the policies they supported that destroyed affordable higher education (that they were beneficiaries of) for generations to come. That’s unfair.

At the end of the day, I honestly think that the majority of people in this country would much prefer that their neighbor’s life be worse than their own than to equally improve both of their lives, and that’s so depressing. We’re a nation of selfish cunts.

Oklahoma didn’t turn down “ free stuff” when a tornado decimated one of their major cities. Texas didn’t turn down “ free stuff” when hurricane Harvey turned Houston into a lake.

Representatives from the states listed above voted against hurricane sandy relief for people in the northeast. Ted Cruz used the excuse that the bill was loaded with dem pork, but he lies 99% of the time anyway so who will believe him besides MAGA idiots? The “ hard worker” mentality is generally seen as a positive thing in our culture, but it has its drawbacks.

everyone on the internet and probably in real life as well likes to pretend that they are the only ones working their ass off while everyone around them is collecting government checks. They want nobody to get a free ride, but you never truly know your other peoples situation. Would you really want your neighbor who is debilitated with multi sclerosis to be denied benefits or disability if they can’t walk? Probably half of Americans would say screw him and his life choices, but they’re ignorant because MS is an auto immune disease. It’s not your fault if your body literally attacks itself.

 

your average American is very stupid, ignorant, and selfish. It’s sad, but that’s just the way it is. 

[Biff Tannen 45685]

27 minutes ago, bonnieblue said:

At the end of the day, I honestly think that the majority of people in this country would much prefer that their neighbor’s life be worse than their own than to equally improve both of their lives, and that’s so depressing. We’re a nation of selfish cunts.

[4th&Five 41551]

[Js1 85336]

Whines about student loans 

Took PPP without hesitation

 

The “right people” got PPP bc Trump did it. The wrong people are getting SL forgiveness bc a Dem did it. 

[Neonmoon 38129]

I want free money. I just don't want other people to have free money. 

[Voldemort86 2259]

Eww that crowder idiot is from Texas. 

['stache 21815]

It will always astonish me how they get away with that hypocritical shit so easily with their fanbases.

[Gengs1 2583]

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

The Dems need to hammer this part by shitposting but they don’t have such a team 

[Voldemort86 2259]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I want free money. I just don't want other people to have free money. 

The biggest hypocrite of all?
 

Grover norquist. He sucked up that government aid with a straw for himself and his businesses, but then he turned around and personally wrote a letter to trump while he was president to take away peoples unemployment benefits because those people need to go out, work hard, and put their lives on the line while Grover sits on his fat ugly ass at home and waits it out. 

[Sawbonz 27561]

38 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

People who don't live up to their financial commitments and rely on government hand-outs are losers.  Just sayin'.

Yeah Wall Street and the auto industry are the worst right?

[Vegas64 675]

Sucks that it was means tested, but hey, it's a step in the right direction. And I agree that probably there was actuary concerns that could have made this unwieldy and cost prohibitive even going from income of 125k to 150k as the previous poster mentioned.

I wonder why it wasn't just 10k cut across the board no matter what. That was my expectation and hope, at least.

[UTGrad98 2273]

Sorry but this rubs me the wrong way.  I have paid off 2 sets of student  loans in my life.  The first was for 40k back in early 2000s.  I took on a second job and paid off 2k a month for 20 months so I know people can pay these loans off. My family was poor as shit but I didn't want this debt hanging over me and my life so I did something about it.  If it wasn't for roe being overturned this would probably at the very least keep me from voting dem ticket this year and in 2024.  There is such a thing as personal responsibility.. Even in your 20s. 

[babysdaddy 2724]

This is good policy and good politics. Anyone worried about voters bailing on Biden over this should be more worried about how many younger voters would've stayed home had he done nothing. 

Obamas former economic policy advisor disagrees

[Js1 85336]

Kudos to you, but I really don't care about everyone's personal "I paid off my loans so everyone else should too!" anecdote. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Js1

[GopherRock 1765]

"I suffered, therefore you should too" is not, and never has been, a good answer.

[Js1 85336]

Just now, GopherRock said:

"I suffered, therefore you should too" is not, and never has been, a good answer.

We'd never have any advancement in medicine and disease treatments/cures with this philosophy.  Or technology.  

[safe sex 11727]

10 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Sorry but this rubs me the wrong way.  I have paid off 2 sets of student  loans in my life.  The first was for 40k back in early 2000s.  I took on a second job and paid off 2k a month for 20 months so I know people can pay these loans off. My family was poor as shit but I didn't want this debt hanging over me and my life so I did something about it.  If it wasn't for roe being overturned this would probably at the very least keep me from voting dem ticket this year and in 2024.  There is such a thing as personal responsibility.. Even in your 20s. 

It rubs you so wrong that you would withhold your vote against the fascist threat in America? There is such a thing as personal responsibility, even past your 20s

Edited August 24, 2022 by trauma babe

['stache 21815]

Social security too. "My parents died of starvation when they got too old to work so everyone else should have to face that too."

[Post Oak 20213]

28 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

You can't shame the shameless

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

15 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Biden’s Border Patrol putting in work. 

 

all that weed...

13 hours ago, trauma babe said:

What a waste of weed

srsly

[Biff Tannen 45685]

3 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

It rubs you so wrong that you would withhold your vote against the fascist threat in America? There is such a thing as personal responsibility, even in your 40s.

This. Being so upset that someone is not going to have to pay $10k that it causes you to vote for fascism (to be fair, he said Roe is still going to keep him on the D side) is a giant titty baby statement. Come on man. It’s 10 grand. Sounds like you are doing fine. This does not affect you. 

[Incredulity 11671]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Social security too. "My parents died of starvation when they got too old to work so everyone else should have to face that too."

You pay into social security.  How is that related to this?

[Biff Tannen 45685]

4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Social security too. "My parents died of starvation when they got too old to work so everyone else should have to face that too."

I often think about this when imagining pre-social security times. Think how many old people just wasted away alone and died awful deaths in the early 1900s (and before of course). Just brutal. 

[chainsaw 9868]

27 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Eww that crowder idiot is from Texas. 

he's canadian originally. any canadian who resettles in texas should be deported as a precaution.

[safe sex 11727]

The whole "personal responsibility" thing drives me insane, as it was our fucking parents who abandoned theirs when it came to...well, most of the problems that are currently strangling my generation. Millennials deserve a complete fucking reset.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

2 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

The whole "personal responsibility" thing drives me insane, as it was our fucking parents who abandoned theirs when it came to...well, most of the problems that are currently strangling my generation. Millennials deserve a complete fucking reset.

Especially when it comes from R voters. There is no more hypocritical statement in existence for them. 

[Dahobbs 17534]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

You pay into social security.  How is that related to this?

Social Security is generally a windfall for most people. You pay in something. But it is not 100% of what you receive. That overage is economically the same thing as loan forgiveness. 

Edited August 24, 2022 by Dahobbs

[Js1 85336]

1 minute ago, trauma babe said:

The whole "personal responsibility" thing drives me insane, as it was our fucking parents who abandoned theirs when it came to...well, most of the problems that are currently strangling my generation. Millennials deserve a complete fucking reset.

Can't build wealth, because we had shitty job prospects after college because of a GOP-caused recession
Ton of student debt, because of GOP-created deregulation of tuition

Now what, the GOP wants to make SS discretionary, so they can ensure we don't get that when we're old

We got the short end of that fucking stick, for sure. 

[Voldemort86 2259]

4 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

The whole "personal responsibility" thing drives me insane, as it was our fucking parents who abandoned theirs when it came to...well, most of the problems that are currently strangling my generation. Millennials deserve a complete fucking reset.

Millennials got hosed.

The cost of things like college and affordable housing exploded right when we became adults. Jobs were outsourced at the worst possible time when baby boomers were refusing to retire and millennials were trying to break into the work force.

[Incredulity 11671]

4 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Social Security is generally a windfall for most people. You pay in something. But it is not 100% of what you receive. That overage is economically the same thing as loan forgiveness. 

Got it.

Do you have any sources for the latest on payouts vs. contributions? Googling is pretty futile.

[chainsaw 9868]

3 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Millennials got hosed.

The cost of things like college and affordable housing exploded right when we became adults. Jobs were outsourced at the worst possible time when baby boomers were refusing to retire and millennials were trying to break into the work force.

Yeah but did you really need all that avocado toast and hookup culture?

['stache 21815]

17 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

You pay into social security.  How is that related to this?

When it was enacted old people got benefits without having paid into the system. And as someone pointed out "paying into the system" isn't like a checking account or 401K. What I make this month is taxed and that money goes directly to an old person, not a savings account.

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

37 minutes ago, UTGrad98 said:

Sorry but this rubs me the wrong way.  I have paid off 2 sets of student  loans in my life.  The first was for 40k back in early 2000s.  I took on a second job and paid off 2k a month for 20 months so I know people can pay these loans off. My family was poor as shit but I didn't want this debt hanging over me and my life so I did something about it.  If it wasn't for roe being overturned this would probably at the very least keep me from voting dem ticket this year and in 2024.  There is such a thing as personal responsibility.. Even in your 20s. 

You sound like a miserable shit. 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

keep in mind that the beneficiaries of this are predominantly people that have had to deal with outrageous costs of college of recent vintage.

i was in school until 2005, which means I just hit deregulated tuition, but didn't have it for most of my time.  giving me relief (that I got in the front end because regulated tuition) is a very different thing than helping people that have been subject to the outrageous pricing recently.

the details are different state by state, school by school, but one consistent thing is that college way outpaces inflation everywhere.  so don't be mad you weren't helped out.  this just evens the playing field to the cheap education we got.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

[chainsaw 9868]

Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

FOH with your facts and data. It's the avocado toast.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2833]

18 minutes ago, Voldemort86 said:

Millennials got hosed.

Yeah, but they got tinder, so it evens out.