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[gmr548 16702]

The majority of increasing tuition costs at public college/universities is directly attributable to cuts in state funding. This is well documented but for some reason people still want to pedal the student loan money or nice dorm narrative. It’s just not even worth arguing about.

[Gourmand 7778]

20 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

The majority of increasing tuition costs at public college/universities is directly attributable to cuts in state funding. This is well documented but for some reason people still want to pedal the student loan money or nice dorm narrative. It’s just not even worth arguing about.

Exactly, and this coincides with increased deregulation of for-profit private schools and universities but for some reason there are many who think the availability of low-interest student loans from the federal government is the driving force behind tuition increases. No.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Gourmand

[fattyflattie 4640]

2 hours ago, Bookman said:

Commie.

Far from it. And there are some major things that could be corrected in regards to our agriculture. But if you care about the less fortunate at all, you’ll want some systems in place to protect them. 

[gmr548 16702]

Exactly, and this coincides with increased deregulation of for-profit private schools and universities but for some reason there are many who think the availability of low-interest student loans from the federal government is the driving force behind tuition increases. No.

For profit schools absolutely exist simply to siphon federal loan money. On that front I don’t argue it. I’m talking specifically public institutions, which is the only arena of college cost where the government has control.

[Gourmand 7778]

7 hours ago, Bravo said:

So throwing money at that problem didn't work either? 

Yes, it worked well as one measure of preventing the economy from collapsing, saving millions of jobs and businesses in the process. It also worked well for further enriching big businesses that weren't in dire existential straits and probably didn't need that money as desperately as  other smaller businesses. Even better is guaranteeing more of that money find its way to the workers whose jobs it was supposed to protect. Inaction would have been the worst solution to the problem.

 

[workswithseed 2204]

3 hours ago, Bookman said:

Commie.

You're thinking of Holodomor. They were the ones starving.

[CooterBrown 18289]

13 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don't believe most employers give a fuck right now.  

The only ones that do are those that are bound by DOT rules requiring them. Pipeline operators, etc.  Any company would be happy to give up the expense of testing.

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

Far from it. And there are some major things that could be corrected in regards to our agriculture. But if you care about the less fortunate at all, you’ll want some systems in place to protect them. 

So you are for universal healthcare?  That is literally what you just typed above or is it you want people protected as far as being able to eat but not being able to get medical care?

[F250 29203]

7 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I'm not sure we want food to be free market.  Talk about people starving on the streets. 

[F250 29203]

3 hours ago, Bookman said:

Commie.

That's some Stalin level thinking he just posted. Collectivize agriculture!

 

 

[Anastasis 23724]

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The majority of increasing tuition costs at public college/universities is directly attributable to cuts in state funding. This is well documented but for some reason people still want to pedal the student loan money or nice dorm narrative. It’s just not even worth arguing about.

Any sense of the impacts from administrative costs, compliance related costs, and other related costs that have been rising over the last few decades relative to reductions in state funding?

It seems like a complex multi-faceted problem that can't be explained by any one thing in isolation.   

[Brisketexan 106962]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Any sense of the impacts from administrative costs, compliance related costs, and other related costs that have been rising over the last few decades relative to reductions in state funding?

It seems like a complex multi-faceted problem that can't be explained by any one thing in isolation.   

Yeah.....that argument would make a lot more sense if similar rises in tuition didn't also track for private universities, that never had and thus never lost state funding.  I agree that the loss of state funding is a material part of the picture for state universities, but there's a whole lot more contributing to the rise in tuition across the board.

[fattyflattie 4640]

31 minutes ago, F250 said:

That's some Stalin level thinking he just posted. Collectivize agriculture!

 

 

It’s not collective agriculture, and there are already govt assisted pricing and protections in place.  It’s a large reason corn is 10x what the price is now. You are under the impression our ag market is a completely free market?  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

The majority of increasing tuition costs at public college/universities is directly attributable to cuts in state funding. This is well documented but for some reason people still want to pedal the student loan money or nice dorm narrative. It’s just not even worth arguing about.

Is this even true?  According to this chart inflation adjusted state funding per student has increased since 1980 (this is Texas).

 

I will look for stats across the country.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Johnny Sack

[fattyflattie 4640]

56 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

So you are for universal healthcare?  That is literally what you just typed above or is it you want people protected as far as being able to eat but not being able to get medical care?

Anyone in this country can walk into an ER and be seen. That’s a far cry from not being able to afford food.  I’m sure your well traveled and have seen first hand some of the places that doesn’t ensure their people eat.  Boutique healthcare is way down their list of give a fuck at that point. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by fattyflattie

[Brisketexan 106962]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Anyone in this country can walk into an ER and be seen.

Which is literally the worst of all possible worlds.  This should be a bipartisan no-brainer.

1 -- we agree that people shouldn't die, locked out of a hospital when they need acute care.  We have set up our system at every turn to make sure that doesn't happen - in every state, etc.

2 -- so, we have a system that takes care of them.....in the worst, "after-the-fact," most expensive way.

I'ma suggest a new item.....

3 -- since 1 is a universal goal, how about we address it with a system that is NOT the worst, after-the-fact, most expensive way?  Like, you know, a uniform, baseline system of care, including preventative care and basic primary care, accessible to all?

But we won't.  Because SOCIALISM!  Even though we already HAVE the functional equivalent, so long as you walk through the ER door.  Dumbest.  Fucking.  Timeline.

[Brisketexan 106962]

Also, I hate any time I am nodding my head along with the crowd that's talking about rising tuition costs not being terribly tied to cuts in state funding, but here we are.

And the solution doesn't have to be a value judgment about the value of particular majors or such -- we don't need a "you can only borrow $100 for a degree in poetry and literature, but you can borrow $100k for a degree in computer science."  Tuition is functionally the same for both.

Instead, we should have readily accessible student loan dollars around.....but the amount should be capped.  NOBODY should be going $100k into debt by the time they are 22.  Nobody.  And they don't need to.  Cap loans at something like $15k per year (I haven't run the numbers, I'm sure we can come up with a good one).  That way, a university can raise their tuition as much as they want, but they won't get paid for it, because the cash won't be there.  So, they'll have an incentive to keep tuition closer to what its students can actually afford, using their own and borrowed dollars.

If you make a spigot of cash available -- and there are a LOT of good reasons to do so when it comes to education -- you need to put limits on it, otherwise you are creating a bad inflationary feedback loop of "unending supply of cash leads to increasing prices" that has been known since the invention of money.

[fattyflattie 4640]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Which is literally the worst of all possible worlds.  This should be a bipartisan no-brainer.

1 -- we agree that people shouldn't die, locked out of a hospital when they need acute care.  We have set up our system at every turn to make sure that doesn't happen - in every state, etc.

2 -- so, we have a system that takes care of them.....in the worst, "after-the-fact," most expensive way.

I'ma suggest a new item.....

3 -- since 1 is a universal goal, how about we address it with a system that is NOT the worst, after-the-fact, most expensive way?  Like, you know, a uniform, baseline system of care, including preventative care and basic primary care, accessible to all?

But we won't.  Because SOCIALISM!  Even though we already HAVE the functional equivalent, so long as you walk through the ER door.  Dumbest.  Fucking.  Timeline.

I think these ideas will gain a lot more traction if/when everyone starts to contribute to income tax.  When such a large portion of our society commit so little (to nothing), it’s a hard sell, imo.  The top earners and contributors have insurance already.  Their families have insurance. Their friends have insurance.  

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19307]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I think these ideas will gain a lot more traction if/when everyone starts to contribute to income tax.  When such a large portion of our society commit so little (to nothing), it’s a hard sell, imo.  The top earners and contributors have insurance already.  Their families have insurance. Their friends have insurance.  

Everyone already contributes via the social security tax, or are you of the opinion that social security is a lock box tax?  Cause I hate to break it to you, but it isn't.  FYI, Trump who is an alleged billionaire has paid less in federal income taxes over the last 10 years than I have.  And that is not in percentage, but actual dollars.  

[Goofyboy 3434]

I think these ideas will gain a lot more traction if/when everyone starts to contribute to income tax.  When such a large portion of our society commit so little (to nothing), it’s a hard sell, imo.  The top earners and contributors have insurance already.  Their families have insurance. Their friends have insurance.  

The majority would save money with universal.l and a tax increase over paying for insurance. Study after study after study have shown this. We are the only industrialized nation to not have universal health care. We are not doing it right.

Oh, and for your friends that have insurance - what happens when they lose their job? Cobra at a very expensive cost. How many people are trapped in a job because they are saddled with having to keep insurance for their kid.

Oh, and our costs for drugs are still insane. I was dropping $900 a year on epi-pens. $875 of “technology” with $2.00 of epinephrine. Insurance and our medical care work does not work for the majority of Americans.

[Gourmand 7778]

49 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Just responding to your original response where you appeared to be complaining about it and didn't like it. Then I call you out and it and your tune changes on it as working well now. OK buddy. 

"nothing to say about the 880 BILLION DOLLARS in PPP loans that overwhelmingly did not go  to workers and a fat chunk of that has been forgiven by the federal government. But when it comes to individual citizens getting a break, personal fiscal responsibility is your guiding light."

This is not the self-own you think it is.

[Biff Tannen 46182]

9 hours ago, Bravo said:

So throwing money at that problem didn't work either? 

Man, even for you, this is some disingenuous shit.

[Brisketexan 106962]

14 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I think these ideas will gain a lot more traction if/when everyone starts to contribute to income tax.  When such a large portion of our society commit so little (to nothing), it’s a hard sell, imo.  The top earners and contributors have insurance already.  Their families have insurance. Their friends have insurance.  

Except you've bought into a lie with that.

Poor people pay taxes.  Lots of them.  They pay government fees -- lots of them.  AND, as a percentage of their total income/wealth, they can be rather large.  Functionally every poor person DOES have skin in the game.

And shit, as a top earner, I want poor and middle class folks to have a decent healthcare system.  Why?  Three big fucking reasons:

1 -- in this country/economy at this time, our greatest capital asset is our people.  It's a really counterproductive approach to burn through that asset and not maintain it.  Things like decent healthcare and education do that.

2 -- Investing smarter dollars (preventative and primary healthcare, decent education) is better and cheaper than spending reactive dollars (healthcare through the ER, incarcerating people who didn't get a decent education to put them in the honest workforce, etc.).  Those are MY dollars.  I'd rather spend $1,000 of my tax payments on smart dollars, than $2,000 of my tax dollars on reactive dollars.  Spending more for worse results is.....a bad idea.

3 -- if you want a society where people give a shit about each other and feel some sense of responsibility to each other, and to society as a whole, then you have to build a society that actually and actively reflects that.  You get mad at Poor Boy Smith because he doesn't care about you, and all the hard work you do, and all the taxes you pay.  Well, why should he? You clearly don't give a shit about him.  You tell him so directly, and you tell him so by insisting on policies that treat him as worthless.  When you don't shit on people, and actually treat them like human beings worthy of being in our society, you get a whole lot more feedback of those people acting like they are treated.  This isn't some fringe-y idea.  It's humanity 101.

 

No, nothing's perfect.  No matter what we do, we'll still have someone at the bottom who is a psychopath and would rather steal from you than earn an honest living.  We will ALSO still have sociopaths at the top who make millions off of victimizing people (maybe legally, maybe illegally) en masse.  But "perfect" isn't achievable in any human world, and "if we can't make it perfect, we shouldn't do it" is no counter-argument at all.

I'm a capitalist.  I believe in investing in and maintaining our biggest capital asset.  That should resonate with every purported capitalist.

[Biff Tannen 46182]

27 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I think these ideas will gain a lot more traction if/when everyone starts to contribute to income tax.  When such a large portion of our society commit so little (to nothing), it’s a hard sell, imo.  The top earners and contributors have insurance already.  Their families have insurance. Their friends have insurance.  

Stop.  Please.  This is just not true.  I can't fathom how people have bought into this lie.  It's just not true.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

1 hour ago, Bravo said:

How in the world do you get universal healthcare out of a safety net argument? The better analogy I think you were looking for is Medicaid. 

This was his statement.

"But if you care about the less fortunate at all, you’ll want some systems in place to protect them."

  If he wants to make statements like that then he shouldn't be looking the other way when it comes to many of our citizens having access to medical care and prescription drugs for that matter.  Going to the ER is different than seeing your primary care doctor or specialist on a regular basis to control any health conditions you may have.  Also, what Brisket said about ER costs and being the worst way possible to deal with this issue is spot on.  

[Neonmoon 38130]

The rich people have convinced the middle class that the poors don't contribute anything to the pot, and therefore don't deserve anything

The middle class are too stupid to realize it's a lie. 

Here is a visual representation of the rich and the people with hearts watching the middle class vote Republican 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Neonmoon

[fattyflattie 4640]

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Poor people pay taxes.  Lots of them.  They pay government fees -- lots of them.  AND, as a percentage of their total income/wealth, they can be rather large.  Functionally every poor person DOES have skin in the game.

And shit, as a top earner, I want poor and middle class folks to have a decent healthcare system.  Why?  Three big fucking reasons:

Yes.  We all pay sales tax.  We all pay govt. fees.  I get to write a monthly property tax check larger than the entire months rent in the apartments zoned to the same fucking school.  And then a surprisingly low sect of our population get HEAVILY taxed even further.  For the same or in many times considerably less take?  Nahfuckthat.gif  

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

in this country/economy at this time, our greatest capital asset is our people. 

Our biggest capital asset are those that provide more than they take.  Financially, intellectually, providing jobs to to populous, something.  The math doesn't work the other way around. 

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Investing smarter dollars (preventative and primary healthcare, decent education) is better and cheaper than spending reactive dollars (healthcare through the ER, incarcerating people who didn't get a decent education to put them in the honest workforce, etc.).  Those are MY dollars.  I'd rather spend $1,000 of my tax payments on smart dollars, than $2,000 of my tax dollars on reactive dollars.  Spending more for worse results is.....a bad idea.

How much money does Baltimore spend on education for six of their schools to not have a SINGLE STUDENT pass a math or English test.  Money very well spent, indeed.  What were you saying about our biggest capital asset?   You know where this doesn't happen, places that are net payers of income tax.  "I'm paying XXXXX into the school system, these little brats need to learn something" <mom/dad>

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/6-baltimore-schools-no-students-proficient-in-state-tests

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You get mad at Poor Boy Smith because he doesn't care about you, and all the hard work you do, and all the taxes you pay.  Well, why should he?

He doesn't care because he doesn't know what it is to contribute. Take, take, take, like a spoiled fucking child.   Why should he care?  I don't suppose he has to, but I grew up with respect for the people who had to wipe my ass for me because I was unable.   Let's give Mr. Smith the benefit of the doubt, and he works a job somewhere that falls under the threshold.  What incentive does he have to use less?  He's not paying income tax, fuck it, let's all get some healthcare up in here.  We'll let the docs treating him pay Mr. Smith's ante.  

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I believe in investing in and maintaining our biggest capital asset.

This is fucking laughable. You believe in investing and maintaining the top 5% of our country?  Because that's far and away our biggest capital asset. 

 

44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

AND, as a percentage of their total income/wealth, they can be rather large. 

So we are taking spending habits into account now?  My wife spends a good chunk of my income and pays taxes on all that, can I get some help on tax rate now?  Didn't think so. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

27 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This was his statement.

"But if you care about the less fortunate at all, you’ll want some systems in place to protect them."

  If he wants to make statements like that then he shouldn't be looking the other way when it comes to many of our citizens having access to medical care and prescription drugs for that matter.  Going to the ER is different than seeing your primary care doctor or specialist on a regular basis to control any health conditions you may have.  Also, what Brisket said about ER costs and being the worst way possible to deal with this issue is spot on.  

Don't know how to highlight it but I underlined and italicized it for you.  You and I can both afford $25 gallon milk, and $15 bread.  I'm just telling you it would be ugly if we went to a completely free market in regards to food.  It would thin the herd real fast and in a hurry.  And I'm pretty sure no one wants to see that in US.  But we can still make funny little  communist jokes about it.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Don't know how to highlight it but I underlined and italicized it for you.  You and I can both afford $25 gallon milk, and $15 bread.  I'm just telling you it would be ugly if we went to a completely free market in regards to food.  It would thin the herd real fast and in a hurry.  And I'm pretty sure no one wants to see that in US.  But we can still make funny little  communist jokes about it.

Not arguing with you about food costs.  Just stating that if someone is concerned for the well being of others when it comes to food they should also be concerned about the well being of others when it comes to medical care.  Many Republicans seem to choose to care about only one of those when both are just as important.  Just like people that are concerned about abortions yet don't do much about the children living within a few miles of them that don't have food or other essentials.  It's kind of hypocritical. 

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 minute ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Not arguing with you about food costs.  Just stating that if someone is concerned for the well being of others when it comes to food they should also be concerned about the well being of others when it comes to medical care.  Many Republicans seem to choose to care about only one of those when both are just as important.  

While they are both important, you need food, water, and air to live.  There are people in the jungles who live without healthcare, but cant without those other essentials.  As pointed out earlier, while not ideal, NO ONE will be refused care if they show up to get it.  You and I will pay a *higher price for it, maybe, but they will not be left to die.  

Maybe I'm completely wrong and the competition would drive the costs down.  I don't think so though, I know too many farmers that buy a million bucks in tractors every 24 months for that to be true.

[fattyflattie 4640]

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

FYI, Trump who is an alleged billionaire has paid less in federal income taxes over the last 10 years than I have.  And that is not in percentage, but actual dollars.  

I know, and he's a cocksucker.  I don't know why when I say I think every single income producing person should chip in some amount of income tax, someone brings up some billionaire who's cheated the system. Fucking tax them too.  If you produce/receive income and live in US, you need to be chipping into our collective pot. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

While they are both important, you need food, water, and air to live.  There are people in the jungles who live without healthcare, but cant without those other essentials.  As pointed out earlier, while not ideal, NO ONE will be refused care if they show up to get it.  You and I will pay a *higher price for it, maybe, but they will not be left to die.  

Maybe I'm completely wrong and the competition would drive the costs down.  I don't think so though, I know too many farmers that buy a million bucks in tractors every 24 months for that to be true.

I hate to break it to you but you are an idiot.  I actually have work to do right now (so I can support the millions of people showing up at the ER as we speak to get their diabetes medication).  Anyone else on here want to let him know why the argument that people living in the jungle don't have good healthcare so it's OK to do that in the USA is strange view of the world?

[fattyflattie 4640]

2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Anyone else on here want to let him know why the argument that people living in the jungle don't have good healthcare so it's OK to do that in the USA is strange view of the world?

For such a baller, your ability to read is shit.  I didn't say it was OK to base US policy off of it.  You said food is as important as healthcare.  That is patently false, as evidenced my people across the entire world who are living, off of food, but don't have access to healthcare.  

H2O and O2 are as important as healthcare - Beantown Express 2.0  

Yeah, I'm the idiot.

Edited January 27, 2022 by fattyflattie

[workswithseed 2204]

If I have to pay for healthcare for everyone, I'll just make sure that abortion is zero. The state takes control of healthcare, I better control the state. 

[StassneyHorn 6780]

I just want to thank Joe Biden for steering us out of the abyss and into the greatest economy this world has ever seen. Standing offer for the slackjaws on here from the cabal that we are here to help you with those bootstraps if you need any.

LGB

 

[elfenix 34756]

Nm

[StassneyHorn 6780]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

If I have to pay for healthcare for everyone, I'll just make sure that abortion is zero. The state takes control of healthcare, I better control the state. 

 

[wildcat09 29595]

56 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I get to write a monthly property tax check larger than the entire months rent in the apartments zoned to the same fucking school. 

If it weren't so gross it would be really funny how much this pisses you off.

[wildcat09 29595]

I just figured it out, fatty is Joel Osteen. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I just figured it out, fatty is Joel Osteen. 

that fucking prick?

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

9 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

I just want to thank Joe Biden for steering us out of the abyss and into the greatest economy this world has ever seen. Standing offer for the slackjaws on here from the cabal that we are here to help you with those bootstraps if you need any.

LGB

 

Lmao...Joe Biden can barely steer himself to the bathroom at night to take a piss.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

Just now, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

Lmao...Joe Biden can barely steer himself to the bathroom at night to take a piss.

and yet, here we are, better off than we were a year ago. what does that say about TFG?

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

42 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

For such a baller, your ability to read is shit.  I didn't say it was OK to base US policy off of it.  You said food is as important as healthcare.  That is patently false, as evidenced my people across the entire world who are living, off of food, but don't have access to healthcare.  

H2O and O2 are as important as healthcare - Beantown Express 2.0  

Yeah, I'm the idiot.

Negged you for lying.  Where have I stated that food is equal to healthcare?  I stated that if you are concerned about others and want to help them then both food and healthcare are important to their well-being not just food.  Apparently, you have the reading comprehension issues.  You are a pretty good troll however.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

15 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

I just want to thank Joe Biden for steering us out of the abyss and into the greatest economy this world has ever seen. Standing offer for the slackjaws on here from the cabal that we are here to help you with those bootstraps if you need any.

LGB

 

Yes, we know things were closed and then opened. Thanks.

[StassneyHorn 6780]

3 minutes ago, 4doorsMoreWhores said:

Lmao...Joe Biden can barely steer himself to the bathroom at night to take a piss.

 

[StassneyHorn 6780]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Yes, we know things were closed and then opened. Thanks.

This guy thinks we shutdown

[fattyflattie 4640]

3 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Apparently, you have the reading comprehension issues.

Apparently so. 
 

3 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You are a pretty good troll however.

Not as good as of a troll as a 1% that’s got theirs and then some, but then feigns concern over the system that did that for them. 

[StassneyHorn 6780]

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

This guy thinks we shutdown

 

[4doorsMoreWhores 107]

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

 

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Is this even true?  According to this chart inflation adjusted state funding per student has increased since 1980 (this is Texas).

 

I will look for stats across the country.

Holy misleading stats Batman!

Just look at the disclaimers at the bottom of this “stat.”