2022 Poker: Ship it!

[Lurch 5922]

He needs to tweak it with some bonus for hitting 2 of them, I mean, what are the odds that TWO of those hit the flop?!?

We were having a ton of fun watching the board mock him with like JJ4 flops

There was also some discussion about how much a player could impact the game. Ie, if you were Seat 5 and were dealt J4, you were incentivized to make sure a flop was dealt, so you might flat a bet. Alternatively, if you were the other guy and got J4, you were incentivized that the flop NOT ever happen, so you would want to raise everyone out preflop. This actually effected a few hands, including one where the other guy four bet with 44 on the button to prevent a flop, only to be forced to fold to a 5 bet. He lost like $250 in action, but saved that $25!

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

So if you were sitting at that table and not involved in this side betting but understood some of the action because of this bet, would you be more or less pleased with the table and could you could exploit it for your own EV?

[Lurch 5922]

So if you were sitting at that table and not involved in this side betting but understood some of the action because of this bet, would you be more or less pleased with the table and could you could exploit it for your own EV?

I will say it was fun.

Similar to the 72 game, though, it could be problematic as players deviate from standard strategy. I personally don’t care for games that are wildly out of line as I don’t think I’m good enough to adjust properly.

I would hate to be facing a big bet and having to factor in that the player who 4bet the flop could be holding a 2 when the board comes A345J because we’re playing the 72 game.

[Lurch 5922]

I find this to be incredibly true for my poker game the last 10 years, after being ignorantly bliss the 10 years prior

[CBT 1282]

Plus you realize shits rigged.

[Lurch 5922]

$2/5 NLHE, sitting w $2000

EP opens to $20. HJ, CO, BTN, SB all call. I complete BB w 5s5c. $120 pot

4h5d7d. Checks to CO (30ish white reg dude, competent but not scary. $850 behind) who makes it $60. Folds to me and I check raise to $200. Others fold, he tank calls. $520 pot

6h. What do you bet here?

[TXSooner518 2438]

What a dickhead card. Given there is 520 in pot and he has like 600 behind I don’t think I’m willing to fold turn, due to combo of we can hit if he has straight and he could get it in bluffing or semibluffing. So I’m gonna target making a bet that he is tempted to call with 99 or TT etc. I’d bet 160 which leaves a half pot jam on river.

[Lurch 5922]

What do you think about a larger bet to make sure draws pay a premium

[TXSooner518 2438]

I’d prefer to target getting value since the parlay of him having a flush draw and it coming is pretty remote. If he has a flush draw 1/4 of the time he’s going to improve to a winning flush 5% of the time.

But not saying I hate the idea or anything.

[deech 2269]

1/2 pot bet and calls a 2.5 x checkraise makes me lean towards your opponent having a nut flush draw, a straight, 88, 77, 33, 66 or 44.  I wouldn't think 99 or 10-10, but it's possible he's getting sticky.  Your check raise would typically indicate at a minimum two pair or a good combo draw.  Tough to try to hold on in that situation with a naked overpair for two more streets - but he is in position. 

 

I may just jam here.  If he has 66 or 77 or the nut flush draw it would put immense pressure on him and he may fold despite being ahead.   Sure you lose the 1010 or 99 and get called by the straights, but you may also get the two pairs thinking you have a combo draw and are bluffing.  You still have some of your full house outs in that situation.

[dirtonia 269]

Had a whole damn months worth of bad beats and stupid shit happen at my weekly home game last night.

-3k, womp womp womp

[Lurch 5922]

I jam and he shows 66

Stupid game

[Bookman 4638]

I don't know how I would have played that. I probably would have bet the turn small to charge something for the flush draws.

 

[Lurch 5922]

Booked my WSoP trip for July 4-11.

Airfare has gone up quite a bit, now costing me $900 when I’ve paid $3-400 in the past. Got 4 “free” nights at Park MGM, but with resort fees and the other three paid nights, I’m looking at another $600 there versus $2-300 in the past.

Sorry guys, but I’m going to need to go ahead and take down the Main Event this year. Hope you’ll understand

[Lurch 5922]

$2/5, $800. Fourth hand of the session

Folds to CO who opens to $20. He’s a solid reg w about $1k. I call with QhQs looking to be sneaky with him. $40 pot

JdTd9d. I check, he makes it $35, I check raise to $125. He slow calls.

Qc. I check call $300.

As. I check, he jams. Your move?

[workswithseed 2087]

I decided to play at a 1/2 nl table. I was button with 44 with 250 effective. HJ raises it to $15, I call. Everyone else folds. 4c5c6s for the flop. He raises it to $20 I raise it to $40 he calls. Turn is a 7d. He raises it to $40 I reraise it to $80. He calls. River is a 4, and he goes all in, and I call. 

He had pocket 6s. 

I only had one out. Did I play to fast and lose and got lucky? I was thinking he was going for a straight and I was hoping for anything to pair.

[deech 2269]

4 hours ago, Lurch said:

$2/5, $800. Fourth hand of the session

Folds to CO who opens to $20. He’s a solid reg w about $1k. I call with QhQs looking to be sneaky with him. $40 pot

JdTd9d. I check, he makes it $35, I check raise to $125. He slow calls.

Qc. I check call $300.

As. I check, he jams. Your move?

Fold

[goatsaag 279]

5 hours ago, Lurch said:

As. I check, he jams. Your move?

Call and rebuy.

[dirtonia 269]

I dunno how to multiple quote on tapa, I feel so old…

RE: lurch’s question

First response is prolly the right play (fold), second response (call and rebuy) is what my donkey ass would do.

+1300 at 1/2 at Red Star last night

[dirtonia 269]

I’m the worst at hand history’s because I’m at minimum stoned and often add a few cocktails to the mix, with no note taking, etc…

But, first hand from last night:

1/2, just bought in for 3 hundo, open KJ off in middle position over one limp to 15, CO calls, everyone else folds, flop is:

9 10 Q rainbow

I lead for 15, CO raises to 50. Your move?

[Lurch 5922]

I’m the worst at hand history’s because I’m at minimum stoned and often add a few cocktails to the mix, with no note taking, etc…

But, first hand from last night:

1/2, just bought in for 3 hundo, open KJ off in middle position over one limp to 15, CO calls, everyone else folds, flop is:

9 10 Q rainbow

I lead for 15, CO raises to 50. Your move?

Reraise to $125, a number he must call with any legit hand. This allows you to comfortably jam turn with your remaining $160 into a $280 pot. He should call here a lot. If you just call flop hoping he hangs himself, it’s quite likely it goes check check on turn.

[Lurch 5922]

Fold

Yeah, fold and quit poker forever was considered. Instead I just folded and steamed for a bit.

[deech 2269]

1 hour ago, dirtonia said:

I’m the worst at hand history’s because I’m at minimum stoned and often add a few cocktails to the mix, with no note taking, etc…

But, first hand from last night:

1/2, just bought in for 3 hundo, open KJ off in middle position over one limp to 15, CO calls, everyone else folds, flop is:

9 10 Q rainbow

I lead for 15, CO raises to 50. Your move?

Flat

[deech 2269]

Just now, deech said:

Flat

Then donk lead 75

[dirtonia 269]

I like both those lines much better than mine. Still need to work on my donk lead game, I get too caught up in playing in flow….

I flatted with plans to check raise the turn, but like lurch pointed out, it went check check.

Lolol, turn was a J, and of course you know what it comes on the river…

[Lurch 5922]

It’s not clear to me the point of a flat/donk here

[dirtonia 269]

It’s not clear to me the point of a flat/donk here

For this specific example I much prefer your line of just three betting the flop.

Just more generally speaking, I need to mix in more leads.

Suppose the thinking on donking turn here is to avoid what happened, check check.

[Pig Bellmont 8712]

On 4/1/2022 at 11:43 PM, workswithseed said:

I decided to play at a 1/2 nl table. I was button with 44 with 250 effective. HJ raises it to $15, I call. Everyone else folds. 4c5c6s for the flop. He raises it to $20 I raise it to $40 he calls. Turn is a 7d. He raises it to $40 I reraise it to $80. He calls. River is a 4, and he goes all in, and I call. 

He had pocket 6s. 

I only had one out. Did I play to fast and lose and got lucky? I was thinking he was going for a straight and I was hoping for anything to pair.

You got lucky. When turn is a 7 and he bets, I would’ve folded

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Might be fun

[Lurch 5922]

Maybe all Sooners have this luck?

[Lurch 5922]

1:40:00 if link doesn’t take you there

[TXSooner518 2438]

LOL wowwww that is grooosssss.  C-bet into 4 players on AT3 flush draw with no equity seems really optimistic to me (but not as optimistic as flatting J8o UTG2), but good old getting there!  

[Lurch 5922]

Yeah it was pretty poor. I was still a bit steamed at losing with a flopped set to a straight on the river just a few hands before. I would not typically open so wide in UTG and knew right away I’d fucked up. Then when flop came I decided to cbet large and act like I had a big hand wanting to make the draws pay. I’m fine with my turn play and river was easy

[TXSooner518 2438]

We’ve all been there. Agree turn and river super easy/standard. Easy to say seeing cards and trying to not be results oriented but Boomer likely shoulda 3b pre. I don’t mind his flop flat since in that spot your thought is really no bad cards can turn.

[deech 2269]

46 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

We’ve all been there. Agree turn and river super easy/standard. Easy to say seeing cards and trying to not be results oriented but Boomer likely shoulda 3b pre. I don’t mind his flop flat since in that spot your thought is really no bad cards can turn.

Absolutely should have three bet pre.  That's the biggest mistake in the hand - not the UTG tilt play and then following through until luckbox.

[deech 2269]

 

This may qualify as the most ridiculous stream ever.  Garrett was too busy at Coachella.  This was nuts.

[TXSooner518 2438]

1 hour ago, deech said:

Absolutely should have three bet pre.  That's the biggest mistake in the hand - not the UTG tilt play and then following through until luckbox.

I'd say J8o flatting 8 bigs UTG+2 with 7 players yet to act is the worst, but yeah. 

[deech 2269]

14 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

I'd say J8o flatting 8 bigs UTG+2 with 7 players yet to act is the worst, but yeah. 

Lol.....Not wrong.  

[Bookman 4638]

Should Boomer ever be raising that flop or turn?

[TXSooner518 2438]

Should Boomer ever be raising that flop or turn?

Reasons to raise IMO would be if you think opponent has a worse ace (or worse draw) they will stack off with or if you think opp may fold AK. With shorter stacks I would raise flop and get it in if possible.

Here, I like his flop call. Stacks are too deep for like 98cc or AJ to just get it in (note this wouldn’t be the case if he 3b pre). He really doesn’t have any bad turn cards for his hand or action. No overs can come, he has the flush draw. Opps could have two paints for a gutter but that just means they have 3 good outs (which he still has equity if they hit) and 1 death out where they make straight with a club.

Turn jam would be to get Lurch to call AJ/A9 or fold AK which both seem fairly unlikely. So Boomer has like the exact hand where raising doesn’t work great. Obv if you’re against an opp who will never fold top pair and opens all the aces UTG, value jam for sure.

[Lurch 5922]

Should Boomer ever be raising that flop or turn?

Probably not on flop. Since he holds the Ac I’m not likely on a flush draw, so he’d just be getting weaker hands to fold.

[TXSooner518 2438]

Probably not on flop. Since he holds the Ac I’m not likely on a flush draw, so he’d just be getting weaker hands to fold.

Plus if you have QJcc, KJcc, KQcc, he’s still gonna be getting action on any turn anyway. If you have Q8cc instead of Q8hh (I know he has Qc but just as an example) you prob bet turn again yeah?

[Lurch 5922]

Plus if you have QJcc, KJcc, KQcc, he’s still gonna be getting action on any turn anyway. If you have Q8cc instead of Q8hh (I know he has Qc but just as an example) you prob bet turn again yeah?

Yep, I would be doing so to 1) show strength to get his weaker hands to fold and 2) to disguise my flush draw planning on getting paid by his strong hands if it hits.

[TXSooner518 2438]

Agree.  So he's gonna get action from any flush draw you have regardless of if he raises or flats flop. 

[weback512 0]

Hello!

I'm unsure if there is already a good post here that would have this information, but does anyone have a recommendation for a poker room in austin? (I live northwest and I'm considering the lucky poker club or the lodge in round rock) - I get the pricing sucks, but I don't have a group I know to play with (if any groups are potentially open to adding one more let me know!). If this is the wrong place for this post or if there is a better spot to put it please let me know.

 

Thanks

[TXSooner518 2438]

I really enjoy The Lodge, pricing is good, action is good, dealers are good.

[dirtonia 269]

Hello!
I'm unsure if there is already a good post here that would have this information, but does anyone have a recommendation for a poker room in austin? (I live northwest and I'm considering the lucky poker club or the lodge in round rock) - I get the pricing sucks, but I don't have a group I know to play with (if any groups are potentially open to adding one more let me know!). If this is the wrong place for this post or if there is a better spot to put it please let me know.
 
Thanks

The Lodge, 52 Social (hype finally building, higher stakes games and they have a restaurant and bar), TCH seems pretty meh these days, I’ve only been a few times since moving northish. Red Star Social is my current default because of location and I want the owner/room to do well. Shuffle 512 was my old hangout, but I’m lazy and moved, so haven’t been much since December.

Not sure I get the “pricing sucks” comment. Membership + time still is a much better deal to a player vs a drop/rake game.

[weback512 0]

8 minutes ago, dirtonia said:

The Lodge, 52 Social (hype finally building, higher stakes games and they have a restaurant and bar), TCH seems pretty meh these days, I’ve only been a few times since moving northish. Red Star Social is my current default because of location and I want the owner/room to do well. Shuffle 512 was my old hangout, but I’m lazy and moved, so haven’t been much since December.

Not sure I get the “pricing sucks” comment. Membership + time still is a much better deal to a player vs a drop/rake game.

Thank you for the recommendations! I've really only played with family/friends, so I haven't seen much of the pricing aspect. Getting into it I guess it's been a bit different than I expected, but if you're making a night out of it it doesn't seem too bad. I may check out 52 Social as that pricing seems pretty good. Anything I should know as a person new to poker clubs?

[dirtonia 269]

Thank you for the recommendations! I've really only played with family/friends, so I haven't seen much of the pricing aspect. Getting into it I guess it's been a bit different than I expected, but if you're making a night out of it it doesn't seem too bad. I may check out 52 Social as that pricing seems pretty good. Anything I should know as a person new to poker clubs?

Cool, not tryin to be an arse

Love to have new folks getting into the game! Just go have some fun bruh!

You’ll have to signup for a membership, but that is quick and easy process. The door folks at all the places I mentioned are great and will walk ya through the process. After you have your membership you’ll either add time then, or if at Lodge/TCH, you pay for the time when ya leave. You’ll then buy chips at the cage (just like a casino if you’ve played there).

Just pay attention to the action and posting blinds, don’t want to be that guy that is always holding up the flow of the game.

Other than that, play your game and have fun!

[Lurch 5922]

There should be an app where you plug in your position and hole cards for every hand, no other data/action. It then tells if you’re truly card dead, or just a flaming pussy.